Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

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VOTE: skitter30

I'm glad to play with you again!

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Actually, VOTE: benhalkum

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Wait, no.

VOTE: DrDolittle

final answer

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then why are you voting salad?

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oh wait he switched his vote too

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why did you do that? VOTE: salad

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ok. VOTE: skitter30

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VOTE: tris

Out of all your votes why go back to skitter?

but, i was always voting for skitter

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VOTE: brighteyedfish

Pedit: I think RCE is town

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false

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why does it make me scum?

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why does the vote switching help scum?

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me posting more allows me to lurk?

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but then everyone's paying attention to me

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would this scumread apply if i were simply just posting a lot without changing votes?

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hi! is that just rvs or is there any more reason?

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It’s the thinking you did behind the posts.

that's what it looks like they're talking about to me

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(Haha! Because I changed my vote a bunch of times, no one has noticed that my partners skitter and skellen haven't posted yet! All according to plan!)

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I'm defending you?

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really, you've defended me more than i've defended you

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I'm defending you?

Is how I read 81, yeah

kind of. i was mostly trying to understand what LUV was talking about there

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what were the other two strikes?

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i suppose this means i am released from voting the fish

VOTE: morality

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Simultaneously pocketing bef and drawing a Hardline between bef and Mizzy/Tris without anything concrete to make that claim on. It suggests he's trying to dictate the gamestate which I expect from scum morality.

this is the line that got me to vote morality

So I told myself I will 100% Lynch morality if he: claims miller, softs traitor/sk, hints at any kind of IC status.

3 for 3.

This is also kind of weak, because I do this as town, so it’s effectively a PL.

And I have never softed traitor as non town.

You would do it as scum or town, what matters is the context and in this case the context is the playerlist.

what is it about the playerlist that makes a difference?

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uh oh

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the problem with that is that i'm town

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what makes me more scum than the others?

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i want to know

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Subject: Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

For some reason it seems like no one's really expressed a read on me. Does anyone want to give it a shot?

Sure - scummy side of null. Your ISO is a bunch of questions without pushes. You occasionally put a post in tags and say you don't like it but don't give specific reasons.

I've gotten this complaint before.

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Subject: Open 766: Alternating 9P

is it because i've been asking "random" questions? and not committing to any reads?

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the problem with that is that i'm town

But everyone would say that.

What makes you more town than Morality. Because from where I'm at the lynch is looking to be between the 2 of you today.

are you scumreading morality, or is this just a statement of where you see the game going?

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Also Tris....ongoing games...

Oops.

@mod: could you edit away the second quote I made there?

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I can't deal with how slow the site's being. I'll try later.

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Subject: Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

For some reason it seems like no one's really expressed a read on me. Does anyone want to give it a shot?

Sure - scummy side of null. Your ISO is a bunch of questions without pushes. You occasionally put a post in tags and say you don't like it but don't give specific reasons.

I've gotten this complaint before.

Subject: Open 765: Haunted Village (Day 3)

but the... 'randomness' of her questions isn't something I like.

I get that a lot.

Subject: Open 766: Alternating 9P

is it because i've been asking "random" questions? and not committing to any reads?

These questions aren't random. They seem more deflective here. And besides self-meta is always pre-determined and useless imo.

I don't really meta people but occasionally when it's late in game and I am completely null on someone.

i guess that is different

could you answer my question about morality?

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Subject: Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

RCE is good at reading me.

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I feel a bit iffy about tris on the first two pages, I have trouble with understanding the sequence of her reads/posts. On one hand she has no problem with joining Vex on Salad for his vote switching (temporarily)

this is because i wanted to hear salad's explanation for his vote switch. when i was satisfied with the answer, i moved off.

but once RCE comes around and calls Vex scum she calls RCE town. It feels off, but I don't know how to describe it. Like in comparision I get Mizzy who had the same observation about Vex like RCE and started voting Vex, while tris just says RCE is town without implying any reason and moves on with voting BEF as she seemingly didn't share the suspicion on Vex? What was the thought process here?

my townread of RCE was not just because he scumread Vex, but because of the way presented it. the fact that he was thinking about it from the perspective of looking back at the read after the game's over is something that makes more sense from a town mindset. i also didn't vote for vex because i had been instructed to vote for BEF

Pedit: ok

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hey all
i was vla
catching up now

you missed out on the site being extremely slow.

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you're making shorter comments than i'm used to from you

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could you tell me more about skellen's entrance?

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what's your impression of ben?

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i'm curious about dolittle. i don't have a read on him yet.

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VOTE: BEF

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I am anti-mindmelding with much of 318

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Spoiler: responses to 318

I have no sleep schedule and posted just after I woke up, then went back to double check and corrected myself.

What I don't get is, say you are right and I'm scum and this is all theatre. What's the progression - fake getting confused about something to try and get someone off my back, which might or might not have worked, then immediately draw attention to the inconsistency? Even if we get into WIFOM stuff I don't see how that's a good scum play.

pedit: First post I was confirming that I didn't think it was RVS. Second post I stated when I thought it was cos I thought it might help explain where I was on the game. How is stating that I don't think we are in RVS and when it happened the same thing?

it doesnt have to be a good scumplay for you to do it. scum has several goals they wanna do, with no clear method as to how to arrive there. one of the greatest tricks scum will employ is creating chaos. doesnt matter what the point of the chaos is, it just exists and makes the game harder to read and makes towns job so much harder. even if ur scum, you could still pull that off.

how does saying that you were mistaken about something cause chaos?

LUV is right, if nothing I can say will convince him then it's better not to waste more thread space for that. Along with the tone of his push on me in general he gets town points for that.

I like Morality's read on tris's posting and her defending me gets me a bit paranoid about her trying to create associatives with me to set up a mislynch, or buddying me - especially cos Morality has already suggested a potential connection between us.

Feeling flip floppy on Vex cos I too would like to hear why BEF unvoted, and especially why they didn't vote somewhere else, but still don't like his response to pressure or early vote.

Vex hasn't made it back to null for me just yet but I have more uncertainty there than VOTE: tris

i kinda dont like this post in general. read on me feels weird and the tris vote, while i agree with it, feels extremely weird to me.

i townread that post. the paranoia on me felt real.

"Bah gawd, is that Flavour Leaf's music. Wait, no, who is this, it's Moraaaaality!"

Just really like the idea of alts as different wrestling personas. Also after reading a few games I was kinda bummed not to be playing with you and didn't realise this was an alt. All in all what I'm trying to say is ... can I have your autograph.

Fanning aside ...

VOTE: morality

i suppose this means i am released from voting the fish

VOTE: morality

RCEnigma’s vote is fine, these are garbage.

Yeah, gotta say I'm happy with my tris vote when this happened after. Somebody gonna explain this wagon or..?

wtf is this post?
"oh look, its someone i like and im gonna post something completely off topic. anyways my vote on tris is good, but will someone explain why?"

i think you're misreading here. the wagon they wanted explained was the wagon on morality

the problem with that is that i'm town

But everyone would say that.

What makes you more town than Morality. Because from where I'm at the lynch is looking to be between the 2 of you today.

good post for the point of the game we're in.

i have the opposite reaction. i think saying that the lynch is going to come down to me and morality is way too premature for this point in the day.

what makes me more scum than the others?

yes. are you somehow confused about that?

what? that wasn't a yes or no question.

honestly this whole sequence is bad.

I’m just kidding I won’t be conf town. I’m sorry, I’m trolling. Sorry, sorry.

I’m sorry. I’m messing around.

I haven’t been town on this account in a couple years, I don’t remember how to act. You must forgive me.

VOTE: morality

i suppose this means i am released from voting the fish

VOTE: morality

RCEnigma’s vote is fine, these are garbage.

Exactly, this is a town case on me.

Sorry, I’m too good at scum to be scum here. Simple as that. Scum me would never have something you can point out this early as garbage.

Also, it’s early game, and you’re assuming I’m taking these hard stances straight up.

I purposefully went ham this game early to draw reactions like this from people.

And you lot fell for it.

There is 100% scum within Tris, DDL, and RCE. Possibly more than 1.

i kinda feel like this is a bit wifomy, but i can agree with the readlist at the bottom.
personally i dont like the wifom part.

i of course disagree with that list. i know i'm town, and i think rce is town.

UNVOTE: Tris

Just want to make sure I did that before I forgot. I only voted tris as a random, don't want to be looped into a bandwagon I'm not behind.

Leaning toward the Morality vote though. The post are coming off as defensive/deflective than something a townie would do.

"Hey look at me, this is totally not how I act when I'm scum!" is very.. very.. scummy to me.

wrt to tris uv, dont really like the explanation. it feels forced and mechanical to me.
also if u find morality scummy, why not vote them?

if he's voting a wagon he doesn't believe in, why wouldn't he unvote?

Ugh, apologies, I just got my new internet access. Not that it helps, because this site is so godawful slow it's hardly playable. Have literally opened all pages in tabs, work without quotes and will just try to cover as much as I can until I ragequit.

I feel a bit iffy about tris on the first two pages, I have trouble with understanding the sequence of her reads/posts. On one hand she has no problem with joining Vex on Salad for his vote switching (temporarily) but once RCE comes around and calls Vex scum she calls RCE town. It feels off, but I don't know how to describe it. Like in comparision I get Mizzy who had the same observation about Vex like RCE and started voting Vex, while tris just says RCE is town without implying any reason and moves on with voting BEF as she seemingly didn't share the suspicion on Vex? What was the thought process here?

I don't like BEF's opening either for similar reasons. His opening felt a bit lazy with leaning town on RCE without participating in anything that happened so far, it looks a bit like trying to fit in with agreeing on the current consensus townlean. Him just backing off his random vote when Mizzy asked him about it looked weird. I don't know why he even bothered?

For the record it's not that I disagree about a townlean on RCE. I have the same tendency about him, but I felt that interaction with Vex was too early for that as Vex could as well just have been an easy target with his try-hard approach to gain some early towncred. I think RCE's handling of his Morality scumread is more town indicative here.

i kinda like this post on the surface, but i had to re-read it a couple of times. upon deeper reading, i kinda feel neutral about it. the bottom feels a bit different and like skellen is trying to create an out.

what is she creating an out for? there's no points against RCE there. it's just that she wouldn't have townread RCE at that point yet.

I don't like benhalkum either. His first post comes in with an excusing tone that he is not lurking and then later he unvotes his random vote and leans on a Morality vote as he finds his behaviour scummy. So why doesn't he vote Morality then? It's not that he is asking Morality any questions either, so...? Gives me a bad impression so far.

VOTE: benhalkum

mindmelding with this post. skellen is probably town imo.

this seems like an easy read to have. nothing that significant to have mindmelded over.

I feel a bit iffy about tris on the first two pages, I have trouble with understanding the sequence of her reads/posts. On one hand she has no problem with joining Vex on Salad for his vote switching (temporarily)

this is because i wanted to hear salad's explanation for his vote switch. when i was satisfied with the answer, i moved off.

but once RCE comes around and calls Vex scum she calls RCE town. It feels off, but I don't know how to describe it. Like in comparision I get Mizzy who had the same observation about Vex like RCE and started voting Vex, while tris just says RCE is town without implying any reason and moves on with voting BEF as she seemingly didn't share the suspicion on Vex? What was the thought process here?

my townread of RCE was not just because he scumread Vex, but because of the way presented it. the fact that he was thinking about it from the perspective of looking back at the read after the game's over is something that makes more sense from a town mindset. i also didn't vote for vex because i had been instructed to vote for BEF

Pedit: ok

ok why are you voting bef because u were instructed to do it? why not vote for whoever you find scummy, in this case me?

i hadn't reached a read on you yet actually. i might have voted you for pressure, but i would have felt bad for so quickly abandoning dolittle.

- his opening push on salad was shallow and bad
- he likes playing town and tends to avoid posting as scum. Like town!him enjoys catching up and i think would have done it last night, over complaining over how many pages were produced. Scum!him feels catching up is a chore, and this is the attitude i see in 278

Pedit: @luv, regarding vex

The first point is valid but I buy the sincerity of his thoughts. Vex’s case may have been illogical but I just got the feeling that he believed what he what was saying when he was explaining why he pushed Salad.

The site was still lagging a bit last night so I’m not sure if you can fault him for not wanting to.

i like this post. its hitting on my thoughtprocess pretty well.

what thought processes? LUV wasn't describing any thought processes of yours. He just said that he thought you believed what you were saying.

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Spoiler: i would like to call attention to this bit for BEF to respond to

the problem with that is that i'm town

But everyone would say that.

What makes you more town than Morality. Because from where I'm at the lynch is looking to be between the 2 of you today.

good post for the point of the game we're in.

i have the opposite reaction. i think saying that the lynch is going to come down to me and morality is way too premature for this point in the day.

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@bob in a game i moderated, you had a lot of misspellings. why don't you anymore?

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oh, i meant to do this.

VOTE: vex

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why have you been posting less frequently dolittle?

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i think mizzy's town

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why is LUV town?

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whos luv

Lil Uzi Vert

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sorry i've been a bit absent. i'm gonna take a closer look at some players tomorrow

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im quickly skimming the thread and will most likely work on my catchup during lunch/class but i did see this:

- his opening push on salad was shallow and bad
- he likes playing town and tends to avoid posting as scum. Like town!him enjoys catching up and i think would have done it last night, over complaining over how many pages were produced. Scum!him feels catching up is a chore, and this is the attitude i see in 278

Pedit: @luv, regarding vex

1) push on salad was just because i tried metaing everyone before the game started, gave up when i got to tris and saw like 10+ games id need to read over and decided to do homework instead. salad from what i saw was a weaker player and would probably alignment spew from an early push.
2a) under vex, yes i prefer town over scum. as korina, i prefer scum over town. its a semantics argument on why and ill explain it post-game if anyones interested.
2b) the argument for activity for vex is kinda true, kinda not. i know i share some traits between korina and vex which i cant really help, (namely high posting), however, recently (newbie 1949, the game you modded), you saw that i was posting a lot as scum, esp in the scum pt.
2c) i do enjoy catching up, however, like 20+ pages over the span of 48hrs when i cant read any of it due to site lag, much less login to vex to begin with just demotivates me from trying. also, with lag and the fact that my fall break is today, and i have a couple of papers due, i really didnt wanna bother with catching up right then. im happy to try to do it later today because im on break and i got nothing due tho

I dont know why but there is just something about this post. Feels a bit comradery.

a scummy something or a towny something?

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looks like responding to criticisms to me

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i'm sorry, i don't understand what you're saying

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I don't get where tris' BEF vote came from. Feels a bit OMGUSy.

125. not because he was narrowing down to a group that includes me, but because he was narrowing down to a group that included someone he didn't even scumread (who he is now voting?) at that point in the game.

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It was a holiday here yesterday and I didn't get a chance to get on this site really...

Spoiler: i would like to call attention to this bit for BEF to respond to

the problem with that is that i'm town

But everyone would say that.

What makes you more town than Morality. Because from where I'm at the lynch is looking to be between the 2 of you today.

good post for the point of the game we're in.

i have the opposite reaction. i think saying that the lynch is going to come down to me and morality is way too premature for this point in the day.

What am I supposed to respond to here??

my criticism of your post.

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@dolittle Why is BEF town?

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i would never have guessed otherwise

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almost50 has done nothing to change my opinion of the slot

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I assume this is what skitter is saying you ignored

why are you trying to get me to townread you ?

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@dolittle

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ok i don't really want to lynch fl today but if he isn't dead by like lylo he's probably scum

now let's figure out who to lynch

i did moderate a game where he got lynched in lylo and was town.

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Did you play with BEF before?? He's like OBVIOUS as either alignment from the way he thinks and the way he posts.

what is obviously town about the way he is posting?

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i think i'm coming to a skitter townread now

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your interactions with pretentious

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??

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Idk what makes a read good but I just think as a newb!readmaker this is pretty good...

i don't know what this means

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i want to lynch a50

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Scum is likely hiding in players that aren’t being suspected.

who would you say that is?

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Also I like that analogy for bed.
I think he's probably town regardless of your alignment.

i don't understand the analogy.

i don't see what it is people are townreading in bef

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VOTE: BEF

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VOTE: BEF

OK.. I get that you don't read him. Fine. But would you care to explain why you had to wait for someone else to start the wagon for you to jump on it?

I was voting for you, but that was going nowhere. when skellen voted you, i decided to join that

why aren't you explaining the townread?

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Now, do you think this explains anything to you?

i think so. i'll take your (and RCE's) word for it.
VOTE: bob

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... in 786. My lynch list in 788 still stands.

so, you're saying i was scummy for suggesting BEF scum?

and you're saying a50 is in your lynch list?

do i have that right?

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i think so. i'll take your (and RCE's) word for it.
VOTE: bob

That was all that it took to change your mind? You trust the word of your scumread (if he still is) that easily?

it's also RCE who i townread.

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read a little further

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rraarg is tris really scum? I'd be disappointed if so

why disapointed?

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bob - got a null blind spot here, even when I look at his ISO I feel like I can't really remember him being in the game, he's mostly just town through PoE right now. @RCE I believe you said you thought bob was town, but it's worth discussing tomorrow cos they weren't a possible lynch today, has that changed now?

--COULD COMPROMISE EOD IF NECESSARY--

why is null above the could compromise on line?

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@tris is there a reason you don't want to go on the pretentious or ddl wagon?

i don't exactly townread dolittle, but i think i can figure him out later

i haven't really been sure how to read pretentious so i've been trying other wagons

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i think so. i'll take your (and RCE's) word for it.
VOTE: bob

That was all that it took to change your mind? You trust the word of your scumread (if he still is) that easily?

it's also RCE who i townread.

I hadn't really put much thought into this interaction at the time but following your logic of "my scumread(A50) is advocating for bef but so is my townread (me)." Why is it that Bob was your very next vote when I've been the only person to advocate for Bob being town.

I would think Bob town would be a better sheep read from your perspective if you think I'm town than bef since A50 could very well be wifoming with his read there or there's the potential for a partner/partner interaction there.

i didn't remember your townread on bob

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as for my bob vote, i didn't really have much of a reason. i felt like he wasn't doing much. i wasn't interested in voting any of the competing wagons. idk

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VOTE: a50

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i don't think i'm being like scum!me

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VOTE: tris

i really don't know how i feel about ddl either tbh

what do you scumread me for? you haven't really said, just lost townpings.

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is there anyone here right now?

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viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80584

in August

it was an easy game because town screwed up badly

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i'm probably not outside of my scumrange. but i think i tend to know what i'm doing more when i'm scum on day 1. i think that changes later on though.

that game isn't a good one to compare to though, because it was a micro where day 1 was cut short.

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well i'll see what's going on when i wake up

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at least i was right on vex/almost