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First

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He’s just trying not to get night killed

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My first game on site 6 years ago, I faked a guilty in a newbie game on this guy ^ as town.

Good times.

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My first game on site 6 years ago, I faked a guilty in a newbie game on this guy ^ as town.

Good times.

HA! We got em!

6 years ago was 2014, your account was created in 2017. Now, I'm no geraintm but that math doesn't add up.

This isn’t my first account....you play in a good amount of the games I mod, you should know this

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Oh.

I’m 4 months off

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god I wish flavor never brought up that game. I just read that game. No wonder I hate him so much. He continually plays against his win condition in every game i have ever played with him.

I haven’t committed to a fake guilty since then, wut u talkin bout.

I only play to wincon

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That’s what newbie games are for. I wasnt even an SE then, that was legit like a first game on site

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Well, the playstyle’s coming out, so must be the place.

Alright, y’all, I’m starting to wanna fake claim as town again. Ready?

I’m an investigative.

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When I try and play like Jake does, I get mislynched. When I troll lol, i get obvtown read correctly.

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I like personal.

I feel the same way he does about my play to the majority of site’s play.

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Neg Neg neg

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Mafia orientated life is still a life

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I got nothing. No one looks scummy to me yet. I am useless at finding scum day 1 (I am 99% sure that any effort spent trying to decode players votes and posts day 1 is useless, and I am wish I could go into every game with a policy of being on every wagon going just to get this time over with), and it is a weekend so I am barely paying any attention to anything.

Find some town

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My anaconda dont

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First

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10th

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I’ll play eventually

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Who’s ready to be caught by the Leaf, say I

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Fun play. I wonder if it’s scum indicative. Looks like a last ditch attempt to try and fool le townies into going “oh FL hasn’t played what oh my should we do?! He’s prob scum!!!!”

And ya took the bait, gerry poo, ya took the damn bait

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I’m not playing badly. I just haven’t been playing, don’t get it twisted, fella.

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Jake’s town, don’t push it

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If it got to L-1, I was gonna Outta Nowhere Hammer

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Ejin

Stop pocket.

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To be fair, if Jake and i ever were a team, he would 100% still call for a flash wagon

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I have decided. Espressojet is...

Spoiler:

Fooled you

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Ejiinami
Jake from State Farm

Mavsfan
Aloratom
Brighteyedfish

UnaBombah
Egix
profii
*Emperor flippyNips
Espressojet

Bob

geraintm

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He got prodded in the player list

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Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: Bob[/unvote]

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VOTE: Bob

Hilarious.

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The answer is profii.

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I honestly can’t name a single significant happening this day phase.

Excited to move on now that y’all got your jimmies out of the way.

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Eh, I hammer like that all the time, regardless of alignment. Y’all had a boring Day 1, so I did my catchphrase when I could

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Me

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They were saying sweet nothings into my ear

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They were saying sweet nothings into my ear

Took a little connecting the dots, but I think I understand.

I get that the Day 1 quickhammer is your schtick, at least that's what you seem to indicate. Is that for particular games where you don't find Day 1 useful? If he had been higher in your list on 568 would you have held off?

It’s not just a Day 1 thing, but I also have a tendency to hard hard hard defend slots if I do think they’re town.

When I don’t think anything useful is happening in the day phase, I find it best to just move to the next day. I didn’t really have a strong read on Bob either way, and I thought there was a chance he was scum because of that. We had plenty to go off of for Day 1 that will likely help later in game.

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VOTE: Gera

I could see it too. Didn’t like their play when they were nearing lynch yesterday

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With Bob's flip, Geraintm doesn't make as much sense to me today as he did yesterday.

Bob is literally the counterwagon

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And I'm usually pretty content and less paranoid on things when Jake and I have similar reads.

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Going up in gsp is like a drug

VOTE: Geraintm

What from 120k to 125k?

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I was hoping for the Pam yup gif

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flavor looks scummy, espressojet too, and now emperor flippynips

This is interesting.

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BEF, one of Egix/Aloratom, then possibly Espresso for the scum team is standing out to me.
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I may not want Gera anymore

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aloratom (3) ~ egix96,

ejjinami, bob3141

This wagon is the other wagon when Bob got lynched.

Probably indicative of scum being somewhere here, and I think I’m happy to go Alora today.

VOTE: Aloratom

Egix has scum equity, but I think positioning wise it makes more sense for Alora to be scum here?

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I also don’t really like that Mavsfan post, but I’m not sure why I don’t like it right now.

The fact that Espressojet, myself, and FlippyNips was brought up all in the same post makes me think there’s some equity there for EspressoJet-Mavs team, but I’ll need more to really warrant pushing that further.

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I can see one of Boon/Jake/Mavs being scum.
It's a shame really that I don't want to say much else about them yet, except that the order here would matter.

Boon - you do realize I would always check you N1 if I was an investigative?

All you did in this post is confirm you aren’t an investigative.

FOS: UnaBombah

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Uhhhhhhh, my new banner, I’m in lovvvvveeeeee

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aloratom (3) ~ egix96,

ejjinami, bob3141

This wagon is the other wagon when Bob got lynched.

Probably indicative of scum being somewhere here, and I think I’m happy to go Alora today.

VOTE: Aloratom

Egix has scum equity, but I think positioning wise it makes more sense for Alora to be scum here?

This logic isn't necessarily bad, but can't vote somebody just on wagon analysis alone so not a solid vote

You can vote someone based on that and see how people react to it, and read gamestate after that

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We know each other in real life.

Just went rock climbing with Espresso and Flippy.

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I’m already on the wagon. It feels like a mislynch.

Let’s go here.

VOTE: Egix

UnaBombah is probably scum for that Gera timing of a vote, which makes Gera likely town.

That’s not something I’m actually scum reading him for currently, but I want that in my ISO to quote later in the game to see if it makes sense after some flips.

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Una could be saving scum buddy Gera or could be chainsawing me because I just went on their scum partner.

Egix is likely scum with Una, but I’ll focus on Egix for now, and not associate just yet

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It’s Egix and UnaBombah.

However, I actively feel like there’s an above average chance of Una/FL being T/T because of the fact we’re going at each other.

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My scum confidence is very real

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Aloratom, Mavsfan, Espressojet

Way too early solve

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VOTE: Espresso

I know what I said about 1107, but I'm feeling this much more than an Alora/Gera vote rn.

This vote seems scum motivated seeing that there could be mislynch potential in EJ.

This also leaves open Aloratom town for another day, which is better for scum Egix because Town flip on Aloratom means that he's the only unknown on the Aloratom wagon.

This is scum

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Idk. I don’t think his play makes sense as scum. It feels like random town. He has troll fun posts, but that’s NAI, and the first posting is just, like, ya gotta do it.

So just cut out any posts like that, and mix in the stuff he’s said, I actually think it’s town indicative.

This is in combination with feeling either Egix or Aloratom have scum in them, so lynching Egix can now help figure out both EJet and Alora.

Egix is the best lynch

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I'm probably not moving off of Egix, maybe I'd go Aloratom, but I feel like Alora just brings me right back to Egix.

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I don’t think it contradicts, at the very least.

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Political stances for game state warranting, and a shade rather than an understanding of the case based on said Wagonomics.

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Interesting.

Egix states he realized he had this coming at him at some point, so he 7nderatands why people would push him, the. Goes to say scum are going to see him as a mislynch candidate, however I’ve been essentially the only one pushing him besides Ejet’s recent hop, which I believe makes sense from a townJet as well

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Alora Tom wagon from Day 1, mavs

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I've got a little Egix blind spot because we just played a game where he kept quiet all game but by the end we all knew he was the vig and I couldnt do anything about it as scum and town knew too... so maybe im biased by his activity again

Alora Tom wagon from Day 1, mavs

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aloratom (3) ~ egix96,

ejjinami, bob3141

This wagon is the other wagon when Bob got lynched.

Probably indicative of scum being somewhere here, and I think I’m happy to go Alora today.

VOTE: Aloratom

Egix has scum equity, but I think positioning wise it makes more sense for Alora to be scum here?

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And then i switched off of alora, which means it’s egix

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The Aloratom wagon from yesterday had Egix, Ejinami, and Bob.

That was the other wagon besides Bob, bob flipped town, scum don’t like to be all on the same wagon generally, so there’s likely scum on that wagon, which is Egix since Ejinami and Bob was killed.

Alternatively, Aloratom is scum, and they killed Ejinami to relieve pressure off of themselves, and maybe make it look like Egix is scum.

Regardless, I think it’s incredibly likely for scum to be in the 2 of them. I’m not even taking out the possibility that they are both scum even, but i think at least 1 scum is in between the two of them, and I think it’s a strong enough possibility to lynch Egix right here based almost entirely on wagonomics alone.

There’s more to it, but that’s by far the strongest reason.

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Egix isn’t even on aloratom anymore, so I easily think they both could be scum, but Egix more likely than Aloratom.

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"I have Egix down as scum. I think lynching aloratom will confirm this"

That's a weird thing to say

Go back and read the posts on aloratom and egix together, I clearly have then as a pair. Extracting a single line can always be made to look weird.

I’m with you, I can see it. I’d like Egix first, though.

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I'm gonna hard push Egix tomorrow if we dont do it today, so

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Literally zero reasons to go Alora first over Egix

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If Egix flips scum, someone investigate Profii

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Hell, even if Egix flips town.

Thats just off by Profii

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Good hammer

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Y’all can’t read a subtle guilty for anything.

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Profii has extremely high scum equity.

Remember me!

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Gera, Jake, Espressojet, EFN, Alora are all town on the scum flip.

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Profii was trying to get both Alo and Gera before claiming intent here for Egix, probably allowing him to claim to get out of a lynch.

Alo and Gera were the other suspects who could have possibly been wagon’d.

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VOTE: Aloratom

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Actually, I’ll just sheep Rob here because Aloratom never end games now.

VOTE: Ger

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Now watch Boon call me scum and Derpy call me dumb. Or the other way around. I don't care.

This is the only reason I think you're scum here really, tbh. It seems like you're playing a scum game baiting me to scum read you. Like, you're using an MMO ability where you gain all our traction.

And Robb and I have plenty of games where we both live as town/town. In fact, most of are games are town/town and we get to end game and we win.

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I'm Robb's favorite teammate.

He's good cop, I'm bad cop.

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espressojet, unabombah, brighteyedfish, geraintm, 2 of these 4

And Aloratom

Is the scum team.

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I’ll lynch Aloratom right now.

I’m just town Una, if you’re town, I’m wrong. I’m not confident I’m right with scum you anyways

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I actually don't think Gera is scum either, I just put him in the POE because on a technical level.

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I could also be wrong there, and I'm willing to accept it more because I town read Robb

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It was the other wagon when Bob was going. The people on Aloratom end of Day 1 were Egix, Ejinami, Bob, all have flipped town.

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BEF/una/Ejet are in my 2 of 4 place, so I agree there's scum on that wagon

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Plus Aloratom

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I feel flips would have posted more if he were scum.

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I feel flips would have posted more if he were scum.

My main scum reference point for him is that Booneytoonz game when I was renegade and EFN was the day 1 scum lynch after like half a dozen posts... so what makes you say that?

That was like his 2nd game, and he already doesn’t do many big theme games. Look at newbie games/normal games with him

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VOTE: Aloratom

If Aloratom is town, Gera/Profii is probably the team abusing my way off reads.

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Good stuff.

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Pretty sure they're L-1.

Someone hammer

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You were already on it

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why those two?

Mavs was my strongest Town read Day 1, and the way Day 2 ended I figured if Egix flipped red, Flavor was likely onto something and would be a target.

I can't hunt it down right now, but I crumbed. Espresso Day 1 I think said something about Aloe Vera (me). I quoted and said something about Aloe Vera being healing.

Now I really have to go to the office.

If Egix flipped red

Night 2 happened afterwards.

This also doesn't confirm us because technically his shot isn't known to have gone through. Interesting

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i kinda buy it

Fuck it.

UNVOTE: Aloratom

At least for now. How much time we have on deadline?

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I think floppy's town, and possibly correct about Alora.

I don't think he defends a partner going down like that if he were scum

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Tom very well could still be scum, but I don't think floppy's a paRtner.
.it autocorrects to floppy for me, so

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I think it's Unah, guys...and Unah's already setting up for a mislynch.

Gera/Una/Profii/BEF probably have all 3 scum if Alora is town.

Ejet could be there, but I finally started getting town vibes from his Alora push, even if Alora is town.

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I think floppy's town, and possibly correct about Alora.

I don't think he defends a partner going down like that if he were scum

You and I both know that Floppy isn't experienced enough to know better

He's won a few scum games on site.

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He's even been the highest poster in some of them.

He did a JK Gambit if I remember correctly In a newbie game as scum

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Y’all wanna just mass claim?

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I think EJet and Robb are in a TvT.

If EJet is scum, he’s playing Robb and the gamestate extremely well, which I don’t think is out of the possibility.

Worst case scenario is 3 scum were on Bob, and Alora and Gera are both town.

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Y’all wanna just mass claim?

No

Why? Ejet’s already been crumbing anyways. Mass claim might make Gera more likely to be lynched today than Alora.

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The amount of games I could solve day 1 if people just liked to mass claim.

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I town read you on that HitAlt game, which is why it surprised you when I vigged you.

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If anything, I always opposite read you

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But you are aware of it. Meaning that you really can read me when it counts. You know.

Well, it doesn’t count yet, i haven’t truly pushed you at all

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Nah. Una doesn't trust that route anymore because I'm aware of it after that one time they did it.

They tried it again and got hard vig shot for it, which lent itself to my HitAlt sit quote, their alt

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I'm hesitant to push Profii, but I am starting to feel like they're scum, and I feel like I have no good reason for that, and I feel I have no good reason for good reason, if that makes sense.

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Still L-2

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VOTE: Alora

Real L-1 now.

Loyal Doctor is unconfirmable bar a block/tracker/voyeur/follower/watcher

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You were already on alora

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I still want to lynch Alora, the Alora Gera vote is scummy, but if Alora is town and Gera is town. Scum probably win this one.

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Yeah, I'm a GOAT. Nice last ditch attempt to turn it, though.

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Wait, 2067 was Musicals.
I was town that game.

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That's the game I vig shot Unabombah clutch.

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Flippy, while I think is still town, the Una vote raises scum equity with Aloratom.

Profii/Gera makes sense if Alora is town.

Hmm...I just think alora's scum right now, I'll try to not do associations.

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I still don’t understand where the al scum read cane from. Nobody has provided good reasons for it. It’s bob and egix all over again.

I feel like I provided solid reasons for both Egix and Alora.

Egix was the only unflipped on Alora Day 1, counterwagon of Bob. Now that counterwagon of Alora, is all flipped, and they're all town.

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@Robb - that requires me to be dead to get to you, which honestly, is probably coming

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Alora claimed loyal doctor, but they targeted me last night. I just pushed through the Egix Lynch that day, and specifically stated if Egix is town, Alora is scum.

They were trying to appease me because I'm the biggest Aloratom pusher right now

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I think this game is stagnated because Alora is scum, and scum just have to accept they're eventually going down

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Assuming Alo is scum

Scum very likely not on wagon

That leaves:
-Una (who has mocked me a little too much for my read, very scummy imho)
-Robbnva (who I could not believe is feasibly scum with this much toxicity)
-BEF
-Flippynips

My bet is on the remaining 2/3 being Una+Flippy/BEF leaning flippy

Please, Robb. I know we've had disagreements, but if you truly are town, scum won't lynch scum, we need your vote. I'm asking you to take a risk that could solve the game right now

I could see Profii as bussing here.

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Una, this is extremely reminiscent of the last time we were TvT.

FlippyNips wall seems solid, idk if it's the right conclusion, but I like the progression.

I don't have anything on BEF. Also there are strong anti BEF/FlippyNips associations.

I think it's Alora/Profii right now

It could be BEF.

If Alora is town, it's probably Profii/Gera.

Something's off about Profii but I can't really case them, and that's something I don't like.

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Their hammer confusion, L-1 confusion seems fake and setup, as does the entirety of them being on Alora.

He was at the beginning of the wagon, now he's at the end.

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I think I’m gonna stay on Alora today. He’s a Loyal Doctor, so he can’t be confirmed really too easily.

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Would there only be 2 scum still with this many people?

I was assuming there’s still 3

I forgot we haven’t hit scum yet. Mixed with another game.

There’s probably 3. I can’t really make whole teams without more flips, though

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Regular doctor is less believable, I feel.

I also feel like there’s zero chance he targeted me, and he’s doing that to appease to me.

I hard pushed through Egix mislynch yesterday, and specifically stated that Aloratom or Egix was scum, why would he protect me?

Egix, Ejinami, Bob were all on Aloratom Day 1 when Bob was lynched. They’ve all flipped town. So if Aloratom is town, then that means they had an all town wagon on them, and it confirms 2 scum at the very least on Bob, if Gera is town, it’s confirmed 3 on Bob, however if Alora is town, why would all 3 scum need to be on Bob?

Alora and Gera are the 2 alive not on Bob, so if there’s scum off the Bob wagon, which is likely, it has to be one of them. I think it’s more likely Alora

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It’s the wagon on Alora from day 1, really.

Like I see the Gera case, I just personally don’t think Gera is scum. If Alora flipped red, would you still push Gera?

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It’s just weird as town, and makes more sense scum making it up to try to get me to ease from voting them, especially because I had invited around the time too

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I don't understand how people think Alora protecting me after I was coming after him is seen as townie.

Also, I don't understand how people can see 3 flipped townies on the counterwagon of Bob Day 1, and not want to kill Alora

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Nah, FlippyNips said I was town he's got like 100% read accuracy on me :shrug:

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With that Alor self hammer, does that mean that scum is off the wagon? That would mean scum is in Robb, Nippy and Una.

Ejet played really well.

Aloratom claimed doctor specifically to out him. He was a strong man so he knew there was a protective.

Scum is on the wagon and off.

VOTE: Profii

This is the busser.

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Also, Happy birthday at Patty's day flip nips

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Honestly, I think Ame, Robb, Una are town.

Profii->BrightEyedFish->FlippyNips is the Lynch path I would like to take.

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Woah, I’m getting pushed after that Aloratom push. That’s something.

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To be more clear on FL's slip it was more that he knew Alo was scum and forgot that he needed a third of Alo

wasn't

scum.

That’s not how I scum slip. I scum slip through PT’s only.

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And I did know Alo was scum.

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@Unah - I think it’s time for us to just go Super Town on these guys, and accept the other town because I think if you’re town, this game has been getting positioned for us to stay 1v1ing and is now going to fuller.

I hope you can see I was town from that Alora push

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Oh, wow, I’m going to end up being our final mislynch.

Ame is probably going next.

Permission to choose the next lynches if I go down quietly?

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The team’s brighteyedfish and Profii.

Kill BEF tomorrow.

I’ll even self vote here.

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@Una - I’m leaving this to you.

Don’t kill Ame.

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Like actually, do not let scum take advantage of Robb tunnel on Ame slot

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Woah, I’m getting pushed after that Aloratom push. That’s something.

profii was pushing him as much as you wasn't he? What makes you two different?

BEF/Ame tag team hup cha

I brought this up yesterday, Profii was not pushing him as much as I was, but they were trying to appear so.

They were just faking a little too much, and it’s never more obvious than the fake hammer.

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FL is the only player on all 3 lynch wagons.

You speak of experience, but if you were town, you should know that this only happens when I am town.

I recently just finished a game where I was on all 5 wagons of the game, mislynches and non mislynches. Hell, I even was essentially the leader of pushing all 5 of the wagons that ended up, kind of similar to here. Except I didn’t lead on Bob.

I definitely lead the other 2, though.

What purpose does me bringing up the vote count analysis as scum do? I literally doomed Alora to death if I were scum with them.

Like, all that did was get a kill on Egix, not worth losing a scum tbh.

You should also know by now that I do not bus pointlessly.

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So if you’re going to play the “he should know by now by experience card” you gotta do it two ways

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What this VCA has managed to do, is sell me even more on the fact that profii is likely town.

How so...?

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Okay, like, whichever of Una/Profii is the town in you guys, I feel like you should be blatantly helping me right now.

Also, if you think that I ever play this card as scum with either of you, like come on.

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I’m sorry that I truly believe one of you are scum, and I have absolutely no idea which of you.

But I do see that not both of you are scum, so whichever are town of you, I need NEED you to bail me out of this. In no world would I ever blatantly attempt to make a fool of either of you in this scenario as scum.

Like, I have mislynched both of you on occasion as town, I've been able to accurately read you as town sometimes too. I am not able to do so right now, so please PLEASE just help me out here whichever of you are town.

I deadass need you to obv town for me, so we can mindmeld and solve.

Like I said, I NEVER would do this and leave you this vulnerable if I were scum here, and I feel you two specifically should know this.

FlippyNips has essentially never been wrong when he has confidently town read me before, which makes sense because I see him all the time in real life.

Espressojet is another person I've know for 6+ years, and he was strong town reading me as well, and we played another game on here recently, and we also strongly town read each other there.

The sake of the game needs the town of you guys to see that I am town here, and see that I never ask you to do this as scum.

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Here's the thing, I don't think the team is BEF/Ame.

I also don't think FlippyNips is scum. It just doesn't make sense for him to town read me like that as scum, and his posts when he did work seem extremely genuine. His gut reads are stronger than you'd think. He did avoid going on Aloratom, but I feel like he just didn't understand the reasoning for the wagon. He also posted about forgetting BEF was in this game, and I don't think that' fake, which is an anti association.

I was pushing Aloratom due to VCA for so long.

Gera/Ame is the only person left alive not on the initial Bob wagon, so I feel like there's some indication there that they are not scum, meaning there are 2 scum on Bob, which I think makes sense.

BrightEyedFish is one of the scum. I'm pretty confident in that.

BrightEyedFish, Ame, FL, Una, Profii, Robb, flippyNips.

I feel strongly that Ame and Flippynips are town right now.

If both of you are town, which I am starting to think is a strong possibility, then the team is exactly BrightEyedFish/Robbvna. This makes sense as a team because it allows BEF to push me right now alongside Ame expecting one of you 2 to join the wagon, Robb gets to reason finishing me off, which allows Ame to take all the pressure tomorrow for pushing me here, and it sets up Robb to freely push that slot since I have been actively defending the slot for days.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I also hope you see the genuine analysis I'm doing in my head right now to go from "thinking one of you guys are scum" to seeing both of you are likely town. I need you guys to trust that I am town here. I have never played a card like this as scum, and I hope you see that I would never use this card against the two of you. Please see that I am town.

Also, please let me know your thoughts on BEF/Robb.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum!FL would totally pull a stunt like that with Alor

@Una/Profii - That's not me bussing, that is not how I bus.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't think BEF realizes the history between us as players, and how well you two actually know me.

[Flavor Leaf]

What this VCA has managed to do, is sell me even more on the fact that profii is likely town.

How so...?

I thought profiis positioning on the wagons was more or less reasonable throughout..? No?

I'm actually solidly sold on TownProfii now. Like one second I'm super paranoid of it, the next I'm like, nah, he's town, and if Una's seeing Profii as super townie, and Una is town (which I am actually a little less sure about than ProfiiTown, but I don't feel I live this day phase ever if you are scum here) then I essentially have to believe you are town, which means Profii is also town.

Also, frankly, you're right. Occam's razor, I'm not alive here still if you are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it's BEF and Robb. Aloratom's hammer suggests there's at least 1 scum off their wagon, and honestly scum staying off the wagon makes sense because of how hard it was to finish Aloratom off.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel the team of BEF/Robb drastically underestimated the ability of the 3 of us to see each other as town.

FlippyNips gains absolutely nothing from calling me lock town and then saying "he can read me like a book" only to have to backtrack on it later if he is to get rid of me, which I don't even believe is on his plans.

The Lynch path is Ame pushes me here, BEF took advantage and gave it momentum. One of Una/Profii give in and vote me, Robb hammers so he can "get his Ame slot lynch" the next day, which Ame also can take a lot of blame after I flip, which sets up Ame as tomorrow's lynch and the win for the scum team, and Robb can look clean from it because he's been pushing the slot, tunneling, all game, which is something he's attempting to recreate and coast off of based on his town game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have never played a card like this as scum, and I hope you see that I would never use this card against the two of you. Please see that I am town.

I meant to say I have never played a card like this towards you guys as scum, I have made some plays like this with people I am less connected with.

[Flavor Leaf]

Spoiler:

I'm glad we finally have a wagon to start picking apart:

Vote count 1.FINAL

bob3141 (7) ~

unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm, espressojet, flavor leaf

aloratom (3) ~

egix96,

ejjinami, bob3141

geraintm (1) ~

aloratom

flavor leaf (1) ~

geraintm

brighteyedfish (1) ~

mavsfan41

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-01 10:31:46)

mod notes:

-

It hard for me to imagine that there is not at least 1 scum on that Bob wagon.

That leaves:
unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm, espressojet, flavor leaf

FL hammer is a FL hammer. I wish this was AI but FL could still go other way. This is where his meta helps him as both alignments. So I will remove him (and myself) for my current PoE

profii, jake from state farm, espressojet

Una and (lurky) Nippy are still null for me right now:

profii, jake from state farm, espressojet

Jake could still be SvS with FL, I don't want to let this go entirely just yet.

iirc profii was SR by Ejji and I have experience with scum!profii but I'm not for sure if profii is a scum who kills people who SRs him.

Also, that L-1 from EJ was the worst vote out of the entire wagon.

As much as I hate to say it;

We learn nothing from lynching a lurker today unless they flip scum

Which is statistically unlikely

Your assessment on Bob being active and posting is actually a valid reason to make this our day 1 lynch

Whatever the flip, we learn in retrospect

VOTE: Bob

May his sacrifice not be in vain

The last line is a scum slip imo. He knew bob was a "sacrifice" but forgot to check his tone. I'm starting here D2 but I feel very confident that this is the best lynch if we want to focus on bob's wagon.

VOTE: espressojet

aloratom (3) ~ egix96,

ejjinami, bob3141

This wagon is the other wagon when Bob got lynched.

Probably indicative of scum being somewhere here, and I think I’m happy to go Alora today.

VOTE: Aloratom

Egix has scum equity, but I think positioning wise it makes more sense for Alora to be scum here?

How would positioning on Alor's wagon make Alor scum? Wouldn't that meam Scum!Egix = Scum!Alor and not the other way around. Or am I misunderstanding this post.

There are too many distractions.

The problem is people are letting me v germ distract them. If people talk about other things/people and ignore us then people can do things. Flavor has basically ignored it.

Ultimately people need to state a scum read (s) and provide reasons why. I have set my germ push aside (unless others start voting) so now I wait to see what people have to add.

I did with EJ and I don't know if that's why you are voting there but I think it has merit.

VOTE: EspressoJet

Or we could just all gang up on BEF for not following the flock..

VOTE: geraintm

Ok. I'll follow the flock. But if this wagon fizzles out AGAIN will you join me on EJ?

People who have not weighed in about egix:
-BEF
-Geraintm
-His Majesty Lord High Emperor Flippynips

I know it's the weekend, but the deadline is starting to close in and I don't want to have to lynch out of compromise

I don't have a problem with lynching Egix today due to the VCA case on him. However, EJ being on the wagon is strange to me. If EJ bails on this wagon if it gets close to a lynch then I will park my vote on EJ until he is lynched.

VOTE: Egix

that wasn't a fake hammer or anything, if anyone is going to get all weird about it

Sure

mod has been editing posts with vote counts, and the votes on aloratom flicked between 1 and 2 and whilst on phone I didn't check well enough.

you can look for malice in everything I want to do if you wish, but why on earth would I be faking a hammer?

You are the only one acting weird about it. Makes me think you know how Alor will flip.

But since it wasn't the hammer I will give my intent to hammer if no claim comes.

@geraintm, flavor leaf, profii (people on the Alor wagaon, besides EJ)

Would any of you consider voting EJ With me? I wish you would believe me here.

I've done my analysis

Good luck have fun

Alo - BEF - Una

See y'all in endgame chat

I believe Alor's claim more than this lol.

Then why did you ask for the doc to get on you tonight?

VOTE: Espressojet

Espresso gets the doc lynched today. Then gets turbo lynched tomorrow. Scum is still in the winning seat lol. Don't fall for this.

With that Alor self hammer, does that mean that scum is off the wagon? That would mean scum is in Robb, Nippy and Una.

All these posts are BEF-Aloratom indicative pairings. He constantly was using VCA but ignored the Aloratom aspect of it all, which I was clearly pushing the entire time. I even pushed Egix based on the same VCA when I was saying Aloratom or Egix had a scum in them.

He also was constantly trying to push Espressojet, which in hindsight looks like he was trying to discredit, hatchet or chainsaw EJet because Ejet was fighting with his most likely partner, Robb.

Also, if you look back at BEF's entire ISO, Look how much andhow he interacts with Robb/Jake from State Farm. He interacts with him a lot, even calling him scum on multiple occasions. He brought up a lot of Robb vs FL SvS posts, and even pushed a FL-EJ-Robb team once, so he constantly had Robb there, but never once pushed. He even went and sheeped him multiple times.

Still, the biggest reason why BEF is scum is his positioning in regards to Aloratom. He tried hard to not have him be killed even ignoring simple VCA, while using VCA to do other things, including vote Egix. He voted Egix, used VCA, yet flat out ignored voting Aloratom for the same reason, and even tried defending Aloratom.

BrightEyedFish is scum, and Robb is the likely partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also don’t like the way he wifom defends himself all the time. Instead of manning up he’s always “id never do that as town “ or “if I was scum I’d do this”. Like shut up and defend your play. Don’t bring up meta. The fact he’s tossing my name out there makes him look desperate.

This is a different kind of meta.

This is the BoonaBombah and ProFlavor bond meta.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I feel like Rob's annoyed that this is a thing because it screws him over, and his defense of it is "I'd hate it regardless of alignment" which is scumsourgrapes.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can save it. I don’t really care what you have to say about anything

To be fair, I'm not exactly saying things for you to see them. I believe you're scum, and now your scum partner is coming into fight the battle.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't think this is a BEF mislynch, to be fair.

[Flavor Leaf]

Town you doesn't push me here.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you think I’m scum lynch me. I’m only voting ame the rest of the game so I don’t really care what you think about me. If I’m wrong about ame I’m going go cost town the game.

To be fair, I am less sure on your slot than I am BEF's here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, worst case scenario, we somehow let Scum FlippyNips win this game as the last scum alive

I am town reading him confidently, but like...yeah

[Flavor Leaf]

Town you doesn't push me here.

Is this at me?

No.

[Flavor Leaf]

Still, the biggest reason why BEF is scum is his positioning in regards to Aloratom. He tried hard to not have him be killed even ignoring simple VCA, while using VCA to do other things, including vote Egix. He voted Egix, used VCA, yet flat out ignored voting Aloratom for the same reason, and even tried defending Aloratom.

Tell me why I should have believed EJ's claim over Alor's? EJ even asked the doc to save him in the night... It didn't add up. It was that I tried to save Alor, I would have rather had EJ as the lynch.

Tell me why I strong push Aloratom as scum by way of VCA for 2 day phases instead of ignoring it like you...?

[Flavor Leaf]

I was 100% correct by the way, and I knew I was. ScumMe has absolutely no reason to bus Aloratom there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, Ejet was confidently confidently town reading me, and we're in odds. Why would I ever kill Espressojet? A doc save wouldn't have added another Lynch, and I could have just avoided where he was protecting.

You're looking at reasons why I could be scum, why don't you look at the reasons why I AM town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Town you doesn't push me here.

You're probably right but if you are going to make this you v me then its a no-brainer who I choose. But its like, how can I back down now? Either you are town and backing down can save us from a mislynch or Iback down from scum!you and you will never let me hear the end of it.

What do you mean if I'm going to do this?


You pushed me. I just solved you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t threaten self hammer. I offered to volunteer myself as tribute. There’s a big difference.

I have unvolunteered, btw

[Flavor Leaf]

@Robb - say we lynched Ame, they flipped scum. Who do you go next?

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm, mavsfan's final post was telling me that he thinks that there is 1 scum in Egix/Una.

Is it Una/Ame...?

[Flavor Leaf]

Quick note:
Mavsfan seems to be solving in a kinda passive and active way at the same time. His analysis posts seem detailed and he surely put some effort into them but it doesn’t feel as if he’s trying to control the lynch. He seems fine with just flying under the radar and waiting for others to maybe agree or disagree with his pushes. This is likely not AI in any way, considering for how long he has been playing, I really wouldn't be surprised to see that from either alignment.
It’s probably still worth noting tho

VOTE: Aloratom

I see your still voting geraintm with your rvs vote. You have ben posting all the while its steadily reached l-1.

yet no real attempt to sort him or move the lynch off else where.

Only post whre you talk about an alignment is when you say that one of mav posts look towny. At no point who you think might be scum.

Why you think geraintn is scum

Actually, I'm going to take a look at espressojet. He's had that vote on himself for a long time now, and it's weird.

VOTE: espressojet

...:/
VOTE: aloratom

That’s probably my first real scum-read...
The post feels like the very definition of scum trying to fly under the radar. If the scum-read on espresso was genuine, I find it kinda weird that he’d only remember it now, while quoting bob’s post. It looks like he just realized that he was scum-read, posted some random stuff without thinking, just to not get lynched immediately, and started lurking again.

That should probably correct regardless of his alignment...

Can someone talk to me about how he plays as town?

Well, this is why Ejinami died.

He probably had good reads all around the board then.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like one of BEF/Una halve to be scum, and I’d rather lynch BEF first to figure that out.

The team could even be BEF/Una, but I think Una/Rob can even make sense.

Something that’s been sticking out to me is FlippyNips gut reads being strong, but he doesn’t ever know how to explain it so it’s not really dangerous, and he voted Una in place of Aloratom yesterday. I also don’t see that as Scum with Aloratom because it’s so blatant.

Una/Rob
BEF/Una
BEF/Rob
Una/Ame

The scum team is one of these.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Una - you gotta show me you’re town. I want to town read you.

[Flavor Leaf]

For the record, FlippyNips in a normal game I modded essentially was scum reading both scum members individually, but doesn’t have the reasonings to back up usually, so it’s not even that dangerous to scum, and in fact can help scum hide.

This is a big reason why I stated Una was less of a town read for me than Profii. On top of that, I feel there’s a more than decent chance of Una playing the mutual scum read card with me as scum against me. However, the last time Una risked keeping me alive, I got a big one over on him.

Robb and BEF both come off as townie in some of their posts, but at this point no matter who is scum that is the case for.

Gera replaced out after a scum flip that would have essentially cleared him as scum if he were scum, so annoyingly, that isn’t seen as a likely scum slot for me, but nonetheless it’s still in the pairing potential.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the order of potential scum teams for me currently are:

BEF/Robb
Robb/Una
BEF/Una
Una/Ame

BEF/Ame
Robb/FlippyNips
Profii/FlippyNips
Profii/Ame
Profii/Una

With The bottom half essentially being things I don’t really think are the scum team, but for clarity’s sake.

I don’t think BEF is ever scum with FlippyNips. I don’t think Rob is ever scum with Ame. Profii is never scum with Robb or BEF.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also don’t think Flippy is ever scum with Una.

[Flavor Leaf]

Big question is did BEF unvote me because he needed to seem townie and thought he might lose the fight against me because I had a correct solve too, or if he actually started considering me as townie as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think a Robb scum flip clears Profii and Ame completely.

[Flavor Leaf]

And makes a lot of sense considering Espresso vs Robb.

Una also constantly stated “why is everyone giving Robb a pass?” Which i could definitely see coming from scum Una to scum Rob.

I think Robb today is probably the best play.

[Flavor Leaf]

I believe Alor's claim more than this lol.

Then why did you ask for the doc to get on you tonight?

VOTE: Espressojet

I don’t think scum makes this post.

This could be a TMI pocket attempt on BEF, because if Rob/Una then it makes sense to keep this BEF connection. BEF flips town, that’s good for Rob, Rob flips scum, bad for BEF.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Profii

[Flavor Leaf]

Vote count 3.FINAL

aloratom (5) ~

espressojet, geraintm, flavor leaf, profii, aloratom

geraintm (1) ~

robbnva

espressojet (1) ~

brighteyedfish

unabombah (1) ~

emperor flippynips

not voting (1) ~

UnaBombaH

with 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-03-21 20:42:25)

mod notes:

- thanks rc for helping out with vcs! joint mod iso

aloratom has been lynched! he was a

Spoiler:

mafia 1-shot strongman

it is now night 3. night actions should be submitted by pm or pt

deadline for night actions: (expired on 2020-03-17 14:01:18)

All town wagon minus Alora makes sense here because Tom self hammering means there’s scum 100% off the wagon. And let’s be honest. We KNOW for a fact at least 1 scum is off the wagon because we couldn’t get the damn lynch forever, which mixed with the self vote, could even mean 2 scum off the wagon, which is insanely strong for a scum team to push a bussing theory. The thing that gives Robb/Una less likely is BEF/Ame were on me, and Una/Robb could have pushed for an end day more.

BEF/Rob/Una 100% have scum in them is something that we can essentially say without a doubt based on the fact that there is definitely not 3 scum on the Aloratom wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

bob3141

(7) ~ ] unabombah, profii, brighteyedfish, emperor flippynips, jake from state farm,

espressojet

,

flavor leaf

Egix

(6) ~

flavor leaf

,

espressojet

, unabombah, brighteyedfish, geraintm, robbnva

aloratom

(5) ~

espressojet

, geraintm, flavor leaf, profii,

aloratom

Honestly, Espressojet deserves a lot of the credit, if not the majority of the credit for Aloratom.

And I genuinely do feel that Gera and a Profii were also hard pushing, so I think this has a high chance of being an all town wagon.

Why not just kill Rob if Gera were scum? Una had given the out with the “why would Robb and FL both be alive here”.

There’s multiple ways to spin it.

Robb, BEF, Una are on both mislynches, and off the scum lynch as well. As opposed to myself and Profii being on all 3.

I also don’t think that Profii ever goes through with towning me here as scum unless the scum team is exactly Profii/Una, which I don’t believe it is, because they still could have just killed me off, by night kill or by lynch, and done stuff. If that’s the team, I do t ever survive this day phase, so I don’t believe that’s it.

Una/Rob, Una kept stating FL/Robb never die here, and pushing the “why are people giving Rob a pass”. Is this town Rob?

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Robb today is probably the best play.

if ame isn't being lynched, then I agree

This is what gives me pause on Robb. I generally felt like I town read him all game.

We should probably mass claim with the 3 of you guys going first, followed by Ame.

[Flavor Leaf]

BEF/Robb
Robb/Una
BEF/Una
Una/Ame

It has to be one of these teams. Maybe BEF/Ame gets thrown in there as well.

I actually don’t know the order of what I think they are either. If we can successfully town read a single slot out of these correctly, which is likely a 50% chance at random, so we can probably do better than that, then we win this game.

I might even be leaning Una/Ame right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why does BEF unvote me here as scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

BEF/Robb
Robb/Una
BEF/Una
Una/Ame
BEF/Ame

Rob/Ame are never S/S, but they can be T/T.

An Una town flip means BEF is scum, and a BEF town flip means Una is scum.

Una and BEF are never TvT here, and they can even be S/S.

If we can hit the scum in Una/BEF today, then I think we win because we can deal with Robb/Ame because we’ll have a mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we can hit the scum in Una/BEF today, then I think we win because we can deal with Robb/Ame because we’ll have a mislynch.

This is wrong because a scum flip from Una/BEF doesn’t clear the other, a town flip guilties them, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am town. the fact that flavor is flipping and thinking I could be scum, definitely gives me pause, that plus the "slipping" thing eaerlie but i still am not voting him which is REALLY hard for me because usually I would love to lynch flavor. Today really needs to be me or germ, once that is sorted everything else makes sense.

I’m actually leaning that the team is Una/BEF or Una/Ame right now.

Thing is, Rob, if you’re wrong on Gera, and you’re town, we lose.

[Flavor Leaf]

This day phase hasn’t even started yet, ugh.

I know exactly how it’s about to play out.

Today is an Una vs FL day, and if Una is town, that’s really rough

[Flavor Leaf]

but i still am not voting him which is REALLY hard for me because usually I would love to lynch flavor.

This also gives me townie vibes from Rob, mixed in with my read throughout the majority of the game.

Robb never has lynched me, not that I can remember, b3cause he usually sees that I’m town despite wanting to lynch me, and he’s even defended me because of it multiple times.

Also, I just realized something. Guess who the 2 players in this game were that kept putting emphasis on Robb/FL pairing of some fashion.

BEF/Una.

BEF kept trying to say we were S/S, and Una kept pushing the “why haven’t either of them died?” mindset.

Ugh, i feel like logically Una is scum, but I really don’t want to mislynch them if I’m wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am town. the fact that flavor is flipping and thinking I could be scum, definitely gives me pause, that plus the "slipping" thing eaerlie but i still am not voting him which is REALLY hard for me because usually I would love to lynch flavor. Today really needs to be me or germ, once that is sorted everything else makes sense.

I’m actually leaning that the team is Una/BEF or Una/Ame right now.

Thing is, Rob, if you’re wrong on Gera, and you’re town, we lose.

which is why we need to lynch or ame today.

If you’re wrong on Ame, you’re likely lynched tomorrow, which is a loss.

[Flavor Leaf]

ebwop - I don't think you have ever been close to a lynch before is why I have never lynched you.

I was L-2 earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also feel both Ame and Una were trying to setup a Flippy/FL pairing, possibly because the scum team could have thought we were masons starting yesterday, and wanted to lynch within us. Espressojet likely doctored me, so they couldn’t kill me off, and they weren’t going to kill Flippy over the Doctor for me to be permanently night protected.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fl.

Germain is close to lynch already and I am fine with that, but a flash on FL would be cool.

Isn't that kind of reckless? I guess I'd prefer a more methodical approach than a everyone jump on the lurker one.

Subtle defense.

@Profii - Am I insane for thinking Robb might just be correct on Ame slot?

[Flavor Leaf]

And the reason for BEF unvoting comes into play.

Robb never voting me today, and with the likelihood of at least one of Una/Profii coming to town read me, BEF knew he couldn’t get me lynched, and if 2 scum were on me, he had to switch plays.

BEF/Ame.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: geranium

Still think this flips scum.

There's got to be more to it than that.

[Flavor Leaf]

anyone have a scum game of germ?

Alora and Germ talked about Germ having a scum game when Alora was town, but idk where