Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:25 pm

In post 4658, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4655, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4643, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4641, Creature wrote:
In post 4639, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4636, Creature wrote:I just wanna lynch Vork today tbh
This is pretty much a Vork vs Nero.
Why would you lynch Vork over Nero?
doesn't exclude Vork and Nero scumteam.

Also, I have a PoE of Nero, Vork and skitter and I doubt Nero and skitter are scum together.
With Nero's claim, Skitter is pretty much conftown in every scenario so that's not the problem.
The problem is that if we lynch wrong, the game ends.

This is why you are asked to read a game
Why am i conftown here?
If Nero is scum that means you and him spent the entire game setting up a thorough and long scumtheater taking up a shit load of pages and I guess I'll admit defeat if this is REALLY what happened.

If Nero is town that means that from a setup perspective it literally is impossible that you can be scum because that would mean the scumteam consists of 2 goons and 1 encryptor vs all these power roles.

So his claim is basically making you conftown. And given he hasn't realized that, it makes me think that scum!Nero perhaps didn't think that claim through.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:25 pm

fuck obviously I fuck up the quoting.

In post 4658, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4655, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4643, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4641, Creature wrote:
In post 4639, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 4636, Creature wrote:I just wanna lynch Vork today tbh
This is pretty much a Vork vs Nero.
Why would you lynch Vork over Nero?
doesn't exclude Vork and Nero scumteam.

Also, I have a PoE of Nero, Vork and skitter and I doubt Nero and skitter are scum together.
With Nero's claim, Skitter is pretty much conftown in every scenario so that's not the problem.
The problem is that if we lynch wrong, the game ends.
Why am i conftown here?
If Nero is scum that means you and him spent the entire game setting up a thorough and long scumtheater taking up a shit load of pages and I guess I'll admit defeat if this is REALLY what happened.

If Nero is town that means that from a setup perspective it literally is impossible that you can be scum because that would mean the scumteam consists of 2 goons and 1 encryptor vs all these power roles.

So his claim is basically making you conftown. And given he hasn't realized that, it makes me think that scum!Nero perhaps didn't think that claim through.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:28 pm

In post 5163, pisskop wrote:Unless nero returns an actual 'vanilla town' role on skitter, she isnt clear.

Nero. did you recieve an explicit 'vanilla town' role on skitter? or just some vague crap?

You are simply embarassing.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:29 pm

In post 5164, Gollum wrote:Nom, between you an Dunn there are only 3 shots. That's not that many

Why are you always excluding yourself from the "investigative shots" lol

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:30 pm

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nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:31 pm

@Vork are you the kind of person asking for people to bus you?
What's your stance on bussing partners?
Examples would be appreciated.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:33 pm

I'm losing IQ between Nero (even though that has calmed quite a fair bit) and PK just like

ouch

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:34 pm

In post 5168, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5164, Gollum wrote:Nom, between you an Dunn there are only 3 shots. That's not that many
Why are you always excluding yourself from the "investigative shots" lol

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:35 pm

In post 5178, pisskop wrote:I didnt check out everyones claims. so idk what they claimed.

Then how did you know that Nero had a guilty on Vork?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:36 pm

In post 5179, Gollum wrote:
In post 5168, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5164, Gollum wrote:Nom, between you an Dunn there are only 3 shots. That's not that many
Why are you always excluding yourself from the "investigative shots" lol
You are pushing me as a scum rolecop, yes? If I was a scum rolecop that would mean town only has 3 shots. Do you feel like that's enough?

There's a doc with it. And there's a vig shot.
I think that could be enough, and that would justify a scum having a rolecop, quite possibly.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:37 pm

In post 5182, pisskop wrote:
In post 5180, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5178, pisskop wrote:I didnt check out everyones claims. so idk what they claimed.
Then how did you know that Nero had a guilty on Vork?
By searching for the word 'encryptor'? Not a very common phrase in most games.

Why would you search for the word encryptor if you are not aware of people's claims?

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:37 pm

In post 5181, pisskop wrote:Id trust myself, and my 100+ games and double digits modded games and et al first.

Maybe you need 100+ more games to understand that skitter literally cannot be scum and to be able to read a simple post :/

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:38 pm

In post 5187, pisskop wrote:like nero has dropped that cue how many times thus far?

You said you were not aware of people's claims but you entered the claim fully aware of Nero's guilty on Vork.
Don't divert the situation. These are your own words.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:39 pm

entered the day*

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:40 pm

You are also repeating, word for word, what Nero has incorrectly assumed at the beginning of today.
I'm starting to think you guys discussed this in your PT and you did not realize the implications of that rolecop claim.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:42 pm

VOTE: Nero
Nero/PK makes too much sense.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:44 pm

In post 5196, pisskop wrote:
In post 5194, nomnomnom wrote:and you did not realize the implications of that rolecop claim.
if you say so.

Its starting to sound like you dont know what youre doing yourself.

YOU ARE TRYING TO PUSH A LITERAL CONFTOWN AS SCUM IN THIS GAME
SAY THAT AGAIN

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:46 pm

In post 3876, pisskop wrote:daily reminder that vork is scum.

Any proposed plan needs to include scumvork getting lynched

In post 3950, pisskop wrote:Vork is scum

In post 4363, pisskop wrote:
In post 4362, Vorkuta wrote:back off them on D1 so....
Daily reminder that this is scum

In post 4381, pisskop wrote:daily reminder that that is scum ^^^

In post 4387, pisskop wrote:VOTE: vork

In post 4395, pisskop wrote:Sounds like you too are reading vork and skitter as the team.

come and join us. Unless you think the unpresent dunn is scum

In post 4428, pisskop wrote:Yea I still think its one of skitter/vork/salad

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:47 pm

In post 5205, pisskop wrote:
In post 5202, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5196, pisskop wrote:
In post 5194, nomnomnom wrote:and you did not realize the implications of that rolecop claim.
if you say so.

Its starting to sound like you dont know what youre doing yourself.

YOU ARE TRYING TO PUSH A LITERAL CONFTOWN AS SCUM IN THIS GAME
SAY THAT AGAIN
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SHE ISNT CONFIRMED YOU DUMB SHIT.

DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT 'VANILLA' MEANS IN CONTEXT OF A RESULT PM?

Tell me again how the team is 2 goons and an encryptor vs 2 joats (3 invest shots 1 vig shot) 1 rolecop 1 full doc 1 2-shot doc (miller??).

I fucking dare you.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:48 pm

Let me guess your next line

"Don't try to outguess the mod".

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:51 pm

Then perhaps it's REALLY time to reread today.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:55 pm

Vork for christ sake.
Don't feed him he would have actually reread the game...

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:55 pm

Now he's just going to donk again and I'm going to lose more IQ.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:57 pm

I should really go to bed but I'm actually really pissed I have to deal with PK's stupid shit. For fuck sake.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:00 pm

In post 5227, pisskop wrote:Youre refusing to listen to a credible claim and still havent really clarified why skit is confed

Learn to read and that problem is easily avoided since I quoted my explanation post, and posted at least 20 times to Nero.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:00 pm

You are a literal donkey and the fact I have to deal with you as either alignment makes me want not to play.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:02 pm

In post 5233, pisskop wrote:bye.

Maybe you have a parent in the next room that can help out.

Or maybe a pedestrian walking by can read this and help you see the obvious.

Fuck off.

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:04 pm

You know I remember typing to TDC in a game where I had to convince him not to vote him despite him really wanting me to be scum because of my ramblings and my presence on lynches but HOLY FUCK THIS GAME AND YOU TWO ARE DRIVING ME NUTS

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:06 pm

how can you type this shit as town

I refuse to believe it
no

no

just no

what the fuck

you are fucking terrible

how

WHY JUST

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:07 pm

In post 5241, Gollum wrote:Nom, you are pushing me and pk as a team b/c he's echoing me. Vork is echoing you. So y is that not scummy of him and y r u not parinoid?

You've been literally typing the EXACT SAME REASONING, you and PK!!! My brain is l-iterally melting

nomnomnom · Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:08 pm

this is where i cant take this game anynore and i lose my cool and i say something that nets me a warning and no

i shouldn't get your stupidty get to me like this

i'm going to force myself to disconnect otherwise im going to say shit im going to regret

night

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:18 am

In post 5277, pisskop wrote:Alright, creature agrees with my analysis of vork.

nom. we need you to weigh in and join the rest of town

Even if you are all town I refuse to end today because of your dumb ass not understanding that Skitter is conftown and you saying you're going to vote her tomorrow, for christ sake.

And even then I think you're just blatantly lying and your intention is the same as Nero's, and you're trying to expediate today with the exact same garbage logic as Nero.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:21 am

Like this is pretty much the reason I am voting Nero right now. I just think this is a massive scum fail where the scums decided to try to push a guilty on vork with a Skitter partner and massively failed to recognize that this analysis would confirm Skitter as town. The fact that the two of you have repeated THE EXACT SAME THING THAT WAS PROVEN IMPOSSIBLE is proof that there's something deeply wrong on top of your claimed roles. Plus you're playing with your role claim again like it doesn't matter when it's the crux of the conversation.

Vork has been acting scummy yes. And his sudden analysis of that doc shot is ????. But like... the mechanical solve.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:25 am

In post 5300, pisskop wrote:
In post 5299, nomnomnom wrote:Skitter is conftown
how?

please explain this to me. i dont see it.

Okay, for the last fucking time.
Nero claimed to have a Vanilla result on Skitter night 2.
Nero claimed to have an Encryptor result on Vork night 3.
We have had urap flipping goon as a result of our day 2 lynch.

We have 2 claimed JOATs, a rolecop and a doc at the very least excluding your role since you think it's funny obscuring it.
A urap-vork-skitter team would mean the team is a team consisting of 2 goons, and an encryptor. Those claimed roles has a follow-the-cop built in it. As I said before, the moment a town rolecop checks a doctor, they claim there is a doctor this game, and they can just check the entire town and that's pretty much a town win right there.

You have claimed to have 100+ games played. I know that I've seen some people complain on site that the games were getting increasingly more town sided. But does that ever seem possible to you?

If not, then Skitter is conftown.

There. Please do not make me repeat this again as it's quite important for the discourse of today and the analysis of Nero.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:26 am

I'm also sorry for insulting you yesterday. Lack of sleep and frustration makes you say really shitty stuff. But honestly that's just frustrating to repeat.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:29 am

I also know that you think that Vork is scum through and through and he also was my preferred lynch on day 1 and no one wanted to push there at all, and it was for the same reasons you highlighted. I was told that it was his style of play.

Do you think I was right back then and that it should have been our day 1 lynch?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:30 am

In post 5307, pisskop wrote:
In post 5305, nomnomnom wrote:A urap-vork-skitter team would mean the team is a team consisting of 2 goons, and an encryptor. Those claimed roles has a follow-the-cop built in it. As I said before, the moment a town rolecop checks a doctor, they claim there is a doctor this game, and they can just check the entire town and that's pretty much a town win right there.
they dont though?

We have a rolecop who only guilties on one of the three scum?

It's not really about the guilties though. A rolecop would be able to check the wholetown and confirm claim names. That's very powerful.

Again, if a rolecop can only get one guilty on a team of 3 scums, does it make sense to you that this is a town rolecop? Do you understand why I am voting Nero here?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:34 am

Nero's checks don't make sense as a town rolecop either. You would have been checked and I would have been checked, at the very least. There was actually no reason not to ever check me or you as it would make use of a rolecop optimally especially since you were obscuring your role on purpose, and that he had the feeling I was a town invest from my play. Salad's check on day 1 is absurd and nonsensical considering what happened on day 1, so even if we go with the theory that "I am a cop I check scums!" then the main contender to be checked was URAP at the time.

There are a lot of things that make me thing this setup has a scum rolecop.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:34 am

I also recall Nero not claiming his role at all and he was literally at L-1. That's a big alarm sign.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:37 am

I think actually that this claim makes sense for something like a x-shot scum rolecop, and that is why he went forward with vanilla check and an encryptor guilty, because it's the least risky choice to make. I am fairly sure he must have checked me throughout the game and decided not to nightkill me because my role is not that big of a threat.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:37 am

In post 5315, pisskop wrote:
In post 5310, nomnomnom wrote:does it make sense to you that this is a town rolecop? Do you understand why I am voting Nero here?
An encryptor is very powerful.

We have a

-vanilla-cop/vig
-doc
-miller
-rolecop

-encryptor
-goon x2

Am i understanding this right?

you're missing my joat claim
joat with 1 gs shot and 1 tracker shot

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:38 am

Also yes Encryptor is negative utility ESPECIALLY if you believe that this game has a town rolecop lol

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:39 am

In post 5320, pisskop wrote:yea.

GS?

gunsmith
If Nero is town that means I have two false positives on townies and that's icky design

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:40 am

Hallelujah.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:50 am

I just find it mind blowing that Nero, PK and creature, they all didn't get why skitter couldn't be scum and put her lynch on the table for tomorrow.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:54 am

Yeah but you also were not there and you refused to claim

Nero wanted to claim last too. Something to keep in mind.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:57 am

Didn't address Vork directly on the gollum account.

Checking on the NC one.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:00 am

In post 4511, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4508, Vorkuta wrote:-We do not have such music in motherland
you don't have youtube?!?

In post 4512, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4510, Vorkuta wrote:Anyway- obligatory did you get a *NO RESULT* or *DID NOT DO SHIT* PM for your shots?
me? I get neither or those.

In post 4654, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4494, Vorkuta wrote:Claim goes like this

Spoiler:

In post 4501, Vorkuta wrote:Vork- Ice Ice bab
Also, he's claiming vanilla to conform with the "went nowhere claim" but he is not.

Also, the distinction between claiming vanilla and not vanilla town seems like scum that knows he's not town.

In post 4692, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4690, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 4687, Nero Cain wrote:why you think Vork would be the one to make a kill.
Because my """"partner"""" would be out roleblocking/strong-manning/or otherwise PR-ing.

The fact that you didn't think this through is very vexing...
look, I found noms echo

In post 4700, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4695, Vorkuta wrote:lso I am 99% sure that town!PR nero outs such a hard guilty in his VERY FIRST POST and VOTE OF THE DAY, and not.... 'slow-draw mass claim' which we're obviously going to be doing anyway.
encryptor can be either alignment. It wasn't a hard guilty until you fake claimed vanilla.

checkmate

In post 4787, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4783, Vorkuta wrote:@Nero- where are your D2 skitter result crumbs that were allegedly BEFORE the claim?
I'm being asked to do busywork. YAY! lemme go find it b4 Skitter claims that I'm avoiding.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:02 am

I don't think I missed any other direct interaction.

Also why do you think I asked you to read today before interacting lol

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:03 am

WAIT

HOLD UP

I REMEMBER WHY THAT POST PINGED ME

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:04 am

In post 4447, Nero Cain wrote:first thing first is that I'm a (likely the) town investigation role so that means I full claim last. Then I'm going to talk about things.

In post 4498, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, I saw you hinting and then since I knew I was one I knew she was bullshitting. Kinda sad that she put herself above the town but maybe it all worked out, in the end, b/c it helps kinda "prove" my role.

Claiming he always knew I was some kind of invest then claiming he's the only town invest left?????
That's why I was ultra confused.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:06 am

In post 5345, pisskop wrote:
In post 4544, skitter30 wrote:Why the fuck do you .... not claim the sketchy miller claim, wtf
makes some sense actually. i dont think he should have auto-checked me.

Actually he really should have and I have a post that proves why.

In post 41, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 38, teacher wrote:just confirming you know alts aren’t allowed to be newbs.
sure they are. We all started out as newbs. Alts can't be in newbie games as anything other than IC or SE though.

let's kill that fake miller claim.

VOTE: Cinnamon

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:07 am

Like that night 1 check should have been you or me from the way he phrased it. That salad check is bullshit. I think this is scum that doesn't want to confirm anyone as town if he was to flip today.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:11 am

free me from this game ice cream man

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:25 am

Very fitting

Anything to discuss about, PK?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:29 am

In post 5354, pisskop wrote:
In post 4558, nomnomnom wrote:I also have a strong feeling that you would have checked either me or Shoshin after that day 1 too.

In post 5349, nomnomnom wrote:Like that night 1 check should have been you or me from the way he phrased it. That salad check is bullshit. I think this is scum that doesn't want to confirm anyone as town if he was to flip today.
I wasnt here, but why?

1. Nero first thought that Cinn's miller claim was bullshit and that's where he voted first. You are a rolecop and you think a miller claim is bullshit. Do you not check there night 1? Especially when the slot says "I am a miller but also something else and you guys shall never know!!!"?

2. Nero said that my push on Shoshin day 1 was indicative of me being town invest and that shoshin was bullshitting. In that scenario, don't you think that, as a rolecop, you check either me or Shoshin? Even if you believe I am town then why not check Shoshin to see if, indeed, as you suspect, she is not a cop as she was claiming?

These three checks are infinitely better than a salad check, which makes absolutely no sense in the context of how d1 unfolded.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:34 am

I agree, but that situation did not call for that check.
I'd understand being so confident in the fact I was right in the 1v1 with Shoshin and letting your confidence check somewhere else but not checking you night 1 when you suspect the slot lying and you are a rolecop is not a town rolecop thought process. I believe that Salad check is bullshit.

pedit: I don't get it, can you explain?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:37 am

yeah but I wasn't sure how that entered in your analysis but whatever. I believe logically anyone with suspicion of a miller claim as a rolecop, checks the miller night 1. That is fairly obvious to me.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:40 am

That would be lovely.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:42 am

:/
I'd very much like to get this over with, I don't see Nero town here.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:44 am

In post 5367, pisskop wrote:
In post 4562, nomnomnom wrote:Does Performer really make a setup where there is a possibility that my one gs shot returns 2 positives on two townies...
yea.

Also If I dont vote vork im voting skitter.

Do I really need to requote my whole post where I explain Skitter is conftown?
We're voting between Nero and Vork.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:45 am

In post 5368, pisskop wrote:
In post 5366, nomnomnom wrote::/
I'd very much like to get this over with, I don't see Nero town here.
youre gonna have to hardsell that. Im still reading. And doing other things on the comp, but slowly reading.

I'm selling it right now.
I think that if we put aside all the mechanical talk then Vork is scummier overall. But the mechanical talk is way too important here especially with so many dubious checks and plays coming from Nero.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:47 am

I don't expect any serious answer or contribution from PK anyway, he doesn't really want to collaborate.
I think this is a waste of time.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:48 am

I got some townvibes from that unvote and realizing he was dead wrong but trying to say he would still vote you even when shown the impossibility is just... yikes.,

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:49 am

Nero Cain (2):

Vorkuta, nomnomnom

Vorkuta (1):

Nero Cain

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, Creature, pisskop

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-30 21:10:00)

In post 5374, Creature wrote:I think everybody townreads skitter here, right?

It's mechanically impossible that she is scum here.
Without me repeating this over and over we would have PK, Nero and yourself trying to push her lynch tomorrow.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:53 am

The only scenario where she is scum, is where Nero is scum and they legit spent the entire game flinging shit at each other and crafting a convoluted scum theather, which I believe is not possible even for someone with "best scum team" under their name.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:56 am

In post 5380, pisskop wrote:
In post 4617, Creature wrote:Maybe we should nolynch and have Nero confirm pisskop's miller claim?
this is possibleable

This doesn't work and I explained why before.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:57 am

In post 5381, pisskop wrote:
In post 4620, nomnomnom wrote:There is literally a follow the cop built in the setup.
again, there isnt.

rolecop isnt that hot of a role.

We have me and Dunn with invest shots, there isn't only Nero that can be protected and can do this. It's simply town overkill. And again it makes way more sense with all these claims that scums would be given a sort of rolecop to check what's going on.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:59 am

Also please for the love of god I am going to lose my mind again trying to explain why Skitter is conftown and it's not going to end up in anything else than me just losing it so PLEASE, I took the effort to demonstrate by A + B that this is not possible.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:17 am

In post 5389, pisskop wrote:
In post 4700, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4695, Vorkuta wrote:lso I am 99% sure that town!PR nero outs such a hard guilty in his VERY FIRST POST and VOTE OF THE DAY, and not.... 'slow-draw mass claim' which we're obviously going to be doing anyway.
encryptor can be either alignment. It wasn't a hard guilty until you fake claimed vanilla.

checkmate
yo

That post still makes me laugh because there's no reason to think that an encryptor can be town if your only result is "encryptor" and nothing else lmao

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:20 am

Yeah but "Town encryptor" by itself only makes sense if you have a neighborizer in the game, otherwise it makes absolutely no sense.
That thought process would be valid if it was "Neighbor Encryptor" but there's literally no reason to think an "Encryptor" result is town with this configuration

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:22 am

I thought encryptor enabled daychat in any PT they were in, so I don't think that's how it works.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:25 am

Yeah, this pretty much confirms what I was saying. If you're a rolecop and you have an "encryptor" fullstop result in a game without a neighborizer there is no reason to believe that person is anything else but scum, so that post makes no sense

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:31 am

In post 5405, skitter30 wrote:I actually think that makes nero's claim slightly more credible ...

Just means that there isn't proof that Nero is bullshitting. It's only announced if they don't need an encryptor for daytalk. If it was in the OP that would mean Nero is 100% lying.

pedit: yeah what PK said

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:34 am

Like see, this is just this myriad of nonsensical things for a town rolecop to do that makes me think Nero is lying. This is one of them, even if it's one the more minor ones. I'm fairly sure a town!rolecop would be 100% aware of these things.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:39 am

With that said, a subversion of that trope, by giving town a sort of encryptor role without being able to be recruited would be funny if not bastard. Wonder if you could come up with something brilliant with that.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:43 am

In post 5410, pisskop wrote:Nero is super focused on getting this one lynch.

I feel obligated to point out that we have a no lynch to burn

A no lynch doesn't work. All the claims are on the table except yours but it doesn't prevent that he can be a scum rolecop and get a result that is accurate. That or he can fake another guilty. It doesn't help in fixing the 1v1 we have at all. And in the situation where Nero and you are the scumteam it only serves the purpose of creating massive WIFOM. So yeah.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:43 am

Like, I would be for a no lynch if I believed that Nero was not a rolecop. But my running theory is that he is a rolecop, just a scum one. A no lynch doesn't solve the problem.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:45 am

In post 5417, pisskop wrote:it does force scum to kill a person.

Does it?
I don't believe it does even. And if they do they'll kill skitter because of me screaming like a maniac that she's town. Or they'll kill me to push Skitter down the line because of me screaming like a maniac that she's town.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:46 am

I think Nero can die but under very specific circumstances. Vork pretty much never dies. I don't think you die either. Creature doesn't either. So yeah.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:49 am

I'm against it because it fixes no problem for the remaining townies.
Pushing a NL is not good here.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:51 am

Scums know the truth and they can play arount it at this point.
If Nero is scum NLing here gives him the greenlight to wifom. I don't want that.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:53 am

Yeah, it's extremely bad. Just no.
We can solve this today. A NL increases the chances of scums winning on all fronts.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:55 am

In post 5426, pisskop wrote:We arent deadlocked. And 'breaking the deadlock' shows us much info.

Dude.
The only reason you want a NL is, in the back of your mind, you think to yourself "haha nero can be a town rolecop and if that's the case then scums need to kill there

!!!!". But that's bad logic because if he is scum rolecop the result is the EXACT SAME, and on top of that you give him the scumteam the chance to design a LYLO they have a high chance of winning. That's the truth. This MYLO makes it harder to win for scums especially in this configuration. Scums like a NL here. I refuse to give them a NL.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:56 am

Also there is still creature to vote with us on both Nero and Vork so your bargain will not go anywhere.
A NL is bad. Discuss a lynch.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:57 am

Why do you think you are the nightkill here?
Why would scums nightkill you when one of the running theories is You and Nero being scums together? Hello?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:03 am

Like PK you went through possibly the worst ways to approach today
"I AM LYNCHING VORK AND NOT READING TODAY BYE"
"SKITTER IS VORK'S PARTNER DESPITE THE PROOF THAT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE"
"LET'S JUST NL LOL!"

Like get a grip dude.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:06 am

we would not be in this mess in the first place if you stopped acting so stubborn with your claim and instead read today, discuss with us, accepting the logic we went through together and proposing a good plan for once.

We would also not be in this mess if creature was more active and not acting so distant with his vote and that makes me stress the fuck out.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:08 am

In post 5438, pisskop wrote:
In post 5436, nomnomnom wrote:"SKITTER IS VORK'S PARTNER DESPITE THE PROOF THAT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE"
you dont know what impossible means, apparently

100% impossible. 100%.
I've had enough. Just stop. You are not even trying to read people's arguments and you're trying to push stuff that is impossible or straight up bad. I know part of mafia is dealing with people that are not bright but you are seriously push the limit and all I want is to advance the gamestate and win. Jesus. Please save me from this shit.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:10 am

Skitter can you vote Nero with me?
It would indicate if he refuses to vote Nero honestly.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:11 am

In post 5445, Creature wrote:
In post 5442, skitter30 wrote:Is this like the longest mini normal ever ...
idk how are there 3 players with 700+ posts

Because I have to retype the same shit over and over otherwise we would still have people pushing Skitter

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:16 am

I just wanna win a town game god damn it is that so hard to ask, I keep losing with dumb stuff happening and that is honestly depressing.
I'm not going to lose because of an idiot that doesn't read a game, acts like an idiot, doesn't claim, proposes a NL in a bad configuration for a NL, like fuck that. Fuck that. No. Just please for the sake of god I have been trying my hardest this game for everyone to listen and stop acting like idiots aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:32 am

I'm officially depressed.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:48 am

Nero Cain (2):

Vorkuta, nomnomnom

Vorkuta (1):

Nero Cain

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, Creature, pisskop

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-30 21:10:00)

Anything specific in mind or just a general reread?

We have time anyway since none of PK or creature seems to be collaborative anyway.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:53 am

Take your time if that's what you need.

If you have anything capital on Vork please let me see.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:04 am

In post 5456, Creature wrote:
In post 5454, skitter30 wrote:Also creature how did u say you're reading me ... ?
I'm inclined to think you're town, but I want to see what everyone thinks first before activating sheep mode.

Did you miss the mechanical confirmation, or are you being like PK and somehow thinking this is impossible?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:05 am

Skitter being scum is still possible despite that*

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:10 am

In post 5462, Creature wrote:
In post 5459, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5456, Creature wrote:
In post 5454, skitter30 wrote:Also creature how did u say you're reading me ... ?
I'm inclined to think you're town, but I want to see what everyone thinks first before activating sheep mode.
Did you miss the mechanical confirmation, or are you being like PK and somehow thinking this is impossible?
Is the mechanical confirmation setup spec or is there something else I missed?

It's pretty much setup spec, and me not believing that both scum!skitter and scum!nero can maintain a scumtheather this long.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:15 am

In post 5465, Creature wrote:Okay, so is it reasonable to active sheep mode on skitter?

Yeah. She's not scum.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:16 am

In post 5466, Gollum wrote:But I mean piss is being blatantly anti town. This is not scum that's worried about tomorrow this is scum that knows this game is over today. If I was scum this game would not be over after my Lynch thus I can only be town if my Lynch ends the game and it's a head scratcher that you guys don't see this

How do you reconciliate that thought with him stalling this gamephase out and wanting to cause a NL though?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:17 am

In post 5468, skitter30 wrote:
In post 5458, Gollum wrote:Also holy shit you guys, you think that scum nero claims role cop and claims to have not investigated buddy piss?
Yeah this is the part that's throwing a wrench in the nero/pk thing to me

There are a bunch of things that are weird for this pairing yeah.
I've been trying to explore Nero-Creature but that wasn't discussed yet for some reason.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:24 am

In post 5474, Gollum wrote:
In post 5469, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5466, Gollum wrote:But I mean piss is being blatantly anti town. This is not scum that's worried about tomorrow this is scum that knows this game is over today. If I was scum this game would not be over after my Lynch thus I can only be town if my Lynch ends the game and it's a head scratcher that you guys don't see this
How do you reconciliate that thought with him stalling this gamephase out and wanting to cause a NL though?
He's not lynching vork

But he voted there?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:24 am

Like basically what he wanted to do is skip reading today and vote with you.
Then we argued a bunch and he unvoted and is now stalling the gamephase.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:30 am

In post 5482, Creature wrote:If it's Nero + PK, it'd be 2 town JOATs, town doctor vs whatever scum is?

That'd be it, yeah.
Our shots are much potent in that configuration.
If nero's claim is true that means I have two false positives on him.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:38 am

You'd need to be a x-shot rolecop if scum. Which would make sense as to why you only outed vanilla results.

...I feel I'm starting to try and fit game configs with you as scum. But urgh. Like... so many mistakes, so much weird shit.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:40 am

No I feel like you have enough scum equity on your own. That's not my entire reasoning.
I still have many problems.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:45 am

In post 5496, Gollum wrote:Why is it even a big deal that I didn't auto notice skitter was town? Why should I have investigated you n1

Your problems seem p silly

Because I expect anyone with a town mindset to notice their results clearing someone??

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:46 am

In post 5498, skitter30 wrote:
In post 41, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 38, teacher wrote:just confirming you know alts aren’t allowed to be newbs.
sure they are. We all started out as newbs. Alts can't be in newbie games as anything other than IC or SE though.

let's kill that fake miller claim.

VOTE: Cinnamon
i still think dp and urap aren't partners because of like pages 1 and 2

i don't know what to do with this post from nero

THIS is what makes me think as town he would have checked Cinn night 1. 1000%. Anyone would have. I would have and I'm pretty sure you would have too.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:49 am

Okay, thought experiment here.

Is there ever a world where we lynch outside of Vork and Nero if we can't make our mind today and we're sure that PK is too scummy for it? Because god damn this anti-town behavior.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:51 am

In post 5505, skitter30 wrote:I dont get what you're asking rn, sorry

my question is

could we ever consider a PK lynch today

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:04 am

In post 5514, Creature wrote:
In post 5495, skitter30 wrote:
In post 8, Cinnamon wrote:I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.
like i still want to know what the other part of the role is ffs
We can pretend pisskop is claiming to be just miller and nothing else until pisskop says otherwise.

Except we're in a MYLO and massclaim situation sooo

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:09 am

In post 5517, Gollum wrote:Nom, barring "Nero fake claimed a guilty" Wich is wrong btw...why is vork town?

I don't have many arguments for him being town actually.
It's more of a "who is scummier" deal.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:10 am

How he plays makes it hard to discern his alignment. I voted him day one for a reason. What you pointed at, are reasons of why I voted him day 1. Yet I was told this was playstyle. And back then you laughed at me too jokingly for not getting that push anywhere. So yeah.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:11 am

In post 5518, Creature wrote:
In post 5516, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5514, Creature wrote:
In post 5495, skitter30 wrote:
In post 8, Cinnamon wrote:I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.
like i still want to know what the other part of the role is ffs
We can pretend pisskop is claiming to be just miller and nothing else until pisskop says otherwise.
Except we're in a MYLO and massclaim situation sooo
pisskop is vanilla miller until he claims what he actually is.

If he wants to stick with the vanilla miller claim when he isn't, then he's throwing.

Then what do you think about Cinnamon claiming he is miller AND something else?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:14 am

In post 5523, pisskop wrote:
In post 5521, nomnomnom wrote:How he plays makes it hard to discern his alignment
No, it makes it easier to excuse his play, not harder to discern his alignment.

If he plays like this as town then it makes it hard to discern if he's town or scum.
What kind of play on words is this? lol

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:14 am

In post 5525, pisskop wrote:Consider me on vork when it comes to it. No other will do

VOTE: No Lynch

...Then just vote Vork?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:16 am

In post 5528, Gollum wrote:Maybe it is just vork-nom but if it was you guys then I don't get piss at all here

PK is scummy as fuck and honestly I'm starting to consider voting there and solving your 1v1 tomorrow.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:18 am

I'd actually like to ask both you and Vork what you think of this. Would you vote outside of the 1v1 ever today?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:25 am

In post 5531, Gollum wrote:What new info would we get? Part of me is like I rather Lynch piss over confirmed town but there's a guilty on scum. Why are you so unwilling to believe vork is scum?

It's not that I have trouble believing vork could be scum.
I have trouble believing you could be town with all these lines you have taken, and the way you handled things.

If we lynch PK and he's scum this is massive information we can work with to solve the 1v1, obviously. I'm just asking if, yes or no, you would be ready to lynch there today, or if you would say no and stay on Vork.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:35 am

@Vork same question basically

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:44 am

I'm asking a question to Vork to sort him please do not interfere.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:02 pm

In post 5542, Creature wrote:Are we firm that there's one scum between the PR claimers and one scum between the VT claimers?

I'm not actually sure this is the reasoning we use?
there's one scum in Vork/Nero because of Nero claiming a guilty there.
The other scum is in the other lists, aside from Skitter which has been confirmed town via Nero's claim and play.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:16 pm

In post 5544, Creature wrote:
In post 5543, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5542, Creature wrote:Are we firm that there's one scum between the PR claimers and one scum between the VT claimers?
I'm not actually sure this is the reasoning we use?
there's one scum in Vork/Nero because of Nero claiming a guilty there.
The other scum is in the other lists, aside from Skitter which has been confirmed town via Nero's claim and play.
I mean is it defined it is Nero + Vork/skitter/me or Vork + Nero/piss/you?

Not really, it's not defined yet?
Nero PK is possible for instance.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:21 pm

In post 5550, Creature wrote:
In post 5548, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5544, Creature wrote:
In post 5543, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5542, Creature wrote:Are we firm that there's one scum between the PR claimers and one scum between the VT claimers?
I'm not actually sure this is the reasoning we use?
there's one scum in Vork/Nero because of Nero claiming a guilty there.
The other scum is in the other lists, aside from Skitter which has been confirmed town via Nero's claim and play.
I mean is it defined it is Nero + Vork/skitter/me or Vork + Nero/piss/you?
Not really, it's not defined yet?
Nero PK is possible for instance.
Meaning 2 fairly weak JOATs + doctor vs 2 goons + rolecop?

I think that's in the realm of possibilities, that doesn't seem outrageous at least?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:22 pm

In post 5551, Gollum wrote:If nom this I'm a rolecop then scum would be encryptor+rolecop+goon

No?
The last scum wouldn't need to be an encryptor.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:22 pm

is that a slip?

lmao

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:24 pm

In post 5556, Gollum wrote:I have an encryptor result on vork so yes scum have an encryptor

My point is that if you're scum, the last scum doesn't need to be an encryptor... which you implied it would be.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:27 pm

i s
t h a t
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s l i p

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:31 pm

In post 5560, Creature wrote:
In post 5559, nomnomnom wrote:i s
t h a t
a
s l i p
Probably not as hypotheticaltown!Nero knows encryptor is present and so he assumes we should also be sure.

He's trying to defuse an argument by asking balance, by asking me balance with goon/rolecop/encryptor. Encryptor isn't guaranteed but he implies it it. This is a false argument.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:33 pm

In post 5566, Creature wrote:
In post 5563, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5560, Creature wrote:
In post 5559, nomnomnom wrote:i s
t h a t
a
s l i p
Probably not as hypotheticaltown!Nero knows encryptor is present and so he assumes we should also be sure.
He's trying to defuse an argument by asking balance, by asking me balance with goon/rolecop/encryptor. Encryptor isn't guaranteed but he implies it it. This is a false argument.
I think he's just being pretty stubborn.

There's a difference between being stubborn, and invoking false arguments and impossible rhetoric... which he has done multiple times already.

I so want to vote Vork but my heart tells me that this shit is too scummy dude.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:44 pm

learn to read a post

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:49 pm

In post 5574, Creature wrote:
In post 1, ofrhz wrote:- Scum players may submit factional abilities on their teammates' behalf.
probably indicates it can't be 2 goons + encryptor

Present in any ruleset so not a good basis to work on.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:50 pm

In post 5579, Creature wrote:Still pretty inclined to believe Nero here based on play alone.

Can you precise that thought?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:50 pm

His play *is* what makes me think he's probably not town lol

I believed him being town before he claimed and then it kinda all shattered.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:57 pm

In post 5583, Gollum wrote:There was nothing scummy about my claim and why should I not tell the truth as town? Like I guess if you and skit think I should have done piss @ some point fair but that doesn't make me scum

Dude, it's a bunch of things that are very important.
You continuously pushing Skitter is really bad too because as per role you should have realized she was conftown. You're going to dismiss that but NO, it's capital, it's literally the most important thing ever especially when we're determining who's scum. It's all of these things combined.

If you claimed VT, I would have voted Skitter I think. But it's your claim and how you play today that makes you ultra scummy. It's dissonant with the rest of this game too.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:59 pm

In post 5585, Creature wrote:Meh, I'm actually leaning Vork + skitter

s k i t t e r i s t o w n

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:00 pm

In post 5587, Gollum wrote:Also I have a guilty on vork and idk if he'd get lynched without the guilt so I think it turned out fine. Piss is scummy in his own right and will be lynched on play. Only kinda bad thing is that if you are town you look like shit for not wanting vork lynched

I don't care about looking like shit I want to lynch scum!!!!!!!!!!

And to stop idiots from wanting to lynch skitter for no reason!!!!!!!!

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:04 pm

In post 5591, Creature wrote:One of the reviewers' game: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76303

In post 5593, Creature wrote:
In post 5591, Creature wrote:One of the reviewers' game: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76303
Also reviewed by RC.

Jesus.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:05 pm

I mean I also questioned it by the balance of Catloaves which was also quite brutal, but it wouldn't be quite as brutal as this game's speculated setup still right?
Game for reference: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79138

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:07 pm

I see where you're going at actually. Reviewers and all are the same and the design of that game is equally absurd if not more.
UNVOTE:
Am I the stupid one here??

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:09 pm

Nero Cain (1):

Vorkuta

Vorkuta (1):

Nero Cain

No Lynch (1):

pisskop

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, Creature, nomnomnom

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-30 21:10:00)

Without your claim I would think it's something among the lines of Vork and Skitter but thought it wasn't possible because of your claim.
And I still think it's such an impossible setup but like...
Is setup creation that townsided on MS????

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:10 pm

In post 5599, Creature wrote:
In post 4457, nomnomnom wrote:JOAT, with a tracker and gs shot.

Used my GS shot on Buj day 1, got a negative result.
Day 1?

Night 1.
Typo, obviously

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:10 pm

Let me rethink my life choices.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:11 pm

Do you have setups made by performer by any chance

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:14 pm

If you have any that'd be great.
If it's possible for setups to be THAT townsided then perhaps Skitter isn't conftown but like... I think about a town rolecop investigating a town doctor and 2 goons and an encryptor having to go against that and my mind goes "lolno".

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:18 pm

In post 5611, Creature wrote:could Nero be vanilla cop?

Would explain his refusal to check me, shoshin and PK as he wouldn't be able to come up with a name, and claiming someone as encryptor as it's the more likely role for a non-goon scum to be?
Would also explain why he asked to claim last?
Maybe you're onto something?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:20 pm

Scum neap isn't that uncommon of a role either, I recall seing that.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:21 pm

But then why does nero not claim any of those and instead rolecop?
For "muh game balance"?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:22 pm

I mean he entered today with saying he had a guilty and wanted to avoid discussion and said nothing else mattered so maybe claiming rolecop with a definitive 10000% guilty is a reason.
hmmmmm

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:23 pm

In post 5618, Gollum wrote:I swear to God if nom is town she's tunnled so far into the ground that I don't know how she breathes

I have been told I am tunnelling countless times and I'm often told that by scums because they know it's my weakpoint, so you know

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:28 pm

I'm leaving this thread a rest, got shit to do.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:35 pm

In post 5628, Gollum wrote:Nom why do you never answer why you think I should have investigated you or why you think that ppl should have questioned your claim?

god damn not being able to resist looking at a game thread
because that's what your role does, check people and see what they are, you can check what I am and see if your assumption was true or not, and catch me if I try to fakeclaim. Again I said before, this isn't as big as not checking Piss, but it plays a part.

I am paranoid and I expect everyone to be but people accepted my claim as gospel and I'm not used to it so yeah.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:57 pm

In post 5630, Gollum wrote:I don't really know why I should have been suspicious of you. Like I guess in hindsight it is super funky that a 2 shot investigating role light cc'ed shoshin. Also I don't know why you used your gs on buj when you were scum reading vork or why YOU didn't use any of your shots on the Miller.

This is the kind of questioning I expected I would get

I thought it wasn't possible because her claiming cop with me having a gs shot would mean my role being extremely wtf in a game which is why I pushed her really hard to get lynched.
I used my GS on buj because he was a nullslot and his playstyle is really hard to analyze for someone like me. I had difficulties reading him in the large I played with you and that was the case here too.
I was townreading cinn through and through, why would I check one of my townreads?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:57 pm

Back to work.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:00 pm

Because that's not how I play cop. I check ??? slots because the scumread slots will be flipped the next day. My shots have more value if I use them on slots that have a bigger chance to live in the long run. That's nullslots. He got killed unfortunately but yeah.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:01 pm

I am saying you would have checked him since you scumread the slot!!! I was townreading him!
urgh
I really need to go back to mny stuff, bbl

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:04 pm

I thought it was a bullshit claim only made in light of a miller claim and less likely since it would give me a false positive and i was right so please

I NEED TO GO BACK TO STUFF AAAAAA

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:04 pm

In post 41, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 38, teacher wrote:just confirming you know alts aren’t allowed to be newbs.
sure they are. We all started out as newbs. Alts can't be in newbie games as anything other than IC or SE though.

let's kill that fake miller claim.

VOTE: Cinnamon

bayyyyy

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:24 pm

In post 5654, Vorkuta wrote:Stop fearmongering and interfereing with our hunt for your partner nero
Still leaning creature based on activity, doc-shot hypoclaiming, and NC's reaction to things

Wait

weren't you learning PK?

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:30 pm

In post 5657, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 5252, Vorkuta wrote:Holy shit it's NC and CREATURE

Pisskop is town.
While buying all of these coincidences is pretty damn hard, pisskop also has 2 doctor shots.
He's intentionally not telling us whether he used/hasn't used the shots to either save (from his POV) town!NC and/or playing the WIFOM game.
As obstinate and annoying as tgat slot is to deal with, I genuinely think he's doing the most town thing he can be doing from his POV

How the hell is PK acting town though?
Guy literally wants to NL in the worst position to NL and is supposed to be scumreading you but doesn't even vote you. How can you read that as townie at all?

Also that doc claim was bs

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:33 pm

I am asking you about PK.
Don't dodge the question.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:38 pm

In post 5665, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 5661, nomnomnom wrote:Guy literally wants to NL in the worst position to NL and is supposed to be scumreading you but doesn't even vote you. How can you read that as townie at all?
We're split 50/50 and a vote won't go through today.
With a NL, Tomorrow, 1-side gets a majority (3:2) and from his PoV, it's skitter (it's actually creature, but k)
He's playing for 2:1 LyLo with a "BS~but not really BS~ or is it BS" doc hypoclaim with which he might actually save or deter an NC NK.

He's doing the towniest things possible, except his intentions and reads are in the wrong place

I think we have a very different definition of townie and it's a really weird statement to make. And your post was about his doc claim which was very much obviously bullshit.
Do you have anything indicating Nero-Creature even? I'd love to see a case on that if there's any because I don't remember these guys interacting much actually? I'd need to check.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:38 pm

PK has no docs shot dude why are you taking the claim of someone that's obviously bullshitting rofl

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:41 pm

I have to be honest my mind comes to a blank trying to remember DP/Creature-Nero so yeah.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:48 pm

UNVOTE:
need to think

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:51 pm

@Vork Show me what I should be aware of in regards to the interaction between Nero and DP because I have no clue what you're talking about. No clue what Nero is talking about either. I don't remember and I want what kind of answer I receive before I ISO.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:54 pm

oh lol
anyway please

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:12 pm

@Vork can you show me the posts you are referring to?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:45 am

In post 5705, pisskop wrote:yet here's vork, still trying to cobble together a case. and ignoring the encryptor out. like any good town would right

I'm not sure I understand this point since I asked him if he had anything pointing at a NC-Creature pairing, and he did.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:54 am

Honestly PK your posts are giving me a bad vibe, you've been pushing Vork without even reading the thread. You have not considered any talk that was brought up today. You still refuse to claim fully. You've been doing the same thing as Nero earlier on which was to shut down any discussion about anything and saying that only the 1v1 matters (which should not even be a logical train of thought since you said you were likely to be nightkilled, and when asked why you also dodged the question). You have been trying to push a very very VERY unlikely pairing (and been arguing about it being impossible, despite it very much being close to the impossibility realm). You said you fully believe, 100%, that Vork is scum, yet your vote is a No Lynch right now. You have no been posting anything aside from people talking to you in a frustrating tone and trying to dig Vork's grave.

What am I supposed to do all of this? Like, you are one of the reasons I am so hesitant voting Vork. Nero might be right that you're acting scummy and mirroring what he's saying as a tactic, but I still have heavy doubts. And honestly as crazy as it might sound? I think you could be a lynch today because for the life of me I'm starting to get anxious about this 1v1.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:54 am

@Vork you still haven't answered about if you would vote outside of Nero today or not.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:01 am

@NC Can you tell me what you think of PK's actions today?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:41 pm

My head hurts holy crap.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:41 pm

Nero do you think there is a world where PK does everything in his power to make you look really REALLY bad to make my head spin?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:04 pm

I think I need skitter to discuss about a few things whenever possible.
I realize there are multiple angles scums could be taking right now and I need opinions.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:05 pm

Nero I know that this is basically repeating my error of the large, where I was overthinking everything to hell and back and that I let scums fuck around with my brain but I can't help. I just hope Skitter can help me through this.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:09 pm

PK do me a favor
You've been on this site longer than me, do you know any normal game that has been designed by performer and if yes, can you send them to me?
I honest to god thought it was impossible in a million years to have extremely townsided setups like this but if I am proven wrong then maybe I'll reconsider. Otherwise ergh, I still think it's not possible.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:23 pm

In post 5755, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 5591, Creature wrote:One of the reviewers' game: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76303
@nom

I want a performer setup specifically, thanks.
I am aware the reviewers would allow townsided setups but that would also require someone to make said townsided setup.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:25 pm

Nah Vork, that's simply reaching. I 100% think he used it on URAP because of his push there d2.
What you're doing is pretty eh.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:25 pm

In post 5766, Gollum wrote:Nom you can click on his name and search his topics

I wanted to see if one of you would be so kind to make my game experience that much better
I guess not

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:29 pm

Also I can only find him being a reviewer and not a game designer.
I think that leaves us in the dark somewhat.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:39 pm

In post 2649, NerfedBuJ wrote:Vork you are either town or you pocketed me well, congrats. Please sheep me

@NC thoughts since you invoked NKA?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:45 pm

In post 5787, pisskop wrote:We know because theyre killing PRs, strong TRs, and people
who claim cop but are actually VT

The cop fakeclaim dying also indicates they may not all have the most experience.

You think Shoshin dying n1 is a result of lack of experience?
How so?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:49 pm

In post 5793, pisskop wrote:
In post 5789, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5787, pisskop wrote:We know because theyre killing PRs, strong TRs, and people
who claim cop but are actually VT

The cop fakeclaim dying also indicates they may not all have the most experience.
You think Shoshin dying n1 is a result of lack of experience?
How so?
Just speculation. I imagine that going after the cop with a strongarm sounds nice, but we dont actually know if the doc was on them.

I think that a more experienced player would have considered how the claim came out.

So you think that scums thought, 100%, shoshin was cop and that was the reason to shoot there.
Is that correct?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:52 pm

Nero Cain (1):

Vorkuta

Vorkuta (1):

Nero Cain

No Lynch (1):

pisskop

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, Creature, nomnomnom

With

6

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-30 21:10:00)

In post 5793, pisskop wrote:Just speculation. I imagine that going after the cop with a strongarm sounds nice, but we dont actually know if the doc was on them.

Wait a second.
Why are you talking about a Strongman?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:59 pm

that sounds like a REALLY weird post to make when you believe that skitter is last scum and that NC has a vanilla result on Skitt

Is that a slip? An actual one?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:02 pm

In post 5806, pisskop wrote:
In post 5804, nomnomnom wrote:that sounds like a REALLY weird post to make when you believe that skitter is last scum and that NC has a vanilla result on Skitt

Is that a slip? An actual one?
Oh bs. You guys were talking about it earlier.

Yes.
But if you think Skitter is last scum why would you bring up a strongman in the conversation?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:04 pm

b u t i t ' s n o t p o s s i b l e

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:05 pm

my mind is telling me noooooooooooooooooo

but my boooody

my boooooooooody

is telling me vote pk

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:08 pm

It's kinda crazy that I have a 1v1 to go through but i just want one thing and it's to vote your ass for all the scummy shit you've done today and that post lol

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:08 pm

In post 5819, pisskop wrote:
In post 5816, Creature wrote:
In post 5803, Vorkuta wrote:Also did creature fucking disappear on us???
scum!creature meta anyone?
Spoiler: me deciding to not partake of this shitfest is NAI
can you though? We kind of need the final slot.

?????????

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:09 pm

?????????

In post 5433, pisskop wrote:
In post 5431, nomnomnom wrote:will not go anywhere.
okay GLHF

In post 5441, pisskop wrote:gl hv

creature i suggest you also take this route.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:11 pm

VOTE: PK

Don't mind me just releasing stress

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:13 pm

Holy shit that felt better than I expected

jesssuuuuuus christ lmao
UNVOTE:

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:16 pm

In post 5843, Creature wrote:
In post 5841, pisskop wrote:
In post 5839, Creature wrote:If I was scum I would be way more decided here and I wouldn't hesitate to deathpush you (or Nero) because I'm not afraid of being wrong.
yea. And thats why you and nom arent scum
I think skitter gotta be scum.

Is Vork + skitter too farfetched?

It's mechanically very very unlikely. And I don't have any performer design to work with.
RC and NSG can make townsided setups but still.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:17 pm

In post 5849, pisskop wrote:Hey Nom!

It's kind of a funny thing to post considering I would already have voted Vork if it wasn't for you lmao

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:19 pm

In post 5853, Creature wrote:
In post 5848, Gollum wrote:Skit isn't scum. It's vork/piss
Great

So we nolynch and you get to rolecop then

That doesn't work because if this is scum!nero you are giving him the greenlight to do whatever he wants.
Scums can make a LYLO that advantages them too. I don't like it.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:23 pm

In post 5864, Creature wrote:
In post 5861, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 5853, Creature wrote:
In post 5848, Gollum wrote:Skit isn't scum. It's vork/piss
Great

So we nolynch and you get to rolecop then
That doesn't work because if this is scum!nero you are giving him the greenlight to do whatever he wants.
Scums can make a LYLO that advantages them too. I don't like it.
If Nero's town, town gets a way bigger advantage than hypotheticalscum!Nero would get if we nolynched here.

If we're doing this I wanna talk about the possibilities.
If scums are pushing a NL they know it's the winning play and PK is scummy as hell and pushing a NL. I will not NL unless we know for sure it's the best play.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:24 pm

In post 5870, Creature wrote:
In post 5868, nomnomnom wrote:I will not NL unless we know for sure it's the best play.
Nero will get to rolecop pisskop.

Okay.
What happens is Nero dies?
What happens if Nero lives?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:26 pm

In post 5875, pisskop wrote:
In post 5870, Creature wrote:
In post 5868, nomnomnom wrote:I will not NL unless we know for sure it's the best play.
Nero will get to rolecop pisskop.
Assuming he is town - which I believe is most likely - then this isnt bad.

Nom, is nero/piss a likely team still?

I think you're likely scum and I am just stuck with a really hard 1v1.