Mini Normal 2073: ~ramblings~ (game over)

[Ausuka]

hi

[Ausuka]

bulbasaur would probably taste better than fried crow? i'd rather eat lettuce than a crow.

[Ausuka]

cologne

Not like this.
Not this shit again.
Please

[Ausuka]

Town-reading Vork and Skellen right now. I don’t think their level of analysis on me comes from scum

the skellen post in question:

Not sure what to think of James' entry here so far. His first posts seemed pretty generic, I felt a little bit like back then in the newbie queue when reading the general IC posts in the beginning. #12 seemed a little bit too try-hard for me, but it would be consistent with his attitude to get out of RVS without relying on RVS. So maybe more positive then bad.

[Ausuka]

ugh i'm bad at quoting i think it's obvious what i meant though.

fl is town. skellen and james feel the most scummy so far. is there a reason why literally 0 votes are on them? are they widely townread or are they conftown in some way?

[Ausuka]

oh and if vorkuta is serious about fl he's probably scum lol

[Ausuka]

VOTE: vorkuta best wagon.

[Ausuka]

Boring~

VOTE: John Pierce Gantt

L-2

Okay, after a quick meta dive I think it’s pretty safe to say that JPG is scum. Compared to his previous game, there are some drastic differences:
As town, he’s very inquisitive and preferred making detailed posts. In this games, he sticks to shorter posts, provides less content, and is more vague on details.
In the previous game as town, he was more aggressive and did less shading. In this game he’s content to let others take the wheel and shade a bit more. He’s sort of active lurking to a degree.
In the previous game, he relied more on quoting early game to build a case and ask questions, while here he does less of it and only to provide opinions.
I think that’s enough for me to comfortably say
VOTE: JPG
This is L-2. I’d appreciate if there was no hammer here for a bit though, I want to dive Vork, Creature, Baezu, and the Doctor before anyone claims intent. Please and thanks.

That hammer is looking so sweet right now people. I’m giving JPG a time limit. If he hasn’t responded to his current L-1 by 5pm Eastern Standard Time (its about noon now). I will, finish the job. Of course this doesn’t stop someone else from swooping in.
(expired on 2019-05-04 17:00:00)

UNVOTE:
We should lynch one of these three people today. And we're never lynching Titus.

[Ausuka]

Thank you Vork.
JPG, then talk to me. I want to interact you as town or scum to gain information.
Tell me about your town reads. Who are they and why?

??? Why are you thanking Vork? Why didn't you unvote?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: S_S
This is scum defending his scum partner.

-Most people on the JPG wagon were there for "hurry up and post" reasons, not because they GENUINELY thought that the slot was town.
-S_S panics seeing the gradual transition form "inactivity wagon" to "scum wagon" and intervenes
-He's assuming that this is a 100% town wagon with no scum on it based simply on how "smooth" it's going.

we had an intent to hammer. it's safe to say people genuinely want the slot to be lynched. a "hurry up and post" wagon as your sole wagon is horrible anyway.
there's no reason to think SS is scum with Gantt here rather than just town who doesn't like the fact we're lynching someone for no reason and they're the sole wagon.
he does no such thing as the third. where did you get that idea from?

[Ausuka]

I feel like the Creature wagon is coming up to save JPG

why is john even scum to you again? and what makes you think this is the case?

[Ausuka]

Skellen is one of the most widely town read, and I have I believe four people townreading me

neither of these preclude you from being scum;

especially

the latter.

"i have four townreads on me" really?

[Ausuka]

also i'm literally catching up and you're saying i'm deep tunneling? explain.

they're not on that scumlist because they weren't part of the awful sequence of posts where a completely reasonless pressure wagon was brought to L-1 and got intent to hammer.

[Ausuka]

baezu who's scum? can you explain 764 into 813?

[Ausuka]

Hitalt I want you to talk to me please.

You said that you think scum is vork/jpg/baezu. Is this still accurate?

you call skellen a top townread. why's that?

[Ausuka]

I'm fully caught up now. I skimmed a little but with a 2 day deadline that's kind of what you have to do.

I got the fairly strong impression from that, that what scum has mostly been doing this game is basically watching town get wagoned. John wagon was dominant, momentum died, then Creature wagon started. Individual people were voting each other but there never appeared to be a strong wagon effort, outside of those two. Besides they both kind of feel town to me. So until further notice I think Titus and Creature are town.

Something_smart feels genuine and has echoed my thoughts multiple times - about the John wagon and especially comparing it to Volxen in Musicals - and generally seems to be spewing sense. I think he's town here too.

I think it's very difficult, at least for me, to get a logical read on FL in the early game. I feel as if this is town!FL, though.

That leads to a worryingly wide scumpool of {Zulfy, LUV, Baezu, James, Skellen, Vorkuta, Easybake, Hitalt} where I have to narrow down who the scum could be and pick the best vote for today.

I keep wanting to delay this and just wait until some future point where I can get better reads but then I see the deadline and remember that I can't actually do that.

VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

I don't like the intent to hammer on JPG - like at all. I don't like the way he jumped on the John and Creature wagons. I don't like the way he made such a big deal about rolling VT in a normal game and decided, not only to share his role with the game, but to keep saying stuff like 75 (I'm a VT so I'll just post for my entertainment) and 103 (I despise being VT) and bringing it up. I don't like the way he responds to serious questions with stuff like this:

I've already made a pact with Vork so I can never vote him. So it doesn't really matter what I think, because I will never swing a vote his way.

And I don't like his FL push. I don't see the genuine thought process behind this:

I think Flavor is just trying to hop on to my VT claim to cloak himself. Very sus.

FL, trying to cloak himself? How and why? And just, how do you get this from this situation?

And then he goes and votes FL's pet JPG wagon?

This is the best vote today IMO. I'm watching out for {James/Skellen/Zulfy} especially because they pin me but there's nothing that substantial to back up those feelings, besides James' awful 1061 but he's also the towniest of them outside that so.

[Ausuka]

Fl who do you want to vote today?

[Ausuka]

Read JPG based on his posts, not based on the wagon on him.

creat what changed from this?

[Ausuka]

Did James say I’m mostly being read as null/scum? Because I don’t feel that’s the case at all.

I still think the duck is scum.

I like the DEB case, but I think his alignment will become super obvious later, so I don’t really wanna kill him just yet. He’s someone who can come off as obvtown later.

Mm that james post was pretty wild, I don't think you need to be concerned about its accuracy.

In what ways could his alignment could be obvious later?

Do you still think my slot is scum? I feel like I'm very outside my scumrange this game.

[Ausuka]

Town-reading Vork and Skellen right now. I don’t think their level of analysis on me comes from scum

I'd still like an explanation for this. These are the posts in question:

To be clear, are you saying that my questions or RVS is nonsense?

Mainly RVS, but to some extent a bit of both- either way, the first few pages are going to be reserved for players to get their jokes/memes/shit out of their system before actually "playing" to the game, and that will hold regardless of whether we do RVS/RQS.

Your "which food" question is on the fluffy side of things.
A question like "do you prefer being mafia" or something along those lines I can totally 100% get behind.... but "food preferences"?
It sounds like you're on a first date and you have to ask the most generic/default questions at hand to keep the conversation going (at all costs )

Not sure what to think of James' entry here so far. His first posts seemed pretty generic, I felt a little bit like back then in the newbie queue when reading the general IC posts in the beginning. #12 seemed a little bit too try-hard for me, but it would be consistent with his attitude to get out of RVS without relying on RVS. So maybe more positive then bad.

How is this level of analysis unable to come from scum?

[Ausuka]

So this is gonna sound far-fetched (Page 15 btw)
But could Dr. Easy Bake be scum as well? It feels to me that Bork was trying to soft-bus and distance, and when he started to get issues for it he had to defend himself. Because his initial reason for voting makes NO sense IMO.
JP, I read your last game and think I can tell alignment from the first post alone. I will have to double check though.

I think we can safely say at this point in time there is one scum in {FL, Vork} and one in {Baezu, Creature, Dr. EB}
Leaning scum!vork because posturing and little help for gameplay.
Dr is pretty much just fluff posting.
Baezu seems to be half-buddy, half shading.
Creature just feels like he has WAY too much setup knowledge.
JPG, FL, Macabre, talk to me. Help me to sort these guys please.

Okay, after a quick meta dive I think it’s pretty safe to say that JPG is scum. Compared to his previous game, there are some drastic differences:
As town, he’s very inquisitive and preferred making detailed posts. In this games, he sticks to shorter posts, provides less content, and is more vague on details.
In the previous game as town, he was more aggressive and did less shading. In this game he’s content to let others take the wheel and shade a bit more. He’s sort of active lurking to a degree.
In the previous game, he relied more on quoting early game to build a case and ask questions, while here he does less of it and only to provide opinions.
I think that’s enough for me to comfortably say
VOTE: JPG
This is L-2. I’d appreciate if there was no hammer here for a bit though, I want to dive Vork, Creature, Baezu, and the Doctor before anyone claims intent. Please and thanks.

I also don't understand this progression. You say that you can tell John's alignment from just his first post. Then you make a readslist, where John is absent except a bit at the end that indicates that you have a townread in place on him, where you ask him to help you sort your suspects. And then sixteen posts later you're voting him? What's up with 530?

[Ausuka]

My issue here is that James and Easy bake have the most logical reasons to be scum imo but like, none of them particularly feel like scum if that makes sense? And I get the opposite feeling with Skellen and Zulfy where I don't really have reasons to suspect them but I just don't feel that they're as genuine as other people.

[Ausuka]

Mm? Why do you need flips for that? I don't know about you but to me logical is basically just a read based on reasons. Brafin's post trying to scare me off, and the stuff I posted about in 1979 and 1980, are my reasons.

[Ausuka]

Guys come on- he's OPENLY powerwolfing.

@vorkuta: this line felt very fake and also untrue. I mentioned the serious part because I thought there was a chance you were messing with FL.

[Ausuka]

So this is gonna sound far-fetched (Page 15 btw)
But could Dr. Easy Bake be scum as well? It feels to me that Bork was trying to soft-bus and distance, and when he started to get issues for it he had to defend himself. Because his initial reason for voting makes NO sense IMO.
JP, I read your last game and think I can tell alignment from the first post alone. I will have to double check though.

I think we can safely say at this point in time there is one scum in {FL, Vork} and one in {Baezu, Creature, Dr. EB}
Leaning scum!vork because posturing and little help for gameplay.
Dr is pretty much just fluff posting.
Baezu seems to be half-buddy, half shading.
Creature just feels like he has WAY too much setup knowledge.
JPG, FL, Macabre, talk to me. Help me to sort these guys please.

Okay, after a quick meta dive I think it’s pretty safe to say that JPG is scum. Compared to his previous game, there are some drastic differences:
As town, he’s very inquisitive and preferred making detailed posts. In this games, he sticks to shorter posts, provides less content, and is more vague on details.
In the previous game as town, he was more aggressive and did less shading. In this game he’s content to let others take the wheel and shade a bit more. He’s sort of active lurking to a degree.
In the previous game, he relied more on quoting early game to build a case and ask questions, while here he does less of it and only to provide opinions.
I think that’s enough for me to comfortably say
VOTE: JPG
This is L-2. I’d appreciate if there was no hammer here for a bit though, I want to dive Vork, Creature, Baezu, and the Doctor before anyone claims intent. Please and thanks.

I also don't understand this progression. You say that you can tell John's alignment from just his first post. Then you make a readslist, where John is absent except a bit at the end that indicates that you have a townread in place on him, where you ask him to help you sort your suspects. And then sixteen posts later you're voting him? What's up with 530?

So A) it’s not one post, it’s multiple.
B) his posting style is radically different from his previous and only other game on the site, where he was town PR. I find that super suspicious, regardless of whether he’s new or not. While after Vork he’s less of a scum read, I am keeping an eye on him, or was until he got replaced. Now I got no meta to work off of and need to do another dive.

I got that. I still don't get 530, and how it makes no mention of John at all.

[Ausuka]

Ok can you give me the idiot's guide to John/Titus scum because I don't see it.

[Ausuka]

I haven't had a chance to read a game in full detail yet, but Vorktua seems to be the same Vorktua from the last game. I'm not going to lie; I didn't actually read his cases in detail yet for me to comment. However, I did feel conviction in his posts. I believe someone else made the same comment as well.

I think this was the first one to ping me.
To contradict what I said earlier - I had a scummy vibe from Vork in the start (as usual), and this felt like something you can throw out there to softly put your teammate into the gray area of reads.

Dr Easy Bake initially seemed like he wasn't doing anything but clogging up the thread for no reason, but when I focused on his posts a little bit I did see a bit of trace of trying to sort out things.

Another very vague read.

Tchill13

Emperor flippyNips

Lil Uzi Vert

Flavor Leaf

Baezu

Macabre

Skellen

HitAlt

All Mafias are most likely in this list.
Looks like a good place to start for me.

Then a VERY sudden "scumpool" thrown out there after these very vague townleans.
No good reasoning so far.
And his reply to me for calling him out on that?

Why is it too early for that? The game was already in 17 pages at that point.

17 pages of content made him basically townlock 5/13 players, since he claims that ALL scum are in that list.
I'd argue it doesn't matter how many pages we had, but D1 is way too early to claim something like that.
And you see..he could've just as well said that "it's not set on stone" or something like that, but instead he doubles down on it.
It came across as scummy to me. Afraid to backtrack or budge at all.

...can continue from here later if you want, now I have to get busy again..

i mean sure that can be a s/s interaction but it really doesn't have to be and i don't think that's something to base a read on?

it's vague maybe in that it doesn't delve into exactly why he sees deb that way but is that scummy? it's basically just "i think deb has been genuinely scumhunting" which i think is a legit read.

how is that scumpool sudden? it's a natural thing to do with your reads. in fact it's very similar to what i literally just did in the first part of 1069. if you have townreads, you take them out, and from there you have a scumpool to look into.

and he says that all scum are "most likely" in that list, not that they absolutely certainly are. which makes sense, because he townreads the other players. i don't understand your argument here.

and what? i can't tell if you're doing this intentionally, i don't think it makes much sense as a scum strategy, but that is not the context of that last John quote at all. you said it was too early to have vork and fl as townreads, john countered by saying that it's okay to have two solid townreads after 17 pages of content (and i agree.)

[Ausuka]

I mentioned the serious part

*looks at the post made just before* #196

Its okay guys.

I’m a Day 3 IC.

*looks back at my post*
Yeah..... No comment

and why is that "openly powerwolfing"? do you think town!fl never does that?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Zulfy

if I can't get DEB I want this.

[Ausuka]

To clarify, I voted John after FL voted John to get activity from John so that I could read John’s slot better

Damn English and it’s indirect pronouns

This literally isn't even true! ahaha die scum.

Instead of John you meant John?

The name doesn't matter just that youre lying.

Okee

You're scum. That's just a fact. I hope I can pull off getting you lynched.

saying that me and John are scum together is a very strong claim while we are both alive, and it requires strong evidence which you don't have.

ANY claim about ANYONE on day 1 requires strong evidence which NOBODY has. Who's the idiot that gets convinced by this sort of argument???

Oh btw it's SUPER SUS that Vorkuta lists all the reasons why S_S is being a wormy little sniper and then his conclusion at the end is "so I guess I'm just gonna back off of you LOL". Not at all a natural progression of thought. Like that's a lack of townposting that only shows up when the ineptitude runs deep. This game is gonna be super frustrating but I'm here for it.

Zulfy's ISO (specifically the posts I've quoted above) feels really tonally off and there's literally no reason to think he's town here.

[Ausuka]

S_S who are you willing to wagon?

This goes to other people too btw. We have less than 3 days left and it's really time for us to consolidate.

[Ausuka]

the part where in 472 you said this:

JP, I read your last game and think I can tell alignment from the first post alone.

which implies that you weren't unable to make a read.

[Ausuka]

the part where in 472 you said this:

JP, I read your last game and think I can tell alignment from the first post alone.

which implies that you weren't unable to make a read.

So it’s wrong for me to refresh my memory before committing?
Oh, sorry. My bad.

what? you said that you had no read, you meta dived, then got a read. now it's that you had a read and checked it with a meta dive? which is it?

[Ausuka]

Baezu can you give me a readlist please?

[Ausuka]

Also, I did not say “I have a read.” I said, “I think I am capable of forming a read.”

OK if this is what you meant that makes sense.

[Ausuka]

you’re literally providing no thought process

what

[Ausuka]

how is zulfy the head of your wagon?

all my votes have explanations. vork vote was during catchup. later i didn't want to vote there anymore. out of that lynchpool i don't want to lynch you rn, and i'm not sure if i want to lynch skellen, and even if i wanted to i couldn't. deb wagon went nowhere and fl shut it down. zulfy wagon has pretty high scum equity and i think it'd be really difficult for scum to argue against it.

[Ausuka]

no i'm talking to James; i thought it'd be clear but you ninja'd me and it wasn't, sorry.

i think james is town now actually and i'd like to eliminate him from my PoE.

[Ausuka]

yes?

[Ausuka]

by scum equity I mean the chance of someone being scum.

I think you're town because I just don't see your attitude on me coming from scum. Ever since I replaced in you've been strangely aggressive towards my slot with posts like "you're either deeptunelling or scum buddy", "what part of x are we not understanding here?" "sorry it's wrong for me to x? oh sorry, my bad" and "are we quite done?" I think it's weird for scum to alienate a towny like this and I think the attitude as a whole is probably genuine - I don't see the scum motivation for talking to me like that. Your push on me is what started me thinking this way though, because it's such a strange thing for scum to do. Why would you push the person who clearly has the most motivation out of everyone in the game and everyone seems to townread? And it also just feels as if it's a genuine push. I also think that, as scum, you'd probably be more aware about votes on you and wouldn't have gotten the thing about Zulfy wrong.

[Ausuka]

strangely aggressive

Isn't that scum indicative though?

i mean i think inferno is similar and iirc they're brothers so, not really?

[Ausuka]

strangely aggressive

Isn't that scum indicative though?

i mean i think inferno is similar and iirc they're brothers so, not really?

Was that town indicative for Inferno?

i've never seen inferno as scum so can't really say but it definitely wasn't scum indicative for him.

[Ausuka]

when was james brafin a strong wagon?

[Ausuka]

she replaced into crow slot so

what's the problem you have with Macabre?

[Ausuka]

Town-reading Vork and Skellen right now. I don’t think their level of analysis on me comes from scum

I'd still like an explanation for this. These are the posts in question:

To be clear, are you saying that my questions or RVS is nonsense?

Mainly RVS, but to some extent a bit of both- either way, the first few pages are going to be reserved for players to get their jokes/memes/shit out of their system before actually "playing" to the game, and that will hold regardless of whether we do RVS/RQS.

Your "which food" question is on the fluffy side of things.
A question like "do you prefer being mafia" or something along those lines I can totally 100% get behind.... but "food preferences"?
It sounds like you're on a first date and you have to ask the most generic/default questions at hand to keep the conversation going (at all costs )

Not sure what to think of James' entry here so far. His first posts seemed pretty generic, I felt a little bit like back then in the newbie queue when reading the general IC posts in the beginning. #12 seemed a little bit too try-hard for me, but it would be consistent with his attitude to get out of RVS without relying on RVS. So maybe more positive then bad.

How is this level of analysis unable to come from scum?

i'd still like an explanation for this btw.

[Ausuka]

fl what do you think of hitalt?

[Ausuka]

Guys come on- he's OPENLY powerwolfing.

@vorkuta: this line felt very fake and also untrue. I mentioned the serious part because I thought there was a chance you were messing with FL.

When you take it out of context like that it does.

what does that mean? do you expect me to quote every single post around it? what context changes this post and makes it more accurate? claiming d3 ic isn't exactly a powerwolf move nor is it something fl would only do as scum, so?

To clarify, I voted John after FL voted John to get activity from John so that I could read John’s slot better

Damn English and it’s indirect pronouns

This literally isn't even true! ahaha die scum.

Instead of John you meant John?

The name doesn't matter just that youre lying.

Okee

You're scum. That's just a fact. I hope I can pull off getting you lynched.

saying that me and John are scum together is a very strong claim while we are both alive, and it requires strong evidence which you don't have.

ANY claim about ANYONE on day 1 requires strong evidence which NOBODY has. Who's the idiot that gets convinced by this sort of argument???

Oh btw it's SUPER SUS that Vorkuta lists all the reasons why S_S is being a wormy little sniper and then his conclusion at the end is "so I guess I'm just gonna back off of you LOL". Not at all a natural progression of thought. Like that's a lack of townposting that only shows up when the ineptitude runs deep. This game is gonna be super frustrating but I'm here for it.

Zulfy's ISO (specifically the posts I've quoted above) feels really tonally off and there's literally no reason to think he's town here.

This feels like more garbage being thrown at the wall.

what do you mean by this?

[Ausuka]

What I’m saying is that Vork was getting on a long stream of consciousness at the time. To determine if he was faking I feel like you have to take into account when he started ranting and expressing his paranoia.

Zulfy case doesn’t make him scum?

if you don't like the zulfy wagon why not make a new one? your current suggestion seems to be to not wagon anyone, and that's not going to go with less than 2 days on the deadline.

[Ausuka]

Eh, kind of hoped to read some stuff from Titus to help me to get over the JP/Titus slot. Unlike others I don't really feel ready yet to consider that slot as town just because the wagon happened as it happened.

Won't keep my vote on that slot obviously, with JP actually just being inactive and getting replaced my wariness eased a bit. I will vote either Baezu or DEB later today. Probably more likely Baezu. Want to give some things a reread first.

Ausuka's entry in this game has been quite interesting. Mostly because she did in terms of opinion and reads more or less a 180 degree turn from her predecessor. The more interesing part is however how some people changed their reads through this replacement, although that is food for later when we have more information. But I like her approach so far, particularly in regards to DEB, James and Baezu (I approve the request for a readslist). Although I think she backed too early off from DEB. First impression is positive, considering I townread her slot anyway I will stick to it.

@Ausuka:
Tbh I don't really get the Zulfy case. Can you explain what indicates scum!Zulfy for you? He is for me mostly a coinflip as he has so far only minding his own business with only going straight after the people he suspects, which is imo no problem if it is a play style thing. The only thing that pings me are his weird interactions with Baezu where he clearly scumreads her (for unclear reasons) that aren't leading anywhere.

He seems tonally off and is pretty much impossible to townread currently. I'm not a big fan of his push on SS either. Don't get me wrong, there's still a decent chance that Zulfy's town, but if he is I think wagoning him makes him much more likely to show his towniness than if we just left him alone.

[Ausuka]

Can you elaborate on what you find interesting about my reads being different from Macabre and how people changed their reads on my slot through my replacement?

[Ausuka]

i really think that d1 hasn't gone on long enough until we get a claim and titus posts.

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

Votecount 1.5

(1) Dr Easy Bake - Emperor flippyNips
(1) James Brafin - Creature
(1) Vorkuta - HitAlt
(1) Baezu - Skellen
(4) John Pierce Gantt - Vorkuta, Flavor Leaf, Baezu, Macabre
(1) Flavor Leaf - Dr Easy Bake

(4) Not Voting - Something_Smart, James Brafin, John Pierce Gantt, Lil Uzi Vert

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-05-13 11:21:00)

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Mod will be V/LA this weekend. PM me or Implosion if you need anything.

Also searching for a replacement for Emperor.

It's important to note here that Skellen and James Brafin join the John wagon soon afterward and Dr Easy Bake posts intent to hammer. There's no votecount to reflect this period though.

Votecount 1.9

(2) Vorkuta - HitAlt, James Brafin
(3) John Pierce Gantt - Flavor Leaf, Skellen, Creature
(1) Something_Smart - Zulfy
(1) HitAlt - John Pierce Gantt
(5) Creature - Macabre, Something_Smart, Baezu, Vorkuta, Dr Easy Bake

(1) Not Voting - Lil Uzi Vert

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-05-13 11:21:00)

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Votecount 1.12

(2) Vorkuta - HitAlt, James Brafin
(1) Titus - Skellen
(1) Something_Smart - Zulfy
(1) HitAlt - Titus
(5) Zulfy - Vorkuta, Ausuka, Baezu, Creature, Dr Easy Bake

(3) Not Voting - Lil Uzi Vert, Something_Smart, Flavor Leaf

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-05-14 11:21:00)

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[Ausuka]

ok I think I townread vorkuta now also.

if Zulfy is hammered before I wake up I will be extremely sad.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: zulfy

[Ausuka]

baezu can i have a readlist please??

[Ausuka]

Also I'm kind of against a hammer until Zulfy and Titus pop up, so please don't scum-claim by hammering too early

Mandatory "Is this a PT-slip by Vorkuta?" -accusation time?

i think looking at the post before that and the first part of the post that's highly unlikely to be the case.

[Ausuka]

I don't believe I've ever seen Ausuka's scumgame but she seems to be playing pretty solidly so far.

I don't think I've ever been against scum!Ausuka, but skimming what Boon has so far said about their scumgame

(wait, they won a scumgame together recently?!?)

I think it's a threat to be wary of.
Ausuka has, yet again, managed to just effortlessly walk into my private townblock, but now there's this paranoia rising because of what Boon said that one time. Something about them winning a scumgame together?

So because I won one game as scum, with a very skilled scumplayer as my buddy, that means I have a good scumgame and everyone should be paranoid of me? What? That's not a difficult thing to do as scum. I also think you could very easily look into this further if you wanted to.

Ftr the game FL is referring to is Micro 865, this game. I was wagoned on day 2 and was scumread by multiple people throughout the game. I was voted instantly in LyLo by one player too. So there's not any basis in truth to that.

[Ausuka]

Why is Titus posting?

Because she replaced in. That's the obvious conclusion to come to and I think you probably knew that already. Do you have anything new to give us based on the content from the last seven days since you gave game-related content?

[Ausuka]

If Zul ends up town, we need to look hard At the VC. There’s no way there’s no scum on that wagon.

hmm, why not?

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

more later; not just leaving at an unvote but want to check my cfd is good and make a case in the same post I voteplp

[Ausuka]

does Zulfy's claim here come from scum here? it has low survivability value and even the possibility of being counterclaimed; nobody really cares if you lynch a voyeur. if zulfy is scum i'd expect him to claim a powerful role like cop, doctor or vigilante; something that would either make town absolutely want to keep them alive, or at least would draw out a very valuable counterclaim. it also makes perfect sense that a voyeur would rather claim as PR as voyeur; you can bait a nightkill without having to lie.

i have concerns with the baezu and vorkuta wagons, too. baezu as scum is capable of pretending to scumhunt (see: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=79415) and it seems more likely she's just lynchbait rather than literally unable to produce content as scum. also, baezu as town can be very suspicious. i think vorkuta doesn't have much motivation to take his vote off of zulfy and onto titus there starting another argument; that situation directly led to his wagon becoming much more relevant, and there was already talk of hammering zulfy at this point. i'm not sure why scum!vorkuta behaves in this way.

so i'd prefer to find a vote in {hitalt, james, skellen, deb, luv} if possible.

[Ausuka]

Flips has been Voyeur before, at least as a JOAT.

so because flips was a voyeur in a joat in a previous game zulfy decided to fakeclaim voyeur in this one? what? do you think flips decided in the mafia pt at the start of the game that he should claim voyeur and then zulfy decided to do that except he stalled with general pr claim first? i don't get it.

pedit: idk maybe because he thought he was at l-1 because hitalt said that he was at l1??

pedit2: no not this again

[Ausuka]

VOTE: hitalt

[Ausuka]

i mean if zulfy has modded multiple normal games i would presume that he is already familiar with most of the roles including voyeur and that wouldn't have that much relevance?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: S_S
This is scum defending his scum partner.

WOW.
Vorkuta has managed to impress me with an astute observation!

This is super sus. Also, you have got to mean

“thought the slot was SCUM,” not town

, right?

...and then Brafin arrives with a great shot!
The bolded is actually a very potential slip.

Finally I feel like I'm getting something.
Vorkuta =//= S_S + Brafin feels reasonable and logical.

Vorkuta's "astute observation" that S_S is scum because he defended John, well, wasn't really an astute observation. like, at all. the post is pure narrative and just assumes S_S is scum. brafin's shot is also not great especially the bolded. that, uh, isn't really a potential slip? sometimes people accidentally type the wrong word and in my, like, 12000 posts of playing i've never seen scum caught on something like this. hitalt is a good player and i don't get why he pushes this narrative as town. it feels more like he's egging on both sides.

[Ausuka]

I’m not a direct counterclaim, setup wise it makes this really weird, though.

this is 2019 and twelve player normal setups have two vigs.

[Ausuka]

I really liked that 2 Vig setup. I thought it worked really well considering I was 1-shot and we could have cross killed.

the game could also have ended on d2 but whatever.

if ss is scum this game i will be literally shook. Especially if it's with zulfy, and he decided to pop in and randomly tunnel his scumbuddy and then afk for seven days without like taking it off or anything.

(why can't i post this is like being in a 1v1 with mulch)

[Ausuka]

Note to self.
Could be opportunistic scum following Skellens vote.
Or could've actually made an effort with meta-research.

this is why does he say this?

I Gantt believe it.

Nearly everyone on this wagon has given basically no reason for being on it.

I don't believe that the wagon at its peak was all town (especially if you include Dr. Easy Hammer). I also don't believe scum would have been willing to let a partner go that early for stupid reasons.

So for now, I'm assuming he's town.

Scum whiteknighting, or just the truuf.

he does the same thing here; he's making it look like he's gamesolving here but he's just inserting filler. "either x is town or x is scum."

I don't believe I've ever seen Ausuka's scumgame but she seems to be playing pretty solidly so far.

I don't think I've ever been against scum!Ausuka, but skimming what Boon has so far said about their scumgame

(wait, they won a scumgame together recently?!?)

I think it's a threat to be wary of.
Ausuka has, yet again, managed to just effortlessly walk into my private townblock, but now there's this paranoia rising because of what Boon said that one time. Something about them winning a scumgame together?

i already talked about this a little i think; I think that, if HitAlt were town, he would want to look into this, and check his paranoia. Instead, he just posts this, which discredits me as having a good scumgame and therefore less trustworthy, while not actually looking to see if his suspicions are warranted.

[Ausuka]

Dammit, Boon rolled scum again, didn't he.

Titus, Hit, Something, and Ausuka are all players I believe can read me well.

Titus was the person I mislynched for the win in 4p mylo on my first scum game ever on this site, and she knew I was scum even there.

To be fair, my scum game has evolved drastically since then, but I’m still readable.

Jingle has never mis read me. He says he has a strategy where he successfully town reads me, then I solve the game for him.

:thinkign:

not sure what you're referring to zulfy? but thanks I guess??

vorkuta's singature strike has no relevance to that point I made; he stated several times outside of strikethroughs that he thought i was more likely to be scum based on the fact that we won a scumgame together.

[Ausuka]

Why does he pushthat as scum, though?

That’s just not a good push.

because it makes a lock town player unlocktown. i think that if he played it differently it could also come off as town, being paranoid of even the towniest players, so i can see the motivation behind the play I guess.

Don’t vote Hit Alt.

why not \o/

[Ausuka]

Why does he pushthat as scum, though?

That’s just not a good push.

because it makes a lock town player unlocktown. i think that if he played it differently it could also come off as town, being paranoid of even the towniest players, so i can see the motivation behind the play I guess.

Don’t vote Hit Alt.

why not \o/

How are you lock town at all? You replaced into the crow slot. If I was a Vig here, I’d be shooting your slot. You are townie.
The crow was not. It’s day 1, and I expect as scum you to be able to go through with a high town read as scum. I stopped pushing your slot because I feel if I was wrong on the crow, I’d eventually be able to successfully tonwnr was you, which usually happens for me a little later in the game, like Musicals, you weren’t a town read for me until after your claim, and I even thought there was a chance of a gambit.

The crow was pretty towny and I think you were the only one pushing that. I have no idea why you expect that scum!me can do that - you saw me last game, you know I can't. In Musicals I was also generally townread the entire game, even if you had doubts.

Like, I've been gamesolving since I replaced in. I'm obviously having fun this game and I don't have fun at all when I'm playing scum. I don't see how you can actually scumread me here.

[Ausuka]

So forgive if I don’t want Ausuka to be the main one pushing the lynch today. It has nothing to do with her play.

s_s and vorky you're up \o/

[Ausuka]

Creature
Zulfy
Lil Uzi Vert
Flavor Leaf
Baezu
Something_Smart
Ausuka
James Brafin
Titus
Skellen
Vorkuta
Dr Easy Bake
HitAlt

{Ausuka, vorkuta, SS, creature} -> hopefully all townfriends
{Titus, Zulfy} probtown
{Baezu} post please baezu
{deb, james} ok i guess tier; might have been hasty with my james tr but not sr'ing him anymore. deb on review feels more like careless town than anything.
{fl, skellen} idk skellen is clearly playing very well but something about her feels off? i was tr'ing fl's approach and found it more typical of town!fl but i don't like his recent play, such as pretending to work with me for a while but blocking my deb and hitalt pushes and when i go through with hitalt anyway saying that i shouldn't be able to lead the lynch today. if he found macabre THAT scummy he should have been talking about it before.
{hitalt} -> probably scum

[Ausuka]

Why does he pushthat as scum, though?

That’s just not a good push.

because it makes a lock town player unlocktown. i think that if he played it differently it could also come off as town, being paranoid of even the towniest players, so i can see the motivation behind the play I guess.

Don’t vote Hit Alt.

why not \o/

How are you lock town at all? You replaced into the crow slot. If I was a Vig here, I’d be shooting your slot. You are townie.
The crow was not. It’s day 1, and I expect as scum you to be able to go through with a high town read as scum. I stopped pushing your slot because I feel if I was wrong on the crow, I’d eventually be able to successfully tonwnr was you, which usually happens for me a little later in the game, like Musicals, you weren’t a town read for me until after your claim, and I even thought there was a chance of a gambit.

The crow was pretty towny and I think you were the only one pushing that. I have no idea why you expect that scum!me can do that - you saw me last game, you know I can't. In Musicals I was also generally townread the entire game, even if you had doubts.

Like, I've been gamesolving since I replaced in. I'm obviously having fun this game and I don't have fun at all when I'm playing scum. I don't see how you can actually scumread me here.

:/ if you’re scum, I feel you could feign having fun here. I said it had nothing to do with your play directly, I’ve just noticed things that i’m Like “oh, yeah, that could be coming from scumthem.” And there’s nothing here that i don’t think couldn’t come from ScumYou.

There’s a reason I am not pushing you anymore. Youve also seen my town process, and I don’t lock players like you right here. I even flip flop hard late game to help me try and find the right picture.

you think that I post 73 posts in 4 days in a game where i'm not having fun? you think that i would dedicate this much time to a game where i'm not having fun?

if you're saying I literally can't lead the lynch that's honestly enough of a push for me to treat it as a push.

why are you and hitalt both treating me like i have an amazing scumgame? like i really don't. multiple people (katyusha and schadd for example) can read me essentially on sight. as scum i can't really fake a towny tone and i don't get townread.

pedit: you've been letting me play normally up until now when you have problems.

pedit2: no i just copy pasted the playerlist and then sorted them into brackets below, sorry if that was unclear. luv is nowhere NEAR that high and i wouldn't put myself in the middle of my readslist

[Ausuka]

I’ve played with you as scum. I don’t think you’re as bad a scum player as you’re saying, and that’s actually something that is giving me paranoia. You’re just naturally a strong player. I’ve known you for a while too, even before Ausuka. It’s not like I’m just now becoming familiar with you.

there are literally discord memes about me being bad at scum lol

nmsa scumread me there. traindriver scumread me there. temporallich scumread me there. brie scumread me there. half the discussion pt did as well. and that was just in a micro. i don't get how what you've seen from my scum game in the past, means you think i can do this here.

idk dude I just want to be able to push lynches because that's an integral part of how you can play town and I feel like although it's reasonable for you not to trust me at first I feel like I'm easy enough to read that my alignment should be firmly spewed at this point :/

[Ausuka]

VOTE: hitalt

Vorkuta's "astute observation" that S_S is scum because he defended John, well, wasn't really an astute observation. like, at all. the post is pure narrative and just assumes S_S is scum.

Same as with that "PT-slip".
I just like to poke at Vorkuta.
With love, ofc.

i don't understand this comment:

Finally I feel like I'm getting something.
Vorkuta =//= S_S + Brafin feels reasonable and logical.

in that case?

[Ausuka]

ughh why can't i scumread anyone

UNVOTE:

i'm not getting this anyway.

i still really don't think that titus is scum here and vork feels town but like half the time he makes perfect sense and half the time he feels moonlogicky so i guess that's off?

[Ausuka]

idk something is seriously wrong with my reads and i'm way too tired to figure out what it is

i think i'll just sleep with my vote parked on luv and if i wake up and think smth different i'll move it then.

VOTE: luv

[Ausuka]

FL, Ausuka, Vork, HitAlt

if i'm lurker-lynched for replacing into a slot that was so inactive it needed a replacement i'll haunt all of you. votes off pls

idk, the lil uzi slot felt actively scummy to me. he was trying to shoot down the wagon on zulfy but wouldn't offer a real alternative to it: to me that comes across as s!luv and t!zulfy who's offering token "this case is garbage lol" but isn't actually doing anything to prevent a zulfy lynch. generally speaking the posts he's made have been pointing out things that look bad rather than scummy, and even when he does do something (e.g calling a ss post forced or saying he might scumread titus eventually) he doesn't really do anything with that. 362, 363, 364, 561, 653, 654, 1163, 1164, 1168 illustrate what I'm saying. it's not just a lurker lynch for me.

[Ausuka]

hey vork where'd ya go?

lurking it out until my wagon goes through?

?????

[Ausuka]

VOTE: baezu

let's just let scum resolve sky. when baezu was here she refused to interact with me or answer any of my questions, and i just want to get this over with at this point. besides baezu's wagon composition seems alltown, with the exception of skellen maybe.

[Ausuka]

gg, thanks for modding Bins.

[Ausuka]

Spoiler: dead pt teaser a.k.a ausuka's wild ride

People in this room:

Me
Baezu
Ausuka
Succinct
Something_Smart
Vorkuta
Titus
Creature
Skygazer

It's pretty much fully spoiled so be careful reading if you don't want to know.

Just me!

oh hi baezu! sorry about that.

i wonder why i was killed, i wouldn't imagine i posed too much of a threat. if skygazer is town and scum didn't kill her i will be pretty confused about it.

my prediction for the scumteam right now is:

Skygazer / HitAlt / Skellen

flavour leaf, succinct, maybe deb also as backup.

i wonder how far off I am

Baezu

- Something_Smart, Skellen, Creature, Zulfy,

Ausuka

, James Brafin, Skygazer

The worst thing being that this wagon now mainly consists of my townleans after those green flips.
Can it really be that there's only one scum on the wagon with the way it got built up?

Speaking of that one... Zulfy, wanna out a result?

This is an interesting thought. I don't think SS is scum, especially after the nightkill on the one player he had pocketed for 100%. Creature being scum seems unlikely; although he can post as scum now iirc he seems genuine and i didn't like his wagon much. i'm not counting james and sky because they were grey-area eod votes that aren't very useful IMO when looking at this sort of thing. I think this makes Skellen more likely red.

I want to trust hitalt considering they were voting sky over baezu and they're pushing this now but I know from musicals how bussy they can be

I literally have no idea who Hitalt is

My only thought is unabombah but something in project pinecone made me think that wasn't it. I can't think of anyone else.

Their general attitude came off very unabombah but this

Subject: NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

VOTE: dramonic

huh profii is probably town that's a relief
will xyzzy at deadline if necessary but eh

made me think this is their real posting style and the unabomah vibes are just something they put on as an alt gimmick.

Idk.

is there a spoilers dead pt?

hot take: fl is scum this game

idk maybe I'm wrong but the double hatcheting thing finally convinced me.

him coming into the day pushing SS, and somehow deciding the one most implicated by my kill was DEB, were also susp to me.

Current guess would be fl/hit/sky? It feels too easy but,

I'm going to make a fool of myself if I'm totally wrong but, I feel like Zulfy is being really town rn.

Like I'm literally dead, nothing I say or do matters, but this slip thing is actually making me think and I just don't see the slipbin what zulfy said.

:/ apparently i'm stupid

Oh I see. So either SS is town or he's scum with vork.

Why is hit framing it as a 50/50? I don't see it; the chances are, that vorkuta's action went through.

Why doesn't vorkuta just like claim fruit vendor?

Oh he is loyal lol.

also fl isn't scum anymore ofc

hm ok

{SS, Fl, Vorkuta, Zulfy} are all town; if this is wrong whatever they played this really well.
{Creature, Titus} are town at least to me?
{Deb, skellen} i wouldn't push today probably.
{sky, succ, ha} remain

i think the right play right now is to ask skygazer to claim. she needs to have a role that makes sense and explains why she was softing PR all over the place d1.

: )

i'm totally wrong aren't i lol

oh well

did succinct just townslip? hmm

Ok let me try this readlist thing and see just how wrong I can be.

{SS, Vorkuta}
{Zulfy}
{FL}
---
{Creature}
{Titus, Succinct}
{Dr Easy Bake}
{Hitalt, Skellen}
{Byegazer}

are spoilers a thing? if so can i have them please

I can't understand the SS wagon.

Deb and sky are scum right? And someone else on the SS wagon?

This game is driving me crazy and I'm not even playing it!

And I guess that could only really mean titus.

Why would Vork / SS kill me, someone who was townreading both, and not even bring it up as a reason to tr them?

Why are you betting on the small chance vork was somehow fooled and lynching SS?

What evidence is there to support Vork and SS being scum at all?

[Ausuka]

i'm ok with my dead pt ramblings being released for the world to see

[Ausuka]

also I had a setup planned that was similar to what scum said the setup was, involving a loyal and disloyal role and a voyeur to help the disloyal role (visitor in this case) get results; that's one of the reasons i believed fl and vorkuta at first (i actually thought they were loyal / disloyal.) i think it's too similar to this and i can't use it now though anyway I thought it was an interesting coincidence.

[Ausuka]

Day 1 we also gaslighted you pretty hard. You were like the focus of all of our conversations, and we were coming at you from different angles.

And then we were aware of Titus VCA, and we did the same, and legit went crazy Moonlogic to ever shut her down if the need came.

I guess we didn’t explain that stuff to Vorkuta too well, but Una and I have been waiting for this moment for years to be scum together.

I didn't notice this I guess now I know how you and Una react to being scum against me though!

[Ausuka]

thanks for brutally murdering me <3