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no

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miller loyal cop makes sense because it prevents the two townblocks from confirming each other

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loyal neighbourizre

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guys

how dumb do you think that fumuki is

be honest

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The best mechanical play has been to lynch the guy looking for a path to victory yeah

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I think fumuki has legit scum equity and I don't see why everyone else sees it as a policy lynch

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He should target davesaz and you should target tmck rui

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But like

He's still probably scum

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Look

I don't think fumuki has this much difficulty helping us into autowin as town

He keeps looking for an excuse to either he locktowned or to make a suboptimal set of night actions as a group to play around his faked rage

I think he's looking for an out and we need to not give it it to him

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Why should we burn an action clearing you if you're going to be cleared from your night action anyway

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It's really simple

He keeps advocating for scum motivated plays

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He keeps looking for an excuse to either he locktowned or to make a suboptimal set of night actions as a group to play around his faked rage

I think he's looking for an out and we need to not give it it to him

I mean he'd look to be cleared as both alignments here.

But if he shoots he clears himself

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This really isn't that complicated

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In case I get a guilty and don`t, since you`ll want to lynch me if I get a guilty

Will it affect your chances of winning the game if you get a guilty?

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Why would fumuki ever be the fucking nightkill

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Why is it not a good look lol

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If scum have a roleblocker why kill axehole instead of.vigging him

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If scum have a roleblocker why kill axehole instead of.vigging him

If scum don't have a roleblocker, I believe the cop claim is fake

Then you don't know balance.

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I think fumuki is scum

I don't like how I'm unique in that viewpoint

I think we lose to fumuki a lot more than anyone else

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Stop ruirui

Pls

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If the cop is not town this game is unplayable scumsided

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Try fumuki

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You target tmck

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But fumuki isn't?

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Fumuki: openly playing ultra proscum and trying to derail town coordination and calls innoed town scum and says the cop was MAKING UP A FUCKING REPORT
RuiRui: everything is fine
Tmck: expressed that maybe not everyone is town
RuiRui: this must be the scum

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I feel like we're still going to lose this to fumuki

Because you guys refuse to scumread him

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He has been openly pushing wolf win condition all game and you're all just like yep everything is fine

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No

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I don't trust this game to lynch fumuki if he claims a guilty on you

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What then if I holster tonight, RuiRui checks me?

We don`t risk losing anyone, and Rui and Jingle can testify that as long as RuiRui is town, I`m town.

and If she ever gets a `guilty` on me, we lynch myself first and when I flip town, lynches her.

This was always correct

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VOTE: inferno390

Leggo I guess

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no, tmck. no.

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I was the one who said vorkuta wasn't happening. you weren't happening. his literal options were to bus or be off the wagon.

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@Jingle make everyone lynch him if he does that.

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if you're town the funniest part about it is when you get banned for making an action that is clearly not to your win condition

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Nero Cain fumuki if town has threatened several times to play against his win condition: given that it's against the rules to even pretend to play against wincondition i think he should be force replaced regardless of alignment.

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eh i take that back allowing the design space for scum to threaten to gamethrow is part of the game. i guess it does have to wait for postgame. but if he's town he should be banned for his play this game.

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gif jingle

if either of you alive don't force a lynch on him if he makes this play i'm never playing with or talking to you again. i fucking told you that this shit would happen.

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NC if he's town you should really just modkill him at night. it's super super clear that he is never playing to his wincondition in this gamestate.
if he submitted that action he would clearly not be playing to his win condition and should be modkilled for it.

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if you're town, have fun never joining another game on ever again when any time you do I pm the game mods and explain to them exactly what you did in this game.

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and that doesn't require anything past this point. you've already repeatedly threatened to gamethrow, you've already repeatedly threatened to make horribly night actions out of spite.
i'm actually kinda hoping you're town now because that means i'm getting this worked up for something real.

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no. you already said that you were killing me out of spite. it's never optimal to kill me or vork, ever. you can't throw a bunch of bullshit speculation and get away from this one if you're town.

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you can literally just stop talking. you can't just pretend to retcon the fact that you're threatening to grudge shoot me in twilight. have fun with your non-MS mafia career.

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you can literally just stop talking. you can't just pretend to retcon the fact that you're threatening to grudge shoot me in twilight. have fun with your non-MS mafia career.

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stop trying to bullshit a vastly superior bullshitter.

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just make sure whatever vicarious pleasure you get out of vigging me is worth the consequences.

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there's literally no purpose in treating you as scum because if you're scum it's self resolving.

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like if you're scum you're just provoking me to be an asshole for no reason and you deserve the shit you're getting from me but at least you're not gamethrowing.

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no one in the universe is convinced by your attempt to portray yourself as the reasonable one.

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its not gamethrowing to forfeit in an unwinnable situation so feel free to do that if you're scum and give up.

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eh

i thought ruirui was never scum

i would have fought you on that

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didn't think it was.

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it's probably random

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if you're scum it's not gamethrowing to out when you feel you're screwed.

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ok

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if you're scum no

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do i get to count this as +1 town lynch +3 scum lynches?

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rip gif

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i guess it's technically obligatory to wait for ruirui to claim whether her TMCK was a success

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or, uh. anyone in the hood.

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VOTE: Fumuki

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see

just b/c i mislynched d1 doesn't mean im bad at mafia ok

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no

we're in mechanical autowin even if fumuki's scumclaim was fake

me/vorkuta/tmck/jingle are all confirmed town.

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we lynch ruirui tomorrow if this is town and if she's town it confirms davesaz as scum

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she was obvtown without the hood

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it is very difficult to convince me to not lynch a miller claim with a flipped ascetic bulletproof and a known cop but she managed it, so, definitely deserves an accolade for that

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it occurs to me this game was balanced on the presumption that the rolecop would target the miller night 1 and they'd only get one result

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maybe

it's a lot less aid swith the loyal vig being fake

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DO IT

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ok

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lets talk about this game

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VOTE: milkcartonkid

We meet again.

egix greeted TMCK and flipped town: this probably means nothing for TMCK's alignment.

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VOTE: nsg

no me

RC voted NSG in the early game even though if she's scum it'll probably be really obvious later. this is scummy.

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VOTE: RC because its 6 am

good vote, has high equity of having been on scum. possibly more likely to be scum just because s-s votes in rvs are common?

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Not an axehole, huh?

*throws down the gauntlet*

VOTE: Axehole

hmm. this is aggressive in a scummy way. it also doesn't really go anywhere in a way that's hard to explain. might be scum.

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i'm going to continue my catchup until vorkuta hammers

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Hi guys, I'm a miller

this is probably scum. why would nero cain give ruirui a miller role. that's, like, bullying or something.

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Hi guys, I'm a miller

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doesn't post the gif. lazy. town are often lazy. this is town.

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VOTE: NotAnAxehole

Get him guys!

why would town ever selfvote? this is clearly scum.

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RC- you can't do this for ~3000 posts.... can you?

do you want to find out?

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Hi again to RC, Chennis, and Dave, and hey to the rest of you.

Hi guys, I'm a miller

No.
VOTE: RuiRui

good vote. i agree with the principle here. i think that policy lynching ruirui's miller claim in this situation is acceptable

policy lynching ruirui is always acceptable, it's nothing to do with the miller claim obviously

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ok

i won't continue unless you hammer

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they literally claimed scum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i'll only continue if you hammer in the next 3 minutes

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1 minute left

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he

literally

claimed

scum.....

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it's autowin if he's town anyway

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VOTE: Davesaz

Hello peoples

"hi guys" tell: we should lynch this

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JP?

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Hello!

VOTE: Skellen]

hi guys tell again, except this one feels a little more charismatic and maybe town?

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VOTE: John Pierce Gantt
Charts are my nemesis.

scum wouldn't make enemies: this is town.

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VOTE: John pierce gant

My love for Dave usually results in a negative outcome but oh well. The heart wants what the hear wants.

hmm maybe this is a soft

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Going to say now that the early miller claim bothers me. Does a miller normally claim before a cop finds them?

wow this is scum

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fking rekt

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oof

ruirui spent the whole game shit talking me
tchill spent the whole game shit talking me

but i'm the reason we didn't mislynch vork d2, i'm the reason we ended up lynching inferno d3, and i'm the only one who confidently scumread fumuki d3 as well

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also i was the only one who scumread skellen d1, the inferno lead which i mostly gave up on because of the replace out, etc. classic.

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and uh if you decide to troll me and play in the most mutually defensive manner possible instead of taking my concerns about your slots being SvS seriously and then shit talk me for misreading you that's on you.

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this was like 55-60% townsided for sure. but i don't think town needed the mechanical clears to win. buki was obvscum and the other scum was only ever in davesaz/jingle/inferno. i think town would have won if ruirui was just a vt.

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jpg being cleared by role was important but neither me nor vork should have ever been getting lynched after d2 and after we lynch buki

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i'm really interested in explanations for the townreads on skellen/buki because i thought both players were ungodly scummy and yet everyone was hard defending them.

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i think it's a lot less townsided than it appears to be but still townsided. definitely within standal normal range

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that would be way scumsided.

roleblocker/goon/goon would be fine ish

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the problem is that this setup has a lot of situations where town just gets fucked over. it's swingy but there's a lot of ways for town's apparent power to work against itself.

i just don't like the setup in general, and it would be hard to say scum really deserves more power as opposed to the setup being better off just changing

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he literally claimed scum...

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The game was within the 40-60 current NRG sop so

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You replaced a slot I was already scumreading in coalition and called me scum when literally no one else in that game, including NSG who knew who I was, thought I was scum.

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I correctly townread you every other game you were town besides that one.

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After Chenn flip we were lynching Vork and killing you

Well you didn't. Shoulda killed me N1

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Wait you mean after killing egix? You can't lynch vork there lol

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I always read everyone correctly sheep me

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Also I had you as scum in the marathon

I just didn't have the energy to push my reads with everyone scumreading me for dumb af reasons

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A guaranteed win if you roll scum against me

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You don't respect me and because you don't respect me I would make mincemeat of you in any TvS situation.

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No the push was real

I lied a ton about it but the real answer is that I thought he wouldn't rage rep out as scum. I know better now

never lie. I also would have never been lynched IF the style wasn't "OMG RC is a GOD we must listen"

Funny because that attitude is why I was able to derail Vorkuta and Davesaz mislynches and we killed scum instead.

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The answer is take my concerns about you/axehole scum on scum seriously and work with me instead of threatening to blacklist people who don't lynch me the next day.

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I mean. You trust the results not the means of getting to them.

Also like I said I believed the scumread at the timr

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But I'd totally fake it as town anyway

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Reaction testing is a thing and it has been around in mafiascum since at least 2013.

I think the lesson here is that it doesn't always work, his reaction testing diverted him from a scum player onto 2 townies . It's hard to say that it's a good play based on the results.

Either it was a bad read, poorly executed tactic or a bad tactic altogether.

I only detailed because I thought scum him wouldn't rep out

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is town's winrate so low?

Just because you win all your town games doesn't mean everyone does, gosh

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it's funny that people are blaming a really strong town player for bad town play

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the opposite is true. i'm unstoppable on alts because i'm not held to weird double standards. i'm plenty persuasive without relying on name recognition.

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That’s because it was bad Town play and you are not a strong Town player.
Town won this game despite you, RC, even if you managed to manipulate lynches in our favor.
You want proof?

VOTE: tchill13

I townread inferno btw

Think this read as scum with his hands in the cookie jar

Think davesaz immediate concern about me bussing may be town

Believe it or not

His reaction if he were scum would be a lot scummier

I fricked you D1. Your solo gambit not only failed, it failed brilliantly.
If this isn’t an indication of how poor this playstyle is, then I don’t know what to say.

no

you tactically replaced out cuz you were getting scumread and i fell for it

that's the actuality of why i stopped scumreading you.

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you realize i very very rarely gambit compared to the past because i'm trying to be conscientious of how my play impacts other people, right?

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it's a card you can only play once. gl surviving past the first 10 pages if you roll scum against me again.

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i just don't like to present tactical replacing as a reason for reads in the current era of tactical replacing being common.

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if you really think that you fooled me check out what happens next time you roll scum against me.

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i'm just trying to win my games m8

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sure, let's call it that

You're gonna autolynch me every game because you're ego wouldn't be able to stand the chance of me beating you as scum.

Ik how that game goes. You're about as predictable as they come my guy

you're projecting your own feelings about me that you showed in d1 with your threats to blacklist people who won't vote me the next day. the truth is that you don't matter all that much to me.

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I mean. you know the kind of experience a game with me is going to present. I would not be offended or upset if you decided that it isn't for you and chose not to play with me and I would respect that.

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i think my method of scumhunting has essentially no counterplay. i have no more difficulty reading the best scum players than the worst and i don't usually struggle against people going all out to fool me.

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i mean

if you

took my scumreads on you guys seriously

and attempted to disrove the svs read

i probably would have seen it

instead axe started lolcatting and you refused to even consider him after calling him scum

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buy my product fuckheads