mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Post Post #19 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:14 am

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VOTE: Oka Poka
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Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:18 am

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In post 20, PenguinPower wrote:You jealous or something, Dann? I didn't say "yes."
I'd just like a chance to take you out to dinner first
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Post Post #36 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:26 am

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I feel like everyone wants to be Penguin's friend and I feel like that makes him town

I feel like this feeling is based in absolutely nothing concrete or trustworthy but it feels good all the same
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Post Post #39 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:27 am

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I also FEEL like Alchemist has some good vibes
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Post Post #40 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:27 am

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ah what the damnflor
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Post Post #44 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:28 am

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VOTE: clidd
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Post Post #48 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:30 am

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firebringer you are banished
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Post Post #114 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:07 am

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clidd is actually town

RCE, why did you choose to vote clidd when you did?

VOTE: RCE
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Post Post #123 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:14 am

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In post 117, PenguinPower wrote:Why is clidd town?
I think his defaulting to "controlling tomorrow's lynch" and the frankly dumb assumption that there were two scum voting him is more likely to come from town than not.

also his inconsistency seems townie

It's very possible this is a bad take and I'm taking a too wolfy to be wolf read too far, but that's my gut reaction to his extreme reaction
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Post Post #126 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:17 am

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In post 119, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 114, Dannflor wrote:clidd is actually town

RCE, why did you choose to vote clidd when you did?

VOTE: RCE
Not ironically, to see who unvotes first. I think it's interesting that you're both the first unvote and subsequently pushing me for my vote.

VOTE: Dann
I'm more curious why you moved from FB to clidd without much happening in between. Did something clidd said spark that? Do you have a read on him?

What does my unvote and push on you mean? Beyond being "interesting?"

I thought your vote was the most convenient of the whole wagon and I'd suspected clidd might be town from shortly after I voted him.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:19 am

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like idk

I'd like to think scum normally goes back to actually check who was voting them

while town can very easily get flustered/indignant and think the whole world is out to get them when pressured early for seemingly no reason

It's not outside of any scum meta and I don't have experience with clidd, but it just strikes me as a lot less careful than scum under pressure should be prone to be
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Post Post #149 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:32 am

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In post 133, OkaPoka wrote:dannflor have you ever played a game of mafia as mafia where you were getting randomly voted early on for like no reason
no
In post 142, Firebringer wrote:Btw dann I know how u fake reads on me now so it won’t work again
lol last game I literally was just like

idk im gonna let Ank read you
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Post Post #151 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:34 am

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In post 132, RCEnigma wrote:I think Clidd probably is town, and scum is more likely to be spooked off a town wagon than town would.
I sort of agree with this

but I'm curious why you find me *attacking* the votes on the wagon scum indicative, or interesting, as you put it

because that would indicate to me that you have a partner read
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Post Post #154 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:36 am

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In post 152, OkaPoka wrote:let me just tell you that its a very frustrating thing to feel

can u sympathize with that
I think frustration manifests differently in scum and town

it can manifest in very much the same way so like this isn't a damning tell or whatever

but town frustration is almost always gonna be outwardly emotional and inconsistent

while scum frustration has a decent chance to cause the player to act *more* reserved and consistent in order to somehow fix things
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Post Post #168 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:46 am

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In post 164, clidd wrote:i insist we lynch comical

it was very explicit what she tried to do there

she flips scum=Pine scum
clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeing
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Post Post #172 (isolation #15) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:47 am

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VOTE: Auro
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Post Post #191 (isolation #16) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:57 am

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In post 175, clidd wrote:
In post 168, Dannflor wrote:
In post 164, clidd wrote:i insist we lynch comical

it was very explicit what she tried to do there

she flips scum=Pine scum
clidd what does it tell you that no one else really seems to be seeing what you're seeing
ok, explain why
no what

I'm asking you what nobody else listening to you here means for your reads

does that make you more/less confident?
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Post Post #193 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:59 am

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what can I say, I'm a friendly guy
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Post Post #204 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:11 am

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In post 198, OkaPoka wrote:now this is also a theory claim but believe me im town
I believe you
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Post Post #209 (isolation #19) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:13 am

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i think you guys mixed up what you were talking about

also I'm a newbie in my heart
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Post Post #267 (isolation #20) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:31 pm

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In post 263, Eddie Cane wrote:I think the fact nobody has commented on me this game spews me town, because my partners haven't tried to fake interactions.
that's because you told me in the scum PT not to interact with you
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Post Post #269 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:31 pm

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In post 264, PenguinPower wrote:THE TOWNIE THING
is this something you can elaborate on now that he's done it?
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Post Post #320 (isolation #22) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:38 am

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VOTE: Pine
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Post Post #381 (isolation #23) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:42 pm

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VOTE: Eddie Cane
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Post Post #383 (isolation #24) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:14 pm

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I thought this was the brave thing to do
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Post Post #401 (isolation #25) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:52 pm

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In post 396, Firebringer wrote:but dannyboi everytime i think of am like "he is just trying to blend in a bit isn't he?
unblend me
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Post Post #404 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:53 pm

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I think both of those votes are probably town but I'm less sure on Auro

Auro is less Auro-y than usual

but I also feel like Auro is someone I can more accurately gauge over time
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Post Post #406 (isolation #27) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:57 pm

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In post 397, Firebringer wrote:then again maybe dannyboi keeps switching his vote too much to be scum. Not even sure that's a thing scum!danny doesn't do
because I feel like this post is counterproductive to getting your vote on me

and your whole discussion with Auro just feels earnest tonally

also people noticing that I'm a bit off or a bit more opaque in my play so far this game would be correct and I'm awarding slight town points to you two for noticing that
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Post Post #412 (isolation #28) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:05 pm

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i don't like clidd that much

i don't like alchemist anymore

and I actually have a strong scum read on eddie

sooooo
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Post Post #415 (isolation #29) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:07 pm

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Mostly on purpose Fire

I have a lot of hanging thoughts I want to share but I want to do it all at once and concisely when I'm more of sure of everything

also I know once I go to my usual full transparency on every thought and semi-frequent wall post style there will be no coming back

but it's coming very soon
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Post Post #417 (isolation #30) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:07 pm

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In post 414, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 412, Dannflor wrote:i don't like clidd that much

i don't like alchemist anymore

and I actually have a strong scum read on eddie

sooooo
cases !
oh no not tonight

but yes it will happen

(queue auro saying to lynch me if I don't deliver)
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Post Post #420 (isolation #31) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:09 pm

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In post 413, Auro wrote:
In post 404, Dannflor wrote:Auro is less Auro-y than usual
You likely won't be seeing me match my White Flag play this game btw :P
That's fair! But I mean Apocalypse U-pick too. There's just less specific questioning than I would expect from you. Which I guess is stupid to tell you but I'm not overtly worried because I think that's something you've stated you have trouble faking fluidly in scum games.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #32) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:14 pm

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actually maybe fire sounds a little bit fake now

I feel like I just went from having too many town reads to having too many scum reads

I need to organize this before I actually make a push
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Post Post #428 (isolation #33) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:18 pm

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I'm not feeling especially lucky

yet
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Post Post #439 (isolation #34) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:27 pm

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In post 430, Firebringer wrote:Spicey take:

Eddie Cane, Luna Fox, and Penguinpower are the scumteam.
hm but PP is like my strongest town read

albeit for fluffier reasons than I'd like
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Post Post #442 (isolation #35) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:29 pm

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In post 435, Auro wrote:Dann, did I actually say I have trouble faking fluidity as scum? While some people like the worst toneread me I think I personally am pretty good at faking fluidity/progressions.
I'm well aware of my meta of asking questions, etc - asking pointed questions and appearing gamesolvey is a prominent characteristic of my scum meta too.
I was a non-presence in Apocalypse, no? I had very little impact that game.
I really specifically remember you or someone close to you saying that! But now that I think about it I can't remember where it came from at all.

Also I think you had a fairly sizable impact on the game considering you drew a nightkill over a claimed cop.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #36) » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:34 pm

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step on me
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Post Post #498 (isolation #37) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:36 am

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hmmMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm
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Post Post #514 (isolation #38) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:16 pm

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clidd I'm struggling to empathize with why you're defending me so hard

Is there anyone else in the game that matches the strength of town read you have on me?
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Post Post #515 (isolation #39) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:16 pm

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or to rephrase, do you have any other town reads of similar strength as your one on me?
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Post Post #518 (isolation #40) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:39 pm

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Why do you town read him?

I'm unclear how you went from "robot" to "bad town" to second strongest town read
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Post Post #526 (isolation #41) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:07 pm

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VOTE: Comical
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Post Post #530 (isolation #42) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:55 pm

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In post 527, OkaPoka wrote:what happened to your bravery
In post 528, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 525, Comical wrote:Yes, but Clidd, assuming you’re correct based on a page 6 read is insanely ignorant, and post game, if you are town, you should really take consideration in seeing the weaknesses in your play, in addition to learning how even if you think someone is scum, you still need to be able to work with said player in the case you are wrong, which you are here.
you kinda sound like you know you're talking to town
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Post Post #531 (isolation #43) » Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:56 pm

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also I'm waiting to see something for just a hot second
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Post Post #596 (isolation #44) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:59 am

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In post 595, Luna Fox wrote:VOTE: Penguin
:?:
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Post Post #609 (isolation #45) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:49 pm

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Hi, sorry, I've been disassociated from this game pretty heavily. Not from lack of time, just from general inability to focus because of RL which... yeah.

So, I've only really been paying half my attention to this game and as a result I think a lot of my thoughts have been half-baked. For instance, reading back through I don't really think Eddie Cane is scum anymore. I'll still explain why I thought so because otherwise Okapoka is going to be disappointed in me, but really all my previously mentioned reads are like... amorphous piles of goo.

Basically, I thought EC was scum because he wasn't really trying. There are a number of reasons for this beyond alignment, but I thought alignment was the most likely answer. In Team Mafia, even when EC was mostly V/LA for the first few days, he still popped into the Open with game relevant takes. Now, Team Mafia is a different beast of course, but I've also read a few of EC's town games and he's usually still *a presence* in the early game, even during early games where he's complaining about boredom or nothing happening or bad players. He'll be like "I have one read," or "I have three reads and you're all trash," and try to spark discussion through enigmatic content like that.

Here, I felt like he was just floating around but without the extra little oomph that makes his town game. Then he voted me and I thought "hm wanting to kill me D1 because it would be funny 'regardless of my flip' when I'm a pretty polarized player is a suspicious thing to say," and then I moved my vote to see if EC would get into the game and eventually move his vote or choose who he really wanted to kill. He hasn't done that, but like:
In post 603, Eddie Cane wrote:I honestly have 0 real reads.
This is pretty earnest, a pretty stupid thing for scum to say at this stage of the game, and pretty much how I'm feeling now. It also explains half the qualms I had with him, and really, the other half was me latching onto stuff because I was trying to find stuff to latch onto.

I don't think this makes EC hard town or anything, but I would generally expect scum!EC to have a stronger presence by this point. Even though I know he strongly prefers town, he's good at both alignments and I *think* he'd be slightly more likely to do-nothing as town until he finds something to get him into the game, thus relying on his ability to townspew when he needs it. As scum I think it'd be more advantageous for him to get a foothold early.

That said, I've literally never seen EC's scum game so my analysis is based in very little.

So really what this entire post is trying to say is that I've moved EC from a wavering scum read to a slight town lean
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Post Post #611 (isolation #46) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:55 pm

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I know who Comical is and I think I always scum read them, so I'm trying to be self-critical here

but #525 still looks like it TMIs Clidd town. It's not damning, yes, Auro, people tend to assume people are town --- something about the wording of this post in particular, and the lengths to which Comical goes to represent a clidd!town scenario just seems... There's something very LAMIST about it I think.

His push on Eddie Cane in #536 and #538 is bad in retrospect. EC has done nothing this game and somehow Comical pulls "setting themselves up positioning wise" out of that.

My reaction test was actually just to see if EC would unvote me or not, I had an actual scum ping from Comical

I want more from #556, what exactly changed your read on EC, Comical? What is your perception of the game state now? This feels like a very slimy way to slink out of a push that they felt was going bad. The worst part is they have the confidence to know they can get away with something as brazen as that and then talk their way out of it. but I think it's slightly more scum agenda than cocky town
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Post Post #612 (isolation #47) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:55 pm

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Eddie is a PR nightkill him
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Post Post #613 (isolation #48) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:56 pm

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Penguin Power is town still
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Post Post #614 (isolation #49) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:57 pm

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I also think RCE and Okapoka are more likely to be town

Mixed on Auro and Alchemist

everyone else is in the grey goop
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Post Post #616 (isolation #50) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:59 pm

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VOTE: Auro
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Post Post #620 (isolation #51) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:13 pm

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In post 618, Auro wrote:Dann's recent posting makes me slightly more confident in him being scum. :P
incorrect!
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Post Post #627 (isolation #52) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:31 pm

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In post 621, Auro wrote:What do you think were my reasons for scumreading you?
Apart from opaqueness, which wasn't really a reason.
no idea

why are you scum reading me
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Post Post #629 (isolation #53) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:33 pm

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knowing comical

they'll make 180s as either alignment

I think the specific 180s here aren't backed by townie changes in mindset/logic but actually rather purposeful
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Post Post #630 (isolation #54) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:34 pm

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If I prove to be wrong on who Comical is my read would change dramatically

but I'm not wrong
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Post Post #633 (isolation #55) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:36 pm

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uhhh I don't think anyone is historically good at reading Comical

and no, I don't think that's gonna help you read me
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Post Post #636 (isolation #56) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:40 pm

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how about I just tell you it's not made up and I look really cute so you can trust me

do my reads seem extensively faked to you? in what way?
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Post Post #638 (isolation #57) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:42 pm

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In post 35, Comical wrote:Tough crowd.

VOTE: damn
r u sure im not damnflor fire
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Post Post #640 (isolation #58) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:43 pm

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don't pocket me I'll bite you
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Post Post #644 (isolation #59) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:46 pm

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I'm just curious if you found me to be especially fake for some reason, considering you're scum reading me, and in what way

because I feel like I've been pretty genuine/freeflow this game so it strikes me as odd that fakeness is the reason your scum reading me

idk if that made sense
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Post Post #645 (isolation #60) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:47 pm

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In post 643, Firebringer wrote:
In post 549, Comical wrote:This wasn’t a good player list for me to be an unknown in really. I just know every single player in this game too well, with the exception of Clidd, who is hands down the player I know the least here.
man I should really know who u are then...
it's really obvious
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Post Post #646 (isolation #61) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:47 pm

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I would also like Comical to unveil themselves but I won't out them because manners or something
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Post Post #648 (isolation #62) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:48 pm

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I need to make some tea
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Post Post #655 (isolation #63) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:51 pm

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I look forward to it Auro.

I feel like there's probably scum in that grouping, Oka. However, I'm not really getting the sense that all the active posters are town? If that's true, hopefully it'll become more clear as the day goes on.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:52 pm

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VOTE: Pine
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Post Post #661 (isolation #65) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:53 pm

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this is boring now because Pine is not here
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Post Post #665 (isolation #66) » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:59 pm

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dance party?
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Post Post #694 (isolation #67) » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:34 am

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In post 676, Auro wrote:
In post 653, OkaPoka wrote:i also dont think eddie's no reads take is a hottake because i truly believe that nothing said so far is actually AI unless you tinfoil it a bit
yeah and Dann is bending over his back to explain reads on people, scummy
I’ve been a lot less explainy about my reads than I usually am

I generally just as a player over explain myself
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Post Post #695 (isolation #68) » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:34 am

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Pine, quick, what was the most important thing you gleaned from the last 20 pages
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Post Post #831 (isolation #69) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:56 am

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VOTE: RCE
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Post Post #843 (isolation #70) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:30 am

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I think Auro is more likely to be town now, for the record.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #71) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:36 am

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I’d prefer some individual scum reads than sweeping statements about the D1 wagon.

RCE, your analysis thus far has come entirely with wagon analysis being your crutch. Which is like, fine if you’re using that to form reads, but I want more. And it’s hard for me to take it as too damning when I know I’m town and I don’t generally think a wagon on lurking town is more likely to be scum motivated than not. In fact, you made this same point with clidd earlier in the game, where you said scum would be more averse to easy mislynches. Yet, now, with the easiest mislynch in the world, it’s supposed to be a scum *driven* wagon?

I’m just curious if you have reads independent of all that.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #72) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:29 am

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I don’t think EC needs to claim.
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Post Post #934 (isolation #73) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:31 am

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In post 926, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 922, Comical wrote:If you’re going to try and 1v1 me, we need to be incredibly concrete.

Claim RCE. If you’re somehow town in this, just claim.
I won't. If you were town here you wouldn't hardclaim a guilty without being sure.

You're scum here.
Do you really believe this to be true regardless of who Comical is?
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Post Post #938 (isolation #74) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:32 am

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Town hardclaims guilties with varying levels of credibility for varying levels of good reasons ALL THE TIME on this site.
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Post Post #978 (isolation #75) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:45 am

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In post 947, Eddie Cane wrote:I don't really know why I think PenguinPower is town, but I do.
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Post Post #984 (isolation #76) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:48 am

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VOTE: Alchemist
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Post Post #995 (isolation #77) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:57 am

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sure

also VT
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Post Post #1005 (isolation #78) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:14 pm

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this game is not fun without fire
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #79) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:16 pm

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i cant believe someone killed fire

who would do such a thing

i would never kill him

certainly not ever

it's absolutely ridiculous he was killed
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #80) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:25 pm

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someone (not me) is a terrible person
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #81) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:33 pm

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I just really want both of you to be town

I have really no good reasons at all except I've liked your tone?

but I don't have enough of a foothold in this game to reconsider that, so I'm just binning you guys as town for the foreseeable future

do either of you have any hot takes
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #82) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:55 pm

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In post 1019, OkaPoka wrote:danny whats ur thought on the eddie cane
I thought could be scum but that read doesn't excite me as much anymore
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #83) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:57 pm

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Does anyone have a read on Luna
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #84) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:13 pm

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Why is Okapoka scummy to you, Comical? Or is he just not-towny
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Post Post #1063 (isolation #85) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:23 pm

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VOTE: Luna
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #86) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:43 am

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Where/when did I suddenly jump to towny for people? Specifically you Auro?

I'm not ignoring your question by the way, I'm just back to genuinely unsure of what to think of you right now and trying to figure that out first.
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #87) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:44 am

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Also, I'd be interested in your clidd read.
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Post Post #1251 (isolation #88) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:35 pm

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In post 1227, Auro wrote:I can see both rolling scum and deciding to go for a coast-y strategy. I'll review Dann's ISO for the Eddie parts.
if I roll scum with EC I'm efforting
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #89) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:38 pm

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...Ankamius and Flavor Leaf both replaced out D1
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Post Post #1262 (isolation #90) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:51 pm

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In post 385, Auro wrote:I have a scumread now
VOTE: Dannfloor
:D

I won't provide reasons right now because I want to continue to observe Dann's play without him playing around how I'm reading him.
In post 618, Auro wrote:Dann's recent posting makes me slightly more confident in him being scum. :P
Auro, how did you go from this to finding me as light town because I had you as town? Like the reason I'm so confused is because it seems like you had a solid scum read on me at one point, but now I'm at a weak town tier simply for finding you as town. Did your scum read evaporate because I said RL was getting me down?
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #91) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:58 pm

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In post 1167, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok Auro. Those WF quotes are enough for me to give you some breathing room here.

UNVOTE: Auro
I think this is mildly towny? Alchemist put a lot of effort into this push and it seems like odd timing to drop it right here. Even if he sensed Auro's defense as being effective, as scum I'd expect him to disappear for a little bit and see if the wagon still gains traction or not before backing up like this.
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #92) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:03 pm

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In post 1264, Auro wrote:That feels like a scummy position to take, rather than advocate that I not be lynched today.
I wouldn't advocate for that if I was unsure and didn't have a clear alternative.
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #93) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:03 pm

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It's scummy but I'm not going to make up a read when I don't have one.

And yes, I imagine Alchemist backing off as I explained, I don't imagine him unvoting right at that timing.
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Post Post #1268 (isolation #94) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:04 pm

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I also don't know that you have enough clout behind you this game for your hard push to be super threatening.
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #95) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:10 pm

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I've expressed from the beginning of the game that I feel you're playing different from WF. You said yourself you wouldn't be matching that level of play.

I assume you'd be trying to replicate the same type of play as either alignment. I don't think I have any particular good reason to town read you this game.

Like, I thought I saw a glimpse of it earlier, that you were genuinely looking to sort people. But I'm consistently getting the feeling that your questions are just a shade more like busy-work this game than in WF. Like generally your play seems to be erring closer to pedantic than genuinely solvey. However, due to your playstyle it's hard for me to tell whether that's because there's a difference in alignment from this game and that game, or whether you just can't match how good your play was in that game. (not trying to shade you or anything if you're town, I clearly have no place to judge from by the way I'm playing this game)
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #96) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:16 pm

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I think going back my clidd town read may be have formed incorrectly
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #97) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:20 pm

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In post 1272, Auro wrote:Which push of mine seemed pedantic?
I don't have a specific push in mind, sorry. It's just how I've perceived the way you're poking at people this game.
In post 1255, Auro wrote:With Popsofctown - and you didn't effort while they were there as well IIRC
Like even just recently, it feels like you're more interested in scoring points by being *right* then trying to understand why I might believe a certain thing.

It's not just with me either. It seems like you're picking at individual wording a lot more this game.

However, it's possible your play is a lot closer to WF than I'm giving it credit for and I'm caught on the other side this time of being annoyed by it rather than seeing it for what it is. I don't know how to change that yet if that's the case though.
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #98) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:22 pm

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In post 1275, Dannflor wrote:However, it's possible your play is a lot closer to WF than I'm giving it credit for and I'm caught on the other side this time of being annoyed by it rather than seeing it for what it is.
And tbf I'm feeling like this is closer to the case through this engagement, I'm just not as sure as I would like yet.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #99) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:26 pm

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oh I thought the fake hammer on Luna was slightly towny

It's a little ballsy to go for that and then immediately lampshade it as scum-trying-to-get-town-read, when it was something you did multiple times to great effect in WF, and you'd have no other reason to go it as scum unless you're partners with Luna, which is like *possible* but not particularly likely?
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #100) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:26 pm

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In post 1277, Auro wrote:Then please review my ISO, because I want you to boil this down into specifics and I can be pedantic about them.
Even the part about picking at individual wording, throw me examples.
I'm not going to do this, sorry; I think my energy is better spent elsewhere right now.
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #101) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:28 pm

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I keep going back to clidd's D1 and I think my impressions of him were based off perceiving him as being a inexperienced or otherwise green player. But looking back that's clearly not the case. his town read on me and Alch in particular feels TMI-y?
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #102) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:29 pm

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VOTE: clidd
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #103) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:34 pm

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In post 1283, Auro wrote:
In post 1279, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1277, Auro wrote:Then please review my ISO, because I want you to boil this down into specifics and I can be pedantic about them.
Even the part about picking at individual wording, throw me examples.
I'm not going to do this, sorry; I think my energy is better spent elsewhere right now.
I need you to prove legitimacy in thoughts so I do not misread you if you're town.
Okay. How's this, tomorrow I will do a full (or as full as I feel like) ISO on you and detail my thoughts on your major actions throughout the game. If I'm gonna do it I want to not do it half-assed and it's too late for me to have the energy right now. You can hold me to that. I respect you too much as a player to leave you hanging/ignore you.

Although, I will say, I half just responded that I really don't care if you're misreading me. Because I feel like I don't. But if I find you as town, which I think I do now, then I do owe it to you to help you find me; because you're trying.

right now though it's 1:30am though and I don't care if you misread me in this moment.
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #104) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:35 pm

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and I often do these promise type things and sometimes don't fulfill them, but I really do mean that so pester me if it doesn't happen.
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #105) » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:36 pm

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but then after that I think I'll have given you specifically all I'm willing to, unless I have reason to revisit you as a read again.

Overall, I think you'd have more success following my thoughts for other players from here on, but I understand I haven't quite shown this game that there's enough of that to get a read off of
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #106) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:55 am

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In post 1292, OkaPoka wrote:dann do you usually feel a need to qualify your reads this muchh
lol yes
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #107) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:59 am

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to be clear that's my biggest flaw in mafia and generally where the early deep wolf meme came from

it's also just a characteristic of real life where I use an average of ~3.6 qualifiers per sentence
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #108) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:01 am

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In post 676, Auro wrote:
In post 653, OkaPoka wrote:i also dont think eddie's no reads take is a hottake because i truly believe that nothing said so far is actually AI unless you tinfoil it a bit
yeah and Dann is bending over his back to explain reads on people, scummy
oh yeah this is just me as well
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #109) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:13 am

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In post 457, Auro wrote:
In post 442, Dannflor wrote:Also I think you had a fairly sizable impact on the game considering you drew a nightkill over a claimed cop
Because Pink Ball thought I would solve the game if left alive lol, not because of anything I already did by that point :P
This was one post where it felt like you were intentionally missing the point in favor of scoring points (heh). Like, you were trying to argue that you were a non-presence in Krazy's game so I had less evidence for my meta read on you, but I obviously didn't perceive it that way. From my perspective you were vastly underselling your presence in that game (you had all the scum basically in your PoE when we killed you), and this quip just felt to me at the time like you could be intentionally misunderstanding me?

But it's probably more likely we just have very different perspectives on that game.
In post 529, Auro wrote:I do tend to treat everyone as town when I talk to them usually.
This was right after me and EC commented on a post from Comical that I thought was potentially TMIing clidd town. Again, this is the sort of thing where you're technically correct! But on the other hand, you would assume EC and I would both know this, and we have a deeper reason for finding this particular instance of treating someone as town scummy, right? But here you take the surface value statement and rebutt it in a way that doesn't seem that productive. You're not asking for a deeper reason or even particularly trying to challenge either of us; you're just being "right" in a way that doesn't move discussion forward in a way as much as I'd come to expect from town!you.
In post 634, Auro wrote:
In post 633, Dannflor wrote:I don't think that's gonna help you read me
Why so? My assessment of whether your Comical read is made-up or not will heavily depend on who you think he is.
And then here, the identity of Comical felt to me like a very inconsequential detail when it came to the read. But it felt like the sort of busy-work type thing scum latches on to so they can look productive when there's a wealth of other content that could be produced. Also, this could just be a difference in playstyle/how we viewed the read. But hopefully that explains why I felt your play was erring closer to busywork at points.

I think a lot of it may come down to me, however. My temperament has been shorter this game and I think I found myself less willing to engage with questions that I felt were wasteful. Indeed, these should have been things I brought up at the time if I was putting full energy into this game from the start.

I do town read you now. It's by no means close to my WF level of town read on you, however. I think you've displayed a remarkable amount of self-awareness (in your self-hammer and in your general playstyle) that makes me cautious, especially since I've never seen you play scum before.

let me know if you have any other questions
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #110) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:14 am

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In post 1331, Something_Smart wrote:Pine wagon was godawful
Why?

I'm not too mad at the wagon in retrospect.
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #111) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:19 am

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Why is Luna town?
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #112) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:19 am

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I also think RCE is more likely to be scum out of the Comical/RCE duo, if one of them is indeed scum

I think Eddie Cane is going to hit me with a shoe for saying that though
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Post Post #1386 (isolation #113) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:06 am

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In post 1370, Auro wrote:were/are you not curious how my question of your Comical identity read helps me assess your Comical alignment read? If something felt inconsequential to me enough to bother me I'd probably challenge it - so why aren't you?
I am curious, but I thought you wouldn't explain until I'd given Comical's identity. Should I directly ask you?
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #114) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:28 am

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In post 1389, Auro wrote:co-operative town
I wasn't feeling very much like co-operative town last night so I had to search for motivation from elsewhere
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #115) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:28 am

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VOTE: Alchemist
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Post Post #1397 (isolation #116) » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:29 am

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In post 1391, Auro wrote:
In post 1389, Auro wrote:if Comical was FL then stuff you town/scumread him for should be much closer to null
If you thought* and that would be scummy vs if you didn't think he was FL in which case I can buy the thought process(es)
I thought he was FL
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #117) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:50 pm

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VOTE: Oka Poka
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #118) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:53 pm

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I feel like I don't have a reason to town read you and I should by now if you were town

thoughts?
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #119) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:55 pm

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In post 1454, OkaPoka wrote:danny what game did u townread me in
the one you were scum

hmmmm
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #120) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:56 pm

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tbf I town read you in team mafia

but I don't feel like your play is like team mafia much at all

although that could be a product of this not indeed being team mafia
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #121) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:02 pm

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In post 1459, OkaPoka wrote:tbf everyone townread me in team mafia

why do you expect to have townread me tho
you've posted a lot

I feel like you're a good player

idk it's a very lazy vote but i dont want to thunderdome eddie cane
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Post Post #1466 (isolation #122) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:08 pm

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Oka do you still think SS slot is scummy
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #123) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:09 pm

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If so, why aren't you pushing that?
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #124) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:16 pm

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uh i was thinking of autumn's farewell and TM not baton pass

I think I was town reading you in baton pass until you called something stupid a scum slip and I got annoyed
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Post Post #1518 (isolation #125) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:18 pm

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VOTE: Luna
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #126) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:20 pm

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I really like Oka's take on SS and I think it's pretty nuanced

although maybe I should take a town read to mean that Oka is scum

hmmMMMM
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Post Post #1524 (isolation #127) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:22 pm

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Alchemist, I voted you because I an really struggling to find scum reads in this game and you were just a slot I didn't feel like I had significant reason to town read. You were also attacking a recent town read of mine in Auro.

I moved off of you because I
1. got bored
2. found another slot I didn't have good reason to townread

Although I still don't feel like I have good reasons to town read you. Am I your top scum read? Where does Auro rank now that you're giving him some space?
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #128) » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:25 pm

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move on to me i dare you
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Post Post #1603 (isolation #129) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:22 am

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VOTE: Dan

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Post Post #1604 (isolation #130) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:23 am

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okay i lowkey don't wanna lynch myself

[/vote]iDany[/vote]
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Post Post #1605 (isolation #131) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:23 am

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VOTE: idany

this game ain't big enough for the both of us
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Post Post #1606 (isolation #132) » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:25 am

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In post 1602, iDanyboy wrote:It's because than been a lot of content in-between and I haven't been able to get a lot out of it. which is making me feel lost.
Look at the back and forth I had with Auro several pages back. We both said a lot of things and I came out with a loose town read at the end of it.

It may not be the best content in the world but it might be of interest to you considering Auro is your primary scum read?
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Post Post #1707 (isolation #133) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:46 am

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S_S. have you broken your scum range this game?

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