Mini Normal 2085: Colors (Game Over)

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:43 am

In post 2474, PenguinPower wrote:Care to respond to how your description of my play was flat out wrong? Feel like ignoring that?

I mean it's a perspective thing.
I feel there's a slight difference than in Catloaves, that I can't pinpoint, and makes you go closer to that mini theme instead.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:45 am

In post 2479, OkaPoka wrote:What's Beetlejuice

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:14 pm

In post 2502, Ircher wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Flavor Leaf or nomnomnom today please.

I take it you don't like the case on PP?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:48 am

In post 2511, Persivul wrote:nomnom spends many pages pushing a lynch in the PRs.

I say that the PRs are plausible and she's sus. She scum reads me for it.

2454 FL says that he thinks the PRs are town

2456 Now nomnom accepts town PRs with zero pushback

Happy with my vote where it is.

It's almost like my read has evolved!

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:39 pm

In post 2524, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2514, nomnomnom wrote:It's almost like my read has evolved!
What caused it to change?

PK's claim seems plausible and I think that FL's solve makes sense. Don't want to lynch in PR's anymore.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:03 pm

Do you still think there is scum in the PRs?
After further thought this setup kinda makes sense for town. I'd like to get your perspective PP.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:15 pm

In post 2550, PenguinPower wrote:Without knowing what the informed had or anything that scum has, I don’t know.

I find a doc/cop/jk/babysitter to be a bit much on face value.

I don’t want to lynch there today because scum needs to kill someone in that group tonight.

I actually could see compulsive fv in that group with one less. But I can easily see scum fv..though you would think a tracker role there.

I think it's alright, my gripe was mostly the cop but if it's a night 2 cop I think it's actually possible for all these roles to co-exist. I don't want to outguess the mod if this is what we work with. We also don't know scumroles so far.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:15 pm

Also I don't necessarily think my role makes sense for a scum to have in this game so yeah.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:21 pm

I was more talking about what that would imply to the makeup of the scum team. I'm compulsive. That implies a lot of things.
I agree with the fact it seems like a good fakeclaim but I don't see why PK would claim cop, then push outside of the PRs to me. That doesn't sound like a sound scum agenda. How do you explain that for a scum perspective?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:32 pm

the only thing I remember about schadd games is him explicitely blacklisting roles everytime and those roles are ninja/traitor/detective-psychologist (can't remember on that last one).

Meh...

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:47 pm

What happened to "that's funny nom PP was also my highest scumread!"

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:51 pm

In post 2574, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2572, nomnomnom wrote:What happened to "that's funny nom PP was also my highest scumread!"
It’s almost like his reads evolved.

I hate you sometimes.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:56 pm

I still have Persi acting scummy in the back of my mind but in lights of the PR it makes less sense, I think.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:59 pm

In post 2599, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2595, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2594, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2588, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think either of you are really familiar enough with my scum game to be going “this is scumFL”

Especially recently, as my scum game changes quite often, and i cat remember being scum in a game near either of you in years.
Yeah...I pretty much said it's solely based on how you are treating my slot, because you do know town me.

Honestly, it’s more your position, than you, if that makes sense.

There’s essentially actually zero you specific reasoning with in it. I’m basing it off entirely social game state.
Pretty yuck and weak a day out from mylo.

This is the second time you mention this "day from MYLO" stuff.
We have claimed protectives so I do not know where this fixation comes from?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:21 pm

FL entering the game with a solve that excludes all PRs
and now revotes our presumed n2 cop.

I don't know what to think about this.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:25 pm

Can I ask what has changed to tilt your mind in the direction of PK lying?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:28 pm

In post 2629, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2627, PenguinPower wrote:Yeah, but you know I get my reads based on how people read me. And your lack of a good stance but pushing it anyway makes me read you scum.

I'm pretty married to it.
Yeah, but that’s the point.

You are pushing that you base reads off of how people read you, but what you thought my read on you was wasn’t my read on you, it specifically wasn’t based on any read of you, yet you still pushed and based a read off of an incorrect reading of the first thing, so that just makes you 100% wrong in any form you look at it, doubly so because I am town.

I've read this 5 times and I'm afraid I still cannot understand it

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:30 pm

In post 2633, Sakura Hana wrote:So now that im not busy how i's everything go-

Seems like you guys have been going insane while i was away.

Every game of mafia ever

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:32 pm

In post 2640, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2634, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2630, PenguinPower wrote:So you weren't pushing me as your top scum read?
Not in the way you’re thinking of it.

My top scum read doesn’t mean i think they’re scum, it’s just a current state of thought, a;d i transported myself to a world where that was the case.

It didn’t really work out, so i knew that was a fake world.

VOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FLVOTE: FL

Can you remind me of what you thought about the PR claims??

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:33 pm

Yes but im lazy I don't wanna click my brain is mush and I need a hug

please?

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:36 pm

Does PP ever vote PK since he thinks this is a safe scum claim...

hmmmmm

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:39 pm

VOTE: PK
Alright.

nomnomnom · Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:03 pm

In post 2684, Flavor Leaf wrote:Although I am confident and arrogant seeming, I’m also the nervous, awkward, and anxious ramble type. This is me in person too. It’s a weird mix.

I relate to that very much lol

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:49 pm

In post 2726, Ircher wrote:Okay, I guess maybe Flavor Leaf isn't happening.
VOTE: nomnomnom

I find that vote very odd, ngl.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:50 pm

In post 2727, Sakura Hana wrote:PK if i was scum you'd be dead already, js.

I also don't get that.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:58 pm

In post 2747, Ircher wrote:
In post 2741, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2726, Ircher wrote:Okay, I guess maybe Flavor Leaf isn't happening.
VOTE: nomnomnom
I find that vote very odd, ngl.
How is it odd?

Okay... I don't have the best way to explain this but like
A lot of your posts contain drive-by shading on my slot. Drive-by because like, you talk with others about setup specs, some slots, and the subject is not even me, and you say stuff like "we can still vote nom!", and I do not even have the words to describe it accurately, but it feels like I am a sort of throwaway read. Like, you could sit through and make a proper website by yourself, that runs well and everything, or you can vomit a bunch of wordpress plugins and call it a day. I feel I am your wordpress to your website making problem.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:58 pm

That analogy is complete garbo but I don't have a better one

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:00 pm

It's worth considering that these were the rules in Schadd's last normal.

In post 1, schadd_ wrote:Nobody will be a cop, a psychologist, a ninja, or a traitor

He certainly doesn't seem to like these.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:03 pm

Alternatively you also have to consider that these are Tris' rule and that maybe this is more of a "Schadd mod" thing rather than a "Schadd designer" thing.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:14 pm

In post 2781, pisskop wrote:I kind of agree with sakura, oddly enough, that if they were scum i would already be dead; as inactive as I was.

And again, I would like an explanation to that.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:16 pm

I'd also like to point out that Sakura was presumably JK'd so that'd make this discussion entirely pointless.
Still want to know the reasoning.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:16 pm

This "If I was scum I would have nightkilled you" point, rather.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:20 pm

In post 2793, PenguinPower wrote:Why me? Why not FL?

This coupled with "FL lynch not happening today" from Ircher leaves me perplex.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:22 pm

In post 2796, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2782, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2781, pisskop wrote:I kind of agree with sakura, oddly enough, that if they were scum i would already be dead; as inactive as I was.
And again, I would like an explanation to that.
From me or PK.

Both, actually.
PK first optimally.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:24 pm

No I want to know why you believe Sakura as scum would specifically target you in yesterday's gamestate.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:28 pm

In post 2804, pisskop wrote:i dont.

Then why make that post at all?
@Sakura feel free to answer now, thank you

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:32 pm

I don't see the problem if you think the question doesn't have much purpose and reason

Let me ask my question, I think this is important.

pedit: You vote me because I try talking with you?

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:35 pm

In post 2811, pisskop wrote:Because the questions you are asking are trying to bait out answers.

You are trying to talk, youre fishing for a post to push

Why are you so scared of me asking a question when people want my lynch and find me scummy anyway?
I don't get your mindset. You just want me to take it and not contribute to the discussion?

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:40 pm

In post 2816, Sakura Hana wrote:I mean nom.
You're a logic oriented person.
You should be able to notice the answer to that question yourself as well.

Part of my personality plays into it, but even logic dictates that a scum me ML PK town 100% of the time.

If you really want me to answer then sure.

I find it funny. Mainly because people characterize me differently every game. Last time it was Jingle calling me a "boon" and an extremely reaction-centric player. It's funny

I want your answer to this question. It's not really about my logic, I just want to enter YOUR mindset here.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:47 pm

I am talking about the game right now, this is not a tangent and I want to understand people's minds because this is literally how I sort people!
I find that kind of thing outlandish considering the gamestate of yesterday, so yes, I do want to know what's going through your mind so I can at least get it and not left wondering "what the hell are they on about?".
This is not tangenting. Stop.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:49 pm

Okay, I understand now.
Thank you.

I really dislike PK's reactiong to me just asking questions though.

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:51 pm

In post 2825, Ircher wrote:suit yourself nomnomnom

?

nomnomnom · Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:04 pm

deathgrip lmao

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:41 am

I am genuinely confused as to why people vote me, aside from Persi.

Like, PP's reasoning is not there, Ircher votes me "because FL won't take off", etc. What is this?

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:41 am

also @PP do you believe all other outed PRs are town and that I am scum?

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:44 am

I am a compulsive even night fv. Me being scum would be severely gimping a potential scum team if you believe all the claims are true.
I am not a scum role this game. I am scum's last minute lynch.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:45 am

In post 2906, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2902, nomnomnom wrote:I am genuinely confused as to why people vote me, aside from Persi.

Like, PP's reasoning is not there, Ircher votes me "because FL won't take off", etc. What is this?
You want to help FL take off?

I don't think FL is scum. His reads are fluid.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:45 am

In post 2911, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2909, nomnomnom wrote:I am a compulsive even night fv. Me being scum would be severely gimping a potential scum team if you believe all the claims are true.
Um...how?

Compulsive even night fv.
Compulsive even night.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:46 am

I also feel I am being used as a political point and that I have a metaphorical gun on my forehead to push FL or being wagoned to death.
This is scummy rhetoric.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:47 am

In post 2916, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2914, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2911, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2909, nomnomnom wrote:I am a compulsive even night fv. Me being scum would be severely gimping a potential scum team if you believe all the claims are true.
Um...how?
Compulsive even night fv.
Compulsive even night.
That...doesn't answer my question...

How doesn't that answer it?
If I am in a scumteam that would mean I am unable to perform a nightkill to compulsively give fruit on even nights. That's a severe gimp for the scumteam especially if you think the other PR claims are true. So mechanically speaking I am a bad push if that's what you think.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:50 am

In post 2921, PenguinPower wrote:I mean - multitasking is a thing and I doubt that you would claim that as a scum CFV.

In post 2922, Sakura Hana wrote:nom, i think that's called multitasking passive, obviously if you're scum you'd omit it.

Why would I be a multitasking compulsive X when I can simply be even-night fruit vendor?
It's the same thing except the multitasking version is nonsensical.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:54 am

In post 2927, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2924, nomnomnom wrote:Why would I be a multitasking compulsive X when I can simply be even-night fruit vendor?
It's the same thing except the multitasking version is nonsensical.
Because then you'd be asked about lack of fruit on a certain day.

That makes no sense.
I know you want to think I am scum but from my role only I am very unlikely to be scum.
I am scum's last minute lynch and I am being held at gunpoint to vote a guy I have a town lean on.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:54 am

omo what the hell

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:55 am

I fucking spat out my drink fuck you

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:57 am

In post 2935, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2930, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2927, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2924, nomnomnom wrote:Why would I be a multitasking compulsive X when I can simply be even-night fruit vendor?
It's the same thing except the multitasking version is nonsensical.
Because then you'd be asked about lack of fruit on a certain day.
That makes no sense.
I know you want to think I am scum but from my role only I am very unlikely to be scum.
I am scum's last minute lynch and I am being held at gunpoint to vote a guy I have a town lean on.
I'm not saying i think you're scum
I'm saying that your role doesnt mean you cant be scum.

Fair.
I didn't say impossible. I said very unlikely in the event that all the other claims are town.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:04 am

I think PP is playing very politically and I want him lynched for it.
I think FL is town trying to solve this game.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:07 am

In post 2938, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2937, nomnomnom wrote:I think PP is playing very politically and I want him lynched for it.
How on earth do you think I'm being political?

Your movements feel very political to me. Omo's movements are also political, and I feel that from Ircher too.
The difference is that Omo is town and Ircher has supposedly been cleared by a cop. You on the other hand, I feel it's very suspicious to land around your vote like you do.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:09 am

In post 2941, PenguinPower wrote:That isn't an explanation as to how...that's a restatement of something you just said.

What have I done that's political?

Your vote on me.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:10 am

VOTE: PP
Die penguin.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:12 am

In post 2945, Ircher wrote:The compulsive part could be a fakeclaim that nomnomnom came up.

I'm starting to regret having fakeclaimed in that micro because now everyone believes I am a fakeclaiming when I claim lmao

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:14 am

In post 2946, PenguinPower wrote:Sorry - would you have expected me not to hop on the wagon of someone I had a scum read on instead of keeping it parked as the sole vote on FL?

p-edit

See. Pretext.

That's not what's political about it.
The political part is you and the other people voting me attempting to create this false dilemma of "VOTE FL OR GET LYNCHED". That is a political push. I think FL is town so I see what's being done to me clear as day.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:15 am

FL is town and I suggest you guys reconsidering how PP is acting today if we're leaning towards a PP/FL 1v1.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:18 am

In post 2953, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2950, nomnomnom wrote:The political part is you and the other people voting me attempting to create this false dilemma of "VOTE FL OR GET LYNCHED". That is a political push. I think FL is town so I see what's being done to me clear as day.
I didn't do that.

Omo said that though.

That's why I included him there. It still felt that way to me.
I have this impression that I am a throwaway lynch possibility, as I told Ircher.
I don't think you're town here. The way you reacted to FL's solve feels like you're almost annoyed by it so you started voting there.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:31 am

In post 2964, Flavor Leaf wrote:I could see Nomnom hard WK’ing me here potentially.

What interest do I have WKing someone that has me in their solve as scum?
I just think you're town, and I think you're right on the money with PP.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:32 am

PP is playing politically and voting me because he knows I have a better chance to flip than the other slot that has accused him of being scum. These are his two votes for the day by the way.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:36 am

In post 2972, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2968, nomnomnom wrote:PP is playing politically and voting me because he knows I have a better chance to flip than the other slot that has accused him of being scum. These are his two votes for the day by the way.
Which happen to be my two expressed scum reads prior to the wagons...

You know what's not pretext? That.

What a coincidence!

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:46 am

In post 2928, Sakura Hana wrote:In any case my reads have changed
VOTE: FL
Flip PP and FL around

Imagine letting PP getting away with controlling the gamestate.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:56 am

In post 2958, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: nom

I can do Major Moonlogic tomorrow.

You've created a false lynch dilemma between you and me or FL, as in the two people that ever pushed you as scum seriously.
So yeah, I think people have let you controlled the gamestate.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:02 am

We ended in a gamestate where what I said about you having created a FL/PP vote situation is true.
I was told to vote FL or to get lynched. Seriously...
I still stand by the fact that nobody has shown any serious arguments on my slot, aside from persi. All of you on my wagon are here as a shrug kind of lynch a compromise lynch because I am easier to lynch especially given my claim.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:04 am

In post 2984, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2981, PenguinPower wrote:Oh - and Persivul (who as I said, I don't think Robb makes that play as scum so Percy is clear).
Friendly reminder that chemist was supposedly JK'd N1 as well.

Scums know who was nightkilled. Just saying

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:05 am

In post 2987, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2983, nomnomnom wrote:All of you on my wagon are here as a shrug kind of lynch a compromise lynch
I wont deny that.
But i also wont lynch my townreads.

I am literally in the same boat except I have been told that if I didn't vote there I was going to get lynched. I categorically refuse to do this.

How is PP a townread?

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:15 am

I think you're making a really big mistake now.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:17 am

Do I still need to go fuck myself though

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:41 am

When I flip please lynch PP.

Thank you.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:42 am

He's going to try and get away by voting FL tomorrow. Do not let him get away with this.
Just flat out wagon him. Thank you.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:33 pm

v o t e p p

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:52 pm

In post 3007, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 3003, nomnomnom wrote:He's going to try and get away by voting FL tomorrow. Do not let him get away with this.
I'm going to vote someone I've expressed a strong scumread on?

You probably will not have that much of a good time when I flip town

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:44 pm

In post 3013, Chemist1422 wrote:heyo

hey nom can we get legacy reads other than PP because it's pretty clear where you stand on them

I've been clear about other reads but sure.

PP is scum.
Persi is a scumlean beause of his odd movements today on PP and me.
FL is very clearly town.
Omo is very clearly town.
Oka's approach about Schadd's meta about cops was very good, so I think this comes from town.
I very much liked Sakura's response to me when I put pressure there, so I think she's town.
No idea about your slot.
I have a hard time reading PK I must admit. Mechanically a scumlean though.
Ircher has been acting very political today, a few scumpings there and there. Null.

That's pretty much it. PK/Ircher probably solves itself by the end of this game. If it doesn't this becomes more dangerous.
All I have to say is do not let PP get away with mislynches.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:54 pm

In post 3016, pisskop wrote:
In post 3015, nomnomnom wrote:I have a hard time reading PK I must admit.
Id love to know what you mean sometime.

Im pretty transparent.

It's not that. I think your thoughts are clear, but they send me different messages.
You have very concise posts and do not talk often, and a lot of them are fluffposts especially recently when my lynch has been advocated for, and that scares me.
On the other hand I have a very hard time seeing you outing yourself as cop as scum with what you did afterwards. The way you outed and how you voted afterwards is discordant from a scum perspective. I would expect other moves from a scum fake claiming this way.

However above all else, there's this mechanical argument that I think cannot be ignored for a schadd game, which is why I think your lynch would be alright today still.

There's also something else that makes me doubt, and it's how Ircher acts around you. First wanting your lynch to confirm himself, then saying you are 99% town claiming correctly. That fucks with my brain too. I see what FL is saying about you two possibly being scum together and making sure that bond doesn't break. It's possible.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:59 pm

I 100% think that I am only at L-1 because of my claim and because of how people expressed that they would go on me as a :shrug: lynch.
This is the entire reason why I am here. Otherwise we'd still have people pushing FL. I am sure of that.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:04 pm

Whatever you do, you go PP tomorrow.
If I get hammered here and I see people going PP I will actually be pissed.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:04 pm

people not going PP*

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:08 pm

You are all doing an enormous mistake letting PP get away with this, but it's fine.
As long as I get redemption tomorrow I don't care. I just am scared about the other scums gaining a lot of momentum from my lynch here.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:12 pm

In post 3057, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 3051, nomnomnom wrote:You are all doing an enormous mistake letting PP get away with this, but it's fine.
You keep saying this...over and over...it makes me think it's not fine.

Of course you'd think that. I'm pushing you as scum.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:14 pm

That's not what AtE is.
You've been busy discrediting your only two detractors and been pushing the easiest of the two to push.
This is scummy as hell and honestly I don't know how you're getting away with it, or how on earth people are townreading you in this configuration.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:17 pm

In post 3069, Sakura Hana wrote:(claim aside i think this is omochao's town meta)

Yeah, I think Omo is town. The reason he claimed is town motivated.
The claim would have looked different coming from Scum!omo methinks.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:20 pm

In post 3075, Ircher wrote:It has between 0% and 5% (inclusive) to do with your claim. It's your play nomnomnom.

By your own admission you said I was right asserting that your vote on me and your intention to lynch me was purely a compromise lynch.
There's something clearly going wrong this game when people seemingly have a scumread on FL but give up before it even starts and decide to go on me because "FL will never take off".

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:23 pm

In post 3080, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3077, nomnomnom wrote:There's something clearly going wrong this game when people seemingly have a scumread on FL but give up before it even starts and decide to go on me because "FL will never take off".
This concern would make sense if you scumread FL which you dont.

My argument here is that I am a compromise lynch and a very easy lynch to propose, because of people saying "yeah I'd go there maybe?". You have admitted too that your vote on me was a compromise. This is what I'm trying to say. Scums are taking advantage of that.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:24 pm

I was also taken at gunpoint to vote FL or get lynched.
Do you not see what I'm saying? This gamephase has been political from start to finish.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:28 pm

In post 3083, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3081, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 3080, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3077, nomnomnom wrote:There's something clearly going wrong this game when people seemingly have a scumread on FL but give up before it even starts and decide to go on me because "FL will never take off".
This concern would make sense if you scumread FL which you dont.
My argument here is that I am a compromise lynch and a very easy lynch to propose, because of people saying "yeah I'd go there maybe?". You have admitted too that your vote on me was a compromise. This is what I'm trying to say. Scums are taking advantage of that.
You're correct.
But now there's more to it than that, you have completely ignored ircher's case on you based on FA's posting, and thinking you're being lynched "coz your claim".

There is not more to it than that.
The proof is that nothing else was presented to push my lynch, aside from how I handled fire's situation. You know who else was on that lynch and who you let go under the radar with all of this? PP. But somehow that doesn't look scummy on him, just on me, because "aggressiveness", which is literally my playstyle as town.

This is selective scumhunting and some people are taking advantage of that fact. You are making an enormous mistake.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:29 pm

In post 3087, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3082, nomnomnom wrote:I was also taken at gunpoint to vote FL or get lynched.
Do you not see what I'm saying? This gamephase has been political from start to finish.
How so?
also that's more dictatorship than "political". Pretty sure you've never been super close to lynch until now.
And who was the one that was waving that rope saying "One of Sakura or Omochao must be scum!" at the start?

You're correct. That was my thought entering today, but with more interaction I changed my reads.
That is not political. How is that has anything to do with Omo telling me to vote FL or get wagoned?

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:32 pm

That kind of proposition is a false dilemma where I lose in both situations anyway.
Either I stand by my reads and we end in a situation where I get pushed instead (wow big shock that we're here!)
Either I cave in to the pressure and people say that I am just trying to not get lynched and I am pushed anyway.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:33 pm

In post 3092, Sakura Hana wrote:Well you were practically forcing me to lynch omochao.

It's literally not the same thing.
You don't understand what I am saying. Read the last pages! Read today and see how people talk about me and how people switch off me, to vote FL, and tell me to go there or die!

Come on.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:35 pm

In post 3095, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3093, nomnomnom wrote:Either I cave in to the pressure and people say that I am just trying to not get lynched and I am pushed anyway.
UH, no?

I guess there's also a world where people just ignore that kind of thing and FL gets lynched, flips town, and then I'm put back on the menu tomorrow.

Same result. It's a catch-22.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:36 pm

In post 2758, Ircher wrote:
In post 2754, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2747, Ircher wrote:
In post 2741, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2726, Ircher wrote:Okay, I guess maybe Flavor Leaf isn't happening.
VOTE: nomnomnom
I find that vote very odd, ngl.
How is it odd?
Okay... I don't have the best way to explain this but like
A lot of your posts contain drive-by shading on my slot. Drive-by because like, you talk with others about setup specs, some slots, and the subject is not even me, and you say stuff like "we can still vote nom!", and I do not even have the words to describe it accurately, but it feels like I am a sort of throwaway read. Like, you could sit through and make a proper website by yourself, that runs well and everything, or you can vomit a bunch of wordpress plugins and call it a day. I feel I am your wordpress to your website making problem.
Who knows, you may be right!

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:37 pm

Also we have 3 days left. We have time to discuss it. There is actually no rush here.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:41 pm

In post 3101, Sakura Hana wrote:Sigh, i feel like we're talking different languages here.
Maybe you're just scum trying to confuse me.

Or I'm just town trying to make you understand this is a mistake.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:42 pm

In post 3100, Ircher wrote:Ah, I did say that, and there is some truth to it all, BUT that doesn't mean I don't have reasons behind wanting to lynch you. It's just that the read as a whole isn't where I want it necessarily.

I never said there was no reason for it, but you clearly said I was not your preferred lynch.
I've seen your arguments. What I'm accused of is actually also verifiable in PP. The difference is that the agressiveness I am accused of is a town trait, and I have games to prove that.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:47 pm

In post 3105, pisskop wrote:nah im actually p sure its explicitly tvs

Same.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:51 pm

In post 3108, Ircher wrote:Flavor Leaf is scum if and only if Penguin is town.
nomnomnom is scum if and only if Penguin is town.

Those are my two assumptions right now for Penguin, Flavor, and nomnomnom's alignments.

Okay.
Now the question is why on earth do you read PP as town here?

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:58 pm

In post 3110, Ircher wrote:It's more that I am reading Flavor Leaf and you as scum. That being said, Penguin was V/LA initially which explains a lot. Since then, I've liked his reads, and nothing has struck me as scum-indicative.

His reads quite literally are the two people that ever pushed him seriously are scum.
FL is not scum here. I don't know what you guys are on, he went with solves that make a lot of sense, and his other proposed theories also make a lot of sense. This is town through and through. I resonate with things he say, even if I disagree with some of his points.

Some of the things you push me for, PP are also guilty for them. I would like to reassert that, so you can go look at that now, or when I flip town and you realize you've made a big mistake today signalling me as a potential lynch, as well as a few others, and letting scums take the easy way out today.

I am quite confident that how PP reacted to me and FL's push is scum motivated. This is not town PP.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:36 pm

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:44 pm

In post 3119, Ircher wrote:
In post 3113, Omochao wrote:
In post 3108, Ircher wrote:Flavor Leaf is scum if and only if Penguin is town.
nomnomnom is scum if and only if Penguin is town.

Those are my two assumptions right now for Penguin, Flavor, and nomnomnom's alignments.
in that case lets lynch penguin instead

VOTE: pp
Lynching any one of the three should solve the alignments of the other two.

PP will just go "lol oops" and given people somehow read him as town my biggest fear is that he gets away with it.
On the other hand, if I am wrong about PP, I am 10000% getting lynched tomorrow.
Do not make the mistake of letting someone possibly getting away with a crime.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:44 pm

Show me it doesn't matter and that you stand behind your words.
Do it. I don't believe that's what you believe in. Not one second.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:46 pm

In post 3123, OkaPoka wrote:i think it would be better if u went and tried to convince 4 people to vote piss

How many times for christ sake am I going to have people come at me and tell me to vote someone in particular?
Jesus christ. PP is scum! Stop trying to make me vote people I don't want to vote for christ sake!!

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:50 pm

In post 3126, Ircher wrote:
In post 3108, Ircher wrote:Flavor Leaf is scum if and only if Penguin is town.
nomnomnom is scum if and only if Penguin is town.

Those are my two assumptions right now for Penguin, Flavor, and nomnomnom's alignments.
Is this not proof enough? I've expressed before a town nomnomnom flip directly suggests a scum!Penguin.

Yes, but people will not believe that, and people like Sakura have actually disclaimed they believe PP town. Same for PK.
Your plan is not good. It does not guarantee people's lynches.

The contrary will 100% seal the deal however. I have no way of surviving tomorrow if my read on PP and FL are wrong. And people will probably vote for my lynch unanimously. Guaranteed.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:51 pm

In post 3132, OkaPoka wrote:its not like nom is claiming a guilty on pp

idk why people want to vote park already based on a flip when its not mechanical

this is what I'm talking about.

This is leading to an impending disaster.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:53 pm

In post 3125, OkaPoka wrote:but u voted piss earlier lol

I did.
But there are worlds where he's town because of a few certain factors that I pointed at in my reads list.
I'd rather lynch the guy I am fairly sure is scum instead.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:58 pm

PP has also purposefully brought up discussion about MYLO because he's very much aware that the scums can win this very easily in 2 days provided they give a correct nightkill tonight.

He is fully aware of what he's doing and he is trying to buy himself more time, and will try to avoid the rope tomorrow.

Do not let him get away with doing this. Please. What happened today doesn't inspire me confidence that PP will eat the rope tomorrow even because you guys are way too blind about what's happening right now.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:59 pm

One mislynch is deadly for town. If you let him do this you cannot afford to screw up again and with the way these solves are going this is bound to go to a disaster.

Again, if you believe it doesn't matter in which order we flip, vote PP. I beg of you.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:21 pm

As you can see by the votes it's not too late to reconsider.
PP wants to end today really fast.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:23 pm

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:24 pm

What's a player queen anyway

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:28 pm

No I've actually never read it.
We aren't taught english literature in Europe

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:29 pm

Well, some of it yes. But no Shakespeare anyway.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:33 pm

God damn it, if you're going to mislynch me you might as well educate me in the process.
Useless on all fronts I swear

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:44 pm

In post 3166, PenguinPower wrote:Sorry it's not in french.

Wow, and insulting my english reading comprehension on top of that.
I am not sure how I feel about our friendship anymore.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:48 pm

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART PENGUIN

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:54 pm

Yeah, nah. I'm town.
Please lynch PP tomorrow, that's all I ask for. Thanks.

pedit: the thread got locked so quickly then unlocked I didn't have time to post this lmao

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:56 pm

I can't believe the mod is scum siding, god damn

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:59 pm

I can't believe the lock was this fast, I wrote my stuff but thread was already locked as I posted and I was like "what the hell that was fast".

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:07 pm

Can I ask what a cfd is?
Still don't understand what that means.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:10 pm

Thanks.

In post 3198, Ircher wrote:ugh, your argument suggest a cfd on Chemist actually.

That argument is all kinds of confusing then.
Wasn't the point making one of us flip to see who is town and who isn't?

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:11 pm

FL, I know your mind goes a thousand places but you are making a mistake here.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:14 pm

This proposition to turbolynch Chemist is bad.
The guy doesn't speak and he feels like a me-kind of lynch. It's non-commital and scums don't risk much making him flip if he flips town.
They can go "oops". Bad idea.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:16 pm

In post 3212, Ircher wrote:
In post 3204, nomnomnom wrote:Thanks.
In post 3198, Ircher wrote:ugh, your argument suggest a cfd on Chemist actually.
That argument is all kinds of confusing then.
Wasn't the point making one of us flip to see who is town and who isn't?
Flavor Leaf's argument suggests a common point in Persivul and Chemist. While Flavor Leaf may be (is likely) scum, it still suggests we may be better off lynching one of the common factors.

Chemist has failed to do anything useful and could even be caught scum from what happened night one (Omochao jailing them that is). Thus, Chemist isn't a bad lynch.

Yes, but again, if you fuck up with a Chemist lynch you are basically fucking up town chances to win really drastically. Remember what I said about my fear of scums getting away? Going chemist does exactly that.

People feel that me and PP is TvS. Same for FL and PP. You said yourself that the lynch here provides us with a roadmap for reads. Going chemist is an extremely bad idea.

Make Penguin flip and this will already be a good start for town to win this game.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:19 pm

In post 3217, Ircher wrote:Don't get me wrong, I still think lynching you (nomnomnom) is much better both reads-wise and info-wise. I'm just pointing out Chemist isn't a bad idea necessarily/has moderate to high scum equity.

It's not better. You do not guarantee's penguin's demise when I flip town here. There are people that openly expressed they would hesitate going there. This is the start of a town loss. This also provides room for the scum team. That's all PP wants at this point. He knows he is 100% screwed and his mention of "scums being close to MYLO" also showcases he already knows how to get there and that he just needs to buy scums more time.

Open your mind. Improve town chances to win. That's all I care about.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:21 pm

I will flip Compulsive Even Night FV because that's my role. It's honestly a garbage role and I don't know why on earth I would be given this and I immediately recognized when the PRs claimed that claiming this would make my seat go on fire.

I only did this for clarity and solve purposes.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:23 pm

There is not one person that has opposed that plan, Ircher.
However there are people that have expressed doubts and concerned about doing the same for Penguin.

I don't want to watch this from a dead PT and curse to myself when town gets deadlocked about not being able to lynch PP for these reasons. Otherwise I wouldn't care.

nomnomnom · Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:26 pm

I still think that if there was a strongman Sakura would have died last night. But yeah.

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:39 am

VOTE: nomnomnom

nomnomnom · Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:43 am

self-hammer be like

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:33 pm

That d3 was really scary. Persi was like "NOM WHAT ARE YOU DOING" basically and I was like "don't worry, I got this under control". This basically resulted in making FL and PK look pretty bad, FL for dodging a lynch and PK for hammering PP. So it paid off.

I am also very proud of this scumgame given that the setup was very unfavorable to the scumteam. I think even a 1-shot roleblocker would have done wonders to help us here. We basically needed to score two additional mislynches to get there and we somehow got there. So I am really happy! GG to town still, you played a good fight.

What was the info of Rhazh by the way?

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:39 pm

Oh I just saw it.
Oka you're a psychic, jesus christ

nomnomnom · Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:47 pm

I don't know about the balance level, but if we talk about frustrations level being unable to kill for 3 nights is pretty up there

The first night is sure, but the two following nights we basically needed to guess where Omo was going to jail. We needed to kill between the protectives because otherwise we would reduce the PoE. That was very unfun at the very least and it required a lot more from the scumteam as a result (two mislynches isn't nothing).

nomnomnom · Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:29 am

tbh I think the game was very much a hard win for town when you supported my PP push and that PK let Oka sit on the sidelines by hammering PP. I think at that point I was very much convinced scums were not losing this. So I think that your last day performance did not change much in the end.

nomnomnom · Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:36 am

In post 3919, PenguinPower wrote:Key learning: Never lynch PP

Thanks for the compliment by the way.
I'm sorry I had to do it to you. Death to birds. I would have bussed Oka if it weren't for those meddling townies!!

nomnomnom · Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:41 am

In post 3930, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 3926, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 3919, PenguinPower wrote:Key learning: Never lynch PP
Thanks for the compliment by the way.
I'm sorry I had to do it to you. Death to birds. I would have bussed Oka if it weren't for those meddling townies!!
I'm still in shock that no one else picked up on the oozing scumminess that was your posting as soon as I went tunnel-mode. Twas fairly blatant.

I prefer to see it that I was indeed very scummy but that people townread FL more and that I was playing a very dangerous political game that would be risky to play as scum so they defaulted to you. I think a lot of what I do as scum is very scummy but that it somehow gets a pass due to game circumstances. I feel that's what you need to do as scum anyway

nomnomnom · Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:48 am

In post 3933, PenguinPower wrote:I'm also shocked that people were townreading FL, but we were cross-tunneling sooooooo

If they were scumreading him we would have ended in the same situation except I had even more room to get away with stuff so I'd say this was the least horrible scenario out of the two, even if that made FL and PK look very bad in terms of associations and make Oka look very good. So yeah

nomnomnom · Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:05 am

In post 3935, mastina wrote:
In post 3896, OkaPoka wrote:dear mastina why !?@!#

also can u seize control of the nrg and release like more game reviews i think they r interesting and i couldnt find how 12p are balanced
12p is a lot more scumsided than 13p if there are 3 groupscum. Town needed every bit of power they got this game. A limited investigative, a limited killing role (or protective), and a couple of kill denial methods would almost be balanced in 13p. Almost. It'd be a bit townsided potentially, but it'd be certainly not overwhelming.

In 12p, that same setup becomes balanced, or if anything, light in town power. (The Informed makes the final difference in preventing it from being scumsided.)

Aside from balance I think it was very frustrating to play against and it resulted in a situation where scums needed to throw a dice to land a successful kill on the protectives to advance the game, because any other kill would significantly reduce the PoE. Just my two cents. Two mislynches isn't nothing and the margin of error for scums was very low, and it was honestly very frustrating to see the 2 last failed kills not go through (the first kill is expected from a game with a doctor in it).

nomnomnom · Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:09 am

I also think the potential to be completely locked from the JK was very high in this game. When I was lynched, a failed kill with a locked Persi or Oka would have just sealed the game right on the spot. I just think that we could have used something a bit more relevant than Oka's role, or my role, even if way less powerful. I recognize the value in a tracker in this setup but I think I would have perhaps preferred something more appropriate? Just my two cents.

In any case I'd love to see the review thread, if possible.

nomnomnom · Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:55 am

Yeah, I think the argument is much more the unfun nature of that scenario rather than the balanceness. I still think it's equally as important, though.

nomnomnom · Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:02 am

force of will

nomnomnom · Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:20 pm

In post 3951, Niko wrote:
In post 3948, Sakura Hana wrote:How the hell did u get lynched anyway.
I was lol-playing for more than half the game until i came to the point of "oh i see oka/nom are scum" but everyone ignored my cases on them and kept voting omo, chemist and me, so i decided that this game was beyond saving and rage quitted

i wasn't wrong...

Honestly ragequitting is kinda lame. I can imagine how frustrating it is to end up in a situation where you feel like you know who scums are but ragequitting because people aren't listening is just not good. Plus your death as Niko would have probably meant a lot more because your reads would have resonated a lot more than Fire Assassin's who basically got lynched because of not being able to post a catchup and scums taking opportunity to lynch the slot.

Meh.

nomnomnom · Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:31 pm

Same for Rhazh basically. Ragequitting doomed his slot here.