Mini Normal 2092: Gordon Ramsay Roasts [The End]

[bob3141]

I can see you saying skitter vs bob was t/t

inferno would have bene cleared.

That leaves gobble, ofrhz and chemist. Who you might of thought was scum

[bob3141]

You claim to have tracked me to confirm me. However, in your view you would have had a 2/3 chance of tracking scum.

if you tracked to nk you know you have the goon.
tracked to player that wasnt nk and you have goon and doc

why track me

[bob3141]

Full vote record of day one

PenguinPower (5): x, x, Saudade, ofrhz, x
ofrhz(3): x, s ,x
Fundamental Theorem (1): Iconeum
bob3141 (1): 0verki11

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PenguinPower (3): x, ofrhz, x
Dunnstral (3): Iconeum, 0verki11, x
ofrhz(2): s, x

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Dunnstral (3): Iconeum, 0verki11, x
PenguinPower (2): x, x
ofrhz(2): s, x
MisaTange(1): ofrhz
Creature(1): x
Almost50(1): x

Almost50(4): x, x, Iconeum, x
Dunnstral (2): 0verki11, x
Iconeum (1): x
skitter30 (1): Saudade
ofrhz (1): s
MisaTange (1): ofrhz
Creature (1): x

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Almost50(4): x, x, Iconeum, x
Dunnstral (2): 0verki11, x
Creature (2): x, s
Iconeum (1): x
PenguinPower (1): Saudade
MisaTange (1): ofrhz

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Almost50(4): x, x, Iconeum, x
Creature (3): x, s, ofrhz
Dunnstral (1): 0verki11
ofrhz (1): x
PenguinPower (1): Saudade
MisaTange (1): x
Inferno390 (1): x

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Almost50 (5): x, x, Iconeum, x, x
Creature (3): s, ofrhz, x
Iconeum (2): Saudade, x
Dunnstral (1): 0verki11
ofrhz (1): x

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Almost50 (3): x, x, x
Creature (3): s, ofrhz, x
Iconeum (2): Saudade, x
Dunnstral (1): 0verki11
ofrhz (1): x
MisaTange (1): Iconeum

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Almost50 (5): x, x, Iconeum, x, ofrhz
MisaTange (4): s, x, x, x
Iconeum (1): x
Dunnstral (1): 0verki11
ofrhz (1): x

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Rick Dalton MisaTange (4): s, x, x, x
Almost50 (3): x, x, x
Dunnstral (2): 0verki11, ofrhz
Iconeum (1): x
PenguinPower (1): Iconeum
ofrhz (1) : x

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Rick Dalton (4): s, x, x, x
Almost50 (2): x, x
Dunnstral (2): 0verki11, ofrhz
Iconeum (1): x
PenguinPower (1): Iconeum
ofrhz (1) : x
0verki11 (1) : x

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Rick Dalton (4): PenguinPower, x, x, x
Almost50 (4): x, x, x , ofrhz
Dunnstral (1): 0verki11
PenguinPower (1): Iconeum
0verki11 (1) : x

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Almost50 (5): x, x, x, ofrhz, x
Rick Dalton (2): s, x
Dunnstral (2): 0verki11, Saudade
PenguinPower (1): Iconeum
0verki11 (1) : x
bob3141 (1) : x
skitter30 (1) : x

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Almost50 (7): x, x, x, ofrhz, x, x, Iconeum (HAMMER)
Dunnstral (2): Saudade, 0verki11
Rick Dalton (1): s
0verki11 (1) : x
bob3141 (1) : x
skitter30 (1) : x

[bob3141]

the ability to get two guiltys in one action just doesnt seem balanced to me

UNVOTE: for now

[bob3141]

Ico my question is did you want eitehr of overkill or FT lynched day 2

yes I was truly fine with either lynch

but in the end i wanted overkill

but i'm afraid my switching over is what started the derail of that wagon

mm why were you fine with FT lynch but stayed on the overkill wagon

[bob3141]

also what changed between you wanting overkill lynch and later voting for chemist at one point in day 3. That meant you town read him

As thats the only reason i can you wouldnt of tracked him.

[bob3141]

i'm definitely not opposed to a PP lynch

but i realllllly want the results and fullclaim from fish

[bob3141]

VOTE: PP

L-1

You voted for PP goign to VLA. Pushing him to l-1

From your vote on fish where you claim it was there to force him to full claim.

Wouldnt you have thought that you would avoided pushing to l-1 until fish full claimed. As stated in teh quote in post above.

As you simply said you wernt oppsoed to PP lynch and not that you were certain PP was scum.

[bob3141]

This is coming from a game where you got caught of your scum buddies wagon going to vla. With the player being lycnhed before you were back

[bob3141]

im back to short list of ico, ofrhz and chemist

[bob3141]

Infact any tracker result to you would have from your view point yeilded 2 to 1 guilties.

If you are a tracker you would know no other player could be town pr.

Thus anyone goign anywhere gets you guility.

I cant see any town player giving up a 2/3 chance of getting confirmed scum. In exchange for upgrading a soft clear to hard clear. When thats done if you were to find a doc

Which with your reasoning you would have 1/3 chance.

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So thats 1/3 chance of hard guilty and one full clear
1/3 chance of full guility
1/3 chance of very soft clear. Thats leaves the last two very likely scum

[bob3141]

Also gobble was previously known as Saudude, i was townreading that slot hard

you were town reading gobble slot hard under saud.

So why not track ofrzh or chemist

you had me, skitter and saud as town reads.

Why not track the remainin players in your poe. You must of thought ill track those i think is scum or at the very least not good enough to be town read

[bob3141]

After month my computer has finaly been fixed and returned.

No long have to realy on old and noisy back up computer

[bob3141]

im happy with ofrhz. Would of throught we would of heard somethign from him

And even though were mylo i dont realy see chemist chipping in

[bob3141]

ico has responded to querys on his tracking. the otehr two no such thing

[bob3141]

gobble shall i roleclaim now or do you want to go first

[bob3141]

im a VT

[bob3141]

If ofrhz inst scum then it woudl be mistake to shot me as i aint scum.

Ico being scum doesnt mean that i am. Just that im still only soft cleared. So you would just have to shoot who you think is scum. Hopefully it would be the doc

One reason ico could have claimed is because he is the doc. Or to simply set up a townie lynch should he fall.

So Ico can still be a team with any otehr player poe

[bob3141]

I agree with you inferno that i simply cant see gobble being town. Every time i read saud iso and day one of teh game. I just cant see saud as scum

[bob3141]

One thing i think of is getting you to kill a VT. Instead of having 50/50 chance of killing teh mafia doc.

Preventign you any chance of changing a mislynch losing teh game too simply leaving us at lylo at 3.

[bob3141]

The thing we have to take account of is that before icos claim. During twlight there was hostility to the idea os another pr

Ico gets lynched. If he flips scum. Inferno who would you shoot and who woudl they expect you to shoot

[bob3141]

if you were to shot me and they you.

were in 3 player lylo with no confirmed townies.


But i think the simpler explination is that chemist ofrhz are just scum

[bob3141]

eh its not that complicated.

Scum player tries to make associations with town to get them lynched if they ever flip.


Inferno based on there actions. What order of scum woudl you place me, ico, chemist and oprzh

And noy just based on some claim. Where you cant be sure of motivation

[bob3141]

if you were to shot me and they you.

were in 3 player lylo with no confirmed townies.


But i think the simpler explination is that chemist ofrhz are just scum

Actually, the game would be over because we’re in MyLo
It’d be two scum to 1 town
Scum would have majority

Does game end or go to night

In thought if we lynch wrong we go to 5

And then you and scum have nk

if only one scum is alive. I assumed it would just go from mylo to lylo

[bob3141]

I just don’t see the Bob scumminess. Like he has been actively trying to figure out the game.

I agree and that’s why I’m inclined to put the scumteam at Ofrhz and Chem
But if that’s not the solve
I think logically the only solution is Ico/Bob

And thus you have also come up with reason why i wouldnt be a partner with ico. One i pointed out earlier and that is they would expect you too

Its not even a logical play from hypothetical ico/bob scum team. There would be mislynch, you would kill me. Ico woudl be lynced next day and game would be loss.




In fact your very reasoning makes me believe ico is most likely telling the truth. As why wouldnt he fake guility or bus teh other scum. Rather than fake claim to have tracked me.

[bob3141]

So I guess the two possible scumteams at this point are Ico/Bob and Ofrhz/Chem unless Ico is some sort of scum tracker (which doesn’t make any sense, so we can throw that out)

Yeah I think this game is solved. We just lynch Ofrhz here and then shoot and solve from there.

How would you figure out who is the maf doc?

I don't like this.

he comes back does scum hunt at all and his only question is askign how we would figure out who teh scum doc is.

Not why he isnt scum, not why anyoen should think the other two scum are in [ico, chemist, gobble and bob] poe pool

[bob3141]

So I guess the two possible scumteams at this point are Ico/Bob and Ofrhz/Chem unless Ico is some sort of scum tracker (which doesn’t make any sense, so we can throw that out)

Yeah I think this game is solved. We just lynch Ofrhz here and then shoot and solve from there.

How would you figure out who is the maf doc?

I don't like this.

he comes back doesnt scum hunt at all and his only question is askign how we would figure out who teh scum doc is.

Not why he isnt scum, not why anyoen should think the other two scum are in [ico, chemist, gobble and bob] poe pool

corrected. missed the nt

[bob3141]

why aren't you voting bob though if he's your only scumread so far

why do you not push this further and instead let it drop.

[bob3141]

why aren't you voting bob though if he's your only scumread so far

why do you not push this further and instead let it drop.

He made that post straight after a post from chemist who onyl scum read had been on me. With chemist read just beign based on just one post

[bob3141]

well two-three posts.

So based on almost nothing. With those 3 posts havign a grand total of less than 30 words

[bob3141]

The safer lynch might be chemist. As he has only had one scum read all game and has never tried to scum hunt

[bob3141]

Guess who was the lead on the wagon on overkill

interesting

scumteam leading both wagons is... rather special

Chemist what do you make of my PoE?

Inferno is confirmed town
You’re confirmed to yourself
bob is like 99% town to you

That leaves me/gobble/ofrhz

So I know either the team is gobble/ofrhz or you’re scum or your clear on bob is fake and he’s like a gated doc

coming into day 4 he finaly comes up with this

But doesnt try and work out who of that 3 woudl be scum

If he was town i woudl expect him to work out who out of ico, gobble and ofrph was scum. As well as if ico was scum would that mean i was scum.


He just talks about scum doc and total roles

[bob3141]

VOTE: Chemist

Certainly the safer vote.


His onyl arguement for himself beign scum was that PP was on his wagon. A wagon that failed and got counter wagoned. Resulting in FT beign lynched

[bob3141]

His only arguement for himself not beign scum was that PP was on his wagon. A wagon that failed and got counter wagoned. Resulting in FT beign lynched

corrected. missed the not and correct typo

[bob3141]

A thought on roles

We had a gunsmith and backup.

Wiki says a backup counts for being half role for each one it can repalce

thats 1.5 roles for town

one vig. 2.5.
one nov VC 0.75 of a VC - 3.25

now a claimed half tracker 0.5

----vs

half watcher 0.5. Would balance out tracker

leavinmg one doc.

So if tracker is true

its 3.25 roles to one. a diff of 2.25 roles. Which matches prevous games


Not sure how interplay of roles effects this though. End of day its boarder line if tracker fits in

[bob3141]

been comparing to viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79696

that had vig.

[bob3141]

its a bit messy as there was allot of fruit vendors. That seem to be put in weaken tracker and allow fake claims

but

2 shot vig plus town doc - 1.5
town tacker 1- 2.5
2 masons - 4.5

-- vs

nurse and neap 2

4.5 vs 2

[bob3141]

I believed it. Your actions made allot of sense although I do did think you last action was a bad choice. But a mistake coming from town after you explained why.

[bob3141]

Rick atleast you got to post. I remember a game a player replaced in during the night and he was the nk

[bob3141]

i don't know if it's realy a bad choice

i mean being under the impression it's an actual full doc i still think it was the best possible action

Bad migth be wrong word. Prob more along the lines as not the best

[bob3141]

punted for the nk. As you dont know docs modifiers. Seeing all the odd and evens night things i had feeling doc might not be full

Trackers not a strong role so you migth not find anything but you could get hard guility. From poe at that point you had 1/3 chance. And 1/3 chance i would be cleared anyway

[bob3141]

Certainly helped that the bad vigs kills were the same as the scum kills.

After day 3 it was just a matter of seeing who stuck out in the vote counts. And when i looked at them the 3 scum realy stuck out.

And no townie doubted gobble or inferno so was prety much sealed then