Mini Normal 2109 | Newbie Quotes II: Newb Boogaloo (Day 3)

[alimdia]

VOTE: Eth0s

Earliest person I know on the player list

[alimdia]

falalalal

I don't like alim's vote

lolwagons suck

lalalalaaaaa~~~

This wagon is

Joey say something interesting

Like soon

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Also page top suckers

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I'm pretty sure those were joke votes on you in order to get a reaction out of you.

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VOTE: jake
post

Lil Uzi Vert hasn’t posted yet either.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Opportunistic jump on the jake wagon me thinks.
Sausasaurus town read +1

I'm pretty sure those were joke votes on you in order to get a reaction out of you.

I wasn't joking. But I like his answer.

VOTE: Joey

You played a completed game with SausasaurusRex right? Did that factor into this?

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Pahahaha. No. We not lynching invis

He has 7 posts to your 2. And you're calling him out

Hahahhahahahaha

??? What's your problem mate. Number of posts doesn't matter in the context of what I said. I've had games where people fluff post a shitload but do absolutely jack all. For example, you have quite a lot of posts but a lot of them are fluff at the moment.

Invisibility voted for jake, saying 'post', when Lil Uzi Vert also hasn't posted. Opportunistic because he could have also voted Lil Uzi Vert to get them to post.
The 'Wagon' part was a bit of a joke, since there was only 2 votes I believe?

VOTE: jake
post

Lil Uzi Vert hasn’t posted yet either.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Opportunistic jump on the jake wagon me thinks.

what
how is this opportunistic at all

See above explanation.

[alimdia]

I'm saying you voting Jake was opportunistic because you could have voted Lil Uzi Vert for the same reason.
So either you didn't see that Lil also didn't post or you wanted to put another vote on Jake.

[alimdia]

I'm saying you voting Jake was opportunistic because you could have voted Lil Uzi Vert for the same reason.
So either you didn't see that Lil also didn't post or you wanted to put another vote on Jake.

I voted someone with a vote already on them because that applies more pressure to that specific person? why is that a bad thing?

It was just a contradiction since someone else did the same thing.
This isn't going anywhere

vote jake

And now you're just quicklynching. Why would you want a quicklynch?

This one the other hand......
This is looks like hard misrepping wtf?

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Sorry Invisibility, I made a big mistake. I didn't see that Dolly unvoted before you voted Jake, thus I backtrack the opportunistic argument.

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vote jake

And now you're just quicklynching. Why would you want a quicklynch?

So a call to vote someone isn't calling for people to actually vote them?

Asking people to vote someone or join the wagon is NOT quicklynching. Its lynching or wagoning but NOT quicklynching.

VOTE: Jake the Chihuahua

Yeah this is the lynch today

Hyper defensive is not town. Anyone not on this wagon is a

coward

Um...


Well so far the only t hing I can see is Invis and Jake are unlikely to be a scum team

[alimdia]

that wasn't a self hammer was it?

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I think I counted 4 or 5, but I also thought it was 9P for some reason, I'm in too many games atm

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Either way, please self un-vote Jake.

Also no need to rush the wagoning when 2 people haven't posted yet I believe?

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Its invis, eth0s, kcda and Jake I think?

I made the mistake of not seeing Dolly unvote earlier

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love it when town self votes

slip or???

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Yes I meant scumslip. When you call someone that you were pushing town.

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I dislike how the 3 people that voted for Jack is the scummiest on Jack's read list by the way.
Even from the POV of you being town, being wrong =/= scum.

I'll read your other stuff later, its hard to read when its in that format

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Glad people agreed with me about the slip

VOTE: Invis

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Why dolly?

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I saw it as a joke claim since there was barely any votes on Dolly???

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Look at all of these ethics police we have around here.

Scum is jumping at the bit for "fake claims" (that lasted all of 3 posts might I add and got us an obvtown out of it)

Whos the obvtown?

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Dolly, rb, Alimdia, do you also feel that Jake's post comes off as Try-Hard Scum?

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I'm gonna be honest its really hard to read cos I gotta keep going back and forth.

Its really fluffy as well.
He mentions me calling out Invis's 'slip' but then puts eth0s at the most scummy.

Something that might make sense is Kcdaspot and eth0s power-wolf'ing/mafia'ing but he didn't even mention that.

I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.

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Can't tell if rb's response to the fake claim here is genuine or not.

Either TvT fight there or SvT, with rb being the scummier o ne.

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Regarding the fake claim thing, why would scum do it there? Unless you're implying dolly and wake are scum together and wake refused to get entangled in the claim.

townreading dolly because you're overreacting and also another ongoing game so can't talk about it.

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Also town pocketing town does exist, its called sheeping.

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Er whats the def for pocketing? I can't find it on wiki and might have got it wrong.

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Ongoing games is not referring to you nor Dolly.
I said TvT or SvT because I was thinking invis vs jake is SvS, and there should be just 3 scum in 13 people?

[alimdia]

it's when you do something to make another player townread you

as scum?


I thought pocketing was pocketing someone's vote LOL

Anyway, can we talk about invis vs jake instead? That has more substance than your dolly case.

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I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.

thats a disgusting read and goes against your whole slip thought process and basically whatever you are doing rn still vote there

I have 0 idea what you just said. Can you reword

rb you should calm down a bit, honestly you are keeping scum from posting

hm....

[alimdia]

FTR

I have been doing light poe d1 for years now with pretty good accuracy and boy, does Ark fills that role in this game.

4 posts ✔
Self-conscious ✔
Nothing game related ✔
Awkward RVS banter ✔
Weak slot but no one mentions them ✔

4 posts, awkward RVS, nothing game related =/= scum ✔
Their last post was before the thread exploded ✔
There was bigger fish to fry, people were mentioning those people ✔

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i mean

i get having scumreads

considering the game solved tho?

wut

It's just my thoughts. I'm not that cocky to think I can solve a game a few pages in. All of the linking stuff still needs flips to substantiate.
I will agree though, I am more focused on looking at individually scummy people now, but I also don't want to forget connections after some flips later on.

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I still got a read on alim

You also didn't explain your read when Invis asked you btw

I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.

thats a disgusting read and goes against your whole slip thought process and basically whatever you are doing rn still vote there

I have 0 idea what you just said. Can you reword

i have been posting after work so I am tired and it's harder for me to articulate my ideas

The premise of your slip is that inv knew before hand that jake was town, so its a TMI SvsT slip. You can't push the slip wagon while calling both mafia, that was my point

Ah I see what you're saying. That's totally my bad. I guess at that point I caught the slip, got excited that both people in the 'war' were kinda scummy, so I thought that was 2 scum there.

I'll reread more when I get back home (at lunch work atm)

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VOTE: jake
post

Opportunistic jump on the jake wagon me thinks.

how on earth is that opportunistic?

Read on before you post ffs. People correct themselves later all the time. You are doing nobody any favors by doing catchup style posts like this

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All you got to do is find 2 to 3 scums and the rest of the people should be town

Theres this thing called being wrong?

it's helpful for me. feel free to ignore obsoleted comments.

Nah it's not. I had someone forever catching up and they were flooding the thread with fluff. And so far you've been very similar to them. Only caught up to page 4....
I can't help but feel like you want to seem like you're contributing by commenting on most posts when they are either resolved or as you said... obsolete later.

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I still got a read on alim

And a lot of do not like on ark.

I do believe invis has definitively prove them self not scummy

what is your read on alim? I couldn’t find it lol

Half scums from the rvs vote onward

Hasn't really moved

I just read all your posts until this point, Where did that read come from?

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I'm TRing Joey_.
Just ISO him, it speaks for itself.

But I don't really agree with your counterwagon. Did you see my post 258?
Also, after you put a vote on Arkias, you seem to just have forgotten about it

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Its not really a counterwagon its the main wagon...

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Btw Kcda do you think this wagon is too easy?

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PEDIT: My Joey post was not in response to you asking me to join the wagon btw.

Since we cleared up that SvS and slip issue, I'm honestly not sure about my invis read to begin with.

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Btw Kcda do you think this wagon is too easy?

VOTE: jake the wolfie

[alimdia]

~ ~ feels like you just slipped for another game brother. we getting into ongoing games territory .

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Dolly, rb, Alimdia, do you also feel that Jake's post comes off as Try-Hard Scum?

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I'm gonna be honest its really hard to read cos I gotta keep going back and forth.

Its really fluffy as well.
He mentions me calling out Invis's 'slip' but then puts eth0s at the most scummy.

Something that might make sense is Kcdaspot and eth0s power-wolf'ing/mafia'ing but he didn't even mention that.

I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.

what makes you think he might be town and not scum?

Um I'm pretty sure at that point I thought it was SvS, so this question makes 0 sense.

PEDIT: My Joey post was not in response to you asking me to join the wagon btw.

Since we cleared up that SvS and slip issue, I'm honestly not sure about my invis read to begin with.

this post existing just proves that the inv wagon is pretty terrible.

You claimed a slip, at least a few 2-3 slots took it at face value and voted with you. Then you went against your read with another read (SvsS), got called out on the incoherence and then you are second-guessing. Thats read progression and a transparent thought process

But why is this wagon is still sticking do you think? its a trick q

I'm guessing they don't wanna look like they're following again. I'll check who followed on invis with me.

VOTE: Jake The Wolfie

Follow me Almi let's put this counter wagon to the test.

are we svs or do you not think I slipped anymore

See Joey's above post and his previous. I'm not 100% sure if you slipped or not anymore, but I don't think SvS is possible between you and Jake.

because the opportunistic thing, and the svs thing

I'm TRing Joey_.
Just ISO him, it speaks for itself.

But I don't really agree with your counterwagon. Did you see my post 258?
Also, after you put a vote on Arkias, you seem to just have forgotten about it

who are you talking too here? i'm having some reading comprehension failure on this page.

I'm just listing my reads...

[alimdia]

kdca and saus townreads have drained away because not enough work
also the saus read was kinda of dumb to begin with but it’s okay
also kdca was kind of kicking jake a few times when I was arguing with him does that make sense?
in retrospect it’s kinda scummy
yeah actually I don’t like that at all

also UNVOTE:
if it’s Jake’s meta
has he played as scum?

anyway VOTE: alim

Whats your case here? Me saying you slipped and you and jake being SvS and then backtracking?

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@mod the votecount has jake at 5, not 3.

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because the opportunistic thing, and the svs thing

I missed this earlier, sorry.

I don't see why thats a case again me anyway.

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All you got to do is find 2 to 3 scums and the rest of the people should be town

Theres this thing called being wrong?

it's helpful for me. feel free to ignore obsoleted comments.

Nah it's not. I had someone forever catching up and they were flooding the thread with fluff. And so far you've been very similar to them. Only caught up to page 4....
I can't help but feel like you want to seem like you're contributing by commenting on most posts when they are either resolved or as you said... obsolete later.

I hate this post because of the tone and stubbornness of it. Like what is the point of telling someone what doesn't help them? Why are you being so much more aggressive already than you ever were in newbie 1962, and over this of all things?

Other than what looks like a difference in meta this post doesn't really help me sort you, so I could say you're just fluffing the thread up with this post too.

Maybe you should look at my other ongoing games where I flipped.
I hate it when people do that perpetual catch up method

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Also @Mod V/la for the next 36 hours

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um don't hammer. Also wake your questions to me will have to wait.

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I need to ask moving forward,

is the accepted meta doing posts per thing you're responding too, or doing big wall texts? Historically, I've done wall texts, but it also gives me an incredibly low post count -- but reading Ethos/Dolly/Tris doing it, makes me wonder if I'm playing this wrong?

Thanks

I recommend multiple smaller posts, but also read up completely first. I do responses on notepad++ then paste them in after finish reading if they're not obselete by then

BTW to anyone who actually cares, reading Ark's games shows a good portrait of what player she can be

brah I don't have time rn to read Ark's other games. I'm already low key mad eth0s is claiming off town meta as the main case against me. My frustration with fluffing the thread is real I say, look at post 435. The game I'm talking about actually ended btw, its Micro 900 where I was pushing for the person that was perpetually catching up and posting fluff. Also.. they were actually scum.
But also, I hate using meta but I felt like I had to defend himself here.

UNVOTE: both my leads ended up colder than expected

Quoting this so I can find it later after some flips... That was quite an about turn.

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Caught up to pg. 12. Still getting caught up.

I like rb's play as town. Dont think I agree on the thing from invis being a slip though. Was definitely bad, and the fact that he was voting there and kept voting there is weird, maybe I'm wrong on this, but I don't think this is a scumslip.
When LUV came in it made me question my early read of invisibility. I'm gonna have to look those first few pages over. But I wanna know why he had the most to say abo uh t invisibility but ended up voting Dolly.

Gonna have some more questions when I finish, but invis, explain what you meant by saying you love when town self-votes and if you thought Jake was town there, why were you still voting there?
Dolly's joke mason claim (@invis - it also may draw a cc which is what makes it scummy, I honestly dont get a town motivation from a mason fakeclaim) coupled with her strange early play around a couple of wagons, hopping on after others have hopped on using reasoning that she could have used to be the first to hop on, this is mainly about Sausarex, makes me have real concerns about her slot. AMD I'm not getting many townie vibes. Her defense to the jokeclaim concerns was to say it made Wake obvtown, but I dont know how it accomplished that. I actually like wakes response to her calling him obvtown as a result, but Dolly is pinging me hard.

Jake's play is bad. Rb is saying it's bad not scummy, but I'm seeing alot of shade and not a whole hell of a lot of attempting to find town. His top townread being sausarex really stuck out (I like Alimdia, but not more than a couple of other people) at the time he did that huge wall didnt make alot of sense to me. The selfvote and behavior under pressure certainly didnt read town to me.

So far liking joey. Dont know why he thinks Jake town told in his first three posts though.

How come I had 0 mention in your catch up but got a 'I like alimdia' near the end?

Tris just jumped on the 4th spot on me. Statistics dictate that slot is filled by scum over ~65%.

And with a "placeholder" vote there, now who is positioning?

Alim is the only I trust not to vote me. Alim gets it.

Wake and rb are smart enough as TOWN to not vote me yet and let scum fill that spot.

uh.....

Ok.

@Everyone

I want to DUEL Jake for the D1 lynch. I want everyone to choose a side. Nothing personal. Just promise to lynch Jake tomorrow after I flip VT.

Also why did you claim when you weren't at L1.
Also, why did jake CLAIM AS WELL?

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Imo wake is now obvious scum

Dolly and jake are TvsT almost always

Guessing cos of the fluff posts initially? If not can you explain
It looked like you guys voted him after his night nurse comment.

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Also alim thats a ridiculous shade, 477 is basically me unvoting ark after she answered my post, theres nothing uncommon or noteworthy

Sorry mate, it was more for me when I reread later on too. I do have a TR on you tho, so consider that no shade.

The table can’t understand when I explain stuff so i diubt theyd understand if I explained my wake read, so ill leave it at that

People failing to understand reads is always better than having them suspicious of you for having seemingly no reasons. You should explain it anyway.

Im universally townreads and moreso when dolly or jake flips town

I TR SausasaurusRex more now after his interaction with Joey.

If you think Wake is scum, you need to get people to vote him. Which means you need to convince them to vote him. Which means providing reasoning is in your best interests. Otherwise, Wake will continue to live, which is presumably not what you want.

If you think Wake is scum, you need to get people to vote him. Which means you need to convince them to vote him. Which means providing reasoning is in your best interests. Otherwise, Wake will continue to live, which is presumably not what you want.

Not a bad point, but I have a trumpcard

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Holy fuck Wake, your shit is so hard to read.

170: I voted invis cos I saw that slip.

203: Its very possible that rb could be tunneling Dolly. However, now there a lot of votes on Dolly.

208: I know what you're gonna say. I cbf dancing around this ongoing game. At worst its NAI on Dolly.

218: 218 was me being confused about what pocketing meant. But my assumption about Dolly and rb being TvS could be wrong, now thinking about it.

257: Well actually I have a townread on Joey after he corrected my mistake regarding the slip and SvS mistake and didn't push me for it.
I feel like if he was scum it would have been a really good opporutunity to push me.
Also also, I just had a look at page 2, daytalk is allowed, so he didn't need to coach his partner in thread.

331: No comment, you should know. This is also an ongoing game.

341: I don't actually remember to be fair, think I just impulse followed Dolly.

380: THis should really be in invisibility's section. He's not going to see this.

By the way, I'm not reading what you're asking other people.
Its way too annoying to read your questions to me.

I also agree with this:

if i have to follow a link and a link and another link in a post just to make it make sense, im not convinced the writer of the post is trying to be understood and will assume they're just doing busy work to look good without doing anything actually useful

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Also....

WE DONT HAVE TO LISTEN TO DOLLY AND DO THIS DOLLY VS JAKE BS

For the sake of your 'VCA' I would pick Dolly to stay over Jake.

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You shouldn't be upset that I caught scum. It's unorthodox but it workrd. Letting Jake survive this lynch will just pushbhim into endgame eventually. Who wants to Lylo with Jake this game?

That slot is compromised.

I wouldn't wanna LYLO with Tris either.

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sigh

please don't hammer this before I post again.

I'm starting to think we shouldn't hammer it at all. I'll elaborate on that and much more when I'm on next.

@ethos can you expand on that

Isnt eth0s dead?

Oh wait, shit, he is lol.

I don't believe that both of you didn't see 2 kills. No way. One of you is lying and/or trying to use it as a town tell...

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Also.. vanilla cop sounds useless af?

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Will reread part of Day 1 later, didnt read it during the night.

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Wake why did you hammer before eth0s came back?

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Its relevant actually. I asked that because there's almost always a PR in scum team

The flip of the VC makes me think this is guarenteed, as it would be pretty bastard otherwise.

I was saying its useless because you can target town PR and get the same result as a scum PR.

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I have no idea what you are saying Jake..

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I have no idea what you are saying Jake..

Why would a Godfather ever need to out as a PR, unless they were vanillachecked as not vanilla

Sorry still don't understand.

The vanilla cop is only ever useful when the person they checked lies about their role later, otherwise you can't tell if someone is a town PR or a scum PR.

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Wagon was:

Dolly Parton (7) - Lil Uzi Vert, Arkias, Billy Pilgrim, tris, SausasaurusRex, rb, Wake88 LYNCH

rb flipped town.

My analysis on Lil Uzi Vert:

Parks first vote on Dolly, after that doesn't really contribute much as well, and doesn't have any interactions with other people. Whenever he asks a question or brings up a point, it is never follow up'ed. He does V/LA near the end of Day 1.

Day 2 comes around and ...
Basically says I'm null, says Billy is town for really crappy reasons, and .. no thoughts on Wake much....

@Wake88 and Lil Uzi Vert:

How do you feel about alimdia, RB, tris, kcda, and each other?

The only player I have a good amount of experience with is rb. His play here feels like his town game. The others haven’t made much of an impression on me yet.

I get that you're generally lurky and don't really case things but I truly don't see how you have nothing to say about anyone but rb

I just didn’t.

I barely recall Alimdia being the first one to claim Invisibility slipped. I find it interesting that when I initially read the claim, I thought it was sarcasm. While rereading his ISO, I see that he voted for him 171. It reads like he wasn’t going to pursue this train of thought but saw an opportunity to when a much stronger and vocal player did in rb. Not sure what to make of it, but it’s something I want to make note of.

Other then the slip, there isn’t much that sticks out to me. I think the opportunism stuff he pointed out early on was overblown.

Tris is just there for me. Yes they’re poking and look like they’re making attempts to figure out the game but it just doesn’t translate into anything alignment indicative in my opinion. The one thing I did like from her was 355 and 361 because it mirrored my thoughts exactly at the time.

I thought Billy Pilgrim’s predecessor was Saudade for some reason but I quickly realized that didn’t make sense due to his join date. I like how charismatic and loud he was and I think I’m going to say that is coming from town here more than scum.

Wake had hardly posted so I didn’t have any thoughts on him. I’ve seen a few players detest Day 1 and be pushed for it by town. Wouldn’t surprise me if scum were pushing him this game though.

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You shouldn't be upset that I caught scum. It's unorthodox but it workrd. Letting Jake survive this lynch will just pushbhim into endgame eventually. Who wants to Lylo with Jake this game?

That slot is compromised.

I wouldn't wanna LYLO with Tris either.

Uh. . . This came outta nowhere, why?

This didn't really come out of nowhere, read my ISO

@Alim - I didnt devote alot of time to talking about you because my read of your slot is mostly null. Its null-town and I was scumreading Sausa so when I was commenting on Jake's readslist I didnt want to communicate that I was scumreading you. I get why it may have confused you, but that was my thought process.

I forgot to mention this last day, but you said I'm null-town but you were also scumreading me?


Billy slot is weird (I haven't reread kcda)

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IN addition to #759, Lil's sole logical reason for TR'ing rb

@Wake88 and Lil Uzi Vert:

How do you feel about alimdia, RB, tris, kcda, and each other?

The only player I have a good amount of experience with is rb. His play here feels like his town game. The others haven’t made much of an impression on me yet.

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I'm revoking my TR on SausasaurusRex

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^not explaining until Sausa posts more

TRs now: Joey, Arkias

My lynchpool today: {Billy, tris}
Maybes: {Invis, wake, jake}

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^not explaining until Sausa posts more

TRs now: Joey, Arkias

My lynchpool today: {Billy, tris}
Maybes: {Invis, wake, jake}

When did you start scumreading Tris?

Like I wanted to vote them out all of day 1, their slot was useless as hell. Reading the new rep's posts though

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I'm saying you voting Jake was opportunistic because you could have voted Lil Uzi Vert for the same reason.
So either you didn't see that Lil also didn't post or you wanted to put another vote on Jake.

fry

I was gonna flip out that you were gonna do the same thing tris did

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zzz I just skimmed sauce’s last two mafia games, and I think he has already demonstrated greater depth of reasoning here than in either of those two games

VOTE: billy

so are you saying sauce is scummy, but you're voting billy?

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VOTE: sauce Rex

Walk me through what you were thinking when you posted 576

I didn't catch that, but now scum or town there will be a valid defence ~ ~

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I think you misinterpreted that. I said you were null/town. I was scumreading Sausa, and you were close in proximity to him on Jake's readslist. Because I said I was concerned by the top of the list, I didnt want anyone to incorrectly infer that I was scumreading you.

I still have no idea what you're saying

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^not explaining until Sausa posts more

TRs now: Joey, Arkias

My lynchpool today: {Billy, tris}
Maybes: {Invis, wake, jake}

Case me please. You said my slot was weird a few posts before this one, can you explain that as part of the case?

Oh shit sorry I typoed.

My lynch pool today: {Lil, tris} well tris might get removed soon based on his rep.

I was talking about you before I made that post and I typed the wrong name in

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He's weird but there are scummier slots

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glad you repped tris tho, played with people like them and it was a bitch both ways regardless of their alignment

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I'm gonna give up on that point Billy, I must be dumb or sth,

I’m not certain at the moment. I townread Wake and Jake. I don’t like how you refuse to answer questions, Joey, but it isn’t enough for a scumread. Aliminda I used to townread, but he’s more null now.

Interesting, what changed?

VOTE: wake up sheeple

For now i think wake is the best slot to put pressure on. Everyone should reread and make their minds about the table. RN theres so many replacements and afks that we don’t know who reads who how

VOTE: wake yeah sure sounds good

Any comments btw?

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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Join me on this Joey?

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Sorry fellas can we not do meta lol? Talking about Billy's games

[alimdia]

V/LA from 17th-18th of Dec

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Sorry been busy, will look at Adorable and Invis and the other ppl's interactions in the last page

Sorry fellas can we not do meta lol? Talking about Billy's games

Hmm... why dont you want other people using meta in their cases?

Sorry fellas can we not do meta lol? Talking about Billy's games

Why? I caught people d1 from reading their scum game

cos meta is unreliable from personal experience. 2nd hand meta more so. I'm busy af and don't have time to go read someone else's game at this time. And no, I'm not gonna take anyones word that someone is town/scum based on X meta, even if I TR them heavily. Have an actual case please.

[alimdia]

@Adorable, I recall what you are talking about, I think I actually touched on it briefly.

I will reread tomorrow morning. At the moment, I'm not ecstatic about the game state because I'm getting pushed by a player I'm pretty sure is town. Clearly i messed up with Dolly yesterday. That lynch happened pretty early in the day. I'm pretty skeptical of Wake here. I know hes V/LA so I cam wait until he comes back, but I see him hammering with plenty of time left in D1 when Eth0s was coming around on a read and saying he didnt want to hammer. That was about 1 day after he had asked no one to hammer until people engaged with his analysis engagement post. Now is that too obvious to be scummy? Maybe, but

You know you have no votes on you right? Hardly a push.

[alimdia]

I'm revoking my TR on SausasaurusRex

^not explaining until Sausa posts more

TRs now: Joey, Arkias

My lynchpool today: {Billy, tris}
Maybes: {Invis, wake, jake}

Fuck I forgot why I revoked the TR, I needa go find it again...

[alimdia]

lmao I could have sworn he said something along the lines of what to do on Day 2 if Dolly flips town but I might be totally dreaming about that now.....

[alimdia]

stop voting randomly, billy/dorable/inv are not being lynched today

Why not invis?

[alimdia]

I am taking billy’s slot to lylo with me. If anyone has qualms about any either my slot or his, speak now c:

I do

Then speak up, irrc you said his tone was scummy, how so?

@alim will most likely join you

Your vote is still on wake I think? LUV is bigger wagon

[alimdia]

Would have been cooler if you had rode this out with me though.

This heavily implies Dolly was lying. Why would Wake need to ride it out if she’d been telling the truth?

VOTE: Dolly Parton

I don’t like Invis’s slip either though. Perhaps a D2 lynch if the Dolly one doesn’t work.

Btw I just remembered why I revoked my TR on Sausaurus .

If we look through his ISO he was very focused on invis, then voted Dolly, then day 2 starts and he doens't mention invis at all.

If invis is town, this man is 100% scum. If invis is scum, I'm not so sure...

[alimdia]

Would have been cooler if you had rode this out with me though.

This heavily implies Dolly was lying. Why would Wake need to ride it out if she’d been telling the truth?

VOTE: Dolly Parton

I don’t like Invis’s slip either though. Perhaps a D2 lynch if the Dolly one doesn’t work.

stop voting randomly, billy/dorable/inv are not being lynched today

I am currently rereading and so far

I have Sauce as town
Inv/Jake as very likely town

Wake as hard scum

Rest is still up to be read but i expect that i will townread Alim/ark/ofz, leaving billy/LUV. I dont really think billy is mefia but could be, will reread to confirm

Also, everyone should notice that Wake and LUV have been the biggest wagons, yet someone those wagons never went over 3 votes and after many days. Also, the wagon constitution of both are in the slots i trust the most, namely alim/ofhz and in a lesser extent, inv

Getting to airport. V/LA starts

[alimdia]

prod dodge. chinas internet sucks
ill post more tomorrow

also i see L1 lemme catch up plx

[alimdia]

Um don't start the mass claim until everyone agrees (give 1 day)

Also, do popcorn method or something, otherwise scum can just lurk and claim near the end

[alimdia]

VC 1.13

Dolly Parton (7) -

Lil Uzi Vert, Arkias, Billy Pilgrim, tris, SausasaurusRex, rb,

Wake88

LYNCH

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-12-17 11:00:00)

Game Notes

- Will add spicy quote in the morning.

VC 2.5

Hell yeah

YEAH

YEAH

Wake88 (6) -

Billy Pilgrim,

ofrhz

, Invisibility, SausasaurusRex, Joey_, Lil Uzi Vert

(LYNCHED)

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2019-12-25 18:22:39)

Game Notes

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I think Billy, Lil and Sausaurus should def claim before everyone else though..

[alimdia]

I notice we only have a single death this night. If it were true that there was a vigilante, doesn't that mean that either the vigilante decided not to kill, or either mafia or vigilante's kill was blocked by a doctor?

You know something here? You seem to be fishing around here.

refraining from comment until massclaim is over, if we are.

Vig could also just have been 1-shot
Massclaim sounds good

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Infinite* Votes (Passive)

- You can vote multiple people multiple times by separating each vote with a comma. If the host does not set a cap to your votes, you will have infinite votes.

Plurality Rule (Passive)

- Majority is disabled at the start of the game.
Achieve your faction’s wincon. If you are neutral, instead survive until the end of the game.

Are you still playing this game here?

If we're all going to mass claim, I can go first since I'm here. I'm Vanilla Townie.

Fellas stop claiming out of order. If you;re town, all it does is give scum more safeclaims

[alimdia]

Interesting, better be juicy

[alimdia]

I was the night 1 universal backup. So I got the first pr to die, but only if it died on n1. So now that I've claimed, most of my value is gone, but I'm open to allowing folks better than me to tell me who to investigate.

Um, so you didn't use that 1 shot vanilla cop on n2?

Why did you have to claim AFTER Invis and Lil? You made it sound like you had info on them.

Also, I'll prefer to claim after Jake. Not saying I have info on him

[alimdia]

I'll wait for alimdia to claim first

your slot townread me btw...

[alimdia]

I'm a watcher with some limitations which I will not reveal at this point.

I have no useful results.

[alimdia]

Guessing Joey_ slot is the vig?

[alimdia]

I was the night 1 universal backup. So I got the first pr to die, but only if it died on n1. So now that I've claimed, most of my value is gone, but I'm open to allowing folks better than me to tell me who to investigate.

I was the night 1 universal backup. So I got the first pr to die, but only if it died on n1. So now that I've claimed, most of my value is gone, but I'm open to allowing folks better than me to tell me who to investigate.

Um, so you didn't use that 1 shot vanilla cop on n2?

Why did you have to claim AFTER Invis and Lil? You made it sound like you had info on them.

Also, I'll prefer to claim after Jake. Not saying I have info on him

No I didnt use my 1 shot on N2. Because this pr is of minimal utility. I wanted to try and get as many claims out there, then my plan was to check in the VT slots to see if I got a not vanilla result. Now I think I'll check in the claimed prs to see if I get a vanilla result.

@Mod it should say 'day 3' in the vc instead of 'day 2'.

[alimdia]

I forgot I quoted those soz.

[alimdia]

I just wiki'ed doc enabler as well, didn't know that was a thing.

It doesn't say it that role is commonly town or scum, just that it punishes town if they die.

[alimdia]

Yeah, Karnage is basically mech town at this point. Did Sausa claim targets? I cant remember. Should I check invis? Does anyone think hed claim a pr as a goon? I mean hell he may be a scum doc enabler, in which case my check would pseudo clear him.

hows it pseudo clear him

[alimdia]

Yes I am the vig

Targeted ethos N1
Didn’t target anybody N2

Being able to kill someone every night seems really swingy, considering my version of watcher.

• Karnage - Vig
  
• SausasaurusRex - Town Simple DOctor
  
• Invisibility - Doc Enabler
  
• Jake The Wolfie - VT
  
• alimdia - watcher
  
• Billy Pilgrim - universal backup
  
• Lil Uzi Vert - VT
  
• Adorable - VT

is this accurate?

watcher with 'restrictions', which I'm not currently claiming

At first glance, I’m most suspect of Alimdia and Invisibility’s claims.

scum doc enabler could be a thing, explain why I'm suspect?

[alimdia]

^what billy said

If this really is MYLO, we need to have a contingency plan for who I should shoot in the event we mislynch

I was actually thinking a no lynch may be best here. Then you dont shoot, or you shoot where the doc protects and it only gets a kill if scum target there. And gets like 3 conf townies.

um the last paragraph makes no sense.
The claimed doctor powers is that it only protects vanillas, scum targeting there has no effect???

[alimdia]

Also if we no lynch, scum would just kill the 'confirmed town' aka the vig, who can't be protected by the claimed simple doctor

Since SKs aren't in minis, vig = town for sure right???

[alimdia]

I disagree on the vig and doc plan on the same person plan.
If I believe all of these claims, scum would have a roleblocker

[alimdia]

Finally, no lynching just means the vig is guranteed to be dead and we have 1 less 'confirmed townie' alive tomorrow.

[alimdia]

I can't tell if this town is a powerhouse of PRs or not, because on one side of the scale, we have a simple doctor claim, which is already a weaker role, but having a doc enabler makes it even weaker. Not sure if both of them could be telling the truth or not.
Then vanilla cop doesn't do anything really, at most it can catch 1 person lying about their claims, I can't tell if this universal backup is legit or fake.
Full vig is really swingy.
I'm obviously not a full watcher, not sure if I should claim my 'restrictions'? I feel like that would just give scum the ability to get around it.

[alimdia]

Also too much setup spec atm, need to get back to scumhunting the old fashioned way, unless you guys are determined to no lynch and lose our only confirmed town

[alimdia]

Ignore all claims except the vig's

Who is scum?

[alimdia]

I'm a watcher with some limitations which I will not reveal at this point.

I have no useful results.

What results do you have? I don't seen any reason not to reveal them even if you don't think they are useful

Nobody visited Joey night 1

should we do a HURT: vote for the vig/save and/or Billy's invest?

huh?

I'm thinking Lil and Invis are scum before the claims even happened, and they've done nothing to change it.

[alimdia]

Nobody visited Joey night 1

Why did you choose to watch joey night 1?

What about night 2?

Because Joey was one of my strongest TR, he corrected a genuine mistake I made early D1 but didn't push me for it. Also he TR'ed me back.
I thought he might draw a NK.
I couldn't watch N2

I'm concerned about alimdia's reluctance to share their actions/results

Well if you wish to sign your own death sentence, I'm a 1 shot watcher so I only had that 1 result.
Guess you're dying tonight now that scum know there's no threat of me watching you...

[alimdia]

Told ya I didn't wanna claim my restrictions ffs

[alimdia]

I'm gonna be on a plane tomorrow

[alimdia]

I don't wanna do no lynch for reasons I already explained.

[alimdia]

We basically did a mass claim and everyone stopped scumhunting

[alimdia]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[alimdia]

Vote analysis on day 1 wagon

Dolly Parton (7) - Lil Uzi Vert, Arkias, Billy Pilgrim, tris(orfhz ), SausasaurusRex, rb, Wake88 LYNCH
rb and wake and orfhz flipped town.

My analysis on Lil Uzi Vert:

Parks first vote on Dolly, after that doesn't really contribute much as well, and doesn't have any interactions with other people.
Whenever he asks a question or brings up a point, it is never follow up'ed.

Day 2 comes around and ...
Basically says I'm null, says Billy is town for really crappy reasons, and .. no thoughts on Wake much....


I'll need to read Day 2 more and do some wagon analysis on D2 since only Joey and someone else jumped on Lil with me yesterday

[alimdia]

I think theres def 2 scum on the D1 wagon, and 1 off.

[alimdia]

Its pretty typical for a day 1 town wagon to have some scum on some scum off, and most commonly its 2:1 in this game size.

The alternative wagons that day were Invis and Jake, which makes me think one of them is the scum that is 'off'.

Yeah its independent, I'm basically saying lynching from the 'on people' would yield a higher chance at scum, and I've always had my suspicions about Lil.

[alimdia]

Thanks Karnage. What do you think about Lil?

[alimdia]

There definitely is if everyone is telling the truth with their claims.

Even if 1 is fakeclaiming as scum, its still likely they have a roleblocker. It's like one of the most common roles after goon.

[alimdia]

Do you believe Saurus's claim then Billy?

[alimdia]

Rephrase: Do you believe Saurus's claim Billy?

[alimdia]

Do you believe Saurus's claim then Billy?

Well he claimed that way after eth0s flipped. Your claim is still kinda

I dont know. I got burned by setup spec in large 223 when someone fake claimed doctor and there were machos in the game so we assumed that the doc claim had to be true. Here, claiming simple seems real. I'm not gonna lie, I was pretty suspect of sausarex prior to the claim, so that claim is doing alot of work for me in terms of taking him out of my pool, but I think I have to believe it.

VOTE: Invisibility

@Lil Uzi Vert, there are people voting you. Do you have a defence?

he voted the other 'wagon', if you can call a 1 vote a wagon

VOTE: LUV

Billy, if they flip town who do I shoot?

Whats the probability of scum having a RB if everyone is true claiming?

[alimdia]

My msg accomplying the first quote disappeared:
I was gonna say that reminder that the simple doctor claim was after eth0s flipped a while ago on night 1 as a 'vanilla cop'. The part about your claim I find suspicious is when you claim your universal backup is only for Night 1, which seems weird.

[alimdia]

I know. I was saying Sausarex's claim of simple doc had the precedence of there being a vanilla cop. They're quite similar if you look at it. They both have the 'vanilla' flavor.

[alimdia]

VOTE: LUV

Billy, if they flip town who do I shoot?

I think Invisibility? I don't know, I'm lost as hell in this game.

That was my thoughts too but party of the reason why I didnt ask karnage to share his reads (despite him being conftown) was cos scum are gonna do stuff based on Karnage's reads.

[alimdia]

looks like the day ended, lil ended up on L-1 ~ ~

[alimdia]

A goon would claim VT too though?

[alimdia]

I'm not sure what to think about SausasaurusRex's claim now.
The fact that there the doc enabler is scum adds credibility to his claim, but on the flip side, you don't need to have a doctor with a doctor enabler, so he might have fake claimed, as if he was partners with Invis, he would know. But he also claimed so early, risking a real town doctor counterclaim if so.

Also not sure about Billy's claim.....

So I'm just gonna do what I said which was ignore your 2 claims and judge by association

[alimdia]

A goon would claim VT too though?

Did Adorable claim

*before*

Billy claimed?

Yeah

[alimdia]

Will reread the game and see interactions - I suggest everyone do the same now that we have a scum flip.

In particular will read Invis's ISO and see his interactions with the people alive and see if anything pings up.

[alimdia]

Yeah, that seems right at least from memory. Who should I check? Invis?

Yeah, Karnage is basically mech town at this point. Did Sausa claim targets? I cant remember. Should I check invis? Does anyone think hed claim a pr as a goon? I mean hell he may be a scum doc enabler, in which case my check would pseudo clear him.

Yeah, Karnage is basically mech town at this point. Did Sausa claim targets? I cant remember. Should I check invis? Does anyone think hed claim a pr as a goon? I mean hell he may be a scum doc enabler, in which case my check would pseudo clear him.

hows it pseudo clear him

Because I'm just a vanilla cop. So all I can do is find out if someone was lying when they claimed a pr. If hes mafia doc enabler, I'd get a not vanilla result. So it would pseudo clear him because he wasnt lying about being a pr.

I think Invisibility was already a bit suspect from the day play. I also think the claim is strange. In fact, being a doc enabler seems to be a way to introduce balance if scum gets lynched early we lose our doc. I was gonna check there at night, but I think he may have been honest about the role and just scum aligned. Honestly, town isnt really trying this game. The one guy that was active D2 repped out. So I'm kinda counting on losing, because town isnt being all that cohesive at the moment. I'm good with a lynch on Invisibility unless someone wants to sell me somewhere else.

VOTE: LUV

Billy, if they flip town who do I shoot?

I think Invisibility? I don't know, I'm lost as hell in this game.

[alimdia]

This is bad. Invis's flip didn't crack the game open like I thought it initially would after seeing the flip.
After re-reading Invis's ISOs, it looks like Jake is town from their interactions, and also when people interact with them. Unless they did some top tier SvS flinging at the start, which is possible.
Also Saurus keeping his vote on Invis for a long time on D1 as the lone vote is very suspicious.

However, looking at his voting history:

Invis has voted for ... me and Jake Day 1, Jake earlier and parked on me the rest of the day.
On day 2 he voted for billy for like 6 posts( 7 minutes), before going on wake. Works Adorable for 44 posts (1 day) before going on wake
On day 3 he only voted for LUV

Then looking at his ISO:
kcda: has a town read on kcda because 'productive'

Billy:He made a joke at Billy twice at the beginning then....
Voted him once and unvoted 7 mins after (mentioned above)
Questions Adorable about her case on Billy
Questions Adorable more about her case on Billy (post 900)
Directly talks to Billy for the first time in post 959.
Indirectly talks to Billy in post 1065, and a couple more generic mechanical talk after the mass-claim.

Summary, almost no direct interaction with Billy whatsoever, town read on kcda for not that great reason
On the flip side, you can see lots of direct interaction with Adorable and Jake.
Also don't have much interactions with Sausa but at least he DIRECTLY interacts with Sausa.

Kcda's ISO:

Again I say I REALLY don't like the invis lynch

It feels too damn easy

Also I'm loving the activity now.. Imma give this a better read when I wake up

I still got a read on alim

And a lot of do not like on ark.

I do believe invis has definitively prove them self not scummy

Billy's ISO
On the flip side, Billy does have a lot of interaction with Invis. I'm not sure
See posts quoted

Billy, can you give a readlist?

I'm only through pg 4. I will get to the rest later. But as of pg 4, I'm liking invisibility a good bit. Not liking Dollys play all that much, think that she opportunistically hopped onto Sausarex, then backed off after a pretty nai explanation. Not scumreading her, but it just felt strange and stuck out. I think I like Alimdia's interactions with invisibility, I think that their interactions with your slot on pg 4 are less natural. I dont know why when they're looking at the interaction you are having with invisibility and identify what you're doing as a misrep they dont vote and put pressure on you.

Not liking your play as of the end of pg 4. I think your interactions with Invisibility arent good. I see you excessively shading and i dont see you trying to sort his motivation. I think you're trying to make him look bad rather than find out his alignment, and that sort of play comes from scum more than it comes from town.

Still catching up. Will have more tomorrow morning.

[alimdia]

It was deliberately rude. Because it didnt accomplish anything except you shading a slot that I'm damn near convinced is town. So it felt scummy. Because he couldn't change it, so it sounded like you questioning whether it was genuine. And his slot is mad townie, so I was snarky.

Was this attempted buddying?

[alimdia]

Only thing is Billy said to kill Invis if LUV was flipped town. ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[alimdia]

Sausasaurus's claim does not make him guaranteed town here.

In fact, nobodys claim makes them guranteed town here.

[alimdia]

Why does the timing of the claim matter? They also claimed pretty early in the claim, so both towndorable and scumdorable would claim VT.
I think its null. What else would a mafia goon claim other than VT?

[alimdia]

I mean the only really sus people were Invis and LUV yesterday. It was kinda obvious Karnage was shooting Invis if LUV flipped town.

Who else was 'mislynch fodder'?

[alimdia]

What do you think of my analysis otherwise?

[alimdia]

The wagon analysis actually looks really bad for Billy and Sausaurus.
However, I doubt both of you would be blantant on all 3 town wagons as scum.
I do believe one of you is scum though via wagon analysis.

Jake has been off on all 3 wagons, I don't know what to make of it.

61 the invis flips makes you look better here given that you accused him of opportunistically hopping on Jake, not sure why your vote didnt move though.

Holy shit, I see why I look bad on an invisibility flip, why was Kcda weirdly defending him at 63?

Although why'd you back off at 94? You were pressuring him, and I dont know why you kinda ease off there. Ok, but 97 helps. I dont think scum engineer a svs interaction in the first 4 pages where one accuses the other of misrepping. That doesnt happen much, right?

Was 124 a slip or was that meant to fuck with us when Invis flipped and throw off associationals? Shit if Jake is town, then I dont know wtf is happening. My early thought was Adorable and Jake. But maybe they are just disengaged town. Damnit I'm spiraling.

128, need to check if Alimdia is the first to call out the scumslip. If so, definite townpoints. Oh shit, he was. Now, the only thing that gives me pause is that if I'm scum, I want invisibility to flip before anyone else, because that takes any docs out of play. But do you strategically bus on D1? That i dont think so.

Man, the thing that stopped the Jake/Invis wagon was conf!townies. I thought that might lead me somewhere.

Although Alim voting invis when the pressure is going to Dolly gives him town points.

174 is kinda awkward positioning from Sausa. Voting Dolly while positioning for Invisibility on D2. Do you position to bus your partner after mislynching town as scum?

202 also looking good for Alim. While pressure is building on Dolly he continues to try and redirect to either Jake or Invis away from Dolly.

254 this looks good for Arkias/Adorable. Pressure is building up on Dolly and they go to Invis. Not sure that that's a scum tactic.

Alim defending Arkias at 258 from Joey which runs counter to what hes doing wrt Invis.

273 - Sausa shading Jake while the pressure is still on him. Probably not a team there.

I'm literally spitballing at this point, but one of my games just finished so I can effort this a bit more.

Honestly kinda hard to read this since it feels like a stream of consciousness


Regarding your point on Sausa... you just reminded me.. I pointed this shit out later when after the Dolly flip..

Would have been cooler if you had rode this out with me though.

This heavily implies Dolly was lying. Why would Wake need to ride it out if she’d been telling the truth?

VOTE: Dolly Parton

I don’t like Invis’s slip either though. Perhaps a D2 lynch if the Dolly one doesn’t work.

Btw I just remembered why I revoked my TR on Sausaurus .

If we look through his ISO he was very focused on invis, then voted Dolly, then day 2 starts and he doens't mention invis at all.

If invis is town, this man is 100% scum. If invis is scum, I'm not so sure...

[alimdia]

Not sure what your 258 means.

[alimdia]

Though this is interesting. After having called Invis v Jake svs, Alim is asking whether the Jake wagon is too easy. I think Alim can only be scum if both Invis and Jake are scum. If Jake flips scum I may have to re-evaluate. Because otherwise hes trying to run up his partner for distance when the wagon on town is growing stronger and hes questioning it.

@Billy the SvS thing was explained here via Joey correcting me:

I still got a read on alim

You also didn't explain your read when Invis asked you btw

I'm inclined to think that invis vs jake is actually SvS. That's pretty rare I must say, but it seems like some light bussing gone wrong.

thats a disgusting read and goes against your whole slip thought process and basically whatever you are doing rn still vote there

I have 0 idea what you just said. Can you reword

i have been posting after work so I am tired and it's harder for me to articulate my ideas

The premise of your slip is that inv knew before hand that jake was town, so its a TMI SvsT slip. You can't push the slip wagon while calling both mafia, that was my point

Ah I see what you're saying. That's totally my bad. I guess at that point I caught the slip, got excited that both people in the 'war' were kinda scummy, so I thought that was 2 scum there.

I'll reread more when I get back home (at lunch work atm)

Also.. @Billy you kinda haven't responded to my earlier analysis

[alimdia]

Not sure what your 258 means.

It means I am damn near sure you're town. I dont think you defend a guy who flips town while attacking a guy that flips scum for something that I think I thought was pretty close to them doing the same thing.

Honestly, the two of us need to find one town. I dont think its Jake. I'm between Sausarex and Adorable at the moment.

Er are you saying you don't think Jake is town?

So scum doc enabler as an anti swing mechanic makes sense. It's why I suspected Invis. You wouldn't have a scum doc and a scum doc enabler right? Because then it's not an anti swing mechanic. And only one doc claimed. So that means that if theres a scum doc, you wouldnt wanna get that person killed. But if theres a scum doc and a town doc, then the doc enabler is kinda overall balanced and not a huge swing either way. . .

Alim, why would the claimed doc be more likely to be scum in a setup where theres a doc enabler? Wouldnt there have to be a town doc in a setup with a scum doc and scum doc enabler?

BP

I meant there could be NO doctor at all, and sausa just took the risk and claimed doctor. I admit its a low probability because I'm still suspecting you here...

[alimdia]

I've seen games with a backup tracker but no tracker, so having a doc enabler with no doctor is 'normal'

[alimdia]

Can we get a prod on Jake?

[alimdia]

Yeah I forgot the number but that was the case

[alimdia]

That wasn't a great response Jake..

[alimdia]

Gonna need to reread more stuff. Adorable and Sausa can I get some inputs?

[alimdia]

VOTE: Jake

[alimdia]

Not quite

[alimdia]

Jake was hammered already before he self voted.

[alimdia]

GG guys, that eth0s vig kill was a stroke of luck on our side, he somehow scum read me when I wasn't really playing off-town meta.

Didn't get any useful shit from the Voyeur power lol. I actually wanted a no-lynch on that MYLO, so we could kill the vig, and with my revised odd night fakeclaim watcher, I'd frame the scummiest looking person and 1v1 them.
But then er... the mod accepted the hammer after the deadline.

[alimdia]

My first loss in 2 years, i blundered that game pretty hard. I replaced out because I was disgusted by wake play at his lynch and just gave up efforting in a game where town doesn’t even give a shit.

Mafia played well in being neutral/non-controversial while town was especially hard to read this game. Well played to mafia.

@alim; i caught your logical step but I didnt think it was AI but it was; you were bussing while also shading town/pre-flip planning. You also faked a town slip very early on and I just haven’t seen scum fake such slip in years so I was biased. I also misread you interacting with content that wasn’t addresses to you as town being upset, but you were addressing content (iirc) about your partners and to manipulate the opinions of the town. Also that slip call was informed, i missed it. I was too busy trying to hunt other slots. Good game

@inv; erratic play but i couldn’t see your scum agenda, I think you were the less obvious mefia

@ark slot; i caught ark in like 5 posts via poe and meta, shouldve presses harder

Me calling out the invis slip wasn't really informed, I'd have done it as town too. However, I did massively fuck it up by saying it might be SvS afterwards.
What was my fake town slip? Can't really recall now

[alimdia]

No redactions on my part for scum PT

[alimdia]

Dang Billy why did you stop halfway. It was a really good read!

[alimdia]

I meant it was really good reading through it haha - the summary of every page, I haven't seen that before

[alimdia]

Well that wasn't what I was going for haha.

Night 1 my partners decided on rb
Night 2 I didn't want to kill Joey since he was wrong on his reads, that backfired when he replaced out
Night 3 forced to kill the vig

My dayplay is def better than my night play, looking back.