Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Vedith]

So in your mind Vedith, it’s one of the doc claims and FL?

Which doc claim?

Alch.
I already explained why RCE is the town of the docs.
It balances out SS.

At no point should anyone disbelieve either doc claims if they believe 2 vig claims.
Although at no point should anyone believe FL.

[Vedith]

I do agree, however, that FL introduces a lot of obfuscation to the game

I’m confirmed town.

Oh yeah? I'm confirming you scum.

[Vedith]

*FL claims vig*
*Vedith claims goon scum*
*FL claims a slip because it would say Vanilla*

Do you see what I see? \o/
Let's just watch FL panic here with me

[Vedith]

No.

[Vedith]

If you believe we have 2 vigs we have docs.
You can't have it just as half and still be satisfied with the setup

[Vedith]

Actually that's weird to ask me. Me, you, and alchemist can't all be town.

[Vedith]

FL is just saying now he's confirmed.
The only confirmation we have is that scum can kill scum.

FL has no leg to stand on here. There is confirmed scum in me or him.
And the fact he calls me scum knowing I only accept my lynch as town here proves it even more that he's scum.

Let's make a better tomorrow, today.
\o/

[Vedith]

I know you do anything to win as scum.
And anyone who has played with you should know this too.

Even normally it would be more understandable.
But without that kill you were lynched today 100% of the time. So killing a team mate is basically the only positive play in your opinion since we both know you believe you are the better scum player here out of everyone (feel free to tell me I'm wrong on that fact).
So why would you sacrifice yourself here over HitAlt who was only town read by me?

[Vedith]

Naaaaah

[Vedith]

Just like I wouldn't promote myself to be lynched and put myself into a 1v1 outside of LyLo, but yet I'm still scum?

Come on FL you can do better than that

Spoiler:

In before me and FL are scum and we're securing an easy win.

[Vedith]

But it's something I never do as scum.
If I'm scum both doc claims are always real.

See how the "Never" part is useless right now for us both.

On other news lynch FL. He's scum and after we lynch him we can salute him for trying so hard bless him. \o/

[Vedith]

Because if I was scum FL would be town and that would mean 2 vigs.
With macho, that would also mean 2 town docs.

At worst case I'd push that Alch can't be the solo town mafia because your role prevents 2 scum from being protected.
Alchs doesn't.

[Vedith]

Ding-dong, the wicked FL is dead
Wake up, you sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed
Wake up, the wicked FL is dead!

[Vedith]

I don’t attempt to AtE you as scum, either.

[Vedith]

FL is never town.

[Vedith]

Take a moment and sit there to think.
-Why does FL think there is a doc night 2?
-Why does FL claim day 3 IC?
-Why does FL make that claim instead of just shooting night 1 and claim day 2 IC?
-Why is the IC not killed
-Why is there no night kill other than FLs
-Why does FL

Never

vote HitAlt although a "scum read" and a worthy night kill?
-Why is HitAlt never just scum, instead either or otherwise not on the scum list.

Take a look at these posts. Is this really someone who shoots HitAlt over RCE?

1476
1481
1488
1519
1529
1533
1536
1589
1604
1609
1663

I'm phone posting so I'm not going to explain each post, but look at each of those posts from day 2 and explain how FL gets to where he is with that opinion.

[Vedith]

But if you knew there was a scum doc as you are saying you wouldn't be 100% confident in killing scum to the degree you get lynched.
You are contradicting yourself with that one.

I want everyone not FL to read my post and if you think FL is town I want you to answer and explain every question.
I get the player list is lacking proper experience here, but it's not hard to work this out.

[Vedith]

I’m not killed because scumwanted to mislynch me. Still do. They didn’t believe y IC claim, which is why I said earlier claiming IC helps me not get night killed.

Why don't scum believe IC claim?
Why don't scum think you're PR here regardless?
Why do scum leave you alive when you apparently name all the scum team.

Hmmmmmmmm
So many in answered questions.

[Vedith]

Also I came into this day phase saying it’s Alchemist/Vedith, and I spent all night phase going over all possible scum pairings.

That’s the epitome of my town game, and you know it.

I don’t flip flop when I’m scum like this

We shouldn't talk about what we know about each others town game.
You will get burnt a lot quicker there.

Meta wise you know this is exactly how town me plays
You have plenty of experience with scum me to know I do not force the 1 v 1s in any case.
I also avoid town reads fully on scum buddies.
I have never put myself as a worthy lynch for lack of reason.

Last game proved this when I had a guilty on me and I didn't not call L8 out and instead played it away from the 1 v 1.
Every game I do a 1 v 1 I am always town, FL has seen this plenty of times.

FL knows exactly how I play and he knows that I'm the only person here with enough experience and game setup play to call him out.

You said last game you don't flip flop like this as scum. You were scum.
So you do flip flops as scum.

[Vedith]

I flip flop a lot as town, and I’m ultra consistent as scum.

Only another town case.

I’m also feeling like you’re scum, so I’m playing in a way to beat you in this 1v1, and trying to figure out your partner.

You are just hiding behind mechanics and relying on it to do the work for you while you discredit.

[Vedith]

Alch is just confirmed FL scum buddy here.
Lynch both and take the free win town.

[Vedith]

I flip flop a lot as town, and I’m ultra consistent as scum.

Only another town case.

I’m also feeling like you’re scum, so I’m playing in a way to beat you in this 1v1, and trying to figure out your partner.

You are just hiding behind mechanics and relying on it to do the work for you while you discredit.

This was from the scum game btw.
FL uses the excuse of not flip flopping as scum, when he's scum.
Probably as town too, I'm pretty sure last town game he also said it, but here's proof he does it as scum.

[Vedith]

Fl why exactly did you shoot Hit?

[Vedith]

The problem that I have with FLs playstyle like I’ve already said is that it causes a lot of confusion- murks up the water, makes it hard to see things clearly...and I don’t think this playstyle is helpful to town.

Ok, let’s say we lynch FL and he’s town, can town still win?

No.
But he's not town here.

I've handed you all a free win.

[Vedith]

He made a bad kill on Town as scum, therefore he would kill his partner as scum? That makes no sense.

Alch really needs to defend his scum buddy here.
I almost feel bad as I bet their PT was cheering when day started :<

[Vedith]

Can you guys Sheep my reads completely if I agree to go down today and give me a “damn, good shirt Flavor” post game?

Sure.

[Vedith]

Now FL is agreed to his lynch we get that win.

Vork can come in and say whatever people need him to then we win.

[Vedith]

Ok I’ll wait for vork to claim, then I’m going to place my vote

I’ll join on me.

You lynch Vedith-Alchemist in that order.

Got it, Ausuka?

I will flip town. I am correct. That is why I am being targeted.

I am heavily judging majority of your play right now, but still

You lynch me, and on a Green flip, you SHEEP what I said.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

Do you understand me, Vorkuta, Baezu?

No exceptions.

You Sheep my reads.

You lynch Vedith.

Then you lynch Alchemist.

No matter what.

Perfect plan. \o/

[Vedith]

I'm glad we all see eye to eye here.

[Vedith]

Can you guys Sheep my reads completely if I agree to go down today and give me a “damn, good shirt Flavor” post game?

Damn, good shit.

Damn it! I had already called the shirt company to get a shirt made

You can get that changed to Vedith was right.

[Vedith]

And you're red flip shows that I'm just the best. \o/

[Vedith]

And you're red flip shows that I'm just the best. \o/

This literally is a pointless post, and I’m not posting any of this for you. I’m posting it for the rest of the townies.

What kind of post do I need? I won this for town already.

[Vedith]

Day 3 comes "I was.claiming IC to survive because town need me"

I moved instantly.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vork

I'm pretty sure that FL is talking bollocks here regardless of align.
No matter what lynch FL day 3, or if FL doesn't lynch Vork.

But we are not no lynching.

Meant this quote too

[Vedith]

If you really think I’m scum here I don’t know what to tell you.

Then we can count on your vote \o/

[Vedith]

I’m already voting scum.

Cute

[Vedith]

Scum theatre, someone get me the popcorn! \o/

[Vedith]

Scum team becoming friends again, its beautiful \o/

[Vedith]

"Vedith is distancing from Alch" *FL distances from Alch*

[Vedith]

Vedith \o/

[Vedith]

I can see Slaxx in the dead PT now
"Vedith!
Vedith!
Vedith!"

"Hes so smart and strong"

"Hes great wooooow"

[Vedith]

You haven’t really even done anything...

After game I want you to tell me I'm great and throw your arms in the air \o/

[Vedith]

That’s what i did to RCow in that Morality game essentially.

On day 1. Then RC replaced out to not be able to push it.
Relevance means nothing with this.

[Vedith]

Great now FL can be lynched \o/

[Vedith]

FL - "I'll lynch myself"
Also FL - "Lynch here"

[Vedith]

No we're fine if they think you're town now. Just let them coast you and play it off to end game.

[Vedith]

No we're fine if they think you're town now. Just let them coast you and play it off to end game.

That's something that FL thinks anyway.
So FL shoots me tonight. If he doesn't or if only 1 kill we lynch him tomorrow no ifs and buts.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vork

[Vedith]

Just need a hammer and that's set.

[Vedith]

Remember if FL doesn't deliver or theres funny enough only 1 kill then FL is the lynch to be.

Don't forget.

[Vedith]

Me

[Vedith]

I would never \o/

[Vedith]

Only 4 to Lynch, he's hammered.

8 alive? 5 to lynch.

[Vedith]

I thought you were shooting me tonight FL?

[Vedith]

Last night

[Vedith]

Before I post what I'm going to, I need FL to explain if he is claiming 1 shot or that he was blocked.

[Vedith]

Actually don't answer

[Vedith]

So originally the only way FL could have been scum is with a doctor.
But having a total of 3 doctors to 1 scum and 1 vig who is macho doesn't add up.

Neither does having 2 vigs and mafia while only having 1 town doctor. Even if it was only RCE telling the truth, we have a doctor who can only save town except a vig, while scum can co ordinate the protect accordingly.

We currently have
FL - Vig
RCE - Loyal doctor
Alch - 2 shot doctor
Ausuka - Vanilla cop

If you think this adds up to town, then sure lets move on to the next game, take it at a loss, because tomorrow you don't work it out either.
I should basically be confirmed town here for the kill alone.

At worst case that Alch is scum, he can't kill RCE last night or he's always the kill tonight. Now FL is always the kill tonight instead, leaving 2 doctors to play it off by.
However, my solve is pointing to Ausuka as scum. This game doesn't benefit town with a Vanilla or not. The only thing that makes me hesitant and thinking Alch over Ausuka is the fact of the claim. Maybe because it was forced and encase I wasn't VT, they couldn't just push me as it, also Baezu as VT either given the stance they already took.

Vanilla or not benefits scum here more than town. That's just a fact.
Ausuka > Alch > Win

3 scum with 2 shot doc, goon, and whatever you think I am doesn't match to 4 VT, 2 docs (1 loyal) vanilla check cop and

2

Vigs (1 Macho).

You are welcome.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Ausuka

[Vedith]

That's the only thing that confuses me.
But by setup law, I am to trust that more. \o/

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Ausuka

I don't even know.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Lynch Alch tomorrow

[Vedith]

RCE doesn't flip scum ever.
FL scum makes no sense.

Ausuka role wise makes sense but play wise is town.

Alch is the optimal lynch

[Vedith]

Start explaining now why Ausuka is the better lynch tomorrow if I were you.

[Vedith]

Because it's something that FL would do.
All game he was saying "I don't do this as scum" about shit when he literally said and did it last scum game.
If FL was scum and was guaranteed the lynch this play would have happened.

And let's not forget that FL shot HitAlt as doc because HitAlt was scum protecting me as scum.
It was a lucky accident where he read the wrong connections in the right spots.

Thanks for modding Dann.

[Vedith]

If it's tactically beneficial to scum over not doing it then there's no reason not to.
It's no different to lynching or claiming a result on a scum buddy.

Both are down for the town credit, both result is scum dying.

[Vedith]

Its situational. Not overly common
But it's happened enough to be a known thing.

[Vedith]

Would have been funny if Vork also claimed doc

[Vedith]

I would have believed that doc claim as the 4th doc.

[Vedith]

Would have been funny if Vork also claimed doc

Were you in that game where we had 5 Millers?

Yeah I replaced in and got lynched as scum lol.
Shit like that is just too scummy to be scum I swear

[Vedith]

Would have been funny if Vork also claimed doc

Simple Doctor? A doctor that can only target Vanilla players.

Or an informed n3 + n4 doctor

I think only on Vanilla would pull at my strings.
This is why I like to go to Doc of some sort as a fake claim. It's hard to prove wrong and you can play around with alterations.

[Vedith]

I'm surprised that majority accepted 2 vigs but wouldn't believe 2 docs with it.