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Post Post #297 (isolation #0) » Wed May 22, 2019 6:53 am

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im not a lurker im a man of mystery
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Post Post #301 (isolation #1) » Wed May 22, 2019 7:21 am

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every living person who's ever met me loves me
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Post Post #414 (isolation #2) » Thu May 23, 2019 4:44 pm

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flailing isnt real btw
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Post Post #431 (isolation #3) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:12 am

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i think i finally feel like reading this thread
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Post Post #433 (isolation #4) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:20 am

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i just found something more interesting to do but im gonna read this thread first anyway
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Post Post #435 (isolation #5) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:36 am

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sry schadd mattyp already pulled that trick on me years ago
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Post Post #437 (isolation #6) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:43 am

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In post 151, PenguinPower wrote:You know what’s cool? Not talking about rep outs.

That’s cool. Also cool is discussing things relevant to the game.
this post confuses me on so many levels
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Post Post #439 (isolation #7) » Fri May 24, 2019 6:28 am

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first replace-outs are plainly relevant to practically every game they happen in and second i can't really see how discussing replace-outs isn't almost always cool-neutral
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Post Post #441 (isolation #8) » Fri May 24, 2019 6:37 am

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In post 422, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 419, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:as it seems like he has site flaked.
as shit

VOTE: Psyche
nice pop-in
Now dance for us
you've gotta know that this kind of voteprod stuff never works when it's this transparent
but i suppose maybe you don't really gotta
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Post Post #443 (isolation #9) » Fri May 24, 2019 6:44 am

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CBD 130 comes off as a usable towntell. Redemption broke an important new rule about replacements on page 8 but his whole iso is a pretty easy town tell and honestly people not seeing that at this point come off as consequentially more suspicious to me, as they could easily be scum trying to keep the lynch as a live option. Vorkuta's 346 comes off as confident in a way I don't think scum would tend to deliberately convey, so I lean town him too, even though some of his posts suggest a degree of vanity.

A few users' isos hint at active lurking but I need to digest a little longer before I start throwing stones.

I generally don't like throwing around townreads instead of pointing at scum but that's where my head is atm and I understand that you guys are starving for content atm.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #10) » Fri May 24, 2019 6:44 am

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In post 442, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 439, Psyche wrote:first replace-outs are plainly relevant to practically every game they happen in and second i can't really see how discussing replace-outs isn't almost always cool-neutral
Slot repped out. We don't know why. Sure makes sense to discuss that!
There's uncertainty in everything someone does in this thread. That's what mafia is all about...
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Post Post #445 (isolation #11) » Fri May 24, 2019 6:46 am

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should've said ambiguity instead of uncertainty

but yeah - game is literally 100% all about generating and discussing interpretations ambiguous behaviors to make sense of the mental state of their actors
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Post Post #449 (isolation #12) » Fri May 24, 2019 6:56 am

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whether it's NAI is purely a matter of your own opinion though and is exactly what such speculation would serve to clarify
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Post Post #451 (isolation #13) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:00 am

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it's just grating to see people say wrong or at least debatable things as authoritatively as you have itt
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Post Post #454 (isolation #14) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:14 am

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it's crazy how there's nothing very alignment indicative in peng's really long iso

also, what is that gamma vote? another voteprod?
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Post Post #456 (isolation #15) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:17 am

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can you show me? i'm control-fing gamma and finding nothing
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Post Post #459 (isolation #16) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:20 am

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a very ordinary mix of douchey and useless
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Post Post #463 (isolation #17) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:27 am

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weird to see a skittle openly trolling in-game but ok
In post 291, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Let’s go here.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
In post 299, PenguinPower wrote:People who are nice don't play mafia.

VOTE: Gamma
In post 306, Detective Pikachu wrote:I like the sass in LUV's catchup

VOTE: Gam Gams
In post 334, Redemption wrote:
In post 81, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: MaryJoLisa
This feels like scum having trouble coming up with an entrance
That is probably the scummiest post in the game so far. It is referring to MaryJoLisa pointing out the three horsemen that actually lynched Schadd at the same time for no reason and calling it a scum entrance while she pointed out what no one had the balls to say.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
In post 319, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 269, Vorkuta wrote:VOTE: Gamma
Your posts were cooler/better/solvier in mixtape.
Idk felt like a gamma wagon
In post 346, Vorkuta wrote:Guys stahp
Also I'm happy w/ redemption's moonlogic.

VOTE: Gamma L-2, and kind reminder that I started this wagon
what am i supposed to do with this? all i have is redemption's newbielogic

i'm not the only one who doesn't understand what's behind this wagon; luckyotter asked a similar question and got the 319 post quoted above
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Post Post #464 (isolation #18) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:29 am

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In post 461, PenguinPower wrote:For some reason, I feel momentarily helpful.
In post 324, PenguinPower wrote:I like that it's a wagon.
In post 330, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 325, LuckyOtter wrote:I get moving the game along with wagons, but you were on a significant wagon at the time (5-person on MJL) and there were 2-person wagons going on me and Redemption as well, so there must have been something else that made you leave the MJL wagon and choose Gamma over others, no?
Sheeping LUV.
See how a ctrl+f of gamma would have brought up?
i guess we have different definitions of nothing
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Post Post #468 (isolation #19) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:33 am

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Okay, last question: what do you think D1 is for? What's a reasonable goal for D1?
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Post Post #471 (isolation #20) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:43 am

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It's just, I feel like since we're at page 19 it's the wrong time to talk about "early in D1". You seem like a reasonably confident person, you believe in your opinions more than a lot of other users here seem to believe in their opinions (I think we're both like that!). I'd expect someone with
both
your confidence and level of sustained engagement in the game to at this point be using your vote a bit more forcefully than to add to a wagon...

I dunno, maybe if I were here from page 1 to now, I'd have a better intuition about this. We did get to page 19 pretty quickly; I guess you think it's mostly useless fluff?
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Post Post #472 (isolation #21) » Fri May 24, 2019 7:49 am

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and im grateful that you showed me!
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Post Post #477 (isolation #22) » Fri May 24, 2019 11:47 am

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VOTE: PenguinPower

I don't really buy it. There's an overwhelming amount of real content around. I think this might be your scum game.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #23) » Fri May 24, 2019 11:48 am

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In post 465, schadd_ wrote:do u wanna vote detective pikachu with me i think the gamma vote you quoted was wolfy
is this one of those newfangled gut reads
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Post Post #487 (isolation #24) » Fri May 24, 2019 12:18 pm

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In post 481, PenguinPower wrote:Overwhelming amount of content!

:lol:
geez this is so awkward
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Post Post #490 (isolation #25) » Fri May 24, 2019 12:58 pm

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are you kidding?
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Post Post #491 (isolation #26) » Fri May 24, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 479, Not_Mafia wrote:Psyche that read is bad
yeah? why?
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Post Post #498 (isolation #27) » Fri May 24, 2019 2:20 pm

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town always seems default to just lynching a lurky and/or dumb guy on d1; it's such a waste of early energy
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Post Post #509 (isolation #28) » Fri May 24, 2019 4:22 pm

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my position is exact opposite of "D1 is boring let's hurry and end it" — rather i'm accusing yall of that
i think your DP and GE wagons along with the idea that there's not enough information in the thread to build any strong reads reflect defeatism about what D1 can do
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Post Post #511 (isolation #29) » Fri May 24, 2019 4:27 pm

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500 posts so far and coincidentally the "scummiest" players are the ones who've posted the least cmon
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Post Post #518 (isolation #30) » Fri May 24, 2019 4:42 pm

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active lurking is posting a lot without apparent effort to contribute anything toward the goal of finding/lynching scum; that conflict is often alignment-indicative because while the repeated posting suggests engagement with the game, a lack of effort to scumhunt suggests that such engagement isn't driven by an interest in finding/killing scum. Only good explanations I can think of for that are VIs and scum.

it's qualitatively distinct from unqualified lurking because no conflict like this really happens — a guy who isn't engaged in the game at all can be disengaged for any reason. It's NAI on its own.

honestly it's kind of weird to have to explain this. Before this post, did you not know what active lurking was?
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Post Post #519 (isolation #31) » Fri May 24, 2019 4:44 pm

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its not that you've advocated hurrying and ending D1 (i was just using that other guy's words) but rather that you're not really treating D1 like it's worth anything if you're just spending it voteprodding inactives
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Post Post #520 (isolation #32) » Fri May 24, 2019 4:49 pm

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feels like yall are treating 20 pages of content like the backend of rvs
it's crazy and for at least one of you who should know better (PP) i think it's deliberate
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Post Post #524 (isolation #33) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:00 pm

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if ur town and just spend the rest of the Day sheeping weaksauce until the town mislynches some nobody on page 40 im gonna shame you either on D2 or in the postgame
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Post Post #525 (isolation #34) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:01 pm

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In post 522, schadd_ wrote:could you lodge complaints at specific people? the only person you're really engaging with is pp who you've decided is dishonest

i don't really see this criticism at all and if i did i dont see how it's actionable for anyone
this DP wagon, this GE wagon
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Post Post #528 (isolation #35) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:04 pm

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In post 523, LuckyOtter wrote:@Psyche: Not sure if you're talking to me, but yes I understand what active lurking is and was trying to say that it has recently become a viable strategy again. Hence my vote on LUV. Do you disagree with that assessment?

I also asked you about MJL. What's your read?
if you know that active lurking is categorically different from regular lurking then how do you call my comments "a bit disingenuous"? it reads like you're reaching to make me seem more self-contradictory than i am
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Post Post #529 (isolation #36) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:05 pm

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In post 527, schadd_ wrote:
Psyche wrote:
In post 522, schadd_ wrote:could you lodge complaints at specific people? the only person you're really engaging with is pp who you've decided is dishonest

i don't really see this criticism at all and if i did i dont see how it's actionable for anyone
this DP wagon, this GE wagon
what are things that people on those wagons should do
focus your attention and analysis on people who are playing the game
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Post Post #531 (isolation #37) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:12 pm

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beyond simply being more experienced and therefore being someone who "should know better", penguinpower's passivity w/ respect to scumhunting contradicts his personality to a degree i don't see in other players i'm criticizing
he comes off as a pretty forceful guy and has been pretty forceful itt, but when it comes to the work of finding scum he's a sheep
players like schadd and uzi have had just as much information to work with here as he has, but even if i don't like their tracks they manage to start and focus conversations around scumhunting in a way he doesn't
the follower routine just doesn't match my read of him as a person, his professed humility about what's possible 20 pages into a game be damned
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Post Post #535 (isolation #38) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:20 pm

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i suppose that parses ok
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Post Post #536 (isolation #39) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:22 pm

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In post 532, schadd_ wrote:
In post 529, Psyche wrote:
In post 527, schadd_ wrote:
Psyche wrote:
In post 522, schadd_ wrote:could you lodge complaints at specific people? the only person you're really engaging with is pp who you've decided is dishonest

i don't really see this criticism at all and if i did i dont see how it's actionable for anyone
this DP wagon, this GE wagon
what are things that people on those wagons should do
focus your attention and analysis on people who are playing the game
who that is currently voting dp (which seems to be prompting this thought) isn't doing that

i am

performer's post where he votes pikachu is trying to sort someone else as well

ditto cdb

penguin you think is scum, and is also engaging with present people
oh by attention/analysis, i lowkey mean votes, i lowkey mean find scum among the people who have made enough posts to be readable, i lowkey mean wagon penguindude with me
see it all comes together
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Post Post #538 (isolation #40) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:25 pm

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change your townread into a scumread and your scumread into a nullread
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Post Post #541 (isolation #41) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:28 pm

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i wanna be more fun
you guys know, im actually a pretty fun guy
schadd knows
tell them, schadd!

pedit: very probably town; if he turns out to be scum i'll be super impressed by his 130
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Post Post #544 (isolation #42) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:40 pm

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like, to write 130 as scum he'd have to really put himself into the mindset of a townie not just beholding the challenge before him; he'd have to anticipate not just the intense distress - a potent mix of frustration, desperation, and hopelessness - someone in his veterany position might feel having to deal with the current meta of gimmicks and spam, but also the kinds of constructive action he might pursue in such a situation under such emotional duress

It really does set up a great explanation for his diluted activity/apparent interest in the game going forward, but hypothetical scum CBD isn't satisfied in just resting on his lurky laurels. He engages with the game, generates and shares substantive and decently reasoned observations about more than just a few slots and their prospects as reads. If he is scum this game he probably already deserves the win. But he's not.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #43) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:42 pm

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im trying really hard can you tell
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Post Post #547 (isolation #44) » Fri May 24, 2019 5:51 pm

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don't worry i do something like this in all the games i replace into
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Post Post #549 (isolation #45) » Fri May 24, 2019 6:17 pm

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i have to put off reading mjl for a little while longer
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Post Post #564 (isolation #46) » Sat May 25, 2019 11:46 am

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ooh colors
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Post Post #573 (isolation #47) » Sat May 25, 2019 12:50 pm

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i'd bet loads of money that he's town if it wouldn't bring outside influences into the game
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Post Post #575 (isolation #48) » Sat May 25, 2019 4:27 pm

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wow nothing happened today
is the thread just gonna die down again if i don't stir the pot some more
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Post Post #603 (isolation #49) » Sat May 25, 2019 5:24 pm

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In post 577, PenguinPower wrote:Btw...post 130 has no AI content in it.
ur the opposite of right
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Post Post #604 (isolation #50) » Sat May 25, 2019 5:27 pm

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In post 577, PenguinPower wrote:I have a problem with the defeatist "if scum he should win" crapola.
it's not so much defeatist as prospectively impressed
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Post Post #606 (isolation #51) » Sat May 25, 2019 5:32 pm

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if yall don't get it yall don't get it
helps me understand why you don't have any reads this far in the game that's for sure
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Post Post #608 (isolation #52) » Sat May 25, 2019 5:37 pm

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ive explained the read at least two times already
by spoonfeed do you mean like quote the posts from my iso?
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Post Post #610 (isolation #53) » Sat May 25, 2019 5:52 pm

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CBD's 130 comes off as town to me because it seems to suggest a basic motive to find/lynch scum but not like in the straightforward way I expect scum to usually to take when they want to convince people they're town — not by like asking questions / pushing a wagon or just calling out anti-town play, though his post has that, but by negotiating internal conflict *through* all that. There's a mix of complicated emotions in there that I don't think scum could easily fake. I don't think CBD would've made it the same way if he were scum, even if he were trying to convey the same ideas. It would've been a much more forgettable, one-dimensional post.

Someone could come in tomorrow and claim a guilty cop result on him and I'd vote the claimed cop.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #54) » Sat May 25, 2019 5:54 pm

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In post 609, Vorkuta wrote:Also your penguin scumread justification is literally TL;DR "he's lazy D1"
no it's not
he's plainly not lazy — rather, he's overconfident and forceful; the contradiction between that and the kinds of contributions he's made to the game as well as his voting patterns are why he's scummy
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Post Post #612 (isolation #55) » Sat May 25, 2019 5:58 pm

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There's a basic but relatively intricate coherence between personality, behavior, and a hypothetical town win condition in CBD's iso that I don't think comes through in PP's for the reasons I reviewed in 611. My PP read isn't at all as strong as my CBD read, but it's something I feel I gotta be outspoken about since a lot a people are acting like those issues aren't there.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #56) » Sat May 25, 2019 6:09 pm

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He's just as confused as the rest of yall, but the rest of yall have reliably exhibited way more initiative through most of this game. And again, at the same time, he definitely has the most forceful/opinionated personality of all of you - and arguably is among the most engaged. It'd be NAI if it were someone else, but the behavior doesn't match my read of the kind of person he is.
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Post Post #617 (isolation #57) » Sat May 25, 2019 6:25 pm

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oh and ur more likely town than not because of your 346 line reminding people you started the wagon
i just don't think scum would remember at that moment and in that way to pretend they want credit for the wagon
and yeah there's a lot else in your iso that i could point to to justify the read bigger but just like 310 this is where the lightbulb went off
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Post Post #618 (isolation #58) » Sat May 25, 2019 6:28 pm

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by initiative i mean broadly he hasn't really *pushed* anything. Even when he's joined wagons he's done so very passively - using noncomittal language, only volunteering rationales when solicited, and so on. Just very go-with-the-flow. And I can pull up a few big examples of not-laidback-at-allness if I gotta.
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Post Post #620 (isolation #59) » Sat May 25, 2019 6:46 pm

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no
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Post Post #658 (isolation #60) » Sun May 26, 2019 6:17 am

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it's true that DP's posts are uninspiring
but i can't really get a read off any of it
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Post Post #673 (isolation #61) » Sun May 26, 2019 7:40 am

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no schadd u can't
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Post Post #679 (isolation #62) » Sun May 26, 2019 8:10 am

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it shouldn't count
i dont know who the fuck danny devito is
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Post Post #720 (isolation #63) » Sun May 26, 2019 1:18 pm

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In post 717, chennisden wrote:I mean you're town so
ud better explain that read
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Post Post #731 (isolation #64) » Sun May 26, 2019 1:41 pm

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can u also say some things that aren't mediocre
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Post Post #742 (isolation #65) » Sun May 26, 2019 1:51 pm

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UNVOTE:

ooh boy that's a thinker
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Post Post #763 (isolation #66) » Sun May 26, 2019 3:59 pm

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In post 752, chennisden wrote:hmm

UNVOTE: Penguin Power
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Post Post #764 (isolation #67) » Sun May 26, 2019 4:01 pm

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let's lynch chenn
i havent thought it through yet but ive just got a hunch
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Post Post #777 (isolation #68) » Sun May 26, 2019 4:38 pm

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it feels like they're trying really hard to do the "spontaneous town" routine
also if the pp wagon wasn't on scum it was a pretty attractive honeypot imo
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Post Post #851 (isolation #69) » Mon May 27, 2019 8:49 pm

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would help explain your iso
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Post Post #904 (isolation #70) » Wed May 29, 2019 8:14 am

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mjl do you have any intuitions about the difference bt your town and scum game
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Post Post #916 (isolation #71) » Wed May 29, 2019 9:59 am

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ooh maybe i should sic modbot on this thread
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Post Post #917 (isolation #72) » Wed May 29, 2019 10:00 am

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why do i suggest i do things i'm too lazy to ever do
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Post Post #933 (isolation #73) » Wed May 29, 2019 1:08 pm

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In post 921, Performer wrote:
In post 904, Psyche wrote:mjl do you have any intuitions about the difference bt your town and scum game
why would you ask mary about her meta differences... :roll:
to see if she'd tell me
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Post Post #971 (isolation #74) » Thu May 30, 2019 8:59 am

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are you kidding
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Post Post #974 (isolation #75) » Thu May 30, 2019 9:10 am

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it's so annoying
yall acted like 8 days was forever and now you're rushing because of 2
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Post Post #976 (isolation #76) » Thu May 30, 2019 9:11 am

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In post 973, schadd_ wrote:kind of baffled by cdb seeming to just flake
don't know why
super clear from his early posts that he's regretted his decision to queue in
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Post Post #980 (isolation #77) » Thu May 30, 2019 9:17 am

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new roles don't forbid speculation at all...
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Post Post #981 (isolation #78) » Thu May 30, 2019 9:18 am

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i think chenn is an ok lynch
haven't really taken the time to re-read things one last time yet though
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Post Post #987 (isolation #79) » Thu May 30, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 982, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 974, Psyche wrote:it's so annoying
yall acted like 8 days was forever and now you're rushing because of 2
In post 981, Psyche wrote: haven't really taken the time to re-read things one last time yet though
they dont contradict at all...
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Post Post #988 (isolation #80) » Thu May 30, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 982, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 974, Psyche wrote:it's so annoying
yall acted like 8 days was forever and now you're rushing because of 2
In post 981, Psyche wrote: haven't really taken the time to re-read things one last time yet though
they dont contradict at all...
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Post Post #992 (isolation #81) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:12 am

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In post 990, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 988, Psyche wrote:
In post 982, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 974, Psyche wrote:it's so annoying
yall acted like 8 days was forever and now you're rushing because of 2
In post 981, Psyche wrote: haven't really taken the time to re-read things one last time yet though
they dont contradict at all...
I disagree
how'd you come to be such a boring person
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Post Post #1041 (isolation #82) » Thu May 30, 2019 11:38 am

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In post 1028, Detective Pikachu wrote:I think your flail from being pushed by the day's consensus lynch is remarkable.
still not a thing!
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Post Post #1042 (isolation #83) » Thu May 30, 2019 11:39 am

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think everyone who's posted in the last few pages are probably town
who does that leave?
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #84) » Thu May 30, 2019 11:40 am

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i guess i have luv chenn pp
but that doesn't seem right, huh?
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #85) » Thu May 30, 2019 11:41 am

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I suppose I'm a bit thrown off. A chenn lynch might help clear things up. 2 in 13 isn't unimaginable I suppose.
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #86) » Thu May 30, 2019 11:49 am

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still don't know who danny devito is
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #87) » Thu May 30, 2019 8:44 pm

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weird couple of posts
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #88) » Fri May 31, 2019 8:15 am

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In post 1103, Performer wrote:thinking aloud: the above with "i guess i have luv chenn pp" along with the past # of pgs between nm/mary/etc and looking at the vcs, make me wonder about a luv, redem, psyche, nm, cdb type of team.
thats five people
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #89) » Fri May 31, 2019 8:16 am

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Also in case there is a vig, I really think you guys are still understating the town case for lots of slots, especially CDB. Use your heads and don't think so one-dimensionally.
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #90) » Fri May 31, 2019 9:43 am

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if you think they're scum what does waiting for the replace do
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #91) » Fri May 31, 2019 10:02 am

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you
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Post Post #1118 (isolation #92) » Fri May 31, 2019 12:17 pm

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In post 1114, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 1099, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1098, schadd_ wrote:i dont think either of them would push against UB but i wouldnt expect either to suggest it
Agree. I reviewed Mini Normal 1983 with both of them and it was included (mafia aligned).
I don't get Performer's stance there, but I'm not sure it's scummy? I would prefer him to answer my questions.
I don't know if it's scummy or not, but Performer's knowledge of this game seems to boil down to claimed knowledge of the type of game undisclosed reviewers, RC and Mastina, would approve and *reasons he won't go into* as stated in posts and

Performer has had no wagons on him so far and I think we should try this on for size: VOTE: Performer
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #93) » Fri May 31, 2019 12:23 pm

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ok so why is mjl town starting a wagon on someone for doing something she doesn't "know if it's scummy or not" 45 pages into the game and with ~2-3 days to deadline
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #94) » Fri May 31, 2019 12:24 pm

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it's harmless but hmm
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #95) » Fri May 31, 2019 12:48 pm

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In post 1127, schadd_ wrote:also how did i know you would continue to not be voting as we approach 24 hr
isnt deadline frozen?
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #96) » Fri May 31, 2019 12:50 pm

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In post 1128, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 1124, Psyche wrote:ok so why is mjl town starting a wagon on someone for doing something she doesn't "know if it's scummy or not" 45 pages into the game and with ~2-3 days to deadline
I think pushing a wagon on someone who is raising my alarm bells is the right thing to do to sort the player.
can you explain why? can you explain what do you think is going to happen because of your vote?
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #97) » Fri May 31, 2019 12:52 pm

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i mean you said in the same post that you don't even know if what he did is scummy
is that supposed to put some sort of pressure on him?
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Post Post #1135 (isolation #98) » Fri May 31, 2019 1:01 pm

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"isn't that kinda defeating the point?" is low key exactly what im asking
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #99) » Fri May 31, 2019 1:02 pm

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also why do we want to fish for power role claims?
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #100) » Fri May 31, 2019 3:54 pm

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I'm fine with a chenn lynch but it also feels too much like a free lunch, yknow? I need more...tension.
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #101) » Fri May 31, 2019 4:45 pm

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im not clear enough on the votecount or why you rub me the wrong way to vote you
i want all of my votes to be pregnant with purpose and meaning
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #102) » Fri May 31, 2019 4:48 pm

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its more like i was suspicious of the penguin vote's timing
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #103) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:54 pm

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i'd be open i guess
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #104) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:16 pm

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my gut now says chenn is genuine and town
but it's just a gut
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Post Post #1269 (isolation #105) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:39 pm

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In post 1265, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1264, Psyche wrote:my gut now says chenn is genuine and town
but it's just a gut
You're being fooled. This is caught scum.
can't wait to see who's right
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #106) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:51 pm

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In post 1216, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: chenn

Cdb!slot is definitely town.
also, no shit!
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #107) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:55 pm

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there's a certain lightness to chenn's posts that seems reassuring but overall i still don't have a good personality read on him yet; every post is just always a bit too sparse and even awkward
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #108) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:17 pm

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In post 703, chennisden wrote:hi i am replacing gamma emerald
mmmm after reflecting on it i'm willing to stake all my confidence in current and future reads on a chenn townread
it's unfortunate that i'm struggling to find the right words explaining why, though

i'll try — i guess the gist is that if you do accept the premise that chenn is rather deeply incompetent as others itt seem to have implicitly, then in my intuition his scumplay as a novice shouldn't really look like this per se but either be more confident / less reflective OR more sparse/reactive — in either case quite a bit more rigid. I'm seeing here a mix of fluidity and contemplation that just doesn't match an incompetent scum read, which seems like the only possible kind of scumread at this point after that "oh i thought i was hammered episode". I'm finding it hard to believe that it was a really hamfisted scumslip as nom suggested rather than, like, what happens when someone who's taking the game super casually skims the thread too quickly. I myself as someone also pretty intermittently engaged atm w/ the details of the game had the intuition that many more people were voting chenn before I saw the mod's votecount. This read of his posting matches with the kind of personality he exhibited with his hackneyed catch-up style after he replaced in and other foibles. It feels a lot more coherent than a "he's scum" interpretation of his behavior.

I think chenn is probably just a distraction. Rather like N_M when N_M is town.
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #109) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:43 pm

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you'd be suprised
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #110) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:00 pm

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Decision feedback is so slow - and really ambiguous, too; it seems more trouble than it's worth to try to improve at this game by playing it. Better approach might just be blind read-throughs of D1s, recording one's reads, and then peeking at outcome. Rn all I really want to do w respect to this game is find whether the read approach I've chosen for it is totally off-base or not and I might not know for like a month or more. That kind of timescale is untenable; my skill might as well be static. My interests might just not be well-suited for slow deadline play.
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Post Post #1352 (isolation #111) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:40 am

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reads lists are useless without rationales
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #112) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 am

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at the very best they just help sort the guy who shared them
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Post Post #1363 (isolation #113) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:24 am

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why are your standards so low
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #114) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:36 pm

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i have a lot of townreads and that means i can lynch a lurker
who is lurking? LUV?
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Post Post #1475 (isolation #115) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:03 pm

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In post 1469, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1468, Psyche wrote:i have a lot of townreads and that means i can lynch a lurker
who is lurking? LUV?
Pretty bad idea if you ask me, is there any reason to lynch a lurker over problematic slots?
i can sort the other ones!
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #116) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:19 am

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your reads are surface-level, performer
you'd do better to think in terms of motives and personalities than behavioral patterns left unlinked to psychological states
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Post Post #1543 (isolation #117) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:21 am

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that's a flaw
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Post Post #1545 (isolation #118) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:23 am

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a maybe interesting thing is that your scum and town read seem pretty neatly divided between behavior and motive/personality reads, respectively
i suppose it's the nature of the game's difficulty
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #119) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:37 am

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I've helped the team generate loads of alignment-indicative content and figure out reads. I definitely have a lazy streak but it's a fool's errand to cultivate townreads based on how much someone's done anyway. Besides, as far as yall know you're just as far from successfully finding and lynching scum as I am.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #120) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:46 am

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btw its insane and sad how low yall's standards are for n_m
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #121) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:47 am

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performer you're misrepresenting me by selectively quoting my comments on chenn so as make them seem unsubstantial
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #122) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:48 am

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in general your idea that i don't extensively talk about reported my reads paired w the overall shallowness of your read explanation has given me the sense that you've given my iso surprisingly little analysis given where your vote is laying
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Post Post #1558 (isolation #123) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:01 am

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exactly, quick skim
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Post Post #1566 (isolation #124) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:11 am

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im on mobile right now but once i'm back out of working hours yall are getting some SERVICE with a SMILE
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Post Post #1567 (isolation #125) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:12 am

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In post 1565, Performer wrote:Also I don't know if this was said already but psyche needs to be vigged if he does not die.
loss would be on your hands
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #126) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:13 am

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would really welcome the opportunity to rub chenntown in ya'll's faces when he flips
almost willing to hammer the guy just for the experience
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Post Post #1571 (isolation #127) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:20 am

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i never derive sexual satisfaction from playing this game and you can quote me on that going forward
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #128) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:36 am

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all my reads are either town or null atm, though i suppose i still lean scum on pp
until i get a good handle on things i'm just gonna keep trying to shoot down wagons on my townreads and being open to ones on my nulls
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #129) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:57 am

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all your reads lists are in code and come with no explanation
not to mention that they're wrong
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #130) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:58 am

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honestly i can't even tell if they're wrong im not gonna bother decoding them
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #131) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:31 am

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self-impression atm is that i tend to have accurate reads when i have them and my main trouble is playing effectively when i don't
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Post Post #1587 (isolation #132) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:21 pm

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In post 1584, PenguinPower wrote:I prefer a Chenn lynch but will not accept a no lynch. Anyone on the Pika wagon willing to vote Chenn speak up please.

Psyche and LUV do something with your vote.
VOTE: Performer!
bc i aint putting anyone at L-1
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Post Post #1589 (isolation #133) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:26 pm

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no chenn's in my town pool keep up
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #134) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:05 pm

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In post 1595, Performer wrote:
In post 1566, Psyche wrote:im on mobile right now but once i'm back out of working hours yall are getting some SERVICE with a SMILE
In post 1587, Psyche wrote:
In post 1584, PenguinPower wrote:I prefer a Chenn lynch but will not accept a no lynch. Anyone on the Pika wagon willing to vote Chenn speak up please.

Psyche and LUV do something with your vote.
VOTE: Performer!
bc i aint putting anyone at L-1
I'm very disappointed :igmeou:
i got invited on a date to the movies
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #135) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:26 pm

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do mods even read the games they mod
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Post Post #1616 (isolation #136) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:27 pm

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think i'll VOTE: Detective Pikachu unreflectively
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Post Post #1649 (isolation #137) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:18 am

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In post 1645, schadd_ wrote:
In post 1643, Vorkuta wrote:Or I was
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Also as the first person to doubt the ub claim.... no
super willing to take credit for a flip that hasnt happened yet
not his first time
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #138) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:21 am

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think vorkuta's as decidedly town as cbd
hope our hypothetical vig has a brain
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #139) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:55 am

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what a messy D1
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #140) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:30 am

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if dp flips scum i'll consider that a success for my scumhunting strategy but in the end i'll always be dissatisfied until i have a process for generating positive scumreads over just sorting people as town and null
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Post Post #1666 (isolation #141) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:31 am

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do all those people happen to townread you
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Post Post #1690 (isolation #142) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:26 pm

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feel like only scum would be helped if i didn't underscore that schadd claimed a pr earlier
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #143) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:45 pm

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i have to make content somehow! conflict drives the game!
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Post Post #1711 (isolation #144) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:12 pm

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In post 1708, chennisden wrote:n m is grate
i agree with this spelling!
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #145) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:45 pm

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I WAS RIGHT ABOUT CHENN
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Post Post #1728 (isolation #146) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:46 pm

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so what happened? the vig bite off more than he could chew?
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #147) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:17 pm

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i dont think we need claims rn to make sense of N1 unless someone's copped scum or something
if someone needs to claim later they'll claim later
keeping whatever info we have to ourselves gives scum fewer options later when/if they're under pressure
besides we can already do a lot with the DP flip

pedit: yeah honestly if you're a pgo, interesting call pls claim
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Post Post #1747 (isolation #148) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:24 pm

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why schadd
why did you have to use that spoiler tag
what am i gonna do now
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Post Post #1802 (isolation #149) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:24 pm

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In post 1764, PenguinPower wrote:LUV is town. moving on.
plz just get on record as having a pr if ur gonna do this
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Post Post #1807 (isolation #150) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:41 pm

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In post 1804, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1802, Psyche wrote:
In post 1764, PenguinPower wrote:LUV is town. moving on.
plz just get on record as having a pr if ur gonna do this
Psyche can you not?
who does the ambiguity serve?
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #151) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:45 pm

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im just saying, if we can clear pp and luv today june 8 2019 then the game is solved; we just have to sort mjl and performer
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Post Post #1813 (isolation #152) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:38 pm

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schadd can you explain the vorkuta placement on ur reads list i don't get it at all
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #153) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:15 pm

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redemption again not following the replacement rule
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #154) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:18 am

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Post Post #1849 (isolation #155) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:05 am

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write a wall post i can always find a way to quibble with those
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Post Post #1855 (isolation #156) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:04 pm

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i promise one wallpost before the day is up
come everyone join me in my pledge
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Post Post #1868 (isolation #157) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:13 am

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is that a common thing players do
maybe i could write a script for it
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Post Post #1877 (isolation #158) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:43 pm

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sorry who is that pisskop replacing
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Post Post #1898 (isolation #159) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:21 pm

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dont answer it bob it's a trick question
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Post Post #1916 (isolation #160) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:30 pm

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i whiffed a few towntells from him he's fine
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Post Post #1918 (isolation #161) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:52 pm

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one day you will recognize my talents
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Post Post #1939 (isolation #162) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:01 pm

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what would be the point
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Post Post #1942 (isolation #163) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:55 pm

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PenguinPower wrote:Geez - it's almost as if I asked that because there was a point.
and that would be..?
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #164) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:11 pm

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i got the fruit!
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Post Post #1953 (isolation #165) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:19 pm

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felt more thrilling to keep it a secret than to disclose but just as pointless either way
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #166) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:21 pm

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why is it so hard to just get
excited
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ideologically i find this tendency a sign of weakness, of closemindedness
a consequence of limited contemplation and limited imagination
but here i am all the same so bored
even on the edge
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #167) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:35 pm

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are you admitting to lying about that here
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #168) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:26 pm

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HYPOCRITE
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #169) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:16 am

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when i get my votecount bot fixed ima use it on this thread too
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Post Post #2089 (isolation #170) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:04 am

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not exactly clear on the existing claims atm, but atm my sentiment is that i'll lynch whichever of these i get the opportunity to barring discovery of compelling claims
how surprising that LUV's been here all game!
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #171) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:44 am

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why is it scummy?
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Post Post #2102 (isolation #172) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:48 pm

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when i grow up i wanna be someone who cares 100% about everything he decides to spend time on
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Post Post #2112 (isolation #173) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:56 pm

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i can't remember for sure but i remember thinking luckyotter was likely town
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #174) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:24 pm

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ima test that idea once i have the technology
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Post Post #2143 (isolation #175) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:10 pm

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i just don't have any big preference
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Post Post #2145 (isolation #176) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:21 pm

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i posted a pool a while ago
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Post Post #2149 (isolation #177) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:00 am

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replacing out
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Post Post #2170 (isolation #178) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:03 pm

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you would've gotten a deadline extension for the replace out
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