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VOTE: Montosh

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Oh wow wtf I thought this game just started and there's only one page and I voted Montosh off reading page 1

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Will start reading the rest

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VOTE: ceejay

Agree with the chicken. Wagon me guys.

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Nah sorry chicken, you caught the jester

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Uh I mean yeah you caught scum, you're so good now.

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VOTE: Alchemist21

Serious vote

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It's a joke vote. Except that it's not and it's actually serious.

[ceejayvinoya]

insomnia, sky, ceejay, urap

i want you to interact with me until you town read me because i want this to be the town block in the game that i'll work with

if there is a wolf between the above players it's prob only one and later we can reevaluate

Hi Rainn!

Are you town?

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Oh wow wtf I thought this game just started and there's only one page and I voted Montosh off reading page 1

TMI. Also lies.

VOTE: ceejay

Agree with the chicken. Wagon me guys.

Self-voting after first post is scummy.

Oh your read on me was serious.

I thought we were doing some collaborative trolling, tho my alch vote was still serious.

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I didn't lie there btw. And I don't see how self-voting after first post is scummy.

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He’s not approached the game at all so far.

I think I know how you play though so I’m not worried.

I have. Give me a good reason why town would ask this. You've seen this with me before roster.

Wtf is this game?

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CJ, are you taking a page out of shoshin's book from that newbie we just finished?

With the self vote, I mean

I actually took a page out of awestfie's

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=79391

I can see what you mean, though. I can assure you I won't copy someone's scum strat and use it on a game with someone who had seen it before.

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My last experience with CJ was him bailing out on Lynchpin when we chose him as the Lynchpin. His slot then went on to win mafia the game.

My opinion of the lesser Jay is not a strong one. Could be convinced to vote there.

I wasn't feeling well those days. Can you give me another chance?

If you meta me I'm sure you can find a game where I played well.

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-I’ve not.

This is in response to what?

-I can’t. Can you give me a good reason why scum would ask that?

I literally asked something very similar to that as scum on that game I linked. You were on it too.

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I wasn’t in that game. I’ve not seen it with you before (self-voting).

Something being scummy does not mean the person doing it is scum btw.

Ok but why does scum do it? Doesn’t seem at all AI to me.

Yeah sorry. I screwed that up.

Of course were not certain the person is scum. But I'd rather vote someone scummy than not.

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CJ’a scumreading me because I got annoyed with the shot that’s going on in this game. I still can’t tell if he’s actually serious or not either.

Annoyed town: "Stop that, you guys are annoying, why don't you do something, etc."

Scummy: "wtf is this game, wtf is going on here, what is this, etc."

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Wtf is this game?

scummy

Seeee. Sky gets it

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Oh wow wtf I thought this game just started and there's only one page and I voted Montosh off reading page 1

TMI. Also lies.

I mean you could substitute it with LAMIST. Absolutely no need to tell us all that, and it’s just an attempt to say ‘Oh I wasn’t paying any attention this game, yay town read me’

@roster maybe you can help me out here. At what point of my second post was I lamist exactly? Where did I ask to be town read there? I can't find it. Heeelp because I'm finding this sus.

And btw, I did need to tell that to explain my Montosh vote.

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Fuck that I don't like the Mon wagon, my gut is screaming that he'll flip town.

There is like no case against Mon whatsoever that I can see, except "hey we have cookies"

I'm kinda sore you guys just didn't flip alch and called it a day.

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I feel sorry for Ceejay.

Also I don't understand how anyone has any idea what's been happening.

Excuse me?

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Do what you like with mon I guess. Just leave me out of his wagon.

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Kindly point me where because right now I'm at what post are you all talking about?

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So me defending my townread on town!mon is scummy? Wtf

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I'm only right if I'm scum here?

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Fuck this group seriously. I can't play that way.

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I just got here.

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I'm posting based on the previous page with the switch to mon wagon from what I'm assuming is the alch wagon

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I think rainn is saying that you as scum don't defend scum!mon like that

and my understanding is that they are leaving the door open for you to either be town with a correct read or scum white knighting

That's where i'm at anyway

Yes this is what I can understand. What I'm pissed at is that I'm bwing confined to this read.

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I threw the Why is Mon scum question first can I kinfly get an answer to that? If I see those and I understand them I'll be happier

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I think rainn is saying that you as scum don't defend scum!mon like that

and my understanding is that they are leaving the door open for you to either be town with a correct read or scum white knighting

That's where i'm at anyway

Yes this is what I can understand. What I'm pissed at is that I'm bwing confined to this read.

I'm sorry, you're pissed that people are trying to read you based upon your posts and interactions with other players?

It's the town!mon = scum!me stuff that drives me nuts.

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See this is the stuff I wanted to see earlier that would get me to sus Mon.

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Can you define undercutting a read for me? Is it about making a read cheaper and seem less significant?

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@CJ So now, kindly, explain why Mon is town

I think I'm sold.

I didn't townread mon earlier. I was heavily concerned with how I wasn't seeing a why he is scum post at all and everyone was cool with it and going there.

Thanks for taking the time to explain tho.

VOTE: Montosh

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Huh. Out of curiosity why do you have a multitasking modifier?

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Well one of them is a Vigi and the other is a Neighborizor, so... Yeah I'll just come out and claim the last 2/3 roles.

Ceejay is the Neighborizor. And I'm our lovely Vigilante (one-shot. Good guess URAP).

Sky's the only unknown here.

Just to add to this.

I'm a

One-shot Loyal Neighborizer

so Bambi is confirmed town to me.

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One of the neighbours is scum then.

Anyone ever tell you you're an annoying fuck?

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Eh I completely understand that. I followed his lead too.

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Well, you better plan in advance as I am not mafia here. By the game play that roster adopted it kind of looks to me like his Fire and Ice mafia where he was scum by the way. Do what you will with that information.

Funny, but this is actually the same game I told Bambi on our pt.

A nice detail is he rvs voted his scum partner there.

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When was the last time ceejay was town and he lurked the whole game by the way?

I can point out several games. Not very proud of it either.

Not necessarily lurked out but I'm not exactly a heavy poster.

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IDK if I've played with town Ceejay.

Ice and fire

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If you didn’t town read Mon, why’d you not vote and you’re only voting when you’re forced by someone else to do so?

I wasn't forced. He didn't say "hey you, vote this guy". I asked around for a case on why Montosh is scum and when I got it and liked it I voted him.

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Alright then. Explain why I would neighborize and clear bambi as scum.

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Explain how the role works. I have arguments why but I want to hear an explanation as to how this role breaks down.

My role is a town one-shot loyal neighborizer.

Loyal means if I attempt to use my action on someone with a different alignment, it won't work.

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You sounded townie

Funny, but this is actually the same game I told Bambi on our pt.

A nice detail is he rvs voted his scum partner there.

This stinks.

There is plenty reason.

I don't know why this post offends you. It's my only experience with scum!you and it is relevant to me.

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Alright then. Explain why I would neighborize and clear bambi as scum.

This is a smart way to play it if you were arguing with an idiot. I won’t get into proposing a scenario that you would later on tear apart using wifom. You are setting yourself to look dominant in our conversations, this isn’t how you defend yourself. So how about you explain why you neighbourized Bambi from your PoV?

That's actually something I'd rather do.

Before Mon was hammered d1 Rainn did this poe of who he thinks mon's partner is if he flips scum, uzi vert, bambi, and one of you two. I assumed the uzi slot would sort itself out, thinking I'm not the only pr here, so I targeted bambi.

If my action had failed, that would mean bambi is scum like Rainn had tried to solve.

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Pedit: You didn’t mention it in the game thread yesterday.

Mention what?

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Because you could kill them tonight.

And btw, there are far townier slots than bambi, if we're going from d1.

This post gets a ??? from me.

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Because you could kill them tonight.

And btw, there are far townier slots than bambi, if we're going from d1.

This post gets a ??? from me.

And btw, there are far townier slots than bambi, if we're going from d1.

This post gets a ??? from me.

Yeah but then you wouldn’t be able to use your fakeclaim in them without it sounding susp.

It would have made far more sense to use it on Alch since that was the likely lynch.

Let me break this down into bite sized pieces.

You argue that I am a mafia neighborizer. Okay.

Then as that role, I decided to setup a fakeclaim as a loyal role and target someone not very towny.

This doesn't help me at all as scum. It's like asking scum to confirm a potential mislynch as town and then waste a nightkill on them.

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Sure. Try my best to get someone to tr me, then kill them. Apparently, that's also what I did with Rainn. Who cares about winning? Leave all the people who doubt you're town alive and pray they scumread each other hard enough to not get you lynched. Yeah let's do that.

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Yeah exactly. My point is pulling that stunt doesn't help me. It helps town. It doesn't clear me in any way or convince you to townread me. It just confirms me as a neighborizer. Plus confirm someone who is potentially mislynchable to be town.

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No it does help convince people your town.

For a start if you’re not multitasking what you did N1 was impossible. Also Elsa believing your conf town will sit with everyone.

But my suspicious side is raised when I see a ‘multitasking fruit vendor’ that you are multitasking.

There is clear motivation for Neighbourising Elsa if you’re scum.

Give me the motivation.

tell it to meeeee