Mini Normal 2073: ~ramblings~ (game over)

[UnaBombaH]

It's way too late and veer in Fi land. I'll post tomorrow at some point.
I am HitAlt, and just got tired of playong o. AN alt.
I'm gonna tryhard from here on out. Obviously not now because Im drunk, but after. Maybe su day.
I think there's so wthing fishy about the all the fruits around

[UnaBombaH]

VT.
Hangover.
But simple VT.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll read the claimage properly when I feel better tonight.
Sorry for my unprofessional drunk posting.

[UnaBombaH]

@Una:
Well, since you have claimed now... what was up with #1794 and #2387?

Sure.

I might

not

have a result.
Gonna read Ausukas ISO when I get home.

Well, like said, I didn't have a result.
It was half and half of me baiting a kill my way (because I didn't feel like I could do any meaningful solving) and for the small chance that I could get some other type of a reaction from my scumleans.
I didn't think it was worth it to pursue that Avenue or turn it into a serious gambit once the claims and results started to pour in, so I guess that was that.

Succinct my result was that no one targeted you.

I'll be returning to this tomorrow, no good will come from me pushing on it today.

I still want this.
I got curious of

WHAT WAS THE EXACT RESULT HE GOT, AND WHETHER IT WOULD EVEN BE DISTINGUISHABLE FROM A ROLEBLOCKED RESULT.

Obv. asking that yesterday might have affected scums night actions in the scenario where they have a roleblocker.

[UnaBombaH]

I already know what type of a claim Vork is going to add there..
So, do I finally get my wish and Vork with some rope?

VOTE: Vorkuta

[UnaBombaH]

L-1.
And you know there's still intent left.

[UnaBombaH]

I really need to reread what I just read (tired from work), but I sort of think these mechanical "clears" can't be as 100% as they seem to be.
And even if the result matches with reality (apparently inno on me?), I think scum will be amongst the people who will eventually push for the roleblocker-angle.
Not because it's necessarily wrong, but because scum can't let this many conf.towns through at this point of the game, or they will lose to PoE every time.
I'll try and wrap my head around all of this soon enough.

And I know this is corny coming from me of all people, but we can't succumb to paranoia now.
We either need to trust the results given, or disregard them completely and focus on day-play.
There can't be any middle-ground because that will only muddy things up.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm rather busy for the rest of this week (my sister is finally getting married, and apparently it's sort of expected of me to be there so..?)
But on the other hand, I'm actually able to take a 2-week vacation starting next Monday!

[UnaBombaH]

I just realized ^^that might mean nothing without more context, but what I was trying to convey, is that I'll try to do my best and do some rereads and likely some separate ISOs starting next week.

I was sort of tunneled on my initial gutread on Vork, so now I barely have any idea what his scumflip means in terms of my other reads.
I also find it interesting that Zulfy/FL both seem to be scumleaning(?) each other, yet it's their combined results that should (??) give us at least some "investigation" results.

[UnaBombaH]

..and prod has been received.
I'll post today once my hangover starts go ease.

[UnaBombaH]

I guess Unah’s been mia, though. Idk if that’s scum indicative. It might be.

It's party/booze indicative.
I've been suffering from the worst hangover of my life ö

I find it weird you'd even humor the idea of my activity being AI at all. You of all people know better.

[UnaBombaH]

Well, I was hoping for a bit more from Una.

Starting my catchup now.

[UnaBombaH]

Some food regarding Vork/Zulfy is imo #1203, where Vork asks what to do if Zulfy turns out to be a PR. Zulfy was at L-2 at that time and during his D1 inactivity phase before Zulfy showed up and claimed for the first time he was a PR. Before that we already got that (#1190) from Vork where he was nervous of a premature hammer on Zulfy (well and Titus). Zulfy's #1295 also fits well in it, even although he voted Vork just three posts later out of survivalism.

This seems like decent work.
I should be reading full individual ISOs to actually get back into the game I think, but unless my memory is completely messed up, people tended to lean on scum!Skellen?
Why?

I am a little afraid I have entered a Zulfy/Una tunnel at this point, but still.

Wait what?

What is imo interesting between Vork and Una is that Vork began at one point to scumread Una, but never really did anything about it.

Probably afraid that I'd go full deathtunnel on him?
I've been very inactive for most of this game already, but he knows the type of shit I do once I get a hold of a solid scumread.
I'd assume he was content with me having a scumlean on him as long as I wasn't provoked to do the full effort of scumcasing him.

Another point regarding Una himself. I didn't understood the Succinct lynch on D2, in fact besides FL no one really gave a reason why they lynched Succinct.

To be honest, I don't remember my reasoning either.

He said he would like to lynch him over me (although my points also went down and there was already a wagon on me).

?
If this was the case, then I'm not that surprised? I think you and James were my strongest initial townreads, and probably thought you were a competing wagon (mislynch) pushed by scum.

occam's razor says FL's claim is just town unless scum had info about the loyal fv ahead of time or it was a gambit to get SS to out themselves that just happened to synergize with the loyal fv

As much as I dislike the idea that I'll have to trust FL based on a claim (any claim for that matter), I think I'll just have to agree with this.

He probably couldn’t narrow down who scum was so he got paranoid and thought I was scum pulling a fast one.

I have a huge problem with believing both you and Zulfy are town. Balance. How do scum win a setup like that?

I must've missed something because I don't understand this statement at all.
Aren't they a Vouyeuyer+Disloyal FV?
How is that "too strong" even in a scenario where scum have three goons?
And considering that if scum have any roleblocking capabilities, they can just take that synergy away..right?

Once myself or SS claimed, if scum have a Roleblocker, we essentially become useless. Voyeur can semi handle that, but I think we were closer to a breaking strategy moreso, but that relies on zulfytown to be a breaking strategy.

Exactly.
And these past few posts makes me lean more towards town!FL as well.

Ok my initial pass says don't lynch Skellen or Unabomber.

UnaB is town here, yes.

Also, Vorkuta stated last game in Musicals he wanted the bragging rights of beating me in his first scum game. That didn’t happen, so this was a revenge like game for him.

He made me lose my conftown, and then his partner is probably pushing me or chopping at me now.

I can actually see Vork trying something like this!

[UnaBombaH]

If Flavor or Zulfy is scum, one of them had to fuck up the claim situation. My VC says not Skellen or Una tentatively. If this flips scum and FL and Zulfy agree to target the same person, it's gg.

So far this still seems like the best post though.
Not sure if it's ever going to be this easy/simple though.

..and if it's "simple", it would be FL+DEB?

Here's the situation. My tentative VCA says no Skellen or Una. Sky is a Mason. You and Zulfy self-resolve if only one is left. PoE leaves DEB as the ideal lynch.

Agreed-o. Logical.

I am think FL is scared imo. From his perspective, I should have a zero percent chance of being scum if I understand correctly.

What does this mean though?

Roleblocker was never discarded. Even if you’re town, I think there’s probably a Roleblocker still.

We just went through an analysis stating giving scum a roleblocker would underpowered town.

I always suck at setup-spec.ing, but I'm not sure if I agree with this.

I also have a proven meta that I don’t bus, so if you think I needlessly push Vorkuta like I did, you’re scum. Simple as that.

I'm always at a solid 50/50 when you say stuff like this.
Like, YOU specifically having to say it out loud yourself always makes me wonder if it still holds true here.

Unah’s got town equity because I’ve never seen him not interact with me a lot when he’s scum. He always tries to like talk me into something or seeing something his way when he’s scum.

He tries to pocket me. He hasn’t done that here. Unah’s town. He did this on HitAlt vs me as well.

This is true.
Scum!Una either shoots Boon to the face (back, actually) or puts all the effort into pocketing him.
And town!Una (here, here) refuses to ever 100% trust Boon no matter what.

Deb town bc inactive is a reach. Town's winning. Scum should flail or lurk. Deb is lurking.

Good to hear we are winning now.
I feel so out of this myself, so I count on one of you to drag me through this..

I'm lurking because VT boring as all hell.

I usually sort of enjoy this as well, although I like to spend time on insane crumbs and gambits, but I sort of fell out of the loop before, and therefore struggle to get back on top of things.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll put down my vote in ~12hours.
I need to make up my mind about the claims so far before I do.
I want to feel good about them before committing to a vote.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, maybe there's a layer of AtE somewhere under the surface that just gets to me, or I just townread their posting, but..
I don't feel comfortable voting Skellen.
I think Dr. EBO claiming VT seems reasonable, and after rereading the claimed results and votes from D2 makes me think I have no reason to suspect either of FL/Zulfy claims.
Leaving me with???
SkyG is a mason.

[UnaBombaH]

Phoneposting is da best.
What I was about to finish with, was that this leave me with only Titus.
And to be frank, I do not see her as obvious scum either.
And since I assume we need to find two more scum anyway, it still means I am misreading one of the slots no matter what Titus is.
Ech.

[UnaBombaH]

Would Titus consider my slot worth pocketing?
Her insisting that I'm town based on VCA obv. makes me more hesitant to vote her.
This game would be way easier to solve if FL was just scum here.
Then it would be FL+Dr. EB 9/10 times.

[UnaBombaH]

I am not sure if it's antitown at this time and age, but I really want to put my foot down on not voting Skellen.
I'd even lynch Dr. Esso over her.
Probs. even Titus.

[UnaBombaH]

Zulfy "asking to be lynched" raises towny feelings in me.
Simply because I've been in that situation myself.

[UnaBombaH]

Put down my Phone for a moment and you guys all march online.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll hammer Titus if it's the only viable alternative to Skellen today.

[UnaBombaH]

Like I said, Titus, Una is my solve.

Una/Skellen would make more sense for you to try and push here, but whatever.

[UnaBombaH]

Fine.
VOTE: Titus

[UnaBombaH]

anyways

there was so much resistance to everyone except titus so titus is probs flipping town?

So offer me your choice for an alternative before the night then.
I do not see you not going tonight, so give us all you can before that.
Am I wrong on Skellen then? Dont think so, because the same people who are on this wagon with me, are the ones who were ready for that lynch as well.
You are town, so it would mean Zulfy/Boon?
But both of them can't be scum, right?

[UnaBombaH]

I think Titus flipping scum might mean I was wrong about Skellen actually.
Writing it above made me realize that this wagon is indeed the same that was going for her as well.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll try and spend a thought on this once I get home.
I've been suffering from a very harsh summer-flu, and my brain isn't all here right now.

And it's either scum!Boon, or the scumteam are arrogant enough to leave him alive until this point.
I'll need to try and sort him ASAP, but it mean he will have to spend some effort on it as well.

[UnaBombaH]

Not scum with anyone.
Not hammering, that is.

[UnaBombaH]

I need Unah man

And here I am.
VOTE: Zulfy

[UnaBombaH]

I'm very sad if this doesn't flip scum.
And I'm sorry to the rest of the town for not being around enough this game.
Got too drunk at my sisters wedding -> apparently caught a cold -> can't shake it still (a week in) -> got fever and an infection in my ear.
In the middle of the two summer days Finland ever has.
Oh well.

[UnaBombaH]

I trolled though.

[UnaBombaH]

Sorry I wasn't there for you Boon when Town needed someone to solve the game.

[UnaBombaH]

I've been sick and and and.
I have my excuses/reasons/whatnot.
Thus the apology above - that was sincere.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm happy at least Titus townbinned me for my "tunnel" on Vorkuta.

[UnaBombaH]

Glad our first scum game together was a Hit.

I already buried that alt.
Also - now you know who gave you your sig.

[UnaBombaH]

To be fair, Boon is the one you need to get lynched.
Getting me lynched would've been 1/10 of the job.

[UnaBombaH]

Wow, Vork was REALLY salty.
Sorry man, but as you know, we didn't plan that bus.
And everyone should think of this as a team effort anyway.
We won, and that's all that matters.

[UnaBombaH]

I always want Ausuka killed ASAP because I love and respect her too much.