Mini Normal 2073: ~ramblings~ (game over)

[Vorkuta]

Hi again to most of you, and nice to meet you LUV, Macabre, and James.

I think that we can't avoid RVS this game and will have to grit our teeth and power through a few pages of nonsense.

VOTE: JPG because I have a ton of .gifs and .pngs

[Vorkuta]

What is your favorite thing to eat and why?

A bucket of freshly picked berries (blackberries/raspberries/gooseberries/currants/whathaveyou) because childhood nostalgia.

I rolled VT again

Is this a hard claim btw?

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Dr.EB
This one's for real.

Why? Like you know the default arguments for it being anti-town, makes PR hunting easier, blah blah blah.
Having played in

at least

a game with you before... this is out of character

[Vorkuta]

To be clear, are you saying that my questions or RVS is nonsense?

Mainly RVS, but to some extent a bit of both- either way, the first few pages are going to be reserved for players to get their jokes/memes/shit out of their system before actually "playing" to the game, and that will hold regardless of whether we do RVS/RQS.

Your "which food" question is on the fluffy side of things.
A question like "do you prefer being mafia" or something along those lines I can totally 100% get behind.... but "food preferences"?
It sounds like you're on a first date and you have to ask the most generic/default questions at hand to keep the conversation going (at all costs )

[Vorkuta]

Just bear with

I have no problems with fluff/fun/jokes or whatnot

people can confirm I am fun!police

I just want to slightly contest your idea that "RQS > RVS" with questions like these. But I'm promised a post-game explanation so I back off

<3

STOP POCKETING ME REEEEE

[Vorkuta]

Me fucking around and voting myself is out of character?

Not the selfvote: the VT claim

[Vorkuta]

Naked votes on me.
I wholeheartedly approve.

Also question for

@mod

: is this a "rule"?

i also hate spoiler tags

something something big pictures need to be in a spoiler

[Vorkuta]

what exactly is your motivation with delving deeper on this and trying to verify his claim?

I'm developing my case for a scum!Dr.EB.

I have
-meta/previous game experience
-the anti-town nature of the claim
-the obvious benefit it brings to a scum!Dr.EB

And the bigger issue at hand is that this guy will troll/shitpost/hide and find many ways to throw sand in your eyes and derail any and all "serious" discussion regarding the nature of that claim and make it damn near impossible to determine his alignment properly later on.

[Vorkuta]

I've only had 1 completed

get the hint please

game with him- we were both town there.
I think someone else might've tried to bring up quotes from a past scum game of his, but digging that up would be
-too much work
-not very helpful as

In addition, you’re suffering from meta warp

So given that this is page 3 with less than half the cast properly reporting in, I'm still in the "gut read" stage of my scum case on Dr.EB.
However the arguments are there and even he agrees with them.

[Vorkuta]

I think it’s fair that we don’t acknowledge the meta part of your case.

Fair, but I think I can call people out on doing 180s compared to a previous game that they've had with me.

NewbScum greeting tell

Let me guess- this is thrown my way as well?
Hi to you to

morality

FL.

[Vorkuta]

And the bigger issue at hand is that this guy will troll/shitpost/hide and find many ways to throw sand in your eyes and derail any and all "serious" discussion regarding the nature of that claim and make it damn near impossible to determine his alignment properly later on

.

Yes

Oh look, "pokemon discussion" instead of a serious "did you consider the pros and cons before claiming VT" chat.
Case in point

obtained via meta

[Vorkuta]

I think it’s fair that we don’t acknowledge the meta part of your case.

This is clearly within my meta

Like ok sure whatever

Please spoon feed me why town!Dr.EB would claim VT.
I think that it's clearly suboptimal and anti-town, to do so and that scum!Dr.EB benefits from this much more.
Kindly explain/disagree/point things that I don't see out.

[Vorkuta]

Wake up to the crimes of this succubus

Idk- I think this is NAI based on our few games together.

Also oh dear... are all your posts going to be Edgar-Allan "Poe-esque"?

Last time you blew a gasket.

Was that the time when I was scum, or when you were scum?
VOTE: FL for HATCHETING

I'm so proud of myself, I think I used this right this time

[Vorkuta]

Just give it a little bit, Vorkuta. If you still feel that way later, come back.

Wow.
FL: "I don't explicitly disagree with your read, therefore I am in no way obstructing your case against my scumbuddy!DrEB, and thus not hatchetting".
Just wow.

wait for this all to blow over

YEAH BOOOOOI

[Vorkuta]

The only time I remember you coming after me is when you were scum.

Your point being?
scum!FL is still covering up for scumbuddy!Dr.EB via hatchetting/seducing (I think last time the distinction was that hatchet = scum, seducing = town).

Yes

Oh man I love being scum with FL.

You guys are so openly powerwolfing about it that you'll think it'll just blow over because no one will ever take you seriously

[Vorkuta]

in no way do I try to stop Vorkuta-DEB here

uh huh.... so... you're not stopping me..?
Like what would you and Baezu have me do- back off my 100% valid and unrebutted/uncontested "why did DrEB claim VT" case to let others check in and... what?

Pasta

inb4 Italian cuisine = mafia. Thank you for playing.
How do you even fall for that?

/s

[Vorkuta]

Please spoon feed me why town!Dr.EB would claim VT.
I think that it's clearly suboptimal and anti-town, to do so and that scum!Dr.EB benefits from this much more.
Kindly explain/disagree/point things that I don't see out.

So you're expecting me to buy that you're fine with being anti-town... because you simply don't like the role.

[Vorkuta]

Full disclosure to everyone who's reading FL's sig
I was scum with HitAlt against town!FL&S_S&Baezu that game.

With how toxic I can supposedly be, lynching me is probably the most pro town thing you could do.

Dammit I think this is 2scum2Bscum now, yet I really don't want to back off

excess use of strikethrough.

If it's a problem, I can completely stop. Someone else

ongoing

has brought that up and I've complied.
I'll be tonally off because I wouldn't be able to insert my snark/garbage naturally in my comments though

oops that was an emote

Sorry it's out of my system now
Do you want "no more strikethroughs below this line"?
======================

[Vorkuta]

2scum2Bscum?

I have an inherent assumption that most scum like being scum and plays primarily to win- scum "want it more" or whatever the wiki term is.
As a result, one of my townclears is a "this player is being too bad to be actual/real scum" argument. It works quite often (if I do say so myself)

And please never stop the strikethroughs!

You're not the one annoyed by them

pedit- whatever you guys said ^

[Vorkuta]

imgspoiler

Spoiler:

The early boost in town-cred/points, plus the "WIFOM" aspect to discourage an investigation PR use (who would rather, in my experience, read null/scumier slots) outweighs the restriction.
ALSO- he can be gambitting/back out (oh I just claimed VT so people would leave me alone N1/N2, I'm actually an "insert PR here")

That's why I don't like it.

[Vorkuta]

Is... S_S doing this update catchup in real time...?
Because you stole that

pedit

[Vorkuta]

because SO MANY people townread him for it...

Primarily because I'm really not allowing people to. (and because a third of our cast hasn't checked in yet)

technically I developed it independently

Thank you for letting me know.

[Vorkuta]

specific to newbies

Unless that's just how he is independent of alignment.

Idk scum!Vork bought a D1 (squeezed out under duress at L-2/L-1) VT claim if that helps

[Vorkuta]

for that too btw now that I think about it.

Arguably I "FALL" for that in all (town and scum) games.
My reasoning is that it tells people "oh hey- I've played with 10/13 players here before" and I think it's quite fair to let you guys know that.
Also... I'm.... "nice" by nature?

I’ve never seen Vork not buddy up to me at this point in the game.

*inhales*.... *exhales*
PREVIOUSLY... I was under the impression/assumption that FL is such a good player that there's no way I could win if we weren't the same (town) alignment.
Like if my win!condition doesn't exist... then I can't play the game.
Therefore, the only scenario where that win!condition EXISTS... is if FL is town... then I can buddy him!

NOW (I think) I'm less naive and more cynical/experienced.

^strikethrough intended but idk if I'm allowed to use them

[Vorkuta]

I was more thinking that you seem to start your first days with picking something that reminds you of something from a former game and focus on that for a while.

Hey- I'm pretty sure it beats coming into a game with nothing but RVS/RQS to rely on.

Sure, in hindsight I get that I'm extremely vulnerable to recency bias (as evidenced by EXTREMELY over compensating and not wanting to fall for the same BS several games in a row) but yeah... that's me *waves*
Like FL outright told me that ^ (warning- quote from another game)

Vorkuta, is just making it incredibly easy for me to win the next time I roll scum against you.

[Vorkuta]

"Vork as scum is terrified of Boon."

You know... in that game's scum!PT...
I wrote that I wanted FL to make it to endgame just so I'd have bragging rights on him

[Vorkuta]

yet

Ok, I fully acknowledge that I'm hyper paranoid of you at this point in time.
But this looks like you're throwing the gauntlet and "subtly telling me" that you're not on my side this game.

Time to fix that
VOTE: FL (oh wait I'm already voting for him...)

[Vorkuta]

cologne

Not like this.
Not this shit again.
Please

[Vorkuta]

Oh boy- look at this game with all everyone coming up with all these prepared gambits.
*looks into my bag of tricks*... Sorry guys, I got nothing special planned this game.

[Vorkuta]

@Skellen - Are you the type of person who wears...cologne?

Boon Wars Episode II: Attack of the Colognes

Did...

Did you just...

Did you just create my next series of games...

Yup

/prein

[Vorkuta]

My plan was to have fun.

The following is actually a semi-serious question:
Is there a correlation between the amount of fun you have, and you winning?

You know that there are some people who engage in an activity purely for the social aspect of it, and others that do it ONLY TO WIN.
I've played with people on the opposite ends of the spectrum, and I have a feeling I already know where you lie on it, but I feel like asking anyway.

[Vorkuta]

to my spreadsheet

Can this level of over-preparedness be scum?
Can this be a really really huge elaborate show/theater for the public..?

Eh... idk I just want to see Act 2.

[Vorkuta]

Am I still voting FL?
Yeah I'm still voting FL.

Guys come on- he's OPENLY powerwolfing.

[Vorkuta]

You know how many times I’ve been pushed like this? A lot.

K guys- you heard the man. Let's give up on ever trying to catch scum!FL

You know the last time I was mafia and lynched prior to Day 3 was?

He's challenging us.
He's literally scum claiming and bragging that we aren't going to lynch him on D1.

[Vorkuta]

Either you’re scum overcompensating or town who’s in the ultraparanoid of FL zone.

How many posts did it took you to conf!town yourself this game?

[Vorkuta]

Even if I were scum, it’s not worth lynching me Day 1.

Is there "ever" an acceptable day to lynch scum!FL?

You also relentlessly pushed me as scum without using logic or any sort of reason, and you’re doing the exact same thing here.

No.... I'm primarily pushing you FOR derailing/hatchetting/seducing me off my Dr.EB case.

[Vorkuta]

Nope. But it’s not for just scumFL, so this looks like you’re setting up a game state path

Can other people comment on "it is never appropriate to lynch FL... EVER"?

Your push didn’t need to happen just yet. It derailed the thread.

Sorry guys- my bad. It's never appropriate to push any!FL, regardless of how decent my case/argument/reasons are for the push. /s

and you pushing him was allowing him to hide behind a 1v1, which didn’t help my read at all. I was actively trying to read his slot.

How exactly was that?
Does scum!Dr.EB use different jokes/memes as opposed to town!Dr.EB?

Literally the only bit of game relevant/advancing content we've obtained from him (after the VT claim) was BECAUSE of my push.
What- am I supposed to allow him to sandshrew up until the end of the game, and blindly trust in your ability to sift through him?

I don't like being put in a position where I have to blindly believe you in
-you being town
-you being able to SOLVE
That's how I/we lose. It worked out well that one time, and then... you lied to me

[Vorkuta]

You have no idea how frustrating this is

[Vorkuta]

Literally contradiction after contradiction with every single post ^

Fine: VOTE: JPG because 0 posts,
AND because it'll make "more" of an impact for when I inevitably vote back to FL

[Vorkuta]

to the rest of us

I think FL is scum, maybe even with Dr.EB and I've explained my case.
His rebuttal is "it's never appropriate to lynch me"

Can anyone comment/point out where I/either of us are mistaken?

[Vorkuta]

You realize that’s a FL town tell, right?

k

Again- how many posts did it take you to conf!town yourself this game?

[Vorkuta]

If I Vig scum tonight

Is this a claim?
I have to ask because reasons

[Vorkuta]

Well, I’m obviously not going to confirm that.

Well that's just great.
I love being completely at the mercy of whatever gambit FL has for us this game.
Except I'm also promised a duck gambit so hopefully the 2 will cancel each other out /s

[Vorkuta]

I don't really see your case, can you summarize it?

-Dr.EB: claims VT
-Vork: doesn't like this and asks for clarification/reasons/justification
-Dr.EB: "half-asses" the explanation
-Vork wants more, and is convinced anti-town Dr.EB is scum!Dr.EB and wants to engage this
=>Enter FL
-FL: (#74) tells Vork to back off the scum!Dr.EB case
-Vork: is like "why"
-FL: *handwaves*
-Vork: votes and asks for literally any logical reasoning
-FL: *handwaves*
-Vork: explicitly calls this "hatchetting" which is a scum technique used by scum!FL to relieve pressure off of scum!Dr.EB
-FL: *handwaves*
-Vork: pushes
-FL: *all of my previous games*
-Vork: pushes
-FL: *you can't lynch me ever*
-S_S: "hey summarize please"

[Vorkuta]

Shoot, meant to dump that in spoiler= tags.

This seems like he’s overreacting.

I unvoted- what more do you want?

[Vorkuta]

I will if you will

[Vorkuta]

Yeah, it is a claim.

Is it a real claim is the question you should be asking.

Yes, it is a real claim.

Now, is it my actual role?

Well, I’m obviously not going to confirm that.

Not posturing. Right.

Use the chain link system.

That’s one link. If you can get more links, great.

You and Dr.EB= 2 links. It's better than any other case I have (granted- low post counts from others, but still)

If you’re town, just work with me to find scum, even if you think I’m scum.

That's literally the entire issue: if you're scum, I'll only """find""" the "scum" that you "allow" me to find.
There's no way to "minimize" your impact on this game to allow others to play the game WITHOUT your subtle manipulations- and that's the brunt of my push on you.

[Vorkuta]

You can't just "k" my wall posts away.
Christ.

Whatever you get what you want- I'll stop the push unless literally anyone else (sorry Dr.EB- not you) supports it.

[Vorkuta]

by defining hatcheting

Didn't you define that term for me last game?

pedit- sorry that was that RCE

Either way: the source

Spoiler:

large normal 216 post 2654.
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=77628&p=10624066&h ... #p10624066

[Vorkuta]

I hate your gambits like these.
I've seen them a few times to maybe know that I'm being a part of one, but I hate having to completely rely on whatever BS you hallucinated up in the spur of the moment.

[Vorkuta]

(Speaking of which... I also attacked the validity of your argument for why DEB was scum. Why did you not call me out for hatcheting as well?)

-your "attack" was weak- I interpreted it with humor (and posted a nice bart image for you), and didn't compare to FL's.
-I admit I was probably tunneling too hard and like the DrEB&FL paring more than a DrEB&S_S pairing

it still doesn't mean that your argument was valid

I have NOT received a single explanation for why a town!FL would derail my perfectly 100% valid scum!Dr.EB case.
That's why I pushed.

BUT AGAIN- I've backed off.
I unvoted.
Done.
Washing my hands off this shit.
Will hammer if called on, but I'm out

[Vorkuta]

This spray

Am I spray? Fan of knives = spray?

[Vorkuta]

I didn’t even attack you!

not everything is about you

I was replying to S_S

[Vorkuta]

Let us kill all who this lip loves!

And who in particular would that be?
So far I have

#Baezu Leaf for life.

Oh. You're still pushing demon succubus lady.

[Vorkuta]

It literally was about me.

Did you get a bart picture dedicated to you? No.

[Vorkuta]

-your "attack" was weak- I interpreted it with humor (and posted a nice bart image for you),

and didn't compare to FL's

.

It literally was about me.

The bolded bit.
Just.
I'm still unhappy with you.
But I'm voting JohnPG so whatever

[Vorkuta]

I give up trying to dabble in semantics.
I hope the "spirit" of my posts was interpreted correctly but whatever.
The ball is in the lurkers' court.

it’s gonna

v

ork

FTFY

[Vorkuta]

I’m down to kill anybody honsetly

I want to point out for the record that this is TL;DR the scum win condition

Still voting .bmp

[Vorkuta]

@S_S & @Morality
Can you guys knock some sense into DrEB and explain how RC and shoshin caught scum D1 in THAT GAME?

What’s everyone’s favorite cereal?

I eat sandwiches in the morning. Unless you mean cereal grain, in which case rye=rice > corn = oats

[Vorkuta]

If y’all could talk to me that’d be greeeeeat

I'm trying to not hyper/fluff post until the lurkers show up.
I encourage others to do the same

[Vorkuta]

Is this another one of these strange ingame terms?

No, this is FL trying to use a gambit that he couldn't use in a previous game.
He'll *handwave* away any and all questions regarding it so just.... play... along?

It doesn't happen frequently

I recall shoshin/RC bragging about how they have a 70% D1 scumlynch success rate or something.
But yeah- I forgot you replaced in.

serious cereal conversation

Haven't had storebought cereal like the ones you're talking about in like... years.
Grilled cheese almost every morning. Occasionally there's discounted Fruit jam.

[Vorkuta]

Baezu- Your playstyle in general feels really "lean back and enjoy the show" with the occasional light-hearted commentary on several choice scenes.
It's actually quite different from our Musical game where you managed to be a universal scum read and had to fight a wagon.

Since scum know who’s town they start out with more information so associations are harder to draw...scum lynch in D1 can actually make it harder for town to win

So we give up on scumhunting D-1 all together? /s
I'd be fine with a PL or lynching Lylo liabilites, but I'd rather actually give it a real shot in this game with this player cast.

I want details.

I made a write up previously for someone I know so... enjoy?
(this is all

100% fluff

solid and game advancing content with crumbs, reads, secret code, and all that mafia stuff)

Spoiler:

idk- I'm not a huge fan of the artificial/rainbow colored "fortified with vitamins" breakfast cereal. Also, I like my milk in a glass... not in a bowl. So that's it- no cereal for me.

As for grilled cheese.... take whatever cheese you have, chop/shred/tear/whatever it, and put on whatever non-mouldy bread you have lying around.
Buttering the bread beforehand is optional but highly recommended. As I mentioned before, I'm usually a rye/pumpernickel guy, but I find that classic sandwich toast (pref. wholewheat as the cheese/butter can get in those pores) works best. I've splurged and bought proper hamburger buns/baguettes/sweetrolls, but that's too fancy and extravagant for me. I made it with sourdough once and that was heavenly.

I'm a huge fan of melting harder (swiss raclette/gruyere, edam, couldy, and cheddar) cheeses but I typically get whatever's on discount. HOWEVER, literature/common opinion actually encourages going for the softer/stringier cheeses for that nice "pizza" like texture and... 'stringiness'. That's my issue however- I'm making a damn grilled cheese SANDWICH, not a "pizza", but to each his own. Anyway- you literally can't go wrong with taking anything (all the way to cottage cheese) and experimenting.

Now here we have several "polarizing" moments that depends on the aficionado making the grilled cheese sandwich: open vs closed (2 slices of bread with stuff in between, or 1 slice of bread with stuff on top and that's it), and oven vs pan.
I'm an "open oven" guy, which means I'm lazy and put it in parchment paper on a baking tray/grill and stick my oven to 200C/400F for several minutes.
This has the benefit of me being able to VISUALLY confirm exactly what state of the cooking process the cheese is in, but is probably more of a waste because let's face it: breakfasts are made on frying pans, not in ovens, and you don't get that signature brown toast/sear effect on your bread. When you're going for more fancy buns, I would recommend using a proper pan/skillet as you kind of have to press down and flatten the sandwich down for best effect, and obviously this isn't something you can do in an oven.

The science behind cheese melting is quite fascinating, and you can WATCH it in real time, which is why I again will advocate for the open/oven method.
Cheese is TL;DR protein, water, and fat. Protein and fat have different physical properties and will melt differently. This can be best illustrated for when you stick a slice of cheese on a frying pan and just turn the heat waaay up. At first the "solid block" will become more gooey, and then will turn into a liquid. This gooey goodness is the perfect intermediary state at which you want your grilled cheese to be in. If you keep the cheese on the heat, you will notice how the fat will liquefy and separate from the protein, and then you'll end up with your "cheese/protein" floating around in its own rendered fat which is extremely undesirable.
When you remove this dissociated mix from the heat and leave it to cool, typically the protein cools off and solidifies separately from the fat (which doesn't solidify at all) when results in a "cracker" due to all the moisture evaporating. This is really good for that crunchy "crust" effect, but it's not to everyone's liking, and not the ""essence"" of grilled cheese so you do you.

TL;DR you can't fuck it up as long as you're watching it, but you might get different results depending on how long you ignore it for.

Oh and a word of warning- grilled cheese purists will get very angry if you DARE use anything that isn't cheese and butter in your sandwich.
It technically becomes a cheese + "object" MELT.
It's perfectly acceptable and pretty damn good, but you know how that every community has those 'gatekeeping/exclusive' guys so... yeah.
If you want pictures and inspiration then https://www.reddit.com/r/grilledcheese/top/?t=year is the first thing off the top of my head.
Happy cheese-grilling.

[Vorkuta]

so I don’t understand the point of that comment

D1, RC and Shoshin got the scum!CoA lynch.
They later claimed to be able to do it 70% of the time, AND that it was the thing to go for.
Can you A: confirm, and B: tell Dr.EB to not just throw D1 away?


Also this game is called "ramblings" so who's next?

[Vorkuta]

That game’s just toxic spit now

can confirm, I'm trying to read RC's ISO that game to try and see what's up/prove you wrong and.... well "can confirm".

[Vorkuta]

Also, I like how this has become like a trilogy of sorts with Vorkuta-SS-Myself being in all 3 of these

So first scum!morality... then scum!vork...
And.... by that logic.... S_S rolled scum this time around! Perfect circle! /s

get mad at me

I'm sorry, I'll drop it.

TL;DR- Dr.EB, don't give up on D1.

[Vorkuta]

<3 Vorkie.

u 2

Stop POCKET

[Vorkuta]

Exactly the same stuff as last game

Her read on me is defined almost entirely by how I behaved in Mini 2070 (oh rc/tchill/JPG were in that one as well), from my opening, to my thought process, to my reactions to "BS".
I can say literally the same thing about her: the questions, the clarifications, and the thought process are identical to ^ where she was town, so I'm left with kind-of-semi-solid TR on her.

Also Revi is cool

For others who don't buy my meta read:
If anything- her questions are gameadvancing/progressing content and even if she's 100% NAI, it's hard to deny the town utility she brings (for now?)

[Vorkuta]

I have

4 accounts

, man. I bounce back and forth. I always come back.

I wanted to ask back then

[Vorkuta]

This must be your first any!creature game in a long while

[Vorkuta]

Cupcake = DrEB
Rapper = LUV
Smile = Skellen...?
Just confirming

[Vorkuta]

I'm a bit lost with shadow- seeing as he's talking about the lurkers it's JPEG?

[Vorkuta]

Also triggered

+1

[Vorkuta]

Doex the identity of the setup designer and reviewer give us anytning to go on in that regard?

[Vorkuta]

FL changes his roll PM at will. There's nothing we can do about it
Guh... is D1 just going to turn into "lynch the lurkers"?

[Vorkuta]

Lynching lurking town!PR is painful, and (speaking as that one time I got N3+vig) I see every reason/motivation for them to keep their heads down and "not play with us".

[Vorkuta]

So... they don't draw attention.... don't get targeted for a night kill... and can use their PR in peace to help town..?

The point is to "win" the game.
If a hypothetical N3+ vig (:P) thought that he could change the game simply by getting to N3 (at which point he could use his super powers), it makes perfect sense for them to "not" be a part of the game until then.
It could be construed as anti-town by some, but how many "lines" was I supposed to write on the board again?

[Vorkuta]

You outed yourself

[Vorkuta]

UNVOTE: JPG
Yes, I'm "THAT GUY" again.

We don't even have a replacement from flippy's slot yet

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: S_S
This is scum defending his scum partner.

-Most people on the JPG wagon were there for "hurry up and post" reasons, not because they GENUINELY thought that the slot was town.
-S_S panics seeing the gradual transition form "inactivity wagon" to "scum wagon" and intervenes
-He's assuming that this is a 100% town wagon with no scum on it based simply on how "smooth" it's going.

[Vorkuta]

Scum wagons are always going to have resistance day 1 because they don’t want their buddy lynched

This is the resistance

some music should play here I think

“thought the slot was SCUM,”

yes

sorry train of thought got derailed

[Vorkuta]

I don't believe that the wagon at its peak was all town

I also don't believe scum would have been willing

HMMMMM
No.

You didn't like how smoothly this town!wagon on your scum buddy is going.

[Vorkuta]

You were on the wagon.

Only as an inactivity/pressure wagon

Now you do?

Based on his response to pressure and Baezu's arguments that make sense to me I like S_S as scum with JPG.

S_S has been taking a neutral "ok guys let's settle down" between Vork vs FL, for the townpoints, and is now cashing in to defend his scum!buddy.
.BMP will probably still be offline/holidaybusy so I'm voting S_S

[Vorkuta]

ninja'd & phoneposting is hard

So S_S is defending his scumbuddy who is not scum?
Your logic is about 0% sense.

-JPG is lurking/inactive scum (but I didn't think that at the time), so I voted to push activity. I would've done the same to tchill/flippy.
-JPG responds and I'm like "hmmm what was he like last game"
-S_S defends.
-Page 23

[Vorkuta]

Why wouldn't I do that as town?

-You're borderline asking me to prove a negative here, and that's impossible
-You probably would BUT

I like my case for a scum!S_S is more than a town!S_S

pedit
Mechanics and probability dragged into this discussion? town!S_S doesn't do that does he?
It's a combination of gut/meta/pastexperience and ^.
I view a scum!S_S who got town!points for mediating and "cashed in".
Call it "scum ebb and flow" patterns that I've observed previously idk

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

This reminds me of that one time I used to play this game called "Among Us" on my phone. It was a pretty nice game of Crewmates versus the Imposter. Crewmates had to get their tasks done or root out the Imposter via voting, while the Imposter had to sabotage the tasks and kill everyone off. One of the features of that game was called the Emergency Button, which players could press in the middle of the ship. Once that button was pressed, everyone automatically gathered into the voting room and had to vote. Although the purpose of that button was for emergency situations, there was always one person in the game who would randomly press the button. Everyone would ask "why" or "what's going on." But whoever pressed the button wouldn't respond to any of that. And then, he would randomly blurt out a name. With no reason. Occasionally people would ask that person why, but he wouldn't say anything. Just repeating the name over and over. So people vote that name off. Boom. Not an imposter. Unfortunately, I have been a victim of many of those scenario. I don't know why, but people just loved saying my name out like that. So people vote me out when I was just minding my own business doing my tasks. Sometimes I was perfectly capable of clearing myself mechanically, so I tried telling them that. However, they wouldn't care. They would simply just vote the person that one guy blurted out randomly. So, in the end, I couldn't do anything. I had to accept my fate every time, and just roll over and die.

Even though this game does not share the similar situation, I feel like I'm in the same situation. I could just roll over and die, just like I did in that game. However, in that game, I could still help out the fellow Crewmates by still completing my tasks posthumously. I can't really do that in this game. And I can already see that if I get lynched like this, Day 2 is going to be "oh well we lynched the lurker. No loss." Even though I wasn't actually lurking. Flavor Leaf said something about my wagon will be there to analyze the vote count. At the time he said it, I highly doubt it. So I will attempt to make things actually count. Unlike in "Among Us," I refuse to just roll over and die.

TL;DR...?

personal motivation inside a wall of text- I'm actually bought by this AtE

logic wasn't his strong suit. He went everything by his impulse.

Erm.... uhhh...

is this actually true? can you other guys comment?

Brb reevaluating my life choices

[Vorkuta]

I was thinking this could be scum!vork getting town!S_S lynched to confirm scum!JPG.

"confirm....?"

Can you spoonfeed me that a bit more?

[Vorkuta]

But you can still give evidence of a negative.

Like... this is mafia. The only evidence I have is what you choose to post making it necessary for me to learn to try and understand what you're not posting, what you're trying hard not to explicitly say, and etc.
Plus, it's always in scum's favor to stir the pot/cause chaos/sow seeds of discord/whathaveyou.

That's a huge gap. Even if you think I only act this way as town one out of four times, the odds are still three to one against me being scum with him.

I would argue that you're using the WIFOM portion of this as your defense, and I have experience doing it in Musicals where we had ALL 3 SCUM on the same wagon on D1.
-Scumteam: "does something coordinated and outrageous"
-Town: "hey guys... uh"
-Scumeam: "come on guys, WHAT ARE THE ODDS that ALL OF US are doing this at the same time? We won't be THAT BAD, that would be GAMETHROWING"
-Town: "nods heads in acceptance and backs off"

I act this way nine times out of ten at least, because when I see a bad wagon as town I will attempt to derail it, period, end of discussion.

I buy this, but your derailment felt forced, unnatural, and unnecessary. and it FELT more like scum!S_S stepping in for scumbuddy and NOT town!S_S period, end of discussion

which I can't tell if it's a joke since analyzing mechanics and probability is literally the stronger part of my towngame.

I've literally never seen you do this sort of probability analysis before in any of our games together.
I believe you (because I'm 99% sure other players who've played with you quite often will correct you god forbit you lie), but meh.

Do you follow my logic, and if not, what part of it don't you understand?

Your logic is sound, but you feel tonally (and meta-y) off, hence I'm confused.

However JPG can be town for the AtE wall of text outlining his motivation which diminishes my S_S & JPG case

For what it's worth, my perception/concept of you as a player has changed, and this is insightful.

TL;DR

I back off JPG and S_S, they can be null-town

[Vorkuta]

Vork: Whoop, I guess that means that JPG can’t possibly be scum.
JPG is lock-town

Ha. Ha. hAAAAH.

Counterpoint: This is an example of how vork thinks

-Investigative gets a confirmed guilty/innocent
-Vork still thinks that said investigative might be scum, while others are lock-towning said investigative.

There's no way I would buy "oh a 1-v-1 resulted in a town flip, thus the other guy is also town!".
If I wouldn't buy, it then... why.... would I... make that argument?

[Vorkuta]

Going after me then SS early Day 1 like this is pretty bold, but I think it's pretty safe if he's scum, because it's Day 1.

Counterpoint:
-I learned how stupid that was, and scum!vork is now too scared to try exactly the same BS two times in a row
-The stakes are too low (this being D1)

inb4 wifom scum!vork would say just that

[Vorkuta]

I'm just saying that, mathematically speaking, saying that me and John are scum together is a very strong claim while we are both alive

Oh yeah, you're the one told me that preflip associations are a no no from last game

These are NOT very representative of my town game and I think anyone here who knows me can attest to my claims being accurate

Garbage samplesize of S_S's town games noted.

As I said- I give up and don't have a case
Let me go see what there is between Crow and She-Demon-Succubus now

[Vorkuta]

not many interesting things

JPG wagon, S_S defense of the wagon, Vork attack on S_S, White duck analysis, Vork backing off S_S?

Comment on that please

[Vorkuta]

See, the only reason you’re scumreading JPG is because you’re scumreading S_S

So.... before I EXPLICITLY STATE that I scum read someone IN THIS THREAD, my scum read any and all suspicions I have about a slot are 100% invalid?
I can freely INDEPENDENTLY scum read however many slots I want to for whatever reasons.
This is just the earliest opportunity I've had to come up with a case on both of them.

There’s no 1v1 here

Your logic assumes I have to 1v1 town!S_S and get a greenflip on him to defend fellow scumbuddy!JPG for any of your #594 to be true.

And also you “buy” because you’re scum.

You must think that I am dumb enough to try and shove a case that I myself wouldn't believe down other people's throats.
Nice to know how you read me.

[Vorkuta]

Really?

I voted for him when he had 0 posts in total (#226)
Then he said stuff and and it was murkier.

Like come on.
You're trying to score a really cheap shot here.

[Vorkuta]

I'm willing to argue and disagree with that statement, but I've already dropped the case.
Like this would've been valuable a page or two ago, but now what?

[Vorkuta]

I can see your logic.

You brag about that like it's an accomplishment- I boiled down my case in easily accessible bullet points.

Which is such bad logic in of itself. I mean, have you ever heard of white knighting?

honestly- it's not really brought up VERY often in my games

At the time, I saw few discrepancies in the logic AND I had meta/gut experience on S_S such that the case seemed solid AT THE TIME.
Given the "timing" and the "ebb-and-flow" reasons that were ON TOP of the (yes, in hindsight, admittedly weak) logic I had, I was interested in pushing that scum pair.
Due to recent events I have since then LOST said interest.

Like again- S_S has already said stuff. What's your point?
Your case implies scum!vork and scum!buddyJPEG.
S_S disagrees with scum!PNG so go argue with him about that.

I've dropped both cases, and I'm seriously trying to see why town!duck wants to sink his bill (fangs? claws..? talons..?) in me.

[Vorkuta]

Vork: S_S and JPG have to be scum together! Let’s lynch S_S because I don’t lynch lurkers.
Dumb town: Yep OK.
(S_S flips town because your logic makes no sense and you know that S_S is town)
Vork: Whoop, I guess that means that JPG can’t possibly be scum.
JPG is lock-town for the rest of the game and endgames.

Hey look I can do quotes too

[Vorkuta]

is independent of you being scum, which you ARE.

I'm going to pull the S_S argument.
Why doesn't town!vork do this? You need to provide evidence that town!vork doesn't do this for your claim to be valid.

Did I do that right?

[Vorkuta]

town!nobody

Paging everyone here who's played a game with town!vork before.

the unvoted player

I unvoted the guy because I was scared of quickhammers ffs. Like come on.
Like the "that guy" quote is because

I'm jokingly self aware

I refuse to lynch/hammer even obv!claimed scum until they get a say in, to the frustration to other townies.

That’s backtracking and false narrative, and pretty blatant too

Yes- I blatantly admit that my .PNG and S_S scumbuddy case was wrong. If changing my mind is backtracking, then I guess I'm backtracking as well.
Idk about the false narrative, but 2/3 ought to be good enough for you right? /s

pedit.

Put some freaking work in and interact with me

It's a Sat>Sun weekend in whatever timezone you're in.
Chillax- people have fun stuff to do.
You don't get to have 1 or 2 bursts of activity and say this.

[Vorkuta]

Mini 2068 2.0

TL;DR what was that and what happened there?

[Vorkuta]

This rollercoaster ride had me going

Vorkuta has managed to impress me with an astute observation!

<3

Yup, I feel like this sums Vorkuta up pretty well.

Vorkuta scum here?

Forgot to UNVOTE:

I've seen some recent D1's from both Vork

I too, enjoyed our time in the scum!PT on that game's D1

[Vorkuta]

Not at all a natural progression of thought.

Mm... it is when my "progression" has been interrupted with more or less solid arguments as the ones in #592 and #605. (or at least I buy them)

I stir the pot until I accumulate enough town/scum points on someone to make town/scum cases for people. AT THE TIME JPG and S_S had enough points to warrant a scum case and I presented it. It has been solidly shot down and what remains of my case is relatively poor (gut/instinct/intuition/ebb-and-flow/notthesameD1play), hence I'm backing off.
I'd argue that hypertunneling and blindly charging forward would be bad and anti-town.

hey didn't scum!vork do that just a while ago?

Explain these words you're typing Vorkuta

only a sith deals in absolutes

English language technicality- I usually write that people "assume" things that should be obvious/defined from their role PM.

[Vorkuta]

Thank you- I'll be here all week

[Vorkuta]

Shoot was that page-top up for grabs for like 5 hours?

also wtf?

[Vorkuta]

my suspicions of the shadow had been divined through the absence willingness to kill anybody

My 2 cents- town!JPG also wasn't very initially trigger-happy/out-for-blood/let's-lynch-EVERYTHING in our previous game together.
Plus voting for people =/= willingness to kill people, and I'd argue that several people have made votes purely for the sake of blending in and jumping on a wagon.
Like voting WITHOUT a genuine intent to see the wagon through.

there are those that believe this spray had performed a hit on behalf of the shadow

I too, am amused

This post, that makes no sense, reads like a clear fabrication!

Hey, I thought it was a solid case at the spur of the moment back then.

big boss

Which one is this- zulfy?

or is this an MGS reference I'm missing

[Vorkuta]

100% for sure scum: Vork, if you need reasons please see my entire case above.

TL;DR please?

Also how goes your spreadsheet progress?

[Vorkuta]

Do I like and approve of the Skellen/Macabre/James town block....
meh it can stay- we have bigger fish to fry on D1.
Skellen > crow > duck though

@MOOOOOD

:
Casual

Forgot to UNVOTE:

thrown in there, would you kindly adjust please and thank you

also weren't we promised ramblings?

Mod: Fixed. And ramblings do not just come to me at will, they are birthed from great struggles (but also, probably at day end rather than every VC).

[Vorkuta]

Idk I'm not going to be able to read crow until he breaks character.
Why is the BMP wagon still a thing?
I'm sold by his AtEs (independent of my previous case(s)

Aerial bombing!

Ew- bird poop

[Vorkuta]

Hi- what do you think of S_S/JPG/Vork and the recent Skellen/Crow/Duck developments?

LAMIST

[Vorkuta]

This key

And with that I think EVERYONE has received a formal nickname from crow
rapper = LUV
lip = FL
spray = yours truly
key = HitAlt
monster = Creature
demon lady succubus = Baezu
shadow = JPG
smile = Skellen
duck = self explanatory
big boss = zulfy
cupcake = Dr.EB
hades = S_S

Spoiler:

No-the post of

hades

of which this spray references makes no sense!

Now on to actually trying interpret his posts/inquiries.

[Vorkuta]

This key had suspected the spray. How does this key feel about this crow's suspicions that the spray and this hades being partners in crime? Does this shake your confidence in our two pronged acquaintance? Inquiry!

-attempt at translation
Hey HitAlt- nice to see your scum!vork case. I

crow

believe in a scum!S_S and scum!vork case, but S_S is one of your top townreads.
What's up?

[Vorkuta]

{FL, S_S, JPG, DrEB}
{Crow, Skellen, Zulfy}
{LUV, Baezu}
{Creature, Duck}

I don't have a case on S_S and JPG so they can stay.
FL included me in a gambit so he can be town.
DrEB can be up there because he claimed VT

and other reasons

I buy S_S's defusal of JPG's wagon and DrEB's quickhammering being

probably NAI

towny. Not D1 lynches.

Crow is fun and manages to get questions in here and there. I approve.
Skellen is game-solvey and picked up on something I dropped

1000!% intentionally

Zulfy throws stuff at the wall and sees what sticks and what doesn't. He hasn't really impressed me but he can be here.

LUV's "help me I'm disengaged" feels like LAMIST,
I don't want she-demon-lady to be this low, but she hasn't done anything to place higher

Read Hit's scumPT with me in our previous game- this is exactly his play. I invoke meta/familiarity/nostalgia.
Duck feels too good to be wrong!town, so the other alternative is that he's stubborn scum trying to go for the lowest hanging fruit (which I've allowed myself to be if that wasn't so obvious). He also has a "spreadsheet" and a "show" prepared for us (which he dropped) which really feels more like scum!insurance akin to FL's "I'm a bad D1 lynch".

Bite me

[Vorkuta]

@LUV Come on- you get the "spirit/essence" of my accusation.
Your "disengagement" and acknowledgement of the such + the cry for help read like scum trying to earn cheap town points for that reason.
But I'll play

LAMIST as look at me, I'm saying stuff

I'd have to go back and ISO others, but off the top of my head Baezu (top), Creature, Dr.EB, and Zulfy would get the most LAMIST points under your new definition.
My read on you would change to a "passive lurker" which I've yet to determine whether is apathetic!town, town!PR or tactical!scum

@crow- Badly editted read list my bad: EBWOQ

{Creature,

key

Duck}

Creature just... like apparently he's read entirely via meta and there are "town!creature posts" and "scum!creature posts"
He's too low/impact/presence for me to say anything about him

except for this

[Vorkuta]

you are lemonade. Sour imposter!

hey no, lemonade is sweet and sparkly

[Vorkuta]

Prodges are.... "fine"?
I mean posts like these have been made before so *shrugs

pagetop?

[Vorkuta]

What pushed him up there into your stronger townreads?

His AtE walls of text (#584, and #687)felt sincere and genuine.
I get that it's hilarious that I get to pick and choose PNG's AtE over Zulfy's "engage me please"... but yeah.
It's also even more hilarious considering the town!JPG game we just came from had him be all like 100% logic and mechanics and none of this emotional/realworld stuff so I don't know how to reconcile that, but I like him as town.

Do you have any examples in Hit's posts that remind you of scum!Hit?

-scum!hitalt: "rarely does well as scum unless he gets an early push in"

from previous PT

-bottom half of #700 is entirely a setup to discredit FL (and I'm pretty sure he cherrypicked what to quote)
-lowesthangingfruit!vork push (same as previously)
Like he's different because he has catchup walls, and now.... but the tone and plays he's going for feel like my formerscum!buddy

In post 793, lemonade!Vorkuta wrote:

grrrr

[Vorkuta]

Why lip, why would this crow encourage this monster to cast their ballot in favor of the shadows, if this crow was performing shady back room deals?

I question: why does this monster vote the duck? Yes, this crow watches this monster carefully and they had no reason. No reason to vote the duck? This crow wants a reason to vote the duck! Yet, this monster was not the one to vote this duck. What is this monster doing? Forgettable!

HMMMMMMM
Crow & Creature....?

Like come on guys- both of you know that there's no way a duck lynch is going through today so you're putting on a show to distance yourself?

[Vorkuta]

@mod

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIFF PRODS

TL;DR- the past several day's worth of exchanges: JPG was way too close/simple to L-1 to be scum

[Vorkuta]

Again- I read him for his TL;DR AtEs as well

[Vorkuta]

I'll bite

for the town points

Hi creature- that game was autumn's farewell btw
I get that it's depressing to be good at something a while ago and then look back and not have an answer for "what went wrong?", so you're going to have to work for your town read.

Here's where we're at right now, game-state wise

-JPG lurk = scum? S_S derail = scumbuddy? Vork bad accusation = scum? JPG still lurking and not posting so = still scum?
-Macabre & James & Skellen core!town?
-Dr.EB claimed VT

Plus the occasional question thrown back and forth here and there that requires actual reading/ISO'ing, plus the random 1v1 (typically with yours truly )
Thoughts on the alignments and whatnot?

[Vorkuta]

Are you putting a big focus on this game because you have a fun role?

Anyway- reads/faults in logic/reasoning that you'd like to chime in?

[Vorkuta]

K here's some incentive

VOTE: Creature

[Vorkuta]

No, not really.
I mean macabre's vote on you is basically because you're apathetic and non-comittal.

Let's hear your side of the story

[Vorkuta]

I predict four mafia and a stomp.

This doesn't feel like a town Creature post :/

If you replaced the word scum with town, your post would make sense.

*town with scum I mean

Why wouldn't you make that post as scum?

oh yeah Creature is in the game and still hasn't done anything

VOTE: Creature

He's only thrown one "shade" throwing post in your direction before voting you for not doing anything- this is pretty much macabre's reasoning as well.
The Baezu naked vote I can get behind, but town!Baezu does the same thing with completely random/unexplained pop-ins that don't really """advance""" the gamestate as much. It's playstyle thing IMHO.
Redeem yourself- do "anything"

[Vorkuta]

Creature’s town af.

I have a hard history of misreading Creature.

So... you're not actually saying anything at all with that post of yours
Also

Please, don't townread me for making these posts, it will only make me feel worse.

[Vorkuta]

But I thought you claimed neighbors with me?
Am I in that masonry as well?
Do I shut up now?

[Vorkuta]

My vote stays on creature until he does something worthy- he asked for it.

[Vorkuta]

I want Zulfy/Baezu/LUV in the spotlight tbh

[Vorkuta]

(3) Creature - Macabre, Something_Smart, Baezu

+

K here's some incentive

VOTE: Creature

+

VOTE: Totodile

Creature- L-2.
Prove that you're not all bark and no bite

[Vorkuta]

but I will be damned this first post with that long anecdote! That just felt calculating with directly appealing to the reader. If town I wish he wouldn't have done that.

His calculation paid off, he successfully pocketed me with his TL;DR venting/ranting.
I considered that it's a scum!JPG, and it IS a 180 personality change compared to our previous game together but I buy it.
It's not something I can explain or justify
For what it's worth, I think he made slightly more of an "effort" than a few others in here, and that alone warrants another D1 lynch.

Ok, but the first point you addressed doesn't seem to apply to this game? Instead he has been more lurking than putting himself into the focus to get pushed. Or do you mean that he might doing it vice versa because of the experiences with some players in this game?

He meant "gets a push" on someone else not "stand center stage in the limelight"
TL;DR our previous scum!PT: scum!HitAlt does best if he sinks his fangs into one person early on and hypertunnels them all the way until he gets a lynch in.
This is the same lurky/casual-popin style of play that we've had together.

[Vorkuta]

Prove that you're not all bark and no bite

Looking forward to it Creature

[Vorkuta]

Both are unmotivated play, so Skellen's and Macabre's points still hold.

[Vorkuta]

The best mechanism is asking him

understandable

questions in real time when he gets back here

TL;DR his """"reads"""" from his ISO

Spoiler:

Maybe this can be my first townread.

I usually really enjoy eating fallic things...even better if they’re filled with cream!

So I guess eclairs?

Oh why are they my favorite? Because they get all over my face

Bayzoo is scum

I think Baezu and S_S are scum this game

LUB is town

Oh, forgot about flippyNips.

He can go.

JPG is frozen af in a scummy way.

Ofc they're "creature catchup reads" and there are very few of them, but we're promised improvements so *shrugs

[Vorkuta]

Consideration!

At its peak, the JPG wagon was Vork, FL, Bae, Macabre, Skellen, Duck, with Dr.EB intending to hammer

Spoiler:

(4) John Pierce Gantt - Vorkuta, Flavor Leaf, Baezu, Macabre

VOTE: John Pierce Gantt

VOTE: JPG

That hammer is looking so sweet right now people. I’m giving JPG a time limit

I unvoted because I'm against lynching people without giving them the last word (and there were too many lurkers for my liking) and S_S heavily derailed afterwards (which then turned into another thing).
So.... yeah

[Vorkuta]

Mal puedo esperar a escuchar los gritos desesperados de la mafia mientras ellos ven su favorito mislynch wagon ser demolido y ellos acorralados.

Spoiler: Translation

I can barely wait to hear mafia's desperate cries as they watch their favorite mislynch wagon demolish and them be cornered

@MODDDDDDD

it's not indicative of anything at all. I am unmotivated regardless of alignment.

I mean so was JPG and you saw how huge the wagon on him was.
Zulfy and LUV are similarly quite, but there wasn't anything serious on them.
If it's a shitty wagon, then defuse it. Go.

Also, why are you ignoring the other players that just voteparked (like the players on your wagon)?

They're not online/ingame. You are. You're first and you're up. Plus you ASKED.
Commentary on interactions. Reads. Go.

[Vorkuta]

Commentary on interactions. Reads. Go.

Sure the vote isn't serious, but it's about to become serious unless you engage.

[Vorkuta]

lol?

You don't get the same pass- sorry

yes, I know how that sounds

[Vorkuta]

Pretty sure I had more than that.

Well quote them so I can see what I missed (and repeating the same name doesn't count).

Just don't give free passes for extremely trivial things.

He had 2 whole high effort emotional walls.

FFS creature, stop talking about YOUR WAGON. No one cares.
Start giving us your reads/solves/interaction/analysis

[Vorkuta]

Goddamit crow's going to have to come up with a new nickname for you

[Vorkuta]

Monster, please give simply, and honestly, your opinions on the shadow and lip! Testify!

+there's a bunch of stuff in game that has nothing to do with your wagon.
Discuss that. Like come on- why am I the one trying to squeeze out game relevant/constructive stuff from you?

[Vorkuta]

Who tf is shadow?

I won't return many pages.

This is just frustrating.

This key

And with that I think EVERYONE has received a formal nickname from crow
rapper = LUV
lip = FL
spray = yours truly
key = HitAlt
monster = Creature
demon lady succubus = Baezu
shadow = JPG
smile = Skellen
duck = self explanatory
big boss = zulfy
cupcake = Dr.EB
hades = S_S

Spoiler:

No-the post of

hades

of which this spray references makes no sense!

Now on to actually trying interpret his posts/inquiries.

[Vorkuta]

Just gave one good read, but I think Vorkuta will never be satisfied ^_^

S_S is scum this game if you wanted one scumread.

This is literally an OMGUS read.

I'm pretty sure my town!S_S case is slightly better and more developed than.... this.
But sure- I'll see how deep this rabbit hole goes. VOTE:

hades

S_S

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Creature

[Vorkuta]

How many pages of creature postimg did I miss?
Whatever- he's satisfied my engagement criteria

without actually answering any of my questions

VOTE: Zulfy can be next
Dance for me

[Vorkuta]

This monster is continually reducing the charges brought against them! Monster, please give simply, and honestly, your opinions on the shadow and lip! Testify!

Surprisingly no answer to this specific question in the 3< pages of creatureposting

[Vorkuta]

tf is shadow anyway.

You've literally received 2 answers immediately afterwards ffs how lazy are you?
JPG

[Vorkuta]

Can you TL;DR you 3 pages worth of commentary/flipflop/thoughtprocess into like 1 nice and concise wall?

[Vorkuta]

I regret going down this rabbit hole
Creature: is this amazing TL;DR accurate?

Spoiler:

Creature's reads as translated by vork: Edition #1
Zulfy: hasn't acknowledged but should get more time in the spotlight #922
Lil Uzi Vert: hasn't acknowledged- lean town #417 and same as ^
Baezu: heavy Scum lean
Flavor Leaf: town
Something_Smart: his 1 scum read this game
Macabre: scum lean
James Brafin: hasn't acknowledged
John Pierce Gantt: just lynch him
Skellen: wall ISO is too hard- can be scumlean
Vorkuta: scum lean
Dr Easy Bake: heavier scum lean
HitAlt: town read him guys

[Vorkuta]

Do you SEE why your stuff is so confusing?

Spoiler:

Vork and FL town for a somewhat stupid reason

Macabre, Something_Smart, Baezu, Vorkuta, Dr. Easy Bake, Skellen

That's six culprits

Someone can't admit I'm ceasing to be a mislynch option...

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Zulfy can be next
Dance for me

No- the thought of entertaining another non-Creature wagon hasn't ever occurred to me.

[Vorkuta]

I was barely keeping up with FL's post count, but here comes creature out of nowhere and just vomits up ~4 pages

[Vorkuta]

oh and if vorkuta is serious about fl he's probably scum lol

What was this regarding to again?

[Vorkuta]

I mentioned the serious part

*looks at the post made just before* #196

Its okay guys.

I’m a Day 3 IC.

*looks back at my post*
Yeah..... No comment

[Vorkuta]

WHY AM I SCUM

Woah there

[Vorkuta]

So-

auskusa

bulba's catchup felt quality and scumhunty and all that usual stuff, but she replaced into crow slot so.... I'll deal with that tomorrow I suppose.
The "1v1" against duck is really bold, but I'll do the reread in context later.

Right now I want the usual suspects {Baezu (VLA but still)/Zulfy/LUV) to pop in and exist.
If I make it in time and Zulfy's @L-1 and hasn't said anything I'll unvote to prevent lol!quickhammers

that some of us are apparently known for making....

But I'm not letting those slide

I think creature might be on to something with "which wagons have the most resistance", so I'd urge all you non-voting cool people put votes somewhere.

[Vorkuta]

@Duck- how's the spreadsheet progress?

[Vorkuta]

Like, for post game, this is so scummy.

Will his spreadsheet be finished by said post game?

[Vorkuta]

You uhh... don't have a gimmicky posting style that requires a translator for every other post?

Macabre also didn't throw out a lot of "reads"- like it took him forever to acknowledge the entire cast, so I pegged him as "more interested in his poe-sona" than in game solving, but I only got NAI vibes with some "scum motivation" thrown here and there.
It was also quite difficult to directly engage him with a question or get RTI with the guy

Your reads are "catchup reads" to some extent- like you necro'ing #191 and you missing out on what the general "in the moment game state" was.
Like I was full on "FL tunnel- full steam ahead" until he kept me in suspense with his neighborhood gimmick/gambit that really had to be experienced in real time IMHO
or Tl;DR @zulfy's #1168
That's for the "interesting stuff about your slot" portion.

You can stay in the same bracket as crow was in my previous read list

[Vorkuta]

Also I'm kind of against a hammer until Zulfy and Titus pop up, so please don't scum-claim by hammering too early

[Vorkuta]

It's an anti-town play, and I would rather people grit their teeth for 2 more days to try and solve as opposed to lol!hammering without even getting people to speak up.

Like Titus replaced into the really "bad/shady/murky" JPG slot, and by hammering you're (FL and the guy that puts him @L-1) letting him slide with only 3 posts on D1.

Can we not?

ninja'd

[Vorkuta]

Assuming Zulfy claims an important PR and we all buy his stuff- what's going to happen EoD?

@Ausuka

Spoiler:

Consideration!

At its peak, the JPG wagon was Vork, FL, Bae, Macabre, Skellen, Duck, with Dr.EB intending to hammer

Spoiler:

(4) John Pierce Gantt - Vorkuta, Flavor Leaf, Baezu, Macabre

VOTE: John Pierce Gantt

VOTE: JPG

That hammer is looking so sweet right now people. I’m giving JPG a time limit

I unvoted because I'm against lynching people without giving them the last word (and there were too many lurkers for my liking) and S_S heavily derailed afterwards (which then turned into another thing).
So.... yeah

[Vorkuta]

Sweet, did I pretty much start almost all those wagons?
I think I did lel

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Titus
Still willing to L-2 Zulfy but I'm hoping to beetlejuice

[Vorkuta]

*rolls eyes at obvious OMGUS vote*

[Vorkuta]

I'm aware- I voted to beetlejuice you in seeing as there was no reason to keep my vote on Zulfy before he pops in.
So let's dance: reads and comments on why everyone hated JPG?

[Vorkuta]

Your slot had a wagon that hit an "intent", and it was never actually resolved.
I was slightly bought by JPG's AtE walls of text, but did not like his complete lack of activity.

Let's see how you do

[Vorkuta]

So is that it?
Titus casually drops an OMGUS and disappears for another day?

Is active lurking a scum tell or....?

[Vorkuta]

Bite me
Show me "real"
Give a single read

[Vorkuta]

@creature- nice naked vote you have down there. Am I your "compromise" vote for today?

town fairy Godmother

also is this a drunk claim?

[Vorkuta]

You scared?

Yes, very

/s

I already gave a read

So far what I can tell: you TR everyone who's had a wagon on them (JPG/yourslot, Baezu, Creature) and you SR yours truly for initiating said wagons.

Do you have literally anything else for us?

[Vorkuta]

your wagon

Can I get this in English? Are you referring to my brief stint on the Titus wagon? Or the ever shrinking Zulfy wagon?

[Vorkuta]

Oh you meant the vork!wagon which has had HitAlt and Duck on it since ~7 vote counts ago.

You.... know that the Zulfy wagon is literally an inactivity (Beetlejuice) wagon which I started after the Creature inactivity wagon right?
FFS I TR's the guy back in #793 however he literally hasn't posted anything since then.

Also I invoke

but I honestly think it's possible that scum just gave up on trying to dictate the flow of the game and are just letting it happen. That especially makes sense because Zulfy's disappeared; the main reason I'm okay with this wagon at all is that I don't think his buddies would have the guts to try and save him today

[Vorkuta]

I'm also not happy with your obv!active lurking: you literally replied ~10 minutes after my vote and IGNORED the ~10 appeals/interactions/"come-play-with-us" prior posts.
However you're ramping up posts so keep it going.

Do you have literally anything else for us?

[Vorkuta]

why would scum give up dictating the flow

What even is this question? This implies that scum!anyone seeks to actively control the game state in D1, whereas I've been in quite a few games where this wasn't the case at all and scum just wanted to keep their head down and coast along.
Like S_S and DrEB

no shade intended

outright say that they have extremely slow and lazy D1 starts- your logic that "lazy D1 = give up dictating flow = town" is completely invalid.

Furthermore- I could argue that I my wagons help sort and encourage people to speak/say stuff.
Like you would've been fine just coasting to the end of D1 with.... "8" posts if I hadn't engaged you no?

[Vorkuta]

Lol. Active lurking

Spoiler:

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to to say or accuse you of anything. I hope your Mother's day gets better? They don't celebrate it here so I'm unaware

So you going to answer my question in 1245?

ninja'd

If Zulfy is town who is scum?

He sure as hell isn't town until he says literally anything in his defense.
I've given a link to my readlist ^. Your slot is slightly scumming it up tbh, but I'll rely on others to read you.

Either way, with ~24 hours left on the deadline, I don't think we have time for my personal scum!case of the day (HitAlt), so I'm trying to be pragmatic here and get people to speak up.

[Vorkuta]

So I imagine them laid back until threatened.

Am I ?

Also

if you feel like catching up

I got mad and scumread S_S for using exactly the same reasoning earlier on.
Waaaay back in #561.

ARGUABLY the Zulfy wagon isn't easy/smooth because no one's put it at L-1. It's not that no one is "defending him", but rather no one else is speaking up.
We have 4 people who aren't voting (k fine 3- FL wants the hammer) who are pretty much tunneling/brickwalling us.

Hmmm....
@LUV maybe..?

[Vorkuta]

Oooooh boy

[Vorkuta]

On that note, Titus replaces John Pierce Gantt! Thank yooooooou.

[Vorkuta]

Mandatory "Is this a PT-slip by Vorkuta?" -accusation time?

...I think Vorkuta doesn't know who Titus is...

Am I supposed to? Please spoonfeed me- should I feel blessed?

[Vorkuta]

They pushed me as scum who chose to kill my own partner in a recent game. Moon logic’s the meta now.

I mean.... I had support which made things worse

[Vorkuta]

@S_S & Zulfy
The Baezu wagon is just rude as she's in V/LA and can't respond

[Vorkuta]

Yes, but my inactivity wagon on you didn't go through.

However with the deadline pressure it seems that you actually INTEND to push this home.
But shoot....

[Vorkuta]

Also I don't remember you telling us/ seeing you marked as on leave so *shrugs*

[Vorkuta]

The Baezu attempt that I'm supporting and completely behind yes? That one?

[Vorkuta]

Assuming Zulfy claims an important PR and we all buy his stuff- what's going to happen EoD?

Why... does his play... sound familiar to me?

Hm...

[Vorkuta]

If town, Vork is scum.

Wtf
My wagon on him was an INACTIVITY WAGON that could've been {LUV/Baezu/Zulfy} and I'm not even on him now.

[Vorkuta]

Second, the only wagon you’ve actually ever been on this game is an inactivity wagon

My initial FL -> S_S push and now my "new" Titus wagon beg to differ (unsuccessful but still)

It appears very town without actually generating content, and that doesn’t sit well with me.

Welcome to D1 any!vork.....?
Like I don't have the gift/experience to "tonally" read people, so I do the next/only thing I'm capable of.
It's either that or blindly sheeping "random" town reads which has its own problems

[Vorkuta]

Scum would push V's wagon to claim to get another claim, regardless of Z's guilt or innocence. Instead, an aborted Baezu wagon appears and Z restarts

Uh.... Are you trying to say that town!Vork would have a wagon immediately after the Zulfy claim? And because there isn't any!vork wagon, this means scum!vork...? This makes... sense..?

Also WHY must there be scum in {Z/V/B} and not in the shade/background just casually sheeping/pushing/cashing in on their town reads?

[Vorkuta]

How does flippy -> voyeur in a previous game.... mean that zulfy is fake claiming voyeur this game...?

Flippy literally has 1 post in the game, and it sure as hell doesn't look like a "fake-claim crumb".

pedit- *grumbles*

[Vorkuta]

Doesn't the voyeur claim resolve itself later?
Like how is it pro!town to lynch a voyeur claim without a hard scumread on him?

@FL

Is this flippy discussion even allowed onsite?

[Vorkuta]

In a game where theres

a player

famous for using VCA to sort

Who is this? (please explain to the newbie)

My first impression is that this is Titus but please clarify.

[Vorkuta]

Ninja'd so hard lel

@FL No I mean

saying that he was excited for this game and DrEB can verify is outside... information?

Like idk what rules are so

Sidenote
This is probably the worst time to point out that LUV deserves a prod right?

[Vorkuta]

You not voting is detrimental.

To be fair his intent-to-hammer counts as a vote in my book- it just doesn't show up in the VC.

And in our previous game (the ones that keeps getting mentioned) S_S self-voted for the first ~1400 posts so.... he's scum for actually voting properly this game now?

/s

[Vorkuta]

@FL- idk I just don't want no trouble or nothin so I'm just asking

@Ausuka- realistically, can a Hitwagon go through today?
I want it to (I even voted him for a bit yaaay) but would it have enough support before the deadline?

VOTE: HitAltVOTE:

I also really want to case LUV/DrEB for just being NAI/low presence and Skellen for Skelleny things but meh

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: HitAlt

VOTE: HitAltVOTE:

Sorry mod

[Vorkuta]

Don’t vote Hit Alt.

*grumbles*
I can't have a titus wagon
I don't want a Baezu wagon as that's rude (But if you guys REALLY insist... I can get the scum!vibes from the slot)
Duck I also want, but no way it's going through
LUV.... maybe? But also borderline rude. scum!LUV > scum!Baezu IMHO but no where confident so this is more or less a lurker wagon
Zulfy resolves with his claim
Creature apparently solves by himself, but his ~4 pages worked on me
DrEB? Come on
FL/Ausuka/S_S/Skellen are my D1 town block (prolly infiltrated but...)

Technically "voting preference" not "read list" but enjoy ^

[Vorkuta]

So forgive if I don’t want Ausuka to be the main one pushing the lynch today. It has nothing to do with her play.

I can push the Hit!lynch for her instead
Pretend I'm the head of the wagon and Ausuka sheeped!

[Vorkuta]

Read Hit's scumPT with me in our previous game- this is exactly his play. I invoke meta/familiarity/nostalgia.

Shoot, Did I not actually ever vote for him previously?
Was too busy trying to engage lurkers to actually have voted scum. Dammit.

[Vorkuta]

-scum!hitalt: "rarely does well as scum unless he gets an early push in" from previous PT
-bottom half of #700 is entirely a setup to discredit FL (and I'm pretty sure he cherrypicked what to quote)
-lowesthangingfruit!vork push (same as previously)
Like he's different because he has catchup walls, and now.... but the tone and plays he's going for feel like my formerscum!buddy

Pushing scum!HitAlt

[Vorkuta]

I’m not a direct counterclaim, setup wise it makes this really weird, though.

I’m a mason miller Neighbor 1-shot BP cop vigilante.

Just remembered this sweet gem
It's the 1-shot BP isn't it

[Vorkuta]

Creature
Zulfy

Lil Uzi Vert

Flavor Leaf
Baezu
Something_Smart
Ausuka
James Brafin
Titus
Skellen
Vorkuta
Dr Easy Bake
HitAlt

I'm assuming it's up there with "please post LUV" but a tiny bit lower than Baezu
But it would be nice to confirm your thoughts on him