Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

Why do you think sky is scum?

[Robbnva]

That’s a huge stretch

I mean, if you end up being right — kudos, but there’s no way I’m buying it this early

It’s early game plus you don’t have to buy it. Why are you trying to shade skitter for voting sky?

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Menalque

[Robbnva]

I disagree

[Robbnva]

Probably something he threw in to make him seem more intelligent. It’s a werid defense, one I’ll closely monitor

[Robbnva]

Probably something he threw in to make him seem more intelligent. It’s a werid defense, one I’ll closely monitor

(I'm a she btw)

My apologies. I tend to not notice and/or remember genders.

[Robbnva]

I'm almost embarassed to ask, cause I spent whole games not kowing this, but

What does hollistic thought process mean in this context?

Eh maybe i made up the term (i've def used it before) but basically it means that i can track his thought process from post to post, and that it makes sense coming from a consistent underlying pov - it makes me think that they're less likely to have made it up if i can track a natural evolution of thoughts over a series od posts

This can easily be done by scum btw.

[Robbnva]

Well I know I can as scum so we will agree to disagree

[Robbnva]

I mean ... i say i dont like ur post and u disappear for like two days. And reappear minutes after i call u out on it

What am i supposed to be thinking here?

Seems like you’re trying to fit a square peg into a round hole if you ask me.

Most scum aren’t going to be that obvious.

[Robbnva]

It's scummy

You’re too experienced to believe lurking is scummy. Antitown definitely, scummy absolutely not.

VOTE: skitter

No way this is town

[Robbnva]

I mean it’s been proven like a a bazillion times lurking is null so if you’re sitting there saying after that it’s scummy that makes you scum or unfit to play mafia.

Either way, you’re a good lynch cause I don’t see you as unfit to play mafia

[Robbnva]

Low information voting stage.

Why not call it rvs? Just curious

[Robbnva]

I mean it’s been proven like a a bazillion times lurking is null so if you’re sitting there saying after that it’s scummy that makes you scum or unfit to play mafia.

Either way, you’re a good lynch cause I don’t see you as unfit to play mafia

If she's been inactive sitewide i wouldnt have said anything, and the timing is suspect imo

Please of you’re town do better. That’s bullshit logic and you should know that if you were town

[Robbnva]

Oh luv is prob town i think

Why? He’s not done anything AI

[Robbnva]

Disagree but ok

If I was motivated to I could find 50 games where town does that. Maybe even hundred.

So you’re going to disagree with actual facts?

You and I won’t be working well together

[Robbnva]

Not trying to argue. If you’re town I am honestly wanting you to play better

[Robbnva]

Like if we lose due to bs mislyches I’m seriously going to rage

[Robbnva]

I don’t know how to or I would have 10 years ago.

I seriously try to but when I see people using terrible logic, logic that has Ben disproven, I get upset

[Robbnva]

I guess I’ll take a break for a couple days. Idk how else to calm down.

Maybe when people start actually scum hunting for real it’ll get better

[Robbnva]

Also I find Rob’s playstyle really toxic (I read another game where he seemed exactly the same) and I also find it really hard to read, so I’m saying right now that I’m open to policy lynching there if there’s not clear scum by EoD

my apologies, I will be posting less

Do you think she may be doing it on purpose as part of a strategy to gauge out reactions and reads?

No I don't, but if she is it would be better for the game if she stopped. If she is town, I have to be able to work with her at some point and I am now unable to. based on the number of townies in this game, having 2 not able to work together is detrimental to town's win condition.

That is my contribution for today. See you all tomorrow.

[Robbnva]

Let's just assume for now that she is and will eventually get to the point you can work together. Is there any other direction currently you would like to explore?

She is my top scum read right now, I don't know if I can just assume she is town and move on. If I removed my vote off her, I'd go back to menalque

That said, I am not going to make a baseless assumption and remove my vote. skitter is who I want to vote to be lynched today.

[Robbnva]

Until that happens I can’t really comment on it. Using weak logic imo is lazy play, it’s also very scummy. That’s what I expect scum to do. I would hope wouldn’t be playing like that

[Robbnva]

At some point I need to go back and read the game to see what else stands out but until then skitter remains the best lynch candidate

[Robbnva]

I quite strongly town read Cinnamon, Menalque, and Robbnva, with a weaker town read on skitter

Care to explain these in detail?

[Robbnva]

If that was the case, the game wouldn’t be in such a stagnant state.

It's stagnant because so far no wagon has gone beyond 3 votes and no one is even really trying to make hard pushes on anyone. People not voting contributes to this state, especially in this game size.

Vote skittles and we can get this game moving.

[Robbnva]

II am supposed to not post so much, people was having a problem with me so i am really trying.

Backing off is nai imo. In addition to lurking, skitter thought sky's entry was suspicious, which I don't understand because I don't think scum enters the game fake claiming.

aside from that has skitter really done anything? Has she moved on and voted/pushed somebody else? not that I can tell.

so please tell me what has skitter done that moves her from null to town?

[Robbnva]

In fact, I think Skygazer is the exact type of player to overdo the jokey-memey bravado like in 10, 27, 29, and 32 in order to cover up her scum play.

based on what?

Show me some scum games to support this theory.

[Robbnva]

keep in mind, I don't really believe in meta, so the point in me asking is to see how you can actually have such an opinion of sky. Right now I don't believe you, you are saying something 180 from what I believe.

[Robbnva]

I'd say null, maybe very slightly town just because I don't think scum fake claims like that. What makes her more town is how skitter reacted. In my mind a town player doesn't make that push, especially for those reasons. The backing off is null because most scum don't want to get accused of being unreasonable or being told they are tunneling. Scum want to keep their options open.

that is the vibe I get from skitter.

[Robbnva]

i made a post and it got lost to MS being glacial or down or something ):

I can confirm that the site was having issues.

[Robbnva]

keep in mind, I don't really believe in meta, so the point in me asking is to see how you can actually have such an opinion of sky. Right now I don't believe you, you are saying something 180 from what I believe.

How many times have people you've pushed for this sort of reasoning flipped town?

I don’t understand the question. You quoted me asking him a question. I’m not pushing anything in that post

[Robbnva]

pink is going to play hell with my eyes on mafsilver.

It’s unreadable on my skin

[Robbnva]

keep in mind, I don't really believe in meta, so the point in me asking is to see how you can actually have such an opinion of sky. Right now I don't believe you, you are saying something 180 from what I believe.

How many times have people you've pushed for this sort of reasoning flipped town?

I don’t understand the question. You quoted me asking him a question. I’m not pushing anything in that post

let me rephrase that: how often has someone who posted something that is '180 from what you believe' flipped town?

No clue. That’s not something anyone tracks.

[Robbnva]

You just reaffirm my read with a weird useless question.

[Robbnva]

keep in mind, I don't really believe in meta, so the point in me asking is to see how you can actually have such an opinion of sky. Right now I don't believe you, you are saying something 180 from what I believe.

How many times have people you've pushed for this sort of reasoning flipped town?

I don’t understand the question. You quoted me asking him a question. I’m not pushing anything in that post

let me rephrase that: how often has someone who posted something that is '180 from what you believe' flipped town?

No clue. That’s not something anyone tracks.

not specifically related to this game but i suggest that you might try tracking this for one game
or go back to a prior game and look at the alignments of the people you say do this kind of thing, it might help your playstyle and/or make it easier for other people to play with you

Thanks for the tip but I’m not likely to take play advice from you of all people

[Robbnva]

ok, maybe just take a look again in postgame
i mean this sincerely, has nothing to do with my alignment or yours or this game even

Thing is I’m a gut feel kind of player. I base my reads on if somebody’s actions make more sense as town or scum. So it probably wouldn’t be beneficial but sure

[Robbnva]

Also, q for the board: is greeting the thread only considered a scumtell in newbie games?

idgi

saying hi isnt really a scumtell. maybe for nervous new players but that seems really unreliable since some come out swinging and some dont?

Thank you. Somebody else who doesn’t believe on that stupid tell.

[Robbnva]

hmmmm I feel like I need to reread. my reads dont seem to line up with some other players.

Also this is "huh?"

Why would it be an issue that your reads aren't lining up with other players?

I 2nd this question.

[Robbnva]

if you think Id pocket cinnabun, why him explicitly? Why not robnva, who I tred out the gate?

Why were you trying to pocket me?

[Robbnva]

Or better phrased. Why are you trying to pocket me?

[Robbnva]

for those who can't read the mod's font.

Pisskop is at L-1

[Robbnva]

oh hey.

im the doc

gg guys

hey answer my question please

[Robbnva]

came in hard defending me which is bizarre since nobody else really has been

scum reading at least one of the same people I do sort of adds to it.

[Robbnva]

What do you mean what am I going to do?

[Robbnva]

maybe defending is the wrong word but you made posts that definitely come off as buddying/pocketing

258 - menal had accused me of being both of those, you are basically saying he's wrong without actually mentioning his name, where I had been a little toxic
278 - this is a "see rob agrees with me" post
282 - You declare you town read me not sure why that post I made dd it

I don't see how you came in and town read me so hard, so easily. that gave me a pocketing vibe.

[Robbnva]

278 is a definite buddying post imo. Like I have any sort of credibility this game.

[Robbnva]

also, what do you mean, I think you have credibility.

If I had credibility skitter would be the one at l-1

[Robbnva]

So from no-one moving off I’m gathering that this is being read as a fake claim? I’d like to know why before a hammer drops

UNVOTE:

Doc is one of the easiest fake claims to make. I’m not sure if the tide has changed But I remember doctor was less common to be used over other types of protection roles.

That said. He could be legit.

I don’t have a read on him yet. As doc i don’t see why he’d buddy anyone, but especially not me.

[Robbnva]

Robb, do you prefer playing as scum or as town?

Town definitely

[Robbnva]

oh hey.

im the doc

gg guys

That really doesn’t read frustrated to you?

Not at all. A pr close to lynch should act differently

[Robbnva]

Yeah, actually, I think it’s luv and that he’s this comfortable pushing for a lynch on pisskop bc of cover from exi and robb also arguing it’s a fakeclaim

VOTE: luv

Didn’t luv give intent BEFORE exi and I saying it could be a fake clam?

Why are you just straight up dismissing the idea of a fake claim.

Doctor IS one of the most used fake claims

Does pisskop’s reaction to being l-1 really make sense if he’s doc?

Imagine for a second you are the doctor and about to be lynched. Would you act like he did or would you be more upset and be begging and pleading for people to unvote?

[Robbnva]

So not going to answer my question?

[Robbnva]

You already saw it. Nice try

[Robbnva]

if you think Id pocket cinnabun, why him explicitly? Why not robnva, who I tred out the gate?

Why were you trying to pocket me?

Or better phrased. Why are you trying to pocket me?

oh hey.

im the doc

gg guys

hey answer my question please

maybe defending is the wrong word but you made posts that definitely come off as buddying/pocketing

258 - menal had accused me of being both of those, you are basically saying he's wrong without actually mentioning his name, where I had been a little toxic
278 - this is a "see rob agrees with me" post
282 - You declare you town read me not sure why that post I made dd it

I don't see how you came in and town read me so hard, so easily. that gave me a pocketing vibe.

[Robbnva]

And now why have you basically done a 180 on me?

[Robbnva]

I never said it was fake. So that’s a misrep. I said it could be. HUGE difference

[Robbnva]

I'm not a hair splitting kind of player. you made it quite clear you didn't believe it.

Nope. Not true at all.

[Robbnva]

So from no-one moving off I’m gathering that this is being read as a fake claim? I’d like to know why before a hammer drops

UNVOTE:

Doc is one of the easiest fake claims to make. I’m not sure if the tide has changed But I remember doctor was less common to be used over other types of protection roles.

That said. He could be legit.

I don’t have a read on him yet. As doc i don’t see why he’d buddy anyone, but especially not me.

This clearly shows I’m unsure

[Robbnva]

He never said he was pocketing Robbnva

He didn’t have to say he was. He very clearly was pocketing me and now I’m calling him on it he’s done a 180

I even provided examples of the pocketing.

So yes please work on your reading comprehension

[Robbnva]

maybe defending is the wrong word but you made posts that definitely come off as buddying/pocketing

258 - menal had accused me of being both of those, you are basically saying he's wrong without actually mentioning his name, where I had been a little toxic
278 - this is a "see rob agrees with me" post
282 - You declare you town read me not sure why that post I made dd it

I don't see how you came in and town read me so hard, so easily. that gave me a pocketing vibe.

All of this is evidence of pocketing.

No player comes in THIS game and hard town reads me

[Robbnva]

I never said it was fake. So that’s a misrep. I said it could be. HUGE difference

the same player who would split hairs here

Said the above

I’m not splitting hairs.

[Robbnva]

He didn’t have to say he was

Like how do you call me out for misrepping and then do this

Uh because hot behavior clearly shows you were pocketing me. Of course you’re not going to admit you’re doing it cause that means you’re admitting you’re scum

[Robbnva]

No player comes in THIS game and hard town reads me

I did?

Than you’re probably scum also.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: piss

[Robbnva]

samesies

Then you all need help. I shouldn’t be town read. I haven’t done shit

[Robbnva]

somebody hammer and relieve me of this burden

Do it yourself

[Robbnva]

Don’t let who get to me?

[Robbnva]

Don't forget he's scum reading skitter

It's a skitter, pisskop, exilon, dannflor scum team

woW

just cause I scum read people doesn't mean I think they are all scum. go play some newbie games before you play with the big dogs.

[Robbnva]

holy shit. you have been here from 2012?

yeah you move up some more notches

and where did I say I scumread exilon?

[Robbnva]

you said people that come into the game town reading you are prob scum

lol. I NEVER said that.

[Robbnva]

No player comes in THIS game and hard town reads me

I did?

Than you’re probably scum also.

i dont know how else to interpret this ...

well i was already scum reading you so...

maybe don't make assumptions and then make false statements.

remind me, did you ever explain your reads that you said you were going to do? I had asked and you said you would but I can't remember seeing them.

[Robbnva]

yeah I didn't think so, not surprised though. scum like to keep from explaining themselves

[Robbnva]

Fair enough.

I think town is a lot more cautious than you in that scenario anyways, though? Like your progression on that slot came out of nowhere and then you're suddenly okay with hammering a claimed doctor.

[Robbnva]

town don’t lynch lolhammers as often as you would think.

qft

[Robbnva]

I don't really see anything AI in that case. Fluff is annoying, maybe anti-town, but it isn't AI. I am not even mad at the intent post because piss was the one acting squirrely and the way he was acting doesn't make sense for a PR under pressure.

I appreciate the attempt.

[Robbnva]

man, pk gets called out for pocketing me and instead of admitting it, does a 180.

u mad bro

[Robbnva]

it's the truth though. You have no logical explanation on how you did a 180 on me.

You threaten to put me on the ignore list so you have already sunken to the lowest of lows.

Threatening to put somebody on the site ignore list is kind of like using outside influences in the game which is technically be against site rules.

[Robbnva]

your 180 started after I called you on you pocketing me and explaining how it is possible you could be fake claiming. I didn't say you were, I just said it is possible (which could be said about any claim)

[Robbnva]

now this game is getting toxic. so I am taking a break.

kop is probably scum here.

[Robbnva]

it's actually a fairly well documented tell in the newbie queue that seems to be pretty accurate; someone (tttt) tracked this over all newbie games for several months and this is what he found; here's a link if you're intersted:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=79490

No. Don’t be part of the problem. Let’s stop spreading made up tells.

[Robbnva]

it's actually a fairly well documented tell in the newbie queue that seems to be pretty accurate; someone (tttt) tracked this over all newbie games for several months and this is what he found; here's a link if you're intersted:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=79490

No. Don’t be part of the problem. Let’s stop spreading made up tells.

disagree that it's made-up

It is because that’s something that comes down to personality. Some people are just friendlier than others. I enter almost every game with some sort of greeting and its regardless of my alignment.

I seriously don’t think scum sits there and goes “hmm what strategy should I use to enter the game... I know I’ll
Say hello to everyone”

It’s arbitrary data. You would need to know the personality of every person ever to do it. You’d also need to know if it’s their first ever game on site. Newbies in general may not know about rvs.

There was some body pushing data a few years ago that says the first (can’t remember the number) of people to vote in rvs, at least 2 will be scum. Then somebody with a brain debunked it quite easily.

People are trying to be lazy by creating tells instead of relying on good old fashioned scumtells. Now you have idiots out there who will adamantly serious vote somebody just for saying hello.

It’s lazy play.

[Robbnva]

And sorry. This isn’t the place to argue mafia theory. I’ll drop it.

[Robbnva]

hahaha

my lock town on Robb was embarrassing

those hyper aggro ATE playstyles are my weak spot

Don’t feel bad. Lots of people get fooled.

Also the reason why me and Tchill didn’t seem like s v s is because I actually got so wrapped up into the game I forgot he was my scum buddy. We didn’t talk at all in our mafia forum.

[Robbnva]

basically an emotional player. ATE = Appeal to emotions.

[Robbnva]

I am a very emotional person irl. While I am jovial irl, I do know how to use my emotions sometimes in mafia.