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[UltimatePlank]

VOTE: saladman

You don't win friends with salad.

[UltimatePlank]

Hi again to Elements, Saladman, and sausage
Nice to meet the rest of you.

Let's quickly fast forward through RVS yeah?
VOTE: vork

How does voting yourself fast forward RVS? Wouldn't it be better to join a different wagon?

[UltimatePlank]

That seems overzealous.

It's a bit weird, but I want to see what else Wake has to say today first.

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So bad that scum are probably going to be hesitant to say it perhaps?

I know lots of people dislike early days, and this seems like one of the more blatant ways to bring attention to it. I'm not eager to have a wagon lolhammered but I think usually Day1 ends up being a compromise lynch also. So it likely won't have a big impact even if it happens.

[UltimatePlank]

Why are you defending him before he defended himself anyway

This is the most interesting thing to happen in the game so far.

[UltimatePlank]

Just sit in the corner and let me carry this game is already won

But voting is by majority and not plurality.

How can you win the game if people don't vote with you?

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So bad that scum are probably going to be hesitant to say it perhaps?

I know lots of people dislike early days, and this seems like one of the more blatant ways to bring attention to it. I'm not eager to have a wagon lolhammered but I think usually Day1 ends up being a compromise lynch also. So it likely won't have a big impact even if it happens.

Wanna guess what other person I know said the exact same line he did and turned out to be scum?

Well that's interesting. Enlighten me.

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I think sausage is town

Why is that?

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Oh right, saudade...sausage

=/

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You said the exact same line?

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Similar vibes from my previous games with them

Were they right?

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Similar vibes from my previous games with them

Were they right?

Maybe partially? But they were town.

Would you expect that they'd do a similar thing as scum?

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I have limited time since I'm on my work break. At end of page5 right now.

I'm inclined to think that Wimpy is probably town and there's scum somewhere in the pile-on that occurred on him.

It seems really odd to have such insistence that Wake is scum by multiple people, to then have some of this group switch focus to someone else. It feels as if the collective focus is not really to find scum, but to appear like they're trying to find scum.

It makes me think there's scum out of Elements/Vork/Saudade.

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Eesh I just finished page7 and I have to go back to work.

The hubris in this game is already exhausting. Going to put my vote down and come back to the game after work.

The best read I have so far is actually that Alimidia is probably town. Wimpy is defending themselves a lot, but I find it hard to read much through their frustration yet.

VOTE: Vorkuta

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Did we just bully wimpy into leaving?

Yeah, seems that way.

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Well, I'm caught up and I can't say I have any real motivation to play this game after those 11 pages. Wimpy was pretty obviously town though, can't see any reason scum would bother to replace out there.

Even thinking about this game leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, and my vote would probably be going on Elements or Vorkuta. Will vote whichever wagon is biggest.

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VOTE: Salad

So I started reading the game and someone who talks in the 3rd person decided to call me a cur.

Since I'm positive that Wimpy was town, I'm voting wherever his replacement votes.

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It'd also be nice if people stopped call others dogs as well.

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I will hammer whoever reaches L-1 without announcing it.

I do not like Day 1, because I've got literally nothing to work with.

Including yourself?

Of course not. That would go against my wincon.

If I did that I'd probably get in trouble with Mafiascum rules for going against my wincon.

Profii did you also miss this? Wake not self-hammering was well and truly established by now.

This game is really frustrating to read. I think there's scum in Vork or Elements. Saudade is likely just a really obnoxious town player I think, his carefree attitude probably doesn't come from scum and he does at least try the most minuscule of amounts to sometimes reign it in. I think that both Vork and Elements were piggybacking off Saudade and too willing to scumread Wake for not their own reasons. Profii is less guilty of this, and I can see a world where profii is town that I disagree with.

The only strong reads I have right now are Alimidia and Elbirn, who I'm pretty sure are both town. I'm not all that sure about my scumreads, but there's also a lot of day left. I also think that this lynch on Wake is just a gamble. I don't think the way he is playing right now has anything to do with his alignment.

VOTE: Elements

I'm less annoyed at this game now, and gun to my head, this is where I'd lynch today.

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I wanna hear a bit more from UltimatePlank

He says he best town read is alimdia
And from the Wimpy-saga he says scum probably piled on meaning one of {elements/vork/Saudade}


My questions are - why is alimdia so town and where does elements come into it as I don’t understand

Also, whilst I agree wimpy is likely town I am not sure that sheeping his slot is the wisest plan - being town inherently means uninformed ergo doesn’t actually know who the scum is.

Alimdia has been ignoring the shitshow all game and putting out original thoughts for majority of the game. They're doing a lot of things that are good for the town, and for Day1 I think it's safe to assume they're town for now. Along with Elbirn they'd be the last 2 people I lynch in this game so far.

The phrasing on that last part is really weird. Obviously town are uninformed, we all are, that goes without saying. I never claimed that I was playing the wisest plan, but it's hard to be motivated to play when you have 10 pages of a shitshow and then when you actually return to play there's someone talking in 3rd person and insulting people.

Yeah, I think both vorkuta and elements were opportunistic about Saudade's pressure on Wake. It seems really strange to me that Wake received that much pressure and also, the pushing on Wimpy was really uninspired and I think Elements' arguments especially were really weak against Wimpy. I don't really know about Vork to be honest.

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I’m just quoting what he said

Did you see his post below the initial one though?

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VC 1.5

Wake88 (5):

Saudade, profii, Vorkuta, Zote the Mighty, Saladman27

This looks like such a bad wagon to me. I don't think I trust anyone that's on it right now.

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I'm a big fan of pressuring this slot actually

VOTE: Looker

[UltimatePlank]

Alimdia has been ignoring the shitshow all game and putting out original thoughts for majority of the game. They're doing a lot of things that are good for the town, and for Day1 I think it's safe to assume they're town for now.

@profii

This is why i townread Alimdia

[UltimatePlank]

Why would i bother regurgitating reasons?

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Why would i bother regurgitating reasons?

Because it’s easy for scum to sheep wrong town and be like yep I just agreed with that dude he sounded clever

I don’t like that post, at all.

VOTE: ultimateplank

So instead I should use other people's reasoning to place my own vote?

[UltimatePlank]

Can someone TL;DR key points the wagon on looker?
I've caught up but I still don't get it

You have a reason for not wanting Looker to be pressured?

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Why would i bother regurgitating reasons?

Because it’s easy for scum to sheep wrong town and be like yep I just agreed with that dude he sounded clever

I don’t like that post, at all.

VOTE: ultimateplank

So instead I should use other people's reasoning to place my own vote?

I'm having a hard time understanding anything you say profii.

Saladman literally asked me why I didn't "regurgitate someone else's reads" - the thing you just described as bad is the thing Saladman said I should do. I asked him why I would do...exactly the thing that you just claimed is bad?

You are aware that Saladman is the one advocating for meaningless +1 posts, not me here. You should be voting him if you think that's such a scummy thing to do.

My reason for pressuring Looker is that he has basically no content. I'd forgotten all about that slot until I saw others vote him, and then I realised that was actually a good place for a wagon right now.

In any case I'm very comfortable seeing how poorly profii and Vork have responded to Looker suddenly getting a few votes. I think we should keep the pressure on Looker, or one of those two

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Right now I think Saudade is town. I don't much care for his minimalistic posting style, but he seems to want to progress the game along and get us away from the pointless discussion that has clogged the past few pages.

I don't see this. Can you point me to a post where he was progressing the game as opposed to spamming the thread? I'm trying to determine whether my distrust of him is based on alignment or personality.

I’m not voting looker mostly based on this post

He seems to be genuinely trying to work Saudade out

If you are trying to work something out, you don’t know, ergo you are town

It’s obviously an early read on a quiet slot so it can change but for now...

Where is the part where he's genuinely trying to figure out Saudade's alignment exactly?

I see Zote having a townread and Looker saying that he isn't sure about that. But where does Looker actually go out of his way to show that he is trying to sort Saudade?

[UltimatePlank]

VC 1.7

Looker (3):

UltimatePlank, Wake88, alimdia

Wake88 (2):

Saudade, Vorkuta

Saladman27 (2):

Elbirn, Zote the Mighty

UltimatePlank (2):

profii, Saladman27

Elbirn (1):

Elements

Elements (1):

Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

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Mod Notes:

Saladman27 is V/LA until 11/14

Elements is being prodded

I'm very surprised that Elements isn't participating when the town has a lot of divided opinions

[UltimatePlank]

Idk what to make of Vorkuta at this point. Read on them feels kinda stale and I'll have to revisit it but I'd want a lynch from profii/Elements/Looker at this stage.

Profii's reasonings for everything he says are baffling to me, and they don't hold up from one context to another. He doesn't want to wagon Looker, who has maybe one example of showing that they're "unsure" and "unsure = town" (?) in his eyes. But all the other instances of people being unsure about things or showing doubt are not cause for this same thinking?

And his primary reason for voting me seems to have more to do with...the fact that I voted Looker than anything else

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VOTE: profii

Actually this is where I want to vote. Looker's probably a wolf with profii, but profii's actually actively doing wolfy things right now. I think profii is a surefire bet to flip wolf.

[UltimatePlank]

VOTE: Looker

Back to this after that last page. Have to go to work.

[UltimatePlank]

wow typing with capital letters so much effort imo

VOTE: Elements

new and exciting direction for this game wow so exciting

[UltimatePlank]

wow typing with capital letters so much effort imo

VOTE: Elements

new and exciting direction for this game wow so exciting

Why are you doing this exactly?

because looker is obviously stubborn and doesnt care to claim until he feels ready, and even if put to L-1 with intent probably doesn't give a shit on principle

i have problems with Elements' play and i think that's a better tree to bark up until we're collectively ready to lynch someone

also i agree with alimdia here regarding looker as the most independently scummy. i also think scum!Looker implicates others here too, whereas them being scum doesn't necessarily implicate looker

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profii continues to ping me as scum, for statements like the above

obviously if someone pushes a wagon hard and that wagon turns green, you look at that person? you don't immediately consider they're scum, but you look at that possibility for sure

but he questions why we would do that, saying, "obviously alimdia is just cock sure"

like, what?

and earlier profii even questioned my townread on alimdia. so he doesn't even townread alimdia, but sits there sniping people who are throwing hypothetical suspicion on a hypothetical flip? this has been an angle he takes a lot in this game and it's super fucking weird.

i think the best lynches today are profii, Elements or Looker

[UltimatePlank]

wow typing with capital letters so much effort imo

VOTE: Elements

new and exciting direction for this game wow so exciting

Why are you doing this exactly?

because looker is obviously stubborn and doesnt care to claim until he feels ready, and even if put to L-1 with intent probably doesn't give a shit on principle

i have problems with Elements' play and i think that's a better tree to bark up until we're collectively ready to lynch someone

also i agree with alimdia here regarding looker as the most independently scummy. i also think scum!Looker implicates others here too, whereas them being scum doesn't necessarily implicate looker

Okay
Cool
But what are the problems you have with elements play
That's the question I'm really asking here

said he was gonna play, doesn't actually play

votes looker, asks for hammer without claim (okay?)

his interactions with wimpy are just following the saudade wagon, and he doesn't actually offer a stance on wake - just calls saudade town and then completely sidesteps the whole convo going on.

he calls my argument with profii a case of me just wording things weirdly, instead of reading it and understanding the point made.

just a really shit overall development of play, and he's played in a way that makes him possible scum with pretty much anyone in the game. hasn't given a single point of view that goes against the grain that implies he has an original thought about the game or is trying to solve it

and lo and behold, the only player in the game actually expressing any real issue with his play and showing intent to have them lynched (me btw) is the person he ends up finding some rubbish reason to vote (wow what a surprise)

i'm amazed more people don't want elements lynched tbh

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fos is so...pointless?

i don't even consider it doing anything if the threat of lynch isn't real. i'd rather genuinely try to lynch elements here than park a vote for 2 days while we wait, because doing what you propose, elements is also unlikely to talk and discussion isn't going to move forward either

[UltimatePlank]

actually alimdia what do you think of vorkuta?

my read on them is kinda just stale at this point

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if we force a claim from elements, and we decide it's not scum and switch to looker i consider that better than parking a vote on the looker wagon for 2 days.

i don't consider elements cleared regardless of what looker flips. or do you think scum!Looker = town!Elements?

i think scum looker clears basically you and Wake. that's it.

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If wake88 flips scum Looker is scum as well

pls explain btw

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You're just tunneling on wake at this point

I think hes scum yeah,but i was in favor of pursuing other things and you ended up with looker
Who is a far worse candidate for scum than wake

I thought you said that Wake is scum with Looker?

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I also happen to be the best player in the table so sheep me

So good that you can barely get a wagon on the player you want.

Intent to hammer Looker.

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I also happen to be the best player in the table so sheep me

So good that you can barely get a wagon on the player you want.

Intent to hammer Looker.

if you hammer Looker now you're going to eat rope tomorrow

VOTE: Looker

[UltimatePlank]

This game state sucks but I'm not lynching someone because "man play game bad, bad game play man badman"

"this is also my opinion thanks for having it" - psyche

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oh wait that's not hammer?

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Thoughts on Saudade being Scum?

Either he's really dumb or dishonest Town, or he's not-so-subtle Scum.

I still think Saudade is town at this point. I don't like his playstyle, but his intentions come from the right place I think.

hot take: looker is scum with saudade and wake is town

if looker flips scum i'm just gonna say elements is lazy as fuck town

[UltimatePlank]

someone hammer let's go

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H A M M E R
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i wanna 1v1 saudade tomorrow

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This game state sucks but I'm not lynching someone because "man play game bad, bad game play man badman"

"this is also my opinion thanks for having it" - psyche

Plank are you Psyche, that would be rly fun

i'm just quoting him

i ain't claimin' no makin' money from these quotin'

[UltimatePlank]

don't report me for copyright infringement :'(

[UltimatePlank]

man idk anymore but wake wagon is not better than looker wagon

gonna need more than "wakemanbad"

what OTHER wagon do you want saudade

honestly id vote saudade over wake at this juncture

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if you were actually paying attention Zote, you'd have noticed that i did put my vote on elements because I wanted to pressure that slot, but multiple people are unwilling to shift from the Looker wagon and we want a claim

there's 5 people who want a claim from him: myself, Alimdia, profii, wake, elbirn

elements continues to not contribute to the game, and fails to actually follow up on things he brings up: this is a classic scum tell. but since he has fuckall content, there's not much else i can say beyond that. he's done barely anything in the game, and what he's done has been scummy.

i think Looker's also scum, because he's present, has no claim to have been not present in the game and by contrast he's not really generating any kind of impetus towards a scumread. he's actually the prime example of what saudade calls 'reactive scum' in this game. wake isn't because wake is actually just ignoring saudade at this point, and saudade's continued insistence looks much worse on saudade than wake imo. Wake isn't high activity, but the activity he has is much better than elements

tl;dr like i said earlier i'm totally fine with lynching any of Looker/elements/profii

so asking me why i haven't voted elements when actually i did try to switch the focus to elements, and that i've already stated i'm happy with a looker lynch is kind of...pathetic?

genuinely don't know wtf your alignment is because this play just sucks either way

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and if looker flips scum, imo we lynch from saudade/elements/zote

profii is scummy but i doubt he's scum with looker - again the reason my top preference is looker/elements and why profii's just in my scumpile

[UltimatePlank]

honestly if saudade continues playing this pathetic id lynch him today as well

actually worse than a prod dodger

REEE WAKE BAD LYNCH WAKE BECAUSE WAKE BAD REEE

do something else

[UltimatePlank]

yep, and clears profii fmpov

he went to looker wagon over yours, and if looker was scum profii wouldnt have much rrason for that at all. so looker scum clears profii

[UltimatePlank]

if looker was scum with profii*

[UltimatePlank]

wow ez game

VOTE: saudade

[UltimatePlank]

GLADIATE: SAUDADE

[UltimatePlank]

why the fuck are people voting elbirn LMAO

[UltimatePlank]

saladman probably just weirdtown tbh

saudade is the other scum

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ok wake if you're town which i think you are, you have to wonder why saudade was so hellbent on flipping YOU first and saying 'if wake scum then looker scum'

and when multiple people asked why he wouldn't just want to do it the other way around, he resisted it SOFUCKINGHARD

scum would not wanna go 1v9 on day2 and this is a fucking nailed up coffin for saudade as far as im concerned. i will never unvote this slot ever. wake is very likely town after that flip and the person playing the absolute poorest around those wagons was 100% saudade

not just that: does fucking nothing all game except complain that wake is scum

lynch saudade and omegalaff at scumteam thx

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nah alimdia, profii is much less likely to be scum than sausage

[UltimatePlank]

the whole "flip wake then looker win game" but

"no we cant flip looker and then wake and win game"

was stupid as shit

and it was stupid as shit because he is scum

[UltimatePlank]

like by all means let's play day2 but this game is donezo

[UltimatePlank]

on one hand im curious why exactly elbirn is voting saudade but im also very sure he's town so i dont really care for him.to explain

im guessing his reasons are sort of parallel to my own

[UltimatePlank]

wake, alimdia, elbirn im never voting in this game

[UltimatePlank]

so when are we lynching the mason fakeclaim

[UltimatePlank]

i mean, is actively scummy not worse than lurking?

[UltimatePlank]

People currently on Saudade wagon, assist me pls?

with wat

[UltimatePlank]

the townread reasons based off meta are a snooze to read

when someone enters a game where multiple other slots are town and they're scum, they're quite obviously going to make an effort to have their game superficially resemble what they estimate other people thinl their town game should

shit like "i've seen saudade tunnel as town" isn't what actually has a bearing on how you read his alignment. if he tunneled in a previous game and 4 people in this game expect that and he's scum, he's probably going to do something similar in this game

it doesn't mean that when he does actual scummy shit and has half a dozen things that make him scum, that you still townread him not for even doing something that's actually even towny, but simply doing a thing that he once did as town

smfh

[UltimatePlank]

VOTE: vorkuta

off to bed now

[UltimatePlank]

and yes people have made plenty of points about why saudade is town well beyond his tunneling profii

[UltimatePlank]

why saudade is not* town

[UltimatePlank]

I still don't like plank, nothing they've done today has made with think they can't be lookers buddy
VOTE: plank

omegalaff

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my work break is about to end, im fine with voting vork but dont have time to respond to all

im caught up, but i wanna say some stuff before day ends in case im NK. i finish work in a few hours

[UltimatePlank]

btw every player has contributed since saudade claimed mason and no one's confirmed so i'd prefer saudade lynch actually

tanks

[UltimatePlank]

actually amazing to me that we might let saudade live despite that, fuck vork tbh. Saudade is the last scum

[UltimatePlank]

ok really gotta go back to work thanx

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honestly i don't rate this play on vorkuta but eh whatever.

i think the best lynches are actually saudade or elements

[UltimatePlank]

I claim even night tracker, guess what I got boys

no one died tho

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lol

VOTE: Saudade

[UltimatePlank]

Why is everyone claiming lol.

yea, just shutup unless you're put at L-1 with intent

thankz

[UltimatePlank]

also can we lynch the person we should have lynched yesterday?

(aka Saudade)

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hey those mason claims were cool hey

oh haha lol jkz just kidding im a tracker btw XXXXDDDDD

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you heard him everyone

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scum can't afk if we lynch them

[UltimatePlank]

can we talk for a second about why we aren't just powerlynching the player who's fakeclaimed two different PRs in one game?

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He may have had the chance if wake didnt turbo hammer him after like

3 different players felt like pressuring me into voting him in the first place

lmao what

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VOTE: Saudade

gg ez

[UltimatePlank]

wow what is this game imo

[UltimatePlank]

i need to re-read day1+2

i was sure day3 was the end of the game

i'd like to believe that the last scum are obviously in Elements/Saladman but i don't want to rush this day now

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i mean the idea that alimdia was hardbussing looker is there, but i think a bunch of other things are more likely

[UltimatePlank]

im a vanilla townie

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and tbh i'd vote wake over alimdia if that was a thing

[UltimatePlank]

someone is gonna have to try REALLY fucking hard to convince me wimpy's replace out was scum

[UltimatePlank]

please re-read day1

tell me that you honestly think wimpy is scum because i don't see it

[UltimatePlank]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

You posted this at ~4AM, I was asleep, bite my big toe

Also wake does not get to decide we're mass claiming

Also also Wake Jailkept his scumread and his very next post was feigned confusion over a No kill, even though the most natural town-conclusion would be that he blocked it, ergo he lies

VOTE: Wake88

thing is

this post makes more sense to me than that elbirn is scum

but i think it might be overzealous and we aren't making progress in our consensus here. i don't like that Wake initially had a lynch pool of 'vorkuta/salad/elements/saudade/saladman' but now he's switched to elbirn suddenly

what happened to the other 2 wake and why is elbirn suddenly not just suspicious, but your strongest scumread?

does saladman/elements' play not bother you more? what reason do you have to scumread elbirn over those 2?

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oh yeah wtf, Zote has flown right under my radar

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i just finished work and im exhausted, worked all weekend and it was super busy. gonna get back to this game soon. i dont have the energy right now.

my gut response is that there's probably a better wagon than wake

[UltimatePlank]

That's the thing though, everyone's been equally scummy.

wot

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Saladman can you give me a reads list pls

[UltimatePlank]

in fact i don't think saladman has provided an actual read all game

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oh right he's only provided town reads and never actually scumreads anyone apparently

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BUT hes okay with quickhammering on looker when his lynch looked inevitable, however he voted anyone BUT looker beforehand on day1

i think people actually need to reread day1

[UltimatePlank]

that includes you Eve.

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id rather see you give thoughts on saladman wake, rather than just be 'open to voting him'

why?

any reason beyond the fact that it's...not you?

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full catchup isn't necessary, day1 is in this game fmpov

idk, i really am struggling to decide on who's scum here. i feel lile i have way too many viable lynches for what's meant to be 1 scum left only

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the only other townread i have from beyond day1 is profii, who i'm sure is town alongside alimdia/elbirn

wimpy replace out never gets less town no matter how i re-read it, profii is conftown and alimdia is my only actual townread based on play

i wanna say that eve's obstinance is probably more likely to be town than anything saladman has done tho

[UltimatePlank]

i think a skimread of the hotly contested isos is fine

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my issue with that is that i think the alim/elbirn paranoia is like the last thing we worry about. there's better players to lynch than them

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Im never voting alimdia over eve and im fairly sure multiple people are in the same boat, gonna need a new direction eve

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why in the everloving fuck are we voting elbirn

stop voting elbirn

VOTE: Saladman

this is a better wagon

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honestly, i don't know that it's impossible to have two N3 PRs

i don't want to vote based on paranoid conspiracies that "person who hard pushed looker is scum in a 2scum game" until we've actually gotten through figuring out the people who _DIDN'T_ vote looker

yes?

[UltimatePlank]

because of what happened in this game

[UltimatePlank]

If you want to figure out the people not voting looker why did you vote salad

wait what

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oh wow i thought Zote hammered Looker

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wait no, i re-read day1 and saladman only voted Looker right at the end when it was seemingly inevitable

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I’ll hammer, I guess. I mean who needs a claim when you can have a flip?
VOTE: Look

this was the only point that Salad voted Looker, the rest of the day prior his votes were either myself, Wake, or Saudade but he never really said much about why and totally avoided having an opinion about the Looker wagon

[UltimatePlank]

Yeah that's cool and all but is Saladman27 "smart" enough to no kill the first 3 nights just to fuck with us?

This killed me

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Honestly this game is driving me nuts

I thought it was gonna be over and if we lynch Salad i really hope he's scum because I'm struggling to really scumread anyone else at this point of the game

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And yes Ali I see Eve's response. I have the day off work tomorrow and i hope to get a better handle on this game by then.

I'm actually kinda townreading Eve rn, will explain tomorrow

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VOTE: salad
ill help you out

I have so many feelings about this post

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sigh

i actually just don't know who the last scum is at all rn

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the best associative tells say saladman.

if it's not saladman, then genuinely idk but i guess i have to then entertain the possibility i'm wrong about Eve or Wake.

well i guess there's always Elements too.

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i really dislike Elements interactions with me and I feel like they should be more paranoid about me, right?

they were scumreading me earlier in the game, it's apparently changed and they're trying to help me. maybe because i don't feel lynchable to them anymore?

how much of this is just paranoia

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@wake did you just pull that out of your ass or what?

less on the fence about elbirn? echoing your sentiments?

chronological order isn't an opinion btw

ive read day1 3 times now and wimpy's replace out never looks scummy. its the most obvtown thing in the game. have multiple times mentioned that i dont see alimdia hardbus potential as relevant because i townread his play on top of his looker push. if someone was bussing looker, it wasnt alimdia.

idk man, your slot is kinda wearing thin for me. i think salad is the last scum, but i thought saudade was the last scum yesterday too. theres a lot of slots in this game that make sense as scum, and very few slots doing things that i actually townread simultaneously

eve is a good replace in though and im slight townreading them.

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I'd love to say that not rereading is scummy but for all the times I've seen this happen, it's probably more to do with whether the player can be bothered or not and I don't think that's alignment indicative.

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oh did we lynch salad

hopefully this is gg

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I think we massclaim and potentially nolynch today

Tomorrow is mylo potential if we lynch now from a pool of 6

If we nolynch today, we lynch from.pool.of 5 and then it puts us at a lylo of 3 people.

Basically either way we need to get one correct lynch for town to win, but we're statistically better off nolynching today.

1/4 and then 1/2 odds compared to 1/5 and 1/3 (at Mylo)

Or we can nolynch tomorrow, but it doesn't really make senae to not take better odds today also

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I'm thinking we should start here.

VOTE: profii

i dont

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i'm pretty sure elements is the last scum

no one has those fucking reads at this stage of the game

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honestly, by play: why is elbirn scummier than elements or wake?

alimdia was probably the N1 target: BP

we then had 2 nights of no kill, but they can't have been alimdia because he'd be dead by then

so alimdia was N1 target, and then not targeted at all until last night - why?

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i think profii is just town here

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i think scum!wake probably makes different kill decisions than what's been apparent in this game

man his claim is wack though

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er, i guess alimdia really wanted an eve lynch

okay. ppl read how stubborn eve is about re-reading. to me, it seems townier than anything elements has done, yes? no?

opinions pls

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i don't rly wanna get into the wifom of 'scum kill alim to frame eve' etc. etc.

because i kinda townread eve

reason being: everyone has posted rn, none are pressuring eve. so if that was the scum play, it'd be apparent already.

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nah fuck it, the wifom train stops at eve being likely town imo

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ok pls pls

everyone try to PoE

we lynch by consensus OR we nolynch today

ive been trying to stay alive until the game is solved but i am thinking im likely dead tonight regardless, so i rly think we should start to PoE rn _BEFORE_ we get to lylo/mylo (regardless of whether we NL today, which we should btw)

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we should be narrowing it down to top2 because we most likely only have 2 lynches

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i guess early day thoughts make it likely that Zote slot was likely to try and kill profii, fwiw

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im gonna say that, my only real reasons for townreading that entire slot is basically eve being stubborn about re-reading

it's slimmer than the reasons i have for townreading other slots.

if i had to pick a lynchpool of 2 people, it'd be elements and eve.

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I'm in for a no lynch

Is that optimal play in this situation?

statistically yes

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well if anyone actually could, we would have solved the game by now, that is basically the point of us being here - give us your best guesses man

You - you're not cleared by my Loyal N3 JK ability, because if you were Scum literally nothing would happen.

Eve - plays at being a dumb noob but I don't buy it. Forgot already who the replacement was. Zote? If Zote he didn't do squat.

Plank - something tells me he's just too smooth and blending in for my liking. His activity level, like yours profii kind of makes me more comfortable, but then again Scum can be busy too.

Elbirn - should NOT be given a pass from the Wimpy wimp-out. His sudden turn against me in complete contrast to his earlier posts disturbs me.

Elements - I can't fucking tell with this guy.

why don't you see if you can townread people instead of trying to scumread them

because i don't think every single player currently alive in this game is devoid of a track record of decent and hard to fake town play

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like honestly wake, this is getting beyond ridiculous if you're actually town

prior to this current day, alimdia + saladman were both alive: and you had reasons for scumreading both of them too?

you quite legitimately failed to townread any player out of 7 in the entire game? bruh...

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anyway i'm going to bed now

i hope to wake up to some kind of progress toward a PoE lynch, or toward a nolynch decision

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It could be Eve, Elbirn, profii, or Plank. Fuck, it could be Elements too.

Who here thinks I'm Town and thinks Scum deliberately killed alimdia to doubt-cast my claim?

Wake literally listed every player in the game as "possibly scum".

How many times will I have to point out that wake has no reads and is very transparently keeping his lynch options open because he is scum?

would he really be this blatant?

idk this is just so dumb if he actually quickhammers and also plays like this and is scum

too dumb to be scum is a real bad meme though

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doesn't it make sense to nolynch tomorrow rather than today?

actually it makes sense to do it now because we get two lynches with a smaller pool rather than 1 with a smaller pool

UNVOTE: Elements

ya, that's why i wanted a NL today

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i only truly have one scumread in the game rn because i have at least some slight reason for a TR on everyone in the game that isn't elements

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like honestly wake, this is getting beyond ridiculous if you're actually town

prior to this current day, alimdia + saladman were both alive: and you had reasons for scumreading both of them too?

you quite legitimately failed to townread any player out of 7 in the entire game? bruh...

You do realize I'm part of the uninformed majority, right?

but are you though?

because the uninformed majority typically still have reads and thoughts that extend beyond, "well anyone in this game could be scum"

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has wake even townread anyone at all this game?

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statistically the best option

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im happy to vote nolynch whenever we feel the day is as sorted as it can be

if i die tonight i want elements lynched first, and then honestly idk. you should definitely not lynch profii or elbirn though. if elements is not scum the last must be in eve/wake fmpov

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I just finished 6 days of work in a row and I have my work xmas party tonight...so I'll post again in a couple days most likely pending speed of recovery.

Why does hypothetical scum wake kill profii there though?

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okay so nothing else to catch up on

profii NK makes me skeptical of wake being scum tbh, even though NK is big wifom: it has little benefit for wake in any of the scenarios, and he wasn't in a position to make bad NK plays as a likely lynch today.

unless he just screwed up, then okay sure

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okay so nothing else to catch up on

profii NK makes me skeptical of wake being scum tbh, even though NK is big wifom: it has little benefit for wake in any of the scenarios, and he wasn't in a position to make bad NK plays as a likely lynch today.

unless he just screwed up, then okay sure

Who else do you shoot as scum? Profi seems like the best kill from uhh anyones perspective

maybe?

idk, why does wake kill them there?

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sorry im in the middle of christmas madness right now

i think we should lynch elements and gg

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ill be here before EOD again

yeah i do agree that looks bad wake. is your preferred lynch eve then?

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and yeah i had a mad 3 days and still have more to do, not until later today though

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oh what the hell

VOTE: Elements

game has gone long enough

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interesting

regardless could you put your votes down before the deadline?

Pedit: nice timing

i mean on the off chance elements doesnt flip scum id wanna know what wake actually thinks, in case he or you die.

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I've already claimed VT a while ago

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wake can you tell me why i shouldn't scumread you here

i feel like i know what eve's about to say ngl

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wake is very likely town after that flip

Plank you were very strongly of the opinion that Wake was town after the Looker scumflip

but why? just because Wake parked his vote there and didn't move while not really saying anything? and what happened to that read now?

it was mostly to do with wagon assessment: looker flipped scum, so i look at who the counter-wagon was: wake

it looked very much like wake should be town there.

honestly, if i went back and read only day1 of this game i'd be voting you in this lylo eve

also, the fact is that a lot of the anti-looker wagon actually flipped town. the possibility that we actually just hit two scum on two d1 wagons is there. i just never count that as being what's occurred because it's statistically very unlikely and also practically never happens either

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the rest of this game on the other hand, looks a lot worse for wake than it does for you

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wake being prodded also is l0l

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it's not implausible, but that doesn't mean it's likely

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why are we pretending that claims in lylo are something relevant to the game anyway

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lol

being inactive all game and then active in lylo

okay wake

you went to the game in lylo because he "pissed you off" and not because you thought he was scum? er, righto

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VOTE: Wake88

fakest shit ever

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i will end day7 the way that day1 should have ended

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i've been pretty transparently town and it's pretty funny to watch you have like zero opinions all game and then suddenly have an opinion in lylo

bitch about the direction of the game all game, while not doing anything to help it

get to lylo, suddenly pretend like you're actually invested in this game

plz

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If you're Town and vote me we lose.

I'd rather you and Plank cross-vote. That way you'd find out very quick if I'm Town or Scum.

I AM Town.

lmfao are u real

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lol

being inactive all game and then active in lylo

okay wake

you went to the game in lylo because he "pissed you off" and not because you thought he was scum? er, righto

VOTE: Wake88

fakest shit ever

i will end day7 the way that day1 should have ended

You need to unvote now.

If Eve is Scum and she votes me right now, we

lose

.

why are you saying this as if you know my alignment though?

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and if you're scum there's no problem

i also cannot see myself voting eve in this lylo

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lmao there's no way i can be fucked going back through the game and highlighting all the times i tried to push the game towards a good decision for town, or even made this game harder on scum by getting agreement to no-lynch

a thing you were reluctant to do btw, but then capitulated when it grew in popularity.

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it's pretty funny how your suspicion of zote slot is suddenly non-apparent today wake, because getting Eve lynched seems off the table

this is why i was not wanting to influence the direction of this lylo btw, because there's a lot of sketchy shit i wanted to form an opinion of before i laid my vote down

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Looker: scummy, can't quite put my finger on why, prob gut and post #272 as well as the other posts being fluff

Trash, also known as unsubstantiated garbage.

Right now I think Saudade is town. I don't much care for his minimalistic posting style, but he seems to want to progress the game along and get us away from the pointless discussion that has clogged the past few pages.

I don't see this. Can you point me to a post where he was progressing the game as opposed to spamming the thread? I'm trying to determine whether my distrust of him is based on alignment or personality.

Okay, you guys stop it now and move on.
The last 10 pages of content are literally useless (well almost, its only use is for townreading wimpy but thats very narrow)

WHERE ARE THE OTHER PEOPLE

Also you are spending so much energy arguing with wimpy but it doesnt bring us an inch closer to our goal, so, again, vorkuta!!! Focus child

Its not about who is right in this argument its about making sure we lynch scum d1 and then do it again tomorrow

Whether or not he's successful in progressing the game along remains to be seen, but the point is that there an attempt/desire to move the game past the shenanigans of the previous pages. I don't think these wretched scum would make these posts.

I reluctantly concede.
UNVOTE:
I just really wanted him to be scum so that we could lynch him and cut the page count moving forward in half. I'm sorry for my selfishness.

Precept Twenty-Three: Identify the Foes Weak Point. Every foe you encounter has a weak point, such as a crack in their shell

or being asleep

. You must constantly be alert and scrutinising your enemy to detect their weakness!

This made me smile and laugh out loud.

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I haven't read Wake yet, but I will. I do remember enough to understand the irony of this situation, though.

Can't put my finger on it, but this post makes me think it could be Zote as the partner.

where'd this go Wake?

did you conveniently forget about this?

hard to keep track of the game when you're just making up bullshit hey

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you thought zote slot (eve) was the partner

but voted elements to 'get them out of your way'

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it sounds like wifom to me

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i mean tbh snippets like that post about zote were the thing that made me think yeah okay maybe you're just low activity town

lol, i actually consider day1 the most informative day to re-read in games and shitty activity and low effort on day1 to be the most infuriating annoying thing

lylo's a bigger crapshoot than any day1 will ever be, everything is basically wifom and the game is won or lost on a coin-toss. i consider basically fuckall said in lylo to hold any-meaning

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i don't think scum can emulate it over a game that goes to 3p lylo

if a game gets to 3p lylo it's always just a bunch of contentious slots, like this

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man why are we discussing abstract mafia theory in a fucking lylo

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anyway i need to nap

im not unvoting, im thoroughly exhausted of this game and win or lose i dont want to prolong it any further.

if im wrong well gg whatever

again no idea why tf these are things that you suddenly want to discuss at the point of lylo when it's fucking meaningless instead of having these conversations on earlier days?

and yes, this whole game has had a lack of associative tells, nice of you to suddenly have thoughts about the game when it's basically too late to help? real cool i guess? dunno what you even want me to say at this point

where was this wake on previous days and how do you expect me to give you a pass for doing none of this during the actual important parts of the game?

insanity

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like

why are you cooperative with me ONLY in lylo when under pressure all of a sudden if you're town?

the rest of the game you're barely interested in working with anyone

from a town POV the game is always hanging in the balance and i can't even see a world where this makes any sense as town. i'm trying really hard to figure out if this is one of those things where you're a town player who just does completely irrational and illogical shit because no real reason

but it's veryfuckinghard to tell because even the most...'unique' players tend to have some kind of twisted logic behind their play that they think is helping the game.

wtf have u even done

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UNVOTE: Wake88

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okay

tell me how you have approached this game with a town mindset

im gonna take a nap, and then when i wake up ill read it.

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VOTE: Eve

gg

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sorry

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yeah

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the town was sort of divided down the middle and i wanted to make that dynamic more pronounced. what i didn't count on was alimdia pushing Looker so hard. even with others not supporting it, i was kind of stuck in the alimdia block and it would have been way too hard to get out of it.

in a way it worked out okay but, i didn't mean for it to become a bus like that.

also huge credit to Looker who was active and played admirably to the end. i felt bad about the bus and really wanted to win. i think their perseverance was admirable

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hilariously enough, i actually made this account because i was sick of being night 1 NK every time i roll town on my main account

i wanted to see if i could get away from my 'town reputation' and ended up rolling scum first game smh

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i kinda wanna keep it a secret because i want to maybe kinda used this account for its original purpose and not be reputation-NK'd every time i roll town

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That was rough. Sorry to leave you hanging.

sorry to get you hung