Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

Vorkuta · Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:05 am

In post 1672, Baezu wrote:Can you please react to the fucking hammer?! This is the only thing we should be talking about until the thread is locked

NINJA'D DAMMIT
(was typing my post out AS he hammered- tablet posting can be hard

)

Vorkuta · Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:06 am

In post 1676, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, you’ve never played with town me past Day 1 before, have you? Haha.

I love this sentence because of the things associated with it

Vorkuta · Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:08 am

Ok....
Fus- Vork, Fus, Alch, Ausuka, FL (5), out of them Ausuka and FL CLAIMED to not know the state of the wagon.

Vorkuta · Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:10 am

Ausuka- want to uh.... give us your read before Dan gets back here?

Vorkuta · Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:12 am

In post 1624, Vorkuta wrote:In post 1620, RCEnigma wrote:
his push against fus that I don't think he's really explained enough to sway me

......
It's up to ME to EXPLAIN a scum!fus???
None of you can defend the guy- look at his post count/content/ISO/fluff.

A scum!FUS is MORE than capable of hiding under this troll persona and doing exactly what he's doing right now.
There's no guarantee or any incentive for him to "turn on" today or tomorrow with th way things are going right now.
This deserves ATTENTION.

In post 1646, Alchemist21 wrote:I think he had a point about nobody being able to justify not being on Fus though. Fus is kinda just skating by and if nothing else I think the slot does need pressure.

Vorkuta · Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:13 am

Yeah but I wanted it to be an informed/discussed decision and not... a random quickhammer?
Like what if FUS is a town!PR who's just trying to not attract any attention whatsoever?

Vorkuta · Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:14 am

In post 1689, Ausuka wrote:Vorkuta what precisely do you want me to talk about?

You claimed a 1-shot investigative result.
The day is over(?), and you might die before sharing that result.

Vorkuta · Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:17 am

In post 1566, Ausuka wrote:Baezu is town.

Oh, that's it?

and is it a hard "cop" town, or soft "tracker/vouyer/follower whatever" town?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:44 pm

VOTE: FL
I'm a simple person- I don't see the promised D3 IC flip, I don't believe a word he says, and I don't buy his "choose 2 out of 4" solve.
I have never played a game where it was ALLEGEDLY this 'easy and simple'.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:52 pm

In post 1776, Flavor Leaf wrote:I have effectively flipped green this game

*looks back at previous game where this was said*

Look- for all I know, it's entirely possible that scum!morality NK'd scum!HitAlt for gambitting or whathaveyou reasons.

N3+ vig? One-shot? Why tonight?

You understand that I am not satisfied with your explanations?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:56 pm

Plus I swear you had this planned out earlier.

-Vork agrees that Vedith is scum: "hmm feels like bussing- let's vote vork"
-Vork disagrees that Vedith is scum: "hmm is this a scum claim?"

You've already done the legwork to paint me dirty in D2, so why not? Free vork mislynch D3 = scum!FL's undefeated scum streak isn't broken.
Your D2 has consisted entirely of throwing shade at random people under the pretext of gambitting/solving, and a Fus hammer.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:01 pm

In post 1780, Flavor Leaf wrote:I was nearly town clearing you, Vork. I said Vedith was scum, and you and Vedith are exactly 1 scum.

Oh boy, scum!FL knows that town!vork is town and has blessed me with a clear.
Sure- that's ALL I need to blindly sheep the 100% reputable FL.

In post 1781, Flavor Leaf wrote:Vedith and I lost in a recent game.

sorry- didn't know

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:01 pm

In post 1784, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Vork - Why, as ScumPartners with Hit, do I kill there, and make this game twice as hard instead of just killing town and going into lylo can where I would just push you anyways.

So you can ask this very question and leave every single player here stumped.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:04 pm

In post 1783, Alchemist21 wrote:Wtf. Who votes anyone claiming a kill on scum?

Because I don't buy it? Because scum!FL could've set his alarm to end of N2 deadline JUST to take credit and force another vig to CC and expose themselves?
Because scum!FL killing scum!Hit?

In post 1783, Alchemist21 wrote:You never vote that unless it’s RadiantCowbells and the start of D2.

HMMMMMM

can someone explain?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:10 pm

In post 1787, Flavor Leaf wrote:Vorkuta...I don’t play anti wincon, and there’s 2 other players I’d have to worry about.

Is this an "outside my scum range" appeal?
WHAT 2 other players? By claiming the vig kill, you're unlynchable.

In post 1787, Flavor Leaf wrote:Unvote please. Let’s take time for this day. Wasn’t that what you were pushing Day 1?

Says the guy who "oopsie didn't see the self-vote" quickhammered D2.

Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1783, Alchemist21 wrote:Wtf. Who votes anyone claiming a kill on scum?

You never vote that unless it’s RadiantCowbells and the start of D2.
This changes things.

Oh ok then. "unvotes"
*oh look its scum!vork acknowledging his mistake and running away with his tail in between his legs*

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:16 pm

In post 1790, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t take out my partners without their permission

wait a minute. "PERMISSION"??
This can range from like "i'm bored of the game/ have IRL things to do, but I don't wanna replace out" blah blah blah.
I'm not going to speculate on the series of events that led to this.
For all I know FL was like "hey let's try this" and the others were "sure cool np"

In post 1790, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, that’s literally game throwing. Vorkuta

Mm. No- this is game-winning.
Game throwing is blindly sheeping scum!FL, master of all PR claims.

In post 1793, Flavor Leaf wrote:Its not an outside my scum range, it’s under my scum range. That’s just bad play.

So bad it makes it good no?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:20 pm

In post 1805, Flavor Leaf wrote:This means for that ploy, I’d have had to actively throw away a scummate, need an extra mislynch to win the game, and have to risk the other partner going down.

Idk FL might want to replace out of his other games so he can play on HARD MODE in this game for the bragging rights and future legends.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:22 pm

In post 1807, Flavor Leaf wrote:For you to believe I am scum, you HAVE to believe that happpened. There is zero other possibilities.

1/3- FL is telling the truth
1/3- scum!FL sat on the deadline timer and "first'd" with the vig claim
1/3- scum!FL kills scum!HitAlt

And seeing as FL EVER telling the truth is never an option...

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:34 pm

In post 1814, Alchemist21 wrote:There’s a rule against that.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply anything

In post 1815, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m trying to have a standout town year this year. I posted that in that last scum game on Morality in the PT

This must be true. I buy this. /s

In post 1818, Flavor Leaf wrote:Lol real vig does not stay quiet, Alchemist. This is why you’re probably the scum.

I was pretty damn sure I was going to be quiet in my vig game, but then I faithed in "not"scum!moarlity and outed myself.
Now I know what a more optimal play is.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:41 pm

In post 1821, Flavor Leaf wrote:ScumVorkuta actually has to push me in this situation, tbh.

TL;DR it's scum!vork

In post 1826, Flavor Leaf wrote:That team definitely knows my IC claim is crap.

..........................

Honestly- Like I'm going to ask about this in post game just to confirm, but honestly.
Guys- who here

except for yours truly the newbie

actually expected you to flip IC today?
Like truly, 'hand-on-my-heart' believed that this was going to be a thing?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:42 pm

In post 1827, Flavor Leaf wrote:Hit all brought up “2 scum team” into the conversation

But ausuka who brought it up is all 100% in the clear because reasons.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:46 pm

And I "brought it up" because I am a newbie who recently got screwed over by a 9-4 setup.
But TL;DR vork is still scum.

Like how is FL allowed to have ALL THE THINGS HE WANTS and BOTH WAYS?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:56 pm

In post 1835, Flavor Leaf wrote:You think i’m Scum with Alchemist? I’ve been going at it with him all game

Scum theater- appropriate considering the theme of the game.

In post 1835, Flavor Leaf wrote:RCE? I lock scum’d him yesterday

Scum theater- appropriate considering the theme of the game.

In post 1835, Flavor Leaf wrote:Vedith? I guess I don’t have a defense for that one

I'm sold- Vedith is town.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:01 pm

In post 1844, Vorkuta wrote:In post 1835, Flavor Leaf wrote:
RCE? I lock scum’d him yesterday

Scum theater- appropriate considering the theme of the game.

Great "town tell" discussion you have going on right there.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:03 pm

In post 1852, Flavor Leaf wrote:This is points against Vorkuta-Alchemist ever being partners.

You forgot the fus wagon

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:07 pm

Can someone TL;DR remind me why Ausuka and Baezu are conf!town, and that literally no one is considering theater in there?
I remember Ausuka is a 1-shot town investig and cleared Baezu. Anything else/followup?

I say this

because scum!Vork wants to open up the lynchpool

because I've been in a game where a scum!PTcop cleared a townie D1, cleared fellow scum D2, and it didn't matter what happened D3.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:10 pm

In post 1854, RCEnigma wrote:Dude he shot hit, if he didn't the vig shoots him anyways, no matter what we end up with a scum down tomorrow.

I've been the vig in a position where I could've shot notlying!Morality.
To be blunt- I probably "would not have shot him" again.

Our """clear""" for FL has always been the same: "he resolves himself LATER, and he's being an asset to us NOW".
I do not let this stand anymore.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:12 pm

In post 1712, Flavor Leaf wrote:Mass claim time.

Vedith and Alchemist first.

RCE and Vorkuta next.

Baezu.

Then Ausuka.

*Looks at deadline*
Not claiming shit

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:14 pm

In post 1863, Alchemist21 wrote:Well both Doc claims are claiming the save on Ausuka.

Aaaand? Both Doc claims fell for the scum!theater?

Also PURELY SETUPWISE- can both doc claims be valid?
Like "one-shot" or "JOAT" or whatever?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:16 pm

In post 1866, Flavor Leaf wrote:It’s ScumAlch/Vedith losing hope then slowly regaining it with a wtf lol tunnel

It's scumFL with another partner making us dance under his flute.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:21 pm

In post 1870, Flavor Leaf wrote:If I’m lying, I die from the real Vig tonight

Ofc you do.

Ok- we've established that this game has "shots" with Ausuka claiming a 1-shot inv, and HitAlt flipping 2-shot doc, yet S_S was a "full vig"
Given 2 doc claims, the "finite" number of vig!shots remaining, and all that, scum!FL has no problem saying this BS.

And yet again- it's an "I resolve tomorrow, I promise you 100%" appeal.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:23 pm

In post 1871, RCEnigma wrote:Vorkuta you're flailing or throwing. Idk which but...this is bad as either alignment.

Or I'm working MY magic here.

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:23 pm

How is ANY of what I've said invalid?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:42 pm

In post 1712, Flavor Leaf wrote:Vedith and Alchemist first.

RCE and Vorkuta next.

It's not a flat out refusal to claim

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:16 pm

FL is vig hunting.
He took credit for the vig kill today so he's trying to get the ML via counter claim.
Town loses if the vig dies tonight, and he's trying to get it via mislynch as opposed to an NK, which requires the doctor lynch.

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:38 pm

In post 1995, Ausuka wrote:Also lol Vorkuta logged on at 5pm apparently.

Physically impossible as I didn't have internet connection then

IRL stuff sorry

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:49 pm

I'm pretty sure I've made my position on FL clear with #1812

I'm actually not sure which option (scum!FL kills scum!Hit OR town!vig kills scum!Hit and scum!FL fake claims) I think is more likely.
If I get a few people explicitly telling me to claim then I'll do it, but I don't think claiming will necessarily be pro-town today.

FL has literally gone through every plausible scum pairing

that doesn't include himself OFC

, trying to shovel dirt/

excrement

in every direction trying to find what sticks/what doesn't under the guise of "solving" or "being a late game powerhouse" or what have you.
This does not stand.

Vote unchanged and still on FL.

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:00 pm

In post 2057, Flavor Leaf wrote:if you are town, you are just wrong and refusing to look over it, and as town, that will account for one of the reasons we lose this game

I'm sold. I'll sheep you FL. Win

us

town

the game. /s

I remember when my attitude towards FL was "meh I'll just pray he's town because if he isn't then we lost".
No.

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:18 pm

In post 2069, Baezu wrote:Who were we protected by? Who did scum try to kill?

IF IF IF it's actually town!FL (no) THEN we have doc claims.
This would point to scum!anyone targetting Ausuka, Ausuka saved by doc, and vig!FL shooting Hitalt.

In post 1727, Alchemist21 wrote:COUNTERCLAIM

I am a 2-shot Doc.

N1 I was on Vedith.
N2 I was on Ausuka.

In post 1729, RCEnigma wrote:Well my save was Ausuka so Ausuka and Baezu confirmed regardless.

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:21 pm

In post 2070, Flavor Leaf wrote:I am LITERALLY confirmed town.

I went back to another game just to find this quote.

In post 539, Morality wrote:I should be MothafuckingconftownBoon at this point.

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:25 pm

In post 2076, Flavor Leaf wrote:but Vorkuta started to be surface level town

How the fuck is me unraveling this scum!FL jig/masterplan operation a """surface level town""" play???
Wow. Discredit me more.

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:29 pm

In post 2065, Flavor Leaf wrote:Don’t take my word. YOU do the work.

I did the work. I literally brought this up before Vedith even checked in at the beginning of the day!
My case has only strengthened with YOUR "flailing".

In post 2065, Flavor Leaf wrote:because you’re flat out wrong and Vedith is abusing your poor play

"Hey vorkie- I know you kinda don't like me, but let's compromise with your like #no. 1/2 town read. What do you say? Pretty please?"

In post 2065, Flavor Leaf wrote:Well, that’s your own fault too. Just because you were fooled once doesn’t mean i’m Scum here.

I am NOT losing ANYMORE GAMES where I believe in a scum!FL.
I don't care if I lose this game due to me being overly paranoid of a town!FL.

That's the way I learn/improve as a player.

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:30 pm

In post 2081, Flavor Leaf wrote:Vorkuta...

Trust

In

Me.

Is there a single "checks and balances" system that can even apply to you?
The only thing I'll trust from you is your green flip.

Vorkuta · Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:50 pm

In post 2084, Flavor Leaf wrote:BECAUSE I’M TOWN!!!

In post 2061, Vorkuta wrote:I'm sold. I'll sheep you FL. Win us town the game. /s

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In post 2084, Flavor Leaf wrote:You can straight face 100% say that I, as scum, chose to shoot my partner, not go to Lylo today, all for the chance I’d just live?

OR- you're vig/doctor fishing.
I still haven't decided which one of the events I like more.
EITHER
scum!FL realizes that there are no vigs anymore and shoots scum!HITALT so he hopes that this ^^^^^ exchange """conf!towns" him (60%)
OR
scum!FL realizes that there's a vig remaining once scumbuddy!HitAlts dies and is baiting the CC out. (40%)
This is also why I'm not claiming yet.

In post 2084, Flavor Leaf wrote:Are you willing to look incredibly dumb post game if you are town when you realize you just let the fear of my potential scum game take over you completely that you think I’d actively throw a game winning perfect victory away?

What is this even?

In post 2087, Flavor Leaf wrote:it incredibly easy for me to win the next time I roll scum against you.

Are you trying to intimidate/SCARE me?
Also no- I will learn from the mistakes I make this game.

Hopefully

Vorkuta · Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:29 am

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:31 am

In post 2348, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m fucking with y’all.

I killed my own partner

*tears trickling down face*
Great game guys!
Thanks for making my first scum experience a memorable one!

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:37 am

In post 2365, Alchemist21 wrote:Seriously read the scum PT.

Can confirm- is fun read with me trying to not be bad

Goddamit. I can't people "I only roll town" any more....

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:55 am

@RCE- why no night action N3?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:07 am

In post 2371, Flavor Leaf wrote:Deadass said I killed my own partner

This got me every time.
Why and how did anyone even take this seriously?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:09 am

Yeah but it was suboptimal.... like how does this player roster even ENTERTAIN the idea at all? Is the FL paranoia that strong?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am

Maybe in his morality account lawl.
Yeah I was trying hard to push that forward.

I thought we could then settle down and get people to accept that FL was fakeclaiming vig while the real vig shot HitAlt buuuuuuutttt apparently scum!FL shooting scum!Hit was more """plausible""" like..?

Anyway- if anyone has advice/tips/comments on newb!scum, I'd love to learn a thing or two!

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am

In post 2378, Ausuka wrote:it's something scum players have proven they have done, s

So the next game

as town

I should be OPEN/CONSIDER that idea? Wow.... I'm actually slightly speechless

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:17 am

Why is scum NK'ing scum even allowed???

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:24 am

How popular is like... scum fakeclaiming a guilty on scum?

asking for a friend

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:31 am

I don't see a future where I would've convincingly claimed any PR.
I only have experience with one so I have no idea what I'd've... "done" as an actual cop

But yeah- purely for the sake of speculation- ASSUMING I could've pulled it off, would D3 have been different?

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:36 am

In post 2396, Vedith wrote:Shit like that is just too scummy to be scum I swear

I got close!
But then hard guilty

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:10 pm

Waaah what did I do wrong?

Yeah this townblock was ridiculous.
Plus I've never played with a town FL before

past D1

so I had literally no idea what to expect from any of you.

I'm butthurt about you lynching me WITHOUT giving me a chance to explain myself

IRL stuff

, but I probably realize that there was damn near nothing I could fakeclaim/gambit/argue/do to have avoided the D3 lynch. Just kinda sad to go down like this

Vorkuta · Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:25 pm

I mean then the next best thing would be to somehow "play" in a way that does not warrant an investigation from the Ausuka.
@Ausuka- WHY ME????
And wtf even is this line- it threw me way off and I "KNEW" (check scum PT) that you had more than one shot

In post 1905, Ausuka wrote:even if it is VT like I'd expect