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Damnit DGB. First you go on vacation and then you take my funny vote for chamber away?
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I'd rather see posts from those that haven't made it into the game yet, elias, IH, and chamber. Nice reference to nailing MBL's scumbuddies, I'm sure that helped us fight the good fight since we've got three players that get to stare that right in the face as they think about their posts.
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It's okay, we've all been wrong before, much like you are wrong now. I'm simply saying that the three remaining players that haven't posted are now aware that people are looking for connections between MBLscum and scumbuddies. To Ether, I was assuming MBL has scumbuddies for the purpose of DGB's post, where she basically said she wanted to keep MBL alive so he could help us nail his scumbuddies.MrBuddyLee wrote:Really, bluesoul? I could have sworn you were referring to three scum having to be cautious.Ifhe is scum, then that just threw up a red flag to elias, chamber, and IH, the three players that haven't yet posted. If one of them were scum, they're more keenly aware of a connection with MBL than they may have been if the comment had gone unsaid.
To be fair, I've never played with DGB, maybe this is how she acts, but I'd have rather it had gone unsaid. Ah well, we'll keep playing.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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EBWODP: More to the point, the three that haven't posted are more keenly aware of an MBL connectionright out of the gate, we don't get anything that hasn't been altered or skewed by the possibility of this connection.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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On my iPhone so this will be brief. No, I don't think MBL is scum, I think he's being needlessly contrary. Its sparked some discussion so its not all bad.
I agree with e_k, in all truth its not a huge issue but one that may have been advantageous later. it may yet work out as PJ noted.
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On a sarc-bluesoul connection, he was defending me by way of correcting a sizable lapse in common sense by MBL. Sarc and I are at the very least okay with each other out of game (scumchat, etc) so I assume he just understood what I was talking about and didnt like that I was getting called out on something that was a misunderstanding. Of course he may have some other reason, I'm not speaking for him so if sarc wants to explain it as well, I'm all for more discussion.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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VOTE COUNT NUMBER ONE
MBL: 3(Elvis Knits, PJ, Sarc
Bluesoul: 2(MBL, ether)
chamber: 1(DGB)
DGB: 1(bluesoul)
sarc: 1(OGML)
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This whole thing is getting blown a bit out of proportion. Yes, I did think it caused some "damage" in the town's effort to analyze players should MBL turn up scum. No, I never thought MBL was in real danger to get lynched that early (though note that he had 4 of 7 at the time, a sizable amount that early); the timing of an MBL lynch would be irrelevant in that regard. I've also added that I agree with you, on post 43, that it may even offer some help in the town's effort, but I don't think it would be as much help.petroleumjelly wrote:3.)I do, however, disagree with Bluesoul that any 'damage' was done by DGB's post. This was already alluded to in my own Post 42 (part 2).
My problem: I have a hard time in thinking that Bluesoulseriouslythought MBL was ever in danger of being lynched in an Invitational Game on page 2, and hence how he could take DGB's post to beserious. Even assuming his complaint ("the non-posters will know not to connect themselves with MBL now") against DGB to hold weight in a vacuum (which I find doubtful), it wouldonlyhold weightif and only ifthe non-postersalsobelieved that MBL was actually in some amount of peril and some sort of 'distancing' was even required.
Bluesoul's reaction and subsequent explanation (which also seems serious) does not seem to fit in to the realities of the situation, which strikes me as playful. Seeing as Bluesoul himself began the game playfully – and in fact still is doing so in a manner (see his response to chamber's vote on him) – I find it hard to think he would miss that same vibe in DGB's post, regardless of whether or not he has played with her (especially as her two posts prior to her MBL-post were also playful).
I don't see how me telling people to stop audibly looking for connections between the then vote leader and other players is scummy, i.e., worthy of voting me. Distancing isalwaysimportant as scum, it's the little hints and tells and slips that hint to an association that we typically go about finding scum. So why is the act of stopping people from stifling those leads anti-town?
I'd also like to hear more on DGB's thoughts on MBL, and whether she has serious thoughts on him or not.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Starting to wonder the same thing myself. Off to work, hoping to see a post by DGB when I next check in.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Please note this part of post 36.
Why are people having such a hard time with the thought that I was being hypothetical? I'm basing it on the assumption that MBL and one of the players that had not posted was scum. Certainly a possibility, so what's wrong with stating that DGB, assuming both conditions are met, may have hampered the town's efforts?bluesoul wrote:To Ether, I was assuming MBL has scumbuddies for the purpose of DGB's post, where she basically said she wanted to keep MBL alive so he could help us nail his scumbuddies.Ifhe is scum, then that just threw up a red flag to elias, chamber, and IH, the three players that haven't yet posted. If one of them were scum, they're more keenly aware of a connection with MBL than they may have been if the comment had gone unsaid.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Ad hom noted.DrippingGoofball wrote:Bluesouls seems to jump from extremes of helpfulness to historical records of kraplogick.
vote: bluesoul
MBL, even if your conclusion made more sense, it's still wrong. Until you accept that youareintentionally misconstruing my words.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Emphasis mine. Odd that you didn't make either point until this long after the original post.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Are you kwayzeee?bluesoul wrote:...so what's wrong with stating that DGB, assuming both conditions are met, may have hampered the town's efforts?
All I said, on top of page 2, and I paraphrase myself, was "OMG could it be that Sarcastro has found scum on page 1?" - then I expressed a humorous intent to vote MBL, but mostly,I reminded the players that he had 4 votes and 7 were needed to vote. I also added as a joke that I wasn't going to vote yet, to pin down MBL's buddies.
How this has been misconstrued as "hampering the town's efforts" is causing me to bang my head against the wall until it bleeds.
VOTE COUNT NUMBER FOUR
MBL: 2(Sarc, EK)
Bluesoul: 2(MBL, DGB)
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A 30% chance I'm scum, eh? So you know there's a 30/70 ratio? How would you know that if you were not part of the informed minority?
Either explain yourself, right now, or stand similarly exposed as scum (and hypocrite).ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Yes, I read that, and I didn't like it then either; defending yourself with a post that singlehandedly led to two votes on you for scummy play seems odd. If I'm misrepresenting, it's not people, it's misrepresenting you, because you're not makingDrippingGoofball wrote:
I did make that point, in mybluesoul wrote:
Emphasis mine. Odd that you didn't make either point until this long after the original post.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Are you kwayzeee?bluesoul wrote:...so what's wrong with stating that DGB, assuming both conditions are met, may have hampered the town's efforts?
All I said, on top of page 2, and I paraphrase myself, was "OMG could it be that Sarcastro has found scum on page 1?" - then I expressed a humorous intent to vote MBL, but mostly,I reminded the players that he had 4 votes and 7 were needed to vote. I also added as a joke that I wasn't going to vote yet, to pin down MBL's buddies.
How this has been misconstrued as "hampering the town's efforts" is causing me to bang my head against the wall until it bleeds.THIRDpost of the game, not only that, but in the post immediately following the post about MBL:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 19#1152419
Once again you are misrepresenting people.anysense, and somehow most of the town is fine with that. You expressed interest in voting him to 5 on post 27, and it's not until post 97 that we first hear "oh, I was only joking, I wouldn't really do it"? Then you have the nerve to accuse me of misrepresenting you.
a.) X has four votes, just so you guys know and don't quicklynch.
b.) X has four votes, and I'm thinking about putting him at 5 votes.
One of those is a "reminder of how many players were needed for a lynch, and how many votes had already been cast for MBL" (76), and one is what you did instead. I'm misrepresenting you? Really?
Talk sense or don't talk. Show me my alleged "kraplogick" (sic).
PS, "Are you kwayzeee?" doesn't fly with me. It's not cute, and doesn't make me want to unvote you any more.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Speaking of ignoring, explain your "30% scum" line from post 101.MrBuddyLee wrote:I badly want to vote Elias_the_thief and have a wagon waiting for him upon his return. His effort this weekend is utter fail, particularly considering he's only posting on weekends.
However, there's nothing to gain between now and Friday by voting him, so let's ignore him for a few days and THEN pounce.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Really? Let's see the math then. I want to see how your concrete 10% gets support from concrete facts. You're appealing to logic where none exists. Why is it 10 percent? Why not 5 percent? Or 20? You call it a generality or an estimation now but that's not the tone you gave originally. Shall I read it back to you?MrBuddyLee wrote:There is weak hay being made about my "30%" remark:
I am dealing with generalities here. Obviously I can't peg the exact likelihood that someone is making an honest mistake or lying. I am estimating, which is something I do all the time to try and figure out how aggressively to attack something. There's no sense in pushing something repeatedly if there's only a 5% chance it's a reality.MBL wrote:I'm not intentionally misconstruing your words. There's a 30% chance that you're scum, and a 20% chance that you're scum telling the truth about your intentions there, and a 10% chance that you're scum who I caught in a slip-up and now you're lying about it to cover your ass.I did the rough math, figured there's a 10% chance bluesoul is lying scum on this topic, and decided it wasn't worth pressing beyond what we've already covered.chamber wrote:If you intend to use math at least support it, pulling numbers out of your ass that you have no way of supporting isn't cool.bluesoul wrote:Speaking of ignoring, explain your "30% scum" line from post 101.
If there are 3 scum, that's 27% of you. 4 scum = 37% of you. I don't really see any other number of scum as likely in an invitational, which will likely be a pretty standard/bland setup. Do you really think my assumption is most likely explained by inside information on the setup, bluesoul? Or are you just making hay? I think we're past the point where statements like Sarc's and DGB's early "we've caught scum" are amusing.bluesoul wrote:A 30% chance I'm scum, eh? So you know there's a 30/70 ratio? How would you know that if you were not part of the informed minority? Either explain yourself, right now, or stand similarly exposed as scum.
Now, I have no choice but to believe that you came up with 30% due to inside information while you maintain that I, through inside information, came up with three scum players and not the three players I mentioned in the previous sentence you conveniently omitted in your attack.MBL wrote:There's a 30% chance that you're scum, and a 20% chance that you're scum telling the truth about your intentions there, and a 10% chance that you're scum who I caught in a slip-up and now you're lying about it to cover your ass.
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Which, by necessity, would make me scum. How else would I know you were not scum. Again you appeal to logic that isn't there.MrBuddyLee wrote:And I didn't say you had inside information that there were exactly three scum players--I said that if anything, you have inside information thatI'm not scumand therefore there are threeish non-MBL players who are scum.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Yes, it's crazy isn't it? My vote and his vote make just as much sense.
On a more serious note, he is still trying to clear himself through bona fide nonsense. I want to hear his explanation regarding 121.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Let me try this one more time. Your failure to correctly read my statement does not make you town. Have you noticed yet that you're theMrBuddyLee wrote:That was the point of my post, bluesoul.. I thought I noticed a subtlety in your wording that indicated you might be scum:
* You know I'm not scum
* You are pretending not to be scum
* You slip and say there are three other players besides me that are scum, when if I'm actually scum, you should have only been worried abouttwoothers, not three
* Therefore, your "pretending" got you in trouble
Again, I'm not saying this is actually what happened. I'm saying it's a possibility. And it's weird that you're putting all your eggs in this counterattack when it's such a weak one. Are you really, really sold on the idea that I'm scum at this point?onlyperson that believes the above bullet points? Everyone else read it properly and didn't have a problem with me naming three players and then, immediately after, in the sentence which you omitted, stating the words "three players"; they may have had a problem with me stating that DBG's post was anti-town (though I believe it was careless instead of deliberate). Which is fine, they don't have to think it did. Hell,Idon't even think it caused enough damage to merit the amount of BS that's piled up since.
This is not an attack, it's a more aggressive defense of myself because you are being a little too smug. You say I'm pressing the issue while you won't shut up about it. You've said I'm caught, you've said I'm stretching, you've said I'm in trouble, you've called me lying scum (by a 10% chance this time, ignoring the fact that that holds true for, uh, everyone else playing), all within the past 25 posts.
Did I mention I was speaking in hypothetical terms? Yes, I did. Several times. Whether you believe otherwise is your problem.
Doesn't sound like it, see below.MBL wrote:And I'm not trying to clear myself, I'm trying to find scum.
Actually, let's go over this one more time and maybe you'll see the inherent absurdity of the logic of your bullet points.MBL wrote:And I didn't say you had inside information that there were exactly three scum players--I said that if anything, you have inside information thatI'm not scumand therefore there are threeish non-MBL players who are scum.
Okay, so let's count scum.bluesoul wrote:I'd rather see posts from those that haven't made it into the game yet, elias, IH, and chamber. Nice reference to nailing MBL's scumbuddies, I'm sure that helped us fight the good fight since we've got three players that get to stare that right in the face as they think about their posts.
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1.) You. Your first point is absolutely incorrect. By your logic I would know youwerescum. Actually this is eye-catching as I re-read it.
The bolded part is necessarily true in your hypothesis, I did say "MBL's scumbuddies" did I not? Or are you planning on omitting that as well? If youMBL 124 points 1 and 3 wrote:* You know I'm not scum
*You slip and say there are three other players besides me that are scum,when if I'm actually scum, you should have only been worried abouttwoothers, not threeweretown, why would I tell my scumbuddies to avoid connection with you? The unbolded part is simply illogical, again without knowing inside information as to the game setup.
2.) Me (by necessity of your 2nd bullet point)
3.) Non-MBL Player 1
4.) Non-MBL Player 2
5.) Non-MBL Player 3
Five aligned scum in a twelve player game? We're at lynch or lose on Day 1 then. Yes, five and not four. Why would I warn myself? IH made this same point in 110. If your little fantasy scenario was true or even something close to it, wouldn't it say something like "two people" or "two other people"? Hell, even if you don't buy that, four aligned scum is pretty damn high for what would be a fairly bland setup (especially considering we're both scum!). Why wouldn't it be three and one, the logical assumption for a 12-man game? Even if, for the sake of going completely off-base, youwerethe one (the SK), why would I warn my scumbuddies to avoid making connections with the Serial Killer? They wouldn't be any worse for the wear, but it wouldn't matter because to all intents and purposes we would have to think you're town, even better.
Oh, and neither one of us would have any reason to bus the other so hard on Day 1.
The above "five aligned scum" paragraph is speaking in hypothetical terms. Try not to omit this sentence, if you can, please.
This.Patrick, 122 wrote:I still think bluesoul's comment is being overanalysed, and I find his assertion that he was being hypothetical to be believable.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I've had time to cool down a bit, I apologize for the harsh tone but I'm getting tired of arguing about this.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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The two statements were separate, upon re-reading it I'll agree it doesn't read very clearly. The first part, "Yes, I read that, and I didn't like it then either," was in regards to the post in general, and you agreed with me on that (or, at least, used it as a basis for a vote). I will concede that calling it a "defense" was unfair on my part as she wouldn't really have anything else to point to. However, that statement aside, what do you think of the rest of 106? DGB states in 97 that the purpose of 27 was to give players a vote count on MBL, and I feel that there has to be something more behind it, or she wouldn't have worded it the way she did.petroleumjelly wrote:3.)I don't much like Post 109 from Bluesoul. Here's a rundown of what I'm reading there:
That just seems really backwards. DGB wasn't "defending", she was simply pointing out that she had, in fact, already explained her post. If I'm not characterizing this correctly, please correct me.Paraphrased Argument wrote:Bluesoul: DGB, why did you wait so long to explain your post?
DGB:I didn't wait that long. Check Post 76.
Bluesoul:But after Post 76, you got two votes. Why, then, would you use that post as a defense?
DGB's playstyle thus far has just really thrown me off. Post 1 was random, 2 was the one that started all this mess. Again, I don't see it as inherently scummy, I thought it was simply careless. Her posts 3, 4, and 5 all have this ingratiating vibe that's coming across as mildly scummy, then 6 through 9 contain attacks on me with no explanation behind them.
To work, then.
Unvote, vote DGB
Right now I see MBL as more likely town that believes he's found scum, than scum trying to run a player up; I don't think scum would push so hard so early over such a small point of contention, however his reputation proceeds him so I'm not discounting the possibility altogether. I don't like his use of numbers on me when they could be applied to anyone else playing, though they somehow are used to make me look scummier. Not cool.
I accept this, I read his post to PJ as a joke prior to people pointing it out as "connection fodder".Sarcastro, 132 wrote:Oh, and for the record, I don't have any connection with Bluesoul. All I did was make make one common-sense explanation of Bluesoul's post. I'm not sure I even knew what PJ's post was about when I said he was trying to blind us with logic. It was a joke."Stop blinding us with logic" sounds like "Please stop being so awesome".Ew, except that wasn't how he worded it. He said "PJ, please stop trying to blind us with logic." which is a little more aggressive. Sarc, if you would, explain why you chose to say that if it was a joke. I guess I'm saying just explain it a little more fully so I see where you're coming from. It was in regards to 58, which sounded like a typical PJ post to me.
Pre-post edit: One more point of clarification. I believe the "MBL's scumbuddies" bit in 27 was simply careless. I think her argument in 97 that she said she was "considering putting a fifth vote on him" simply as a way to let people know the vote count on MBL doesn't stand up to scrutiny, since there are plenty of other ways to let people know the vote count without adding that you're considering adding to the wagon. So 27 was fine, but her support of it in 97 was less so.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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The latter is why I'm still discussing it. If you're agreed, by all means let's stop talking about it. I'm bored with it.MrBuddyLee wrote:Actually, I tried to put the issue to bed. You necroed it, but it's fine if you're town and don't think you came off as clean as you should have.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Let me try and do those in order.
Patrick's effort so far has been mediocre going on decent. Hedidopen a line of discussion with e_k that would've otherwise gone more-or-less unnoticed. Other than that there hasn't been a tremendous amount of substance to his posts. It's mostly questions without contributions. There's been a fair amount of that on MS lately so maybe he doesn't realize he's doing it, but I'd like to see him be a little bit more open in discussion, as it helps the town get information about you as well as the person you're questioning.
PJ has been the PJ I'm used to, I think I've played with him more than anyone out of this playgroup. He's made good points, with good support, and hasn't backed down from asking more direct questions. Of course none of those make him town, but his contributions so far have been good, in my opinion.
IH has only had one real post of substance, which is fine since he was on vacation. However in that post he made good points on both sides of the previous argument. So, I'd like to see more posts from him as that one was a post of quality.
Chamber and I know each other pretty well. He was a little late getting here but with the delay it was understandable. Chamber makes contributions a little differently than most players in that he rarely makes walls of text like our 129 and 134. Where 129 and 134 would maybe be analogous to a right cross, going for the knockout, chamber is content with sitting back and jabbing. They both do the job, he'll make small statements and ask an occasional question. It's his playstyle so his contributions are about what I've expected so far.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I actually went back and looked over all my games and we didn't play as much as I thought. I started on the GL and I read a lot of games that you were in, that must have been why I had a feel for your playstyle. If we're counting scumchat it would be you, if we're also counting #mafia it would be chamber by far.petroleumjelly wrote:3.)Bluesoul, how many games have we played together? Are you counting scumchat games for this?
Post-preview sarnath edit: IH, My MBL vote was primarily a method of showing my discontent with him, his clinging to his view of the "three players" post was irritating me and I wanted to articulate as such. We've agreed to disagree. DGB never dropped off my radar as being the scummiest player but my vote had a little bit more use in that time and place on MBL.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Pretty much, yeah. I'd like to hear an explanation too, though, or I'm gonna go ahead and disregard his vote.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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What? What else am I supposed to say? Not gonna defend myself when I don't know what I'm supposed to be defending, and the voter is too lazy to provide an explanation. If you see what he's getting at, and why I appear more scummy than you out of the two quotes, please let me know. Chamber would probably appreciate it too.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Yeah, I realize that, it's why I was hoping it would irritate you enough to elaborate. Same with disregarding your vote. But if all you're going to say is cases are pro scum then of course I'm not going to take it as seriously as a vote with reasoning behind it.chamber wrote:
I actually very much dislike people talking for me, and my lack of explanation has nothing to do with being lazy. Cases are pro scum damnit.bluesoul wrote:What? What else am I supposed to say? Not gonna defend myself when I don't know what I'm supposed to be defending, and the voter is too lazy to provide an explanation. If you see what he's getting at, and why I appear more scummy than you out of the two quotes, please let me know. Chamber would probably appreciate it too.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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It was said solely to spur him into explaining himself. Same with 169 where I volunteered to let others speak for him. He hates that and said so in 171. Not every post is going to be written laced with scum or towntells, and he's had other posts with content. I'm not going to be able to discern alignment anyway when all the post in question says is "I think you're right, vote bluesoul." Chamber votes for me a lot anyway (and vice-versa) so no, I'm never terribly surprised when he does it.Patrick wrote:Why disregard [the chamber vote]? Given what you've said about chamber's playstyle, how do you plan on discerning his alignment? This seems like an odd kind of threat to make.
Alright, you haven't been afraid thus far to go after faulty logic by people (PJ posts 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, and 13, out of 15). This is good, it let's us see your thought process while still making good points about the player in question. Patrick hasn't done this nearly as much (posts 2, 8, 9, 10, and arguably 12, out of 13), content instead to simply ask questions. Now, to be fair this conclusion mostly stemmed from a period earlier on in the game where he was "Actively lurking" for lack of a better term, skating along and seeming active without much content behind the posts. He's been doing better lately and I need to reassess him and his interactions entirely. Even with that I believe you've contributed more in the way of actual scumhunting than Patrick.PJ wrote:I get the feeling that both Patrick and I have about the same amount of commentary to questions asked ratio, but you seem to take a different stance on "question asking" for Patrick than you do on me. Could I have a little more detail on how you're differentiating between us?ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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That was...one of the most laughable and nonsensical set of groupings I've ever seen. My post 28 (the "three players" post) was helpful, but two of the posts that explain it are craplogic? Giving my opinion of a possible sarc-bluesoul connection is craplogic? I'm not even going to comment on the "'percentages" posts, they were used to show MBL he was being unreasonable and any other reading is taking them out of context. I guess you just flat don't like 109 because it hits too close to home. I don't evenDrippingGoofball wrote:For PJ:
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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 05#1148805
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 98#1156698
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 47#1156847
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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 14#1149214
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50#1151650
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 89#1153189
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 66#1153566
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 96#1153596
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 41#1153841
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 95#1154895
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 87#1154987
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 09#1155209
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 35#1156035
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 65#1158765
Your definition of Kraplogick may differ from mine. I've included red herrings.getwhy 151 is on the list.
Also, when you made the helpful/craplogic comment only 5 of those 15 posts existed, 2 helpful and 3 craplogic compared to a later 4 and 11 when you decided to grace us with a return after a five day absence. Gave you plenty of time to construct such a powerful case, right?
Right. MBL and I contrived and planned a random argument about percentages that was eventually refuted by the other party...when? At night? There hasn't been a night. And you say there's "no way the argument was about an actual scumtell"; then why are you using it to declare us scumbuddies? For that matter, why are you bringing it up at all? And we would have no reason to bus each other day 1 with no provocation and no prior suspicion. If you think it's "definitely a possiblity" you're out of your mind.DGB wrote:The scumbags no longer can claim Mason, that's for sure. That whole bit about percentages was a total red herring argument. There is no way this argument was about an actual scumtell, it seemed very contrived and planned. Bus'ing is definitely a possibility here.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I believe you're still voting him, is that all there is to it, is there any other scumtells you feel he's giving off, or do you simply not see anyone else as scummier?MrBuddyLee wrote:I'm getting modest "trying to look involved but not really scumhunting" vibes off of PJ.
Also what are your thoughts on 185?ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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You're naming me a top suspect and you haven't made it past page 5? Hold off on that kind of stuff until you've made it to present. That was almost a week ago, it may surprise you but a lot has occured since then.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I don't really like the way you took this, that's reaching and you know it; you obviously didn't think enough of it to vote me, because you voted DGB immediately thereafter. So what are you hoping to accomplish? If you really think that I know that scum can/can't talk during pre-game, meaning you think MBL and I are both scum, meaning MBL and I decided to talk about percentages and stuff and irritate the shit out of everyone...vote me. I'm not gonna defend that.Sarcastro wrote:
How do you know whether or not the scum were allowed to talk before the game started?bluesoul wrote: Right. MBL and I contrived and planned a random argument about percentages that was eventually refuted by the other party...when? At night? There hasn't been a night.
OGML, please explain what it is that you expected to me to comment on and why not commenting on it makes me scum.
Anyway, DGB is scum.
Unvote, Vote: DrippingGoofballShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Sarc: 201 says everything I'm going to say on the subject. Not adding anything further to the discussion.
Patrick: :goodposting: but I have a question for you, you haven't said much about Ether aside from fairly early in the game when you said it seemed like a genuine attempt to start the game off. Is that all or is there more you like? Explain why you feel she's a good town read (as I don't have much of a read on her either way and another perspective would be good).
Oh! Something else while I'm thinking about it. "Mediocre going on decent" originally said "decent", but I did a re-read on the fly and didn't like it as much as I thought I did, wanted to say mediocre but that was a bit harsh, and decent wasn't quite there either, so I used both. Wasn't trying to offend, sorry if you took it that way. The above post is a post of quality though.
Regarding 167, anyone else I would've been more suspicious but chamber does stuff like that a lot so I honestly wasn't sweating it. I was hoping threatening him with apathy might spur him into an explanation a bit quicker, sadly it did not. Of course I find it a little suspicious, I always do, but he does it consistently enough I don't see it as enough of a tell to pursue it. Hope that helps.
And I'm glad you said "alot of the attacks on him so far have seemed to be for strange reasons," I've been thinking that to myself for a while now. 196 is just the latest in posts that make me /headdesk and wonder why I'm apparently being so hard to understand.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Ad hom noted. At this point I want to say no just on the principle of it, but I don't really need any more BS. "Obviously I can't know that isn't the case. Sure, maybe they got to talk in pregame. I didn't think of that." Satisfied?
I tacked on the extra suppositions under the assumption that 1.) You were being rhetorical. 2.) You weren't just being a dick and making a statement/question so I can make an answer that's gonna look bad any way I say it. Apparently I was wrong.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Are you serious about a lurker lynch Day 1? Surely we can get a replacement.MrBuddyLee wrote:
Please show some respect for the other players in this game. Play hard or request replacement.Elias_the_thief wrote:I will try to keep up with the game on weekends and whenever else I might get a chance to.
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Note shea's insert to the top of the page, it explains a bit more on deadlines in this game.
278 ("Who has considered the possibility that I have a power role?") irritates me on several levels. For the sake of not being a snarky bastard I'm not going to list all of them, suffice it to say I'm content with my vote. A claim seems like the choice of wisdom as this day's getting kind of long in the tooth and there's math going on that we're not privy too, I don't want to get stuck with no lynch today.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Anyone that still wants to skate around a deadline we don't know the formula to and drag day one out at least another three weeks needs to get your head checked. Activitity is already in the crapper, I'm going to be very put out with the town if we end up with an accidental no lynch on the basis of some obscure "must have a read on everyone the very first day" principle.Thestatusquo wrote:Elias camp is over in 2.5 weeks. While I am really grumbling and upset by the situation, I think the best plan, as a mod, is to wait for him to be finished with it, provided he promises to step up his production on the weekends. I don't think wasting one of our replacements on a slot which will become fully productive in 2.5 weeks is in our best interests especially because at this point it looks like IH and OGML might at some point have to be replaced and PJ is known to have to be replaced at some point. Just sharing with you some mod thoughts. Feel free to PM me and disagree with them if you'd like
DGB still needs to claim.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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If she continues this act, and the alternative is a possible deadline with no lynch, absolutely. I'll admit it's a little bizarre but I'm not about to let her slide indefinitely on this; the longer we wait on a claim (which so far she has shown she has no inclination to do so), the more we risk the overall welfare of the town.chamber wrote:
We are more waiting on a dgb claim then anything else i think. Are you suggesting we lynch her with out letting her claim?bluesoul wrote:I think my point's been made. 12 hours and no new posts? Unacceptable.
Shea can be a bit of a bastard mod, if he says there's math going on to determine deadlines I believe him, I also believe it can be a pretty strict formula and I know he will not bend the rules if the activity is somewhat there but it still qualifies for this deadline. He loves rules, that's why he's using my ruleset.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I'm already voting for you. If you'd bothered to pay attention you'd have probably realized that several days ago.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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We're already at the point that Shea can choose a deadline, suspect nothing.
We really don't know. It's basketball without a shot clock; I'm suggesting we put up a shot. We have a quarter of the town AWOL, do you think that will increase or decrease the chance of getting deadlined? (<-- rhetorical)mod, 275 edit wrote:In addition I have a couple points of clarification on the deadline rule.
1) The initial three weeks is not a deadline, but rather a limit on when the mod can impose a deadline.
2) You will not know THAT a deadline has been imposed, in addition to the not knowing when which the rule actually states. I thought this was apparent from the spirit of the rule, but I guess not.
3) The deadline is not based on mod whimsy, there is a specific activity formula in the rules which will trigger a deadline.
Thanks,
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Suffice it to say I am concerned about the ability of the town to drag out day one another 3 weeks minimum (more like 4 or 5 with discussion) without getting hit with a deadline. If this doesn't bother you just a little bit, please try and look at the realities of the situation. We're already two days into the deadline-able period. Wecouldhave anywhere from minutes to weeks to come to a lynch or lack thereof. Do I think it's mere minutes away? Of course not, but that's sort of the point; we don'tknow, and what's wrong with lynching the scummiest-appearing player, with the largest wagon, in the face of a deadline? She's been given numerous opportunities to claim, she's rejected them so I'm not going to bother asking anymore. If I could hammer you, DGB, believe me when I say I would do so, with or without the blessing of the town. Your discouragement whether real or contrived, your refusal to claim, and your "lynch me and find out" attitude are just a few items on the list of things that bore me.
The town needs to stop with the scared, head in the sand, we can't do anything unless decided by everyone and signed in triplicate bullshit nonsense and make a play. If your vote is on someone and you haven't built a convincing case, you're suspect. Either make a case and push for a wagon or make with the DGB voting. In either case, do it quickly if you don't mind.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Unless she's scum and her lurking buddies see lurking as the optimal play versus bussing. They're staying mostly under the wagon, they're getting called out for lurking but we don't have a lurkerwagon at all; I wouldn't be sweating it too much either.MrBuddyLee wrote:ps: note, none of our lurkers have managed to sleaze their way over on to DGB. odd.. you'd think that if she's scum, a scum amongst the lurkers would have found a reason to make the safe, lazy play and get on her wagon by now.
I have bad feelings about Ether that will be reinforced should DGB turn up scum. I don't know if I could give an exact reason at the moment if asked, it's more vibes and interactions than anything solid. Either way I plan to do a full re-read Day Two with the death/deaths taken into account.
As an aside, I realize my activity has slowed down slightly, I'm working quite a bit during this last stretch of Back To School. I'm not gonna lie, I'm also consciously not posting as much; a lot of the arguments lately are a little silly to me and not really indicative of scum either way, but I don't really see any need to say that every day or so.
I am still concerned about the possibility of a deadline but I'm also pleased to see more activity, so some of my fears are alleviated for the moment.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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EBWODP: "under the wagon" in the first paragraph should be "under the radar", I just got back from 36 holes of disc golf and I'm a little heat strokey.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I agree with pretty much everything here. Thanks for such a thoughtful first post, PJ's activity was already good but hopefully that's the kick in the pants the town needed.pablito wrote:I really do'nt like the DGB votes MBL sequence. It's very irritating to see DGB like this at this point. But I'm really surprised at how early Ether throws out the possibility of Supersaint after the soft-claim. I'm dismayed that was her first possibility. What I got from DGB wasn't that if she's lynched that her role was better to see, I got that DGB was just being resistant to claim and was throwing out the possibility that we should tempt her and just plain lynch her because she's not giving clues. There's a specific function of that communication that has more to do with her defense than her actual role, in my opinion.
I question OMGL continuing the thought that there's a supersaint in DGB. I highly doubt that DGB is even suggesting supersaint and I'm not sure Ether was either, but OMGL is continuing it. I want the supersaint discussion to stop, and I hope it does by the time I finish this readthrough because this is too long a post. Nonetheless, I do agree that DGB should claim.
I hadn't really commented on it prior, but I know Shea pretty well; I absolutely would not put a role like Super-Saint past him, but it also wouldn't be my first choice for a possible DGB role either. "Lynch me and find out" in this context sounds more like lazy wagonee (or trapped scum that doesn't want to tip the scum's hand) than an attempt to bait a SS kill. This is day one, if DGB did in fact have a role along those lines, or claimed to have a role along those lines, then the town needs to be aware of that to set up the free kill. This isn't some motley crew, it's an Invitational game; no scum is going to hop on and hammer that blindly, especially not now that that's been said.
I realize that doesn't make a ton of sense, and that has a lot to do with DGB's continued refusal to claim. At this point I don't expect to see a miraculous turnabout and claim so I'll assume DGB is playing in an antitown fashion and thus will make as good a day one lynch as anything we've got.
I would like to clear up two things regarding pablito's 367 and some comments he made about me. They're both in the same paragraph, which I'll split up.
[quote="pablito, 367]I'm not sure where bluesoul is going with his attack on DGB. He really sounds like he's jumping on a wagon. I should also note at this point that I've been drinking, so the quality will begin to deteriorate. ... Nonetheless, we should also point to how bluesoul tries to deflect onto DGB. [/quote]
You should note I've been on DGB consistently all game, my vote on MBL was a demonstration of discontent and nothing else; if you think I really thought I had him trapped with his percentages post...well, that's not right lol. I think DGB has been the scummiest-seeming player all game, if you're going to call it jumping on a wagon I think that's overlooking the fact that I've been giving explanations for it for most of the game.
Actually I'm gonna split this last piece a little further.
[quote="pablito, 367]I don't know why bluesoul nor MBL are trying to get into the math. At this point, I'm going to say that bluesoul is at least becoming even more consistent. But really. Why even bother go that route? However, I have to really admire that bluesoul managed to agree to stop talking about it and entice MBL to move onward.[/quote]
MBL was more or less running me up, the whole hard case and then percentage counter-attack really were quite odd and if I weren't already on the defense I probably wouldn't have made an issue of it but there was a lot of nonsense flying about so a little more nonsense from my end managed to quiet it down. MBL can of course speak for himself but I think that we both realized our points had been made and we were prepared to agree to disagree on it, there was nothing further to really add and all it was serving to do is make us pissed off at each other. That said...
[quote="pablito, 367]But what really gets me is that MBL moves forward quickly with significant questioning whereas bluesoul mostly just wants to be done with being on the defense. Could be scummy on bluesoul's part, could be actual frustration. I think it could easily be frustration.[/quote]
I really did just want to be done with it; frustration's a pretty accurate term. I caught a lot of flak really early on in the game and I was tired of being on the defense, MBL's case was sort of running out so rather than leave it open for someone else to call out some minor point that was going to bring it back up for another incessant round, combined with the fact that I honestly did misunderstand MBL's later explanation of his percentages (meant to temporarily clear me rather than run me up by a bogus percentage), we simply agreed to stop talking about it. I've never done that before, I was honestly glad to see MBL be receptive to it. Really, at that point, all you're going to find is a poorly thought-out phrase or a few words spoken in heat to run someone up on, and that's really a bad way to find scum.
I think that's all I have for right now, I think I'm gonna re-read these last two pages as there's been some posting I haven't really understood lately.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I've gotta be misreading this. You can't forget...my random vote? Okay.pablito wrote:bluesoul, whether you have been consistent with attacking DGB or not, the context of you first voting DGB will always be stored for posterity. It's only something to note and I can't forget it.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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This has been my biggest issue with Ether thus far. If DGB is a SS, then Ether made an awful play; the SS has two uses during the day.MrBuddyLee wrote:Ether wrote:So why would you encourage DGB to claim supersaint, Ether?
1.) The SS goads the town into a lynch, and unwitting scum hammer, trading 1 for 1 and is a protown move by the SS.
2.) The SS, being wagoned to death, claims as such and let's the town lynch the second scummiest appearing player.
Both scenarios are only especially helpful in later days and given the circumstances today all bets are off. The first scenario is only helpful when the possibility of a SS has not been aired by the town or by the wagonee themself. Either way, Ether had absolutely no reason to bring it up; it's probably just personal experience, we used SS a LOT in #mafia and got a good feel for how to deal with it. Shea was also around during that time and the possibility of a Super-Saint is not lost on me, butIhaven't been begging DGB to claim it either.
MBL's 376 is right on; nightkilling is the main way to deal with an SS obviously. Thus, an SSlynchis the correct playifthe town has a second lynch in mind and wants to do both in one day. That doesn't appear to be the case at the moment, and given the snail's pace of the game we'd be deadlined before coming to a consensus on a 2nd lynch, imo.
Honestly the only reason I'd see to push that hard for an SS claim is Ether is scum and is warning her buddies not to rush into a lynch and possibly get killed. Also, the sentence "if she's scum, there's still no harm waiting on a supersaint claim" in 371 just slays me. I don't understand it, I find it unbelievably obtuse to essentially offer the scum a safe claim. Why do you want DGBscum to claim SS if she's not?
That said, DGB hasn't even posted in almost a week; there hasn't been anything of substance in over a week (anything even slightly more than "lynch me, bye"). I do not intend to let her defeated attitude keep us from making a lynch day one. She has been active in other games every single day since her last post here six days ago. And that's bullshit. Hell I'd rather lynch her than have Shea have to find another replacement.
If you guys are really worried about the SS possibility, and think there's scum on the DGB wagon, roll a dice and we'll have our hammer. Personally I'd like to see Ether hammer but dice would be fair and unswayable by scum.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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We would still need one more potential DGB-voter to do anything, e_k. At that point, I'm not sure if we want to do dice or just use you since you've volunteered; logic says use the dice but common sense says to use the volunteer. I think I want another opinion on this.Correct but not official Votecount wrote:DGB: 5 (Pabs, Bluesoul, sarc, ether, Patrick)
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I would see an explicit SS claim to actually be worse for the town than the scum, as no scumbag without a great deal of intestinal fortitude would even think about hammering once it's out in the open. Consequentially, the chances of losing two townies goes up and the chance of trading 1 for 1 goes down; believe it or not scum were much more apt to hammer than town and the SS becomes more powerful (and dangerous (swingy)) as the game progresses. That said, #mafia games were normally 7 to 10 players and were much more focused on making "percentage plays" than gut feelings. I feel that my proposal of using dice has merit as it removes a variable: Rhetoric by players, whether scum or town, to push for a certain player to be the hammer.Ether, 384 wrote: Tell me about your IRC experience, Bluesoul. Wouldn't an explicit supersaint claim be even worse for scum in those smaller chat games than in a 12-player mini?
Incidentally, what's your opinion of Elvis?
Actually, I'd like chamber's opinion on this along with 383. He's got as much or more experience with the Super-Saint as I do and he may have a solution to offer as well.
As for Elvis, last night I managed a full re-read of the game and elvis is now creeping up my scumdar a bit. A lot of that's been due to more recent posts as opposed to earlier in the day. Somewhere between an IGMEOY and a FOS, but not enough to convince me she's lynch worthy at the moment.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I'm tempted to wait for more discussion as the case for a hammer's developed pretty rapidly, but I also really want to say that you should vote and e_k should hammer now and just get it the hell over with. It's now been a week without any word from DGB and she continues to blithely play her other games.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I disagree and I think he would too.DrippingGoofball wrote:This is MBL we're talking about. He's playing a perfect townie game.
Fake edit: Didn't see page 18, glad elvis agrees with me on this.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I'm going to bed, tomorrow's going to be about as bad as it gets at work; I probably won't be able to give a full explanation until Wednesday but suffice it to say that DGB's play has been consistently scummy, Ether's been pretty ambivalent and elvis has only recently started appearing scummy, though not to the extent of DGB.
I want to hurry it along because we could be deadlined at any time; however, the activity is much better than it's been before. I still think we could talk until we're blue in the face and not get a damn thing done with this list of players so yes I was being a bit more forceful in pursuit of a lynch just to progress the game, and I think it's fair to say that that was no more than a day or two off too.
I'm a bit alarmed at the speed of Elvis's wagon, votes were placed in posts 401, 402, and 404 to go from 1 to 4. Granted, MBL was already starting to push that way, and one of them is DGB. Patrick's jumps out at me moreso than Ether's because Ether already admitted she was on the DGB wagon because it was more protown than fighting it. Patrick's vote occurred with precious little explanation behind it. That would be the first possibility of a pairing I've contemplated thus far in the game (DGB-Patrick). For the record, I donotgo actively looking for scum partners on Day One. Day 2 all bets are off though.
I need more time to read elvis's posts before committing a vote, I don't know how much I like DGB's attempts to tie every player in the game to e_k but what the hell, it's content.
Goodnight. Back Wednesday.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Yes, real life takes priority as it normally does. The e_k wagon built up more than I was really expecting and I don't know if I like that it went that readily from the former vote-leader pointing a finger. I think one of the other invitational games had the same scenario, mneme the vote-leader deflected to pooky, the wagon got back on mneme who was in fact lynched as scum. I'm not equating the playstyle but I am equating the scenario and I'm not sure when exactly DGB stopped being the best lynch for the day. I'm not going to fight this particular wagon but I am going to be inspecting it rather closely, along with the original DGB wagon.DrippingGoofball wrote:bluesoul has been keeping a low profile and has not posted since Aug 11.
FYI: Not volunteering to self-hammer isn't scummy. Just sayin'.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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I realize the above post has very little content, I'm behind on reading and will try to get caught up but being a grown-up sucks.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Neither were attacks, I'm not moving my vote at this point. I was considering it but no, you went from idiot to crybaby to a flash of possible insight to being back to revealing your true colors.
Again apparently I'm making things up, 518 looks pretty, uh, existent to me.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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Refusing to selfhammer isn't indicative of anything other than the refuser isn't a moron, so why bring it up at all unless you think it's telling of something?
And I was going to do my catching up with an e_k vote in mind. I'm still gonna catch up but unless I come to that vote of my own conclusions I'm keeping it on DGB. Nothing I've seen so far leads me to wanting to vote e_k but I've got about three pages to catch up on. Anyone can be made to look scummy when they're constantly on the defense, I would think everyone here knows that, and honestly the thought we're going to reason out a scum lynch day 1 is silly; PJ had it spot on with his "you can catch some good players, but you can't catch them all" statement.
Off to work, will check the thread at about 6:30.ShowThe Tooth Returns.
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