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@ofrh, can u prod salad again?

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I think dunn is town but i'm doubting pk rn

nah. youre scum and you know it. Im convinced you know better than that blatant ate and omgus rolled into one.

Uh huh

Do tell me about the blatant ate and omgus

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Dunn can u vote please?

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nero or salad (who is, again, lurking his way into irrelevance under the radar)

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also he's online right now

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lurk lurk

dude, do you really have nothing to say about the game ?

it's getting kinda ridiculous at this point

@ofrhz i'm not sure if your rulesets allows prodges but does this post count to reset the prod timer? this is his only post since sunday, which was also basically a prodge

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Why would you vote Salad if you think you can win a 1v1 against me?

because i don't want to 1v1 you rn, we talked about this already

would you vote salad today?

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no offense but like how can that be at this stage of the game, there's load and load and loads of content to interact with at this point

do you have any reads?

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VOTE: salad

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@vork/creature - could both of you vote salad?

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So instead of lynching a guy that does not contribute to the gamestate whatsoever and could very well be going deep in that persona as scum, you want to policy-lynch a miller? lol

As much as I don't want to incentivize or encourage this type of play, think it's horrible and anti-town, blah blah blah *insert condemnations here*
This is idiot!town, OR possibly scum with literally no desire to achieve their win!con.
He's gone way too far to be a deep scum gambit and considering there was talk about bunny/pisskop being coached by his teammates, what teammate encourages this type of play?
Can we not lynch someone who has a really high chance of flipping green on the night before Lylo?

As for bunny/pisskop: they're 'miller/not-millers' and "no way they make it in Lylo" has been the only reason for me to back off them on D1 so....
The salad lynch is a policy lynch. If we have collectively decided to do a policy lynch tonight, then why not on a miller instead?

Also I'm doing something with my NC vote.

in an ideal world salad would be lynched today and pk vigged over night (or vice versa) and that would take care of the lylo liabilities

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a) i think you're trying to ensure that we avoid the worst case scenario (lylo tomorrow)
in contrast, in an ideal universe i'd like to ensure that when lylo happens we're in the best possible version of it - i.e. lylo liabilities aren't there

we're approahing this in different ways

b) i don't think nero is viable today really

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VOTE: Vorkuta

I actually think he's town

Dunn's off. He voted me when I voted no lynch to avoid lylo, Vork just talked about lylo and Dunn's jumped ship.

No idea what this means

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Lynch nero tomorrow, thank you

If he's scum I'm going to be pulling the i told you so card ao freaking hard in post, and I am more than a little bit annoyed at this game rn

I'm p sure all scum are on-wagon rn; if i'm wrong the last scum is salad. If the vig has a shot salad should be shot here.

I'm p sure nero -> salad -> pk -> creature wins the game.

All of this for tomoreow after my flip ^^^^

And if you lot don't listen to me tom i'm going to be even more pissed

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For nero:
The fact that i cant get him wagoned evrn though there's like one person townreading him is scum indicative

I'm p sure he's pocketed nom

He's pushing god awful ideas (no lynch ????)

He's repeatedly pushed people that have flipped town (flubber, shoshin, teacher, and you can add me to the list tomorrow)

His push on me was really fucking slimy too

So again, lynch him tomorrow

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I think salad should be vigged before lylo because he's being awful

I dont think pk's read on me is real either

Creature's being bad but dp was town so

Nom is also town but being bad

Dunn is town, vork is town

Scum is all in {nero, salad, creature, pk}

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VOTE: skitter

inv4 detpika/vork team

Like what is this even

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Vt

Lynch nero tom, pk can go too

And again just want to express my complete and utter frustration with this game

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Creature i'm ridiculously out of my scumrange here, ty

It's probably just nero + salad but pk's push on me is p bad

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VOTE: salad

Like what are you doing even

Creature why are you voting nero now?

I will votw whichever of salad/nero have more votes

Again reiterating that if salad isnt lynched today he should be vigged

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Fair

VOTE: nero

I will switch back to salad if necessary

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And TBF,

the only one of these I was hard pushing and was my original read was Teacher and I guess you. Yes, I thought a fakeclaimer (shoshin) was scum and I started thinking that I was a CW to scum Flub

b and I don't think either of those are some far-out statements and your "Nero wanted to lynch people that flipped town" is just manipulative and I think that's p likely to be from scum.

A) i dont think this is scummy or manipulative, it indicates that you at best have had awful reads and at worst have been pushing mislynches all game

If you can demonstrate that historically you have awful reads i'll drop it but my impression of you is tha you're better than this

B) i dont think the bolded is an entirely accurate description of your pushes on either shoshin or flubber

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barring Skitter being scum she's wrong somewhere

This is a weird thing to say from your pov

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Yea I still think its one of skitter/vork/salad

And this is a weird thing to say given, you know, that pesumably there are two scum left

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I've already claimed vt

My guess is that dunn may have checked urap? I'm not sure

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He started day2 voting urap and i remember urap claimed vt at some point, but now that i think about it he claimed vt i think later day2, i'm in middle of checking

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VOTE: u r a person 2
L-2, I hope to get some kind of claim from you soon because there is a lot of pressure directed your way

VT reads list soon

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I think I'm getting lynched here LOL

already gave my reads so

VOTE: u r a person 2

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Nm i got it backwards

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Huh

Why did u wait a night?

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Also why did u use it on vork?

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Also why on earth were you scumreading dp then

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He very clearly (correctly) thought u were softing some sort of investigative - why does scum!dp kill shoshin n1 then

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Yes, but he picked up on nom softing it *ages* ago - he had a correct read on the nom/shoshin thing - why does he kill the fake one

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I've lost my shit this game a few times because of that. Actually you were also the reason why I lost my shit the previous day claiming scums thought Shoshin was cop while simultaneously pointing at me being a likely culprit for that

when I literally put myself forward the entire day to push that as a fakeclaim

.

And THEN you backtrack on that logic to try and push me with outlandish logic such as "lol the scumteam must know that there are no cops this game"??? Are you for real????

OK.

You wanna call me "slime"

If I was scum, I would have shot you over Sho. Because you were pretty clearly softing being informed. You were cross-claiming Shoshin in a way that strongly implies you were either:
A) a town investigative that would preclude there being a second cop
or
b) informed there were no cops

There is no reason that you, as a VT, would assume that Sho was *not an investigative role*. If Shoshin was scum, she could have still been a scum visiting role. The way you were strangely insistent on her not being a cop and this being *the primary* reason you were scumreading her came off as informed as fuck.

Sho, as the person under pressure, had much more reason to fakeclaim no matter what. You as the person not under pressure were much more likely to be a real investigative, if you are town.

Given you are currently pushing me for stupid fucking reasons, you pretty clearly have no cop result on me. Vis-a-vis, my logical conclusion is that you are more likely to be scum informed there are no cops in the game, and this is why you felt confident you could push Shoshin without backlash.

ADDITIONALLY, Cinnamon said there was more to his role, but he never said what. One likely addition to a miller role would be either: a neighborhood, or informed. Vis-a-vis, it's possible that you:
-are in a neighborhood with pisskop
-are scum with pisskop
-or are yourself informed about some part of the power structure of the game

Dunnstral seemed to think you were a town investigative yesterday. Given you are pushing me currently, you are either only even night, if you are town, or you are not a town investigative.

Given you moved off the urap wagon, you pretty clearly did not actually have a guilty on him. You clearly don't have a result on me. Vis-a-vis, you're probably just not a town investigative.

Given you are not a town investigative, why were you so certain Shoshin was "not cop"? There's not THAT many explanations, and the most direct one would be "scum informed there is no cop." This would also explain a miller fakeclaim.

But yes, I'm definitely scum because I think the way you pushed Shoshin does not preclude you from knowing she is town but maybe thinking she is some sort of valuable TPR but not COP. Since you knew she was not COP, you would have felt more confident pushing her because you knew her flip would not totally implicate you given she was lying. But as scum, you would not have known her real role. Given she fakeclaimed cop, and this is not a logical play for a VT to make, *you could have still thought she was a strong town power role.* Because as scum, you would need to have an explanation for why, as town, she would fakeclaim cop.

Does any of this fucking logic make sense? I have no fucking idea, but the way you pushed Shoshin STRONGLY IMPLIED YOU ARE NOT VT and trying to understand at this point WHAT THE FUCK YOUR ROLE IS is not easy.

But if you think I'm scum and don't fucking night 1 you every single time after your play around Shoshin day 1 you're out of your mind so fuck off.

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My point is that if he's scum he made a ridiculously dumb kill n1 given that ^^^

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creature is prob not scum anyways

I've only, you know, been saying that for a bajillion years
((Yeah i kinda wavered at the end of the last day but other than that)

In other news i think pk is scum

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And what

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and who else

You still but i'm kinda waiting to see what you're claiming

I'm p sure all of creature/nom/vork are town

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Anyways g'night

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yeah, I saw you hinting and then since I knew I was one I knew she was bullshitting. Kinda sad that she put herself above the town but maybe it all worked out, in the end, b/c it helps kinda "prove" my role.

I have a question then.
Why did you unconditionally read me as town ever since? I think I would have started doubting my slot if the positions were reversed.

I think you've been pocketed by nero

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Idk who else who you're referring to

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My stance was always that multiple cops could co-exist and shoshin flipping not cop didn't change that for me.

Werent you pushing shoshin because you didnt believe her claim?

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I also feel like your constant "nero pocketed nom" is just a subtle attempt at trying to turn Nom against me AND you are discrediting her reads.

I think her reads have been p bad and dont think she should be townreading you, yes. Your point?

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I mean yeah i'm kinda waiting for that too

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Werent you pushing shoshin because you didnt believe her claim?

yes. I'm saying that I believed nom over her.

I dont get it

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I also pointed out repeatedly at the time that whether or not the vlaim was real wasnt ai - ie that even if thr claim was fake scum!her never gakeclaims that

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Why the fuck do you .... not claim the sketchy miller claim, wtf

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*check

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Also you think scum power is : 2 goons + encryptor vs:

Full doc
Rolecop
1s vig 1s nea
1s gs 1s tracker
Whatever pk is (miller + something else)

And idk what creature

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I still think vork is town and don't especiallu believe nero is a town role cop

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Why the fuck do you .... not claim the sketchy miller claim, wtf

Also this ^^^^

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Do NOT pull an Axe, please.

Don't do this.

I dont know what this means

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Why the fuck do you .... not claim the sketchy miller claim, wtf

Also this ^^^^

Nero i need u to answer this

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I mean, if you guys lynch a town pr over flipped scum that's on ya'll

This is disingenuous from the pov of everyone in the game besides for you

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its kinda old school logic that rolecop+miller=town miller. She can't confirm now but I had literally sent the mod a pm telling her that I knew (or at least thought) that cinna was town. Does that logic no longer apply since mods throw out millers like candy these days? But then scum was pushing that early game so in a way that makes me think that he was cinna was just town.

This just doesnt cut it, sorry

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I investigated Skitter n2 who is also vanilla. Since Vork (any maybe others) are likely to call bullshit b/c I'm claiming already outted results I had claimed my Skitter=vanilla result b/f she claimed just in case I died or that I was lynched.

Where was this claimed

Did u claim the salad one as well?

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I also pointed out repeatedly at the time that whether or not the vlaim was real wasnt ai - ie that even if thr claim was fake scum!her never gakeclaims that

you were scum so you knew she wasn't. Nom and I had no way of knowing this.

Also fallacious but whatever

It was based on meta that you repeatedly chose to ignore when i brought it up multiple times

Also if i were scum i could have just ... not defended her and let her be lynched

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I'd also like to note that I had called for a nl to avoid exactly this type of situation if it arose. If we had no lynched yesterday and I claimed a guilty or I was cc'd we could safely ml me then the guilty/ccer.

Just noting that you're still avoiding the miller question

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Skitter can you remind me why you read Vork as town?

He's kinda lynchvait-y and on the surface everything he says is p bad but:

A) it's all internally consistent
B) he has comviction - ex: wouldnt lynch salad yesterday, easiest mislynch in the game to join if he's scum
C) where's his partner preventing him from doing dumb things like pushing mass-claim the entire day yesterday

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@Skitter, does a piss/vork team make sense to you?

I dont have anything to rule it out offhand

I do strongly believe that you're a part of the scumteam tho

Also, again, miller ...?

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I'd also like to note that I had called for a nl to avoid exactly this type of situation if it arose. If we had no lynched yesterday and I claimed a guilty or I was cc'd we could safely ml me then the guilty/ccer.

Also you didnt have a guilty result yesterday, i dont get it

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So just give your answer to the miller thing then, why delay ... ?

@nom: like i said forever ago, i think he pocketed you

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I'd also like to note that I had called for a nl to avoid exactly this type of situation if it arose. If we had no lynched yesterday and I claimed a guilty or I was cc'd we could safely ml me then the guilty/ccer.

Also you didnt have a guilty result yesterday, i dont get it

I wasn't going to die last night, and a nl made it where there was a safety net in case I ended up with a guilty or got CC'd and you guys goofed.

You couldnt have known you were going to get a guilty last night yesterday (unless, of course you were going to make one up)

This makes no sense still

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Also @nero rn you read like you dont care what happens so long as vork dies ... which is remarkably similar to what i imagine scum would be trying to do in mylo, you know, not care about the aftermath of the game-winning mislynch

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I'm saying that Skitter makes the most sense to me as a Vork buddy for town reading him/trying to shut down his wagon yesterday. But like I said, I'll be dead tonight so you can vote who ever the fuck you want if you don't think Skitter is Vorks buddy.

Also why the fuck does scum!me kill you tonight or think you'ee in any way a mechanical threat given that you've ... already checked me

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Again, pointing out the miller thing

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I think it's nero/pk

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Why do you think his partner is PK?

Because i'm p sure the other 3 slots are town

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P sure dp was town, no matter what creature is doing

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Uh huh

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Skitter, if town wises up and lynches Vork. When he flips scum and I flip town we should not be lynching you tomorrow b/c ????

I dont really care because i dont really think we live in this universe

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I just wanna lynch Vork today tbh

This is pretty much a Vork vs Nero.
Why would you lynch Vork over Nero?

doesn't exclude Vork and Nero scumteam.

Also, I have a PoE of Nero, Vork and skitter and I doubt Nero and skitter are scum together.

With Nero's claim, Skitter is pretty much conftown in every scenario so that's not the problem.
The problem is that if we lynch wrong, the game ends.

Why am i conftown here?

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Claim goes like this

Spoiler:

Vork- Ice Ice bab

Also, he's claiming vanilla to conform with the "went nowhere claim" but he is not.

Also, the distinction between claiming vanilla and not vanilla town seems like scum that knows he's not town.

I mean, really?

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There's a post that i'm trying to find that i think was a perspective slip from nero but i dont remember which words to ctrl+f for so i'm having trouble finding it

Or i'm misremembering idk

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Also why he didnt check pk

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If you're both town ur role literally exists to confirm him and not checking him over three nights was at best a lapse in judgement and at worse indicates that you're just scum

Also you didnt explain ad nauseum, dont be revisionist. If you had i wouldnt have had to drag an answer out of you

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Honestly dont remember that happened offhand, i'll have to take a look

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by the way I am starting to realize I have been pushing you for two days straight and now that there is a claim basically confirming you town I feel extremely guilty about it, sorry about that... urgh

That's ok, sorry for getting annoyed at some points

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Again why do u think ur dying tonight?

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actually i'm not sure if nero/cinn early interactions about the miller are partner-indicative???

i have to read again in more depth

if i'm wrong on pk it's prob creature, i guess

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kinda feel like scum are

urap

teacher

dp

im basically 1-1 right now.

my big hold up is Skitter tunneling me with the reasoning "his reads are so bad" just looks like projecting scum.

Buj came to the same conclusion as me and Dunn is scum reading you and I'm not town reading you so I'm ok with voting you today.

Vote me then

naw, I'm killing your teams PR

oh this is what i was remembering

well at least this bit was internally consistnt with the timing

(although you should have been able to point to this post as proof that you had checked me the night before, but whatever)

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i don't think there are enough votes for nero so this will be fun, i guess

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that's my point

pedit @nom

but at least i don't think there are 4 votes for vork either so

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i looked, it may have been me but i didn't find anything super conclusive wrt dunn, but feel free to check again

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i think so, yeah

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also like i think the guy who i *strongly* believe is scum is claiming a really sketchy guilty on him so like .... independant of my read there that doesn't seem like a great place to vote

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nero i think you could have lynched me today if you claimed vt

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i mean but he would have just won so claiming not his role seems like a decent trade-off

idk maybe he checked u one night and knew there was a tracker floating about so real-claimed

really idk

just speculating aloud

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anyways we need pk to get in here and claim and decide whether or not he's willing to vote nero so

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i mean if you had claimed vt i would have been

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@nom we're not voting until pk gets in here

nero i don't know who you're talking to

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idk why should i have doubted it ?

i'm p sure you're town anyways

in a vacuum i could see your role being the scum counterpoint to dunn's but like you're prob town so i haven't been worrying too much about it

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i'm reading along but i don't imagine i'll have much new to say until pk claims; if anyone wants to talk to me about something lmk

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i'm reading along but i don't imagine i'll have much new to say until pk claims; if anyone wants to talk to me about something lmk

I can't make sense of NC acting extremely dumb.
Is this another instance of me reading stupidity as scummy incorrectly or?

i don't think he's this dumb so - you also have experience with town!him playing this sort of situation differently

(i don't think i have any games with him; my take on it is based on his personality/ what i can tell of his ability to make arguments, and not from direct experience; it's a personality assessment more than anything else)

i think he's just pushing things loudly and repeatedly over and over again irregardless of how much sense they make

i spent the last ... two weeks (?) arguing over nothing with him back and forth and having the same argument over and over and over again and i'm kinda done for now so i'm kinda just waiting for the next thing to happen and for you lot to come to the same realization i had ages ago

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also i just think that nero's entire claim is just, well, bad

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creature remind me why you'd vote vork over nero here?

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creature remind me why you'd vote vork over nero here?

also we're waiting for pk

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doesn't matter, we're not voting till everyone claims

he'll have to at some point

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Am i not scum with vork trying hard to not get him lynched ... ?

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i mean it's kinda silly to use you/vork as examples of my reads being wrong at this stage

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i never claimed my reads were perfect

just that i was right on some stuff that i feel like people should have listened to me about :shrug:

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I was going to ask if you read day3 sarcastically, but then realized you actually didnt

I already had my 1v1 with nero, and think he's scum; not sure what else u expect of me here really

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Nero i'm confused how u started the day with: scum!me snd town!nom, and have now reached the opposite conclusion; i dont get how u went from one pov to the other

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Pk u need to claim now

I also want to know your thoughts on nero's claim, specifically why uou think it may or may not be credible

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At this point it probably doesn't matter b/c I think creature/piss are town anyways. I mean if Creature/Piss claims cop then its prob just a Vork and Creature/piss team but we'll see how it goes.

So, I'm a role cop.

its kinda old school logic that rolecop+miller=town miller. She can't confirm now but I had literally sent the mod a pm telling her that I knew (or at least thought) that cinna was town. Does that logic no longer apply since mods throw out millers like candy these days? But then scum was pushing that early game so in a way that makes me think that he was cinna was just town.

When I saw Shoshin claim and Nom hint that she was an invest I thought that Shoshin was prob full of bullshit since I knew I was an investigation role and the idea of 3 investigation roles didn't really make sense to me.

I investigated Salad N1 b/c I thought it would be helpful or something since a new guy that wasn't exceedingly town gets pushed at some point. He was vanilla.

I investigated Skitter n2 who is also vanilla. Since Vork (any maybe others) are likely to call bullshit b/c I'm claiming already outted results I had claimed my Skitter=vanilla result b/f she claimed just in case I died or that I was lynched.

n3 I investigated Vork and he is an encryptor. So that's our guilty and where we are lynching today.

Vork scum makes me feel seemi strongly that nom and piss are town since those are his pushes that aren't me.

And a Vork/Skitter team just makes a ton of sense to me anyways b/c when he got wagoned the other day, despite being her lowest town read and in her POE, she was defending the fuck out of him. I might dedicate a longer post with quotes and things but thats so much effort.

her reads and play have been astronomically bad.

scum reads me and salad=both wrong

tries to lynch town Nero over urap scum

town reads scum vork

VOTE: Vork

just claim and tell me what you think of this and then we'll go from there

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and you really need to claim; everyone else has already

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pk i'm p close to voting you on policy if the vork/nero thing is resolved correctly

it's massclaim; your slot has been sketchy/hazy wrt claims all game; it's mylo

you need to claim now

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not claiming is not an option

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and nero, maybe this is why why rolecops should check sketchy miller claims :lightbulb:

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yes, i know

like i said at this stage i'm kinda waiting around for you lot to come around to what i've been saying for a while

we're not ending the day till he claims so

if he refuses he's getting policied tomorrow (if we have a tomorrow etc), and if he's town the loss is on him
i have no problem with ending the game this way if he refuses to claim

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creature, talk to me about why you want to vote vork over nero

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Neither you nor skitter are good enough or mature enough to reset so the town loss is on you guys. Obv you two are going to blame me for not checking Cinna/pk and ok but there was talk of PL the slot and skitter and I got into it d2. If you guys wise up and Lynch vork Lynch ok tomorrow. Nero obv but my home internet isn't working

Maybe stop with the insults, ty

Again, you dont seem to care about the aftermath of todau - it really feels like you're doing anything u can to get this one mislynch in

@nom i think that's nero

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Vork is not a mislynch FFS get over yourself

so this is the bit i'm having trouble with

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I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.

i'm having a lot of trouble parsing this tbh

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idk about any of htat

i guess i'm slightly dubious that a fake-miller claim was literally started p1 and that if nero/pk are partners they wouldn't have coordinated around it better?

nero's still scum tho; i guess i just odn't know if it's with pk

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idk it feels wrong etiher way

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also pk if you're town here and we end up lynching you cuz you wouldnt' claim in mass claim i'm going to be more than a little bit annoyed

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yeah but it was fed to her like ... before the game started then ?

and then to not coordinate around it

idk it's p weird

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I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.

It's not so much that I don't understand how to play a miller it's that I don't understand why I'm a miller and something else.

That is correct, I believe my ability would be classified as a town pr. I don't think this would count as a role modifier.

Actually sorry, I just read the mafiawiki page. The extra part of my role is a role modifier.

Just because I'm inexperienced on this site doesn't mean I'm that inexperienced at mafia; I've played probably 100 games or so IRL.

I find it odd that you think it's more likely that, as a new player, I would be mafia who's trying to look confused as a miller rather than actually just being a miller. It's a terrible plan to start with; every miller claim I've seen has lead to something that looks exactly like this where there's tons of pressure on them right when they claim. Furthermore, as I am extremely new here I think it would be quite daunting to try to fake confusion right at the beginning of the game. I'm also basically asking to be lynched at some point as I don't think me being alive late in the game will help town.

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so much

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and nero, maybe this is why why rolecops should check sketchy miller claims :lightbulb:

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it's a thing - usually scum role pms have a link to the scum pt and people can just show up and talk there ; sometimes they do and sometimes they don't

urap probably wouldn't (?)

no idea about nero

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and nero, maybe this is why why rolecops should check sketchy miller claims :lightbulb:

Yeah but you don't get to argue that bc I didn't that I needed to be lynched. This is on you guys not me.

my good man, if your'e town here, there's really no way that this mess is *my* fault, thank you

if you're town try not mis-using your role and then claiming in the scummiest way possible

[skitter30]

You two need to get out of your conf bias and think about things critically

i'm working on it, thank you
if i wasn't i would have voted you already

again can you stop with the insults, ty

[skitter30]

I'm pissed that PK is not claiming but this stubborness might just be town and his "lol im a troll!" attitude he used to enter this game but urgh

okay. I was a doc. 2shot.

also there's a full doc in this game i mean really

if it's true you'd be a reverse miller to the gunsmith ???

aiaoa90fa0doijioj

[skitter30]

and why would you not just claim that ffs

[skitter30]

Also Id revisit dunn

bro did an outie latey?

what the ever-loving fuck is this

should i read this as a townslip? disengaged scum? i don't even know

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@Skitter Wouldn't it be bastard to put a scum doc in the same game as a gunsmith?
Roughly for the same reason that godfather isn't a normal role?

no the nrg doesn't have a problem with this, oddly enough

(no idea what the logic behind this is, but scum-doc is fine in normals with gunsmiths)

[skitter30]

if vork is scum i need to know who the partner is

i want to sort the whole game today

[skitter30]

also they're fine with ninjas so ?

[skitter30]

i have no fucking idea at this point; i need to reread parts of day1 i think

pk is more credible, i think (?)

[skitter30]

i've been assuming that he's claiming 2s doc-miller

i have no idea why he wouldn't just claim this tho; presumably the shots are up already

[skitter30]

i think scum!doc makes sense with a gs but then i'm confused why we started with the miller claim way back on p1 in taht case

although 2s doc against 1 gunsmith and 1 vig seems like a lot + if rolecopped he might get cleared? idk feels like a lot of scum power in this game

but then pk was confused about the miller when he repped in i think

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In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers. A Werewolf faction should be treated the same as any other Mafia family.

@nom just btw

i have no idea what the logic is but yeah

[skitter30]

i have too many conflicting pieces of information rn that don't make sense together

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i'm not even following this convo anymore, i need to just think about all of this for a bit

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I didnt check out everyones claims. so idk what they claimed.

Then how did you know that Nero had a guilty on Vork?

By searching for the word 'encryptor'? Not a very common phrase in most games.

this is an *incredibly* weird thing to search for if you don't know what the claims are, since, as you said, it's not a very common phrase in most games

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i'm trying to decide if pk not knowing hta tdunn is dead is a townslip

anyways g'night

[skitter30]

Incidentally *i* think nero's lying

This game is confusing me greatly rn

[skitter30]

no

Sigh

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tbh Vork is acting like some scum told by his partner to stay acting up

failing hard obviously

Why is nero more credible than vork rn, please answer this ty

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If pk is not actually claiming 2s doc i'm back at nero/pk i think

And at this point even if he is i'm not sure i believe it anymore

I dont like the way the two of them are interacting today

And at the very least if nero is town he colossally screwed up by not checking the sketchy miller claim that is now not actuallu claiming

[skitter30]

Maybe he should have done that already ... ?

That's thr problem, why did he not do that already ???

[skitter30]

Creature, again, why do you believe nero over vork rn?

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Creature, again, why do you believe nero over vork rn?

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Can you stop ignoring the question, ty?

[skitter30]

Why?

Does his reasons for not checking the miller make sense to you?

Does the setup make sense to you?

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Also how are you reading me here?

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Lol really ?

An encryptor is almost negative utility when the meta is shifting towarsa daytalk being the norm

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He should have just claimed vork was a strongman or something, that would at least make the setup semi believable ...

Also i kinda feel like salad was a 'check' because salad flipped already and he needed something for n1 almost

[skitter30]

No shit

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Why the fuck do you .... not claim the sketchy miller claim, wtf

makes some sense actually. i dont think he should have auto-checked me.

I think that's literally the best thing he could have done with his role, esp since i still dont know what *yours* is

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Can u say what ur role is mow?

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Im a miller.

Your slot claimed it has 'another part to their role' besides miller on p1

And you've also apparently claimed 2s doc, said you werent a miller, etc

[skitter30]

I think everybody townreads skitter here, right?

You dont apparently

Neither does

And i think nero is paying lipservice to townreading me

But altogether there arent the votes necessary to lynch me today so it doesnt actually matter

[skitter30]

I think everybody townreads skitter here, right?

You dont apparently

Neither does

And i think nero is paying lipservice to townreading me

But altogether there arent the votes necessary to lynch me today so it doesnt actually matter

Neither does who?

Pk, sorry

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I'm p sure that isnt a thing under current nrg guidelines

[skitter30]

The op actually doesnt mention daytalk ???

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n Normal Games on mafiascum.net, Mafia do not need an Encryptor to have daytalk, but if they have it without an Encryptor it needs to be announced beforehand.

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I actually think that makes nero's claim slightly more credible ...

[skitter30]

Nero is super focused on getting this one lynch.

I feel obligated to point out that we have a no lynch to burn

Yes, i believe i pointed that out *multiple* times

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Nero Cain (2):

Vorkuta, nomnomnom

Vorkuta (1):

Nero Cain

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, Creature, pisskop

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-30 21:10:00)

it does force scum to kill a person.

Does it?
I don't believe it does even. And if they do they'll kill skitter because of me screaming like a maniac that she's town. Or they'll kill me to push Skitter down the line because of me screaming like a maniac that she's town.

All a no-lynch will do is kill one of the votes to break a 3-3 deadlock in favor of scum

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We arent deadlocked. And 'breaking the deadlock' shows us much info.

We were until like an hour ago

What do u think happens overnight if we no lynch

Eli5 why this will benefit us

[skitter30]

We arent deadlocked. And 'breaking the deadlock' shows us much info.

We were until like an hour ago

What do u think happens overnight if we no lynch

Eli5 why this will benefit us

[skitter30]

Is this like the longest mini normal ever ...

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gl hv

creature i suggest you also take this route.

Can u just explain what you're thinking ...

Like why is it so hard to get answers out of you

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We arent deadlocked. And 'breaking the deadlock' shows us much info.

We were until like an hour ago

What do u think happens overnight if we no lynch

Eli5 why this will benefit us

@pk

I need to reread parts of day1, i think

[skitter30]

General refresher + i think associatives are easier to pick out on day1 in retrospect

It's mylo so i need to do a little introspection before voting

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Kk
I do need some time here, sorry

I have a tendency to drag things out in mylo - not on purpose i just tend to overthink everything

Hopefully it wont take too long till i'm ready to vote

[skitter30]

Also creature how did u say you're reading me ... ?

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Also holy shit you guys, you think that scum nero claims role cop and claims to have not investigated buddy piss?

Yeah this is the part that's throwing a wrench in the nero/pk thing to me

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Nero Cain (2):

Vorkuta, nomnomnom

Vorkuta (1):

Nero Cain

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, Creature, pisskop

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-30 21:10:00)

for this pairing yeah.
I've been trying to explore Nero-Creature but that wasn't discussed yet for some reason.

Yeah that's part of what i need to think about

Problem is i really dont think dp was scum, and esp not with urap

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No, do that now

[skitter30]

I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.

like i still want to know what the other part of the role is ffs

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just confirming you know alts aren’t allowed to be newbs.

sure they are. We all started out as newbs. Alts can't be in newbie games as anything other than IC or SE though.

let's kill that fake miller claim.

VOTE: Cinnamon

i still think dp and urap aren't partners because of like pages 1 and 2

i don't know what to do with this post from nero

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Nero Cain (2):

Vorkuta, nomnomnom

Vorkuta (1):

Nero Cain

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, Creature, pisskop

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-30 21:10:00)

So cinn is hard claiming a scum pr or town pr with a miller mod.

also u think scum can be millers ... ?

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I think Cinn is probably town

uh huh

[skitter30]

I dont get what you're asking rn, sorry

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Just because I'm inexperienced on this site doesn't mean I'm that inexperienced at mafia; I've played probably 100 games or so IRL.

I find it odd that you think it's more likely that, as a new player, I would be mafia who's trying to look confused as a miller rather than actually just being a miller. It's a terrible plan to start with; every miller claim I've seen has lead to something that looks exactly like this where there's tons of pressure on them right when they claim. Furthermore, as I am extremely new here I think it would be quite daunting to try to fake confusion right at the beginning of the game. I'm also basically asking to be lynched at some point as I don't think me being alive late in the game will help town.

this is such a townie post tho

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vork isn't scum with pk based on like p4

ok i gotta go for weekend v/la will be back tomorrow night probably, if not sunday then

pedit yeah i'd maybe consider a pk lynch today, but i'm not sure if i want to do that rn

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So cinn is hard claiming a scum pr or town pr with a miller mod.

also u think scum can be millers ... ?

this is actually important, can you answer this?

bye now

[skitter30]

hello i've read exactly nothing since i've been here last

[skitter30]

hello i've read exactly nothing since i've been here last

Honestly I am so unsure about that 1v1 I'm considering a PK lynch especially since he invoked a strongman existing in this game while pushing you as last scum. Might be slip.

uuurgh please

point me to this?

i mean a strongman existing would explain the shoshin nk n1

idk why scum!nero fakes an encryptor guilty over a strongman guilty either

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scum!NC v. Skitter- ha. ha. ha. no. Skitter wins

like i said, if he was scum and just claimed vt i probably get lynched at start of day

[skitter30]

now i don't think i'm lynchable anymore

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there aren't four votes

also how were 15 pages posted in like a day ... did anything important happen or ... ?

otherwise i'm just going to ignore it as noise and continue looking at day1

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i know, he wouldn't answer why he thought that was a good idea yesterday

as far as i can tell it's kinda 3-3 nero v vork - no-lynching just kills in favor of scum as far as i can tell, and the gridlock gets broken that way
am i missing something here ?

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no-lynching just kills in favor of scum as far as i can tell

Well, I believe you're a good player. My reads are also pretty flexible.

So no, it's not going to be one scum kills one town player on the opposing side and the wrong town doesn't bat an eye.

i'm p sure you're the wrong!townie here and i'm nervous that if i'm like dead overnight you'll just vote wrong

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Nero Cain (1):

Vorkuta

Vorkuta (1):

Nero Cain

No Lynch (1):

pisskop

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, Creature, nomnomnom

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-30 21:10:00)

i guess if i'm alive tomorrow after a no-lynch that would be an indicator that i need to rethink things

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no-lynching just kills in favor of scum as far as i can tell

Well, I believe you're a good player. My reads are also pretty flexible.

So no, it's not going to be one scum kills one town player on the opposing side and the wrong town doesn't bat an eye.

i'm p sure you're the wrong!townie here and i'm nervous that if i'm like dead overnight you'll just vote wrong

That's like a 50/50 judging my undecisiveness.

idk what you're trying to say, sorry

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S

i think most of today is noise, honestly

we've posted like 1000 posts in like three irl days (we reached post 5000 this dayphse)

i think rereading day1 will be more helpful

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no-lynching just kills in favor of scum as far as i can tell

Well, I believe you're a good player. My reads are also pretty flexible.

So no, it's not going to be one scum kills one town player on the opposing side and the wrong town doesn't bat an eye.

i'm p sure you're the wrong!townie here and i'm nervous that if i'm like dead overnight you'll just vote wrong

That's like a 50/50 judging my undecisiveness.

idk what you're trying to say, sorry

I flipflop quite a lot at LyLo.

I don't think you'd ever be able to persuade me or something, just hope I land where you want.

i know, that's why i don't really want to leave the decision to you tom

i'm p sure tht all of me/nero/creature are town, tbh

and that scum is two of {nero/vork/pk}

so barring nero/vork being a thing maybe pk is just the right lynch idk

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i'm p sure tht all of me/

nero

/creature are town, tbh

Pardon?

oh that was meant to be nom, sorry

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

u r a person 2 (2):

teacher, Nero Cain

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

Cinnamon (1):

Vorkuta

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

Vorkuta(1):

Dunnstral

NerfedBuj (1):

nomnomnom

nomnomnom (1):

u r a person 2

Nero Cain (1):

NerfedBuJ

Not Voting (4):

skitter30, Saladman27, EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

- skitter30 has not picked up her role PM but is also v/la until Tuesday 6/11. She has until Tuesday EOD to confirm before she gets replaced.

Flavor:

Spoiler: Good night Cali!

I'm like really lazy and I don't want to go back and quote multiple VC's although it'll prob prove my point better.

So I started the game scum reading urap. (yes, my cinnabunny push was fake and I just wanted to see what happened.)

For awhile teacher and urap were cross voting and sitting on each other with urap only getting off to delay OMGUS his voter.

My initial response was "these guys are scum together"

As you can see teacher is still sitting on urap despite

Urap

and cinnamon are town.

So he's being shit with his vote.

I don't understand why I'm a miller and

something else.

Why’d you jump in?
Why’d you chop it so it looks like me speaking?

this is mainly for Nom and I know he's not Bob but this IS similar to the same thing Bob did. Could this be a newbie scum tell?

Woah, jump from TR to vote is pretty aggro and illogical. Care to explain?

I also did not like his light defense of the urap wagon.

Similarly, I don't like how DP is sitting on an empty slot.

I am p sure that thier/doubters defences will be "its p9! and there's nothing strong to go on." but thats how I feel rn.

This post + pushing teacher over urap is nagl for nero

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Reminder that

The ratings are tongue in cheek to express my disapproval for nomx3's bad push on urap2 that I just don't buy.

Fuck it- my meta read on urap2 is based on a newbie game anyway, and seeing where this wagon leads us is interesting
VOTE: urap2

lol these are townie

Bleh maybe this was just a hard defense of a partner

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Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

Still ick and kinda discrediting-y of me; incidentally on the previous page i listed vork and urap as my two scumreads

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Nom x3 first as she basically outright scum claimed
Then you after nom flips red

like nothing you've posted feels like something you actually believe

Vork early game is actually p bad

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I'll be honest I have a hard time taking someone's townreads when they are doing it on people that have max a few posts. FMPOV that sounds absolutely insane but maybe that's just because I find it extremely tedious to sort that sort of slot, so you know.

I think I agree with the case on Vork but not much else, that's where I stand right now.

not sure what u mean/are referring to by the first paragraph, sorry

Talking specifically about your Flubber/Salad/BuJ townreads here. These guys have not posted much and having townreads on them even as a hypothetical maybe sounds really really odd. Then again I mostly read players on interactions so maybe that explains it. I'd need more posts to make an accurate assessment of that kind of player.

I was actually 3/3 at the time, which is p cool

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i'm p sure i've seen town lolclaim miller before

Well I haven't *shrugs*
Unless you count the town!FL's "tinker tailor soldier spy, miller mason vig cop" nonsense in every game

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

Oh boy I swear I've explained this so well that even fucking bunny himself gets it by now
-to subvert the traditional "naked miller claim" and put a new spin on it
-to provide "LAMIST" insurance in the form of "IM MODIFIED"
-to gain even more "LAMIST" points via the "hey guys, I'm totally keeping scum guessing amirite" appeal
-how the hell should I know what ridiculous/next-level plan they came up with?

so the important bit is that i find it significantly more likely for the modified thing to come from town who has some sort of compound/modifier role, than scum deciding to try out a new spin on ye old fake miller claim. also they're new to the site ... i find it really hard to believe that they knew how to subvert the 'fake-claim miller as scum' meta in just that way in one of their first games here - like it reads really authentic, and i'd be p surprised if new-to-the-site scum could fake it in a way that rang true like that

and i don't think the modified claim read as lamist at all, it read p real to me

where have you even seen scum fake-claim miller 3 different tiems? i don't think i've ever seen that?