mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Luna Fox]

Ah right, SS is Vanilla cop...so I was the most likely check as nsg said.

And, yeah - but you only need to get one of me/SS lynched for a gg and Nero was hard on both of us over you.

Ok so, let's look at this from your perspective.
If you're town, that means my partner would be SS or Alchemist.
Does any of those look feasible to you?

[Luna Fox]

Like I said, nsg would evaluate while Nero probably tunnels without a guilty.

And if scum!Nero wanted to push me today, why would he not get rid of you over vt!nsg since nsg would have supported my lynch while you wouldn't have and are a PR?

As I said before, idk what scum!Nero is thinking here.
But I can tell you, that scum me would have 100% shot a town!Nero last night.

[Luna Fox]

Yes.

In this current situation where i leave a town Nero alive?

[Luna Fox]

Okay - but...I don't know that so I have to look at it from my perspective and it makes more sense to me for you to kill nsg than Nero.

So okay, what's my gameplan then after Nero supposedly gets an inno on you.
Bus SS? Bus Alchemist? ML SS?
Why not leave you as an unknown? Wouldnt that make it easier to push you?

[Luna Fox]

Like I'm trying my hardest here for this to not be a town loss, but you seem to be buying everything nero is selling so, whatever.
If you're scum here it doesnt matter, but if you're town here, I'll still answer questions if necessary.

I blame Boon for being in this situation in the first place.

[Luna Fox]

ML SS?

My current theory.

I admittedly haven't put effort into this game in awhile, so I'm going to go back and read through things.

So you're saying that im scum with Alch then?

Actually that's not a bad theory, except for the fact that im town.

[Luna Fox]

so I'm going to go back and read through things.

take your time.

[Luna Fox]

You know thinking about it:

Nero was visited by an Action Investigation action.

If this was condemning for Nero's team, he probably decides to fake a guilty on me here.

[Luna Fox]

Although that makes PP 100% town anyway.

[Luna Fox]

Unless there's a town with any of those 5 roles that's been hidden, which i doubt, PP's confirmed to have given fruit to Alch last night, so PP couldn't have been the person that targeted Nero, meaning PP is town 100% of the time.

[Luna Fox]

If this was condemning for Nero's team, he probably decides to fake a guilty on me here.

how would it be condemning?

You can't push PP with that result there, and if SS is your partner, your only choice would be to try to convince people to ML Alch, so you fake claim a guilty on me instead.

[Luna Fox]

So why not fake a guilty on Alch?

If you felt like your result pointed to SS why were you not pushing him earlier?

I didnt realize it until now.
As for why not fake a guilty on Alch? well I dunno, but you pretty much had to fake a guilty on someone, and you were shading me yesterday so it made the most sense for your narrative?

[Luna Fox]

You can't push PP with that result there,

Why not? There’s 2 scum left and just because PP isn’t the scum who targeted him doesn’t mean he can’t still push PP as scum.

How? PP gave fruit last night.

[Luna Fox]

Maybe it's because i'm bias coz I know 100% Nero must be scum at this point.

[Luna Fox]

I didnt realize it until now.

very convienent.

Yeah man, everything's "very convenient" for you huh.

[Luna Fox]

then how come my night 4 result says you have a gun?

I dont believe you actually have a result coz a gun result on me is impossible.

[Luna Fox]

This is painful, I cant believe people are actually doubting my towniness here, good job on the scumteam for managing to do that I guess.

[Luna Fox]

It's not so much doubting your towniness as doubting Nero's scumminess.

Same thing

[Luna Fox]

Well with all of you, SS and PP leaning on me being scum guess this is GG.
I never expected my first ML on this account to happen due to a fake guilty on LyLo.

[Luna Fox]

*thumbleweed*

[Luna Fox]

I mean the correct play is to lynch Luna today so do whatever ya'll gotta do but that's what needs to happen within the next 11 days.

The correct play is to lynch scum today because otherwise it's a town loss, that means the other 2 townies need to figure out that you're scum and lynch you.

And yes I see you trying to implant ideas into people that I'm the only lynch option today.

[Luna Fox]

here's a fun q, if you were town and had a guilty on me, how would you treat me any different than I am now?

Probably, as I always treat guilties in LyLo as anything but "one of these 2 persons is scum"
Granted I've never gotten a guilty on LyLo so...

The correct play is to lynch scum today because otherwise it's a town loss, that means the other 2 townies need to figure out that you're scum and lynch you.

this post is also pretty bad. Its

LAMIST

. I mean,

OF COURSE

, we should be lynching scum today. We

HAVE

to. Like, this isn't some deeply profound insight. If you think I'm scum then why did you use the word scum instead of Nero? I think it betrays your claimed belief i.e you know that I'm town. There's a 1v1 between us, why do we

EVER

lynch outside of that? The last time that I had a guilty in lylo (and town refused to vote it) said gulties buddy tried to talk town into lynching outside of the guilty.

Well LAMIST is my middle name, as in that's NAI from me.

Luna if you’re Town you need to help me see whatever I’m missing.

I don't even understand why you scumread me, you went from "This isnt Luna's scum meta one day" to "There's totes a guilty on Luna the other."

[Luna Fox]

Not that I'm saying that town refuse to lynch you here. Gotta make sure to not offend anyone b/c the way the game is played now is about walking on eggshells.

Says the person who has already 2 people ready to vote for me.

[Luna Fox]

although I already explained why I targeted you last night.

Well that's the thing that I understand the least about all this.
You had me pocketed and then this happens.

[Luna Fox]

Why does it matter if I scum read you at all? I have a gun result and that's all that matters.

I did not talk about you scumreading me that message was directed at Alchemist hence that's why that's his quote.
Fake guilty aside, You literally have no choice but to think im 100% scum coz i've not been quickhammered.

[Luna Fox]

I don't even understand why you scumread me, you went from "This isnt Luna's scum meta one day" to "There's totes a guilty on Luna the other."

I said what things had to be true for you to be Town here and I don’t believe those things are true.

At this point.
I've done everything I can do.
I'm not willing to put more effort into this game after Boon's fake guilty screwed everything up, I just rather take the loss here and blame him later.
Maybe you're just scum too idk, although with both you and SS wanting to vote me I dont think both of you can be scum coz at least one of you two has to be town.
So again just, GG, I dont care enough to continue 1v1ing as I lost the will to fight I had in me already coz everything I do just seems to support me scum more and more, maybe it might have been better for town for me to not have done anything in the first place.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Luna Fox]

Besides, I havent been enjoying this game at all ever since FB died.

[Luna Fox]

Only regret I have is that I decided to effort this game after getting lock towned.
But I guess there will be scum out there who will just ruin everything by faking guilties on LyLo.

This is the last time ever I effort a game unless I roll IC.

[Luna Fox]

Like at this point i think i've been pretty transparently town the entire game, and im pretty confused this is even happening in the first place.

[Luna Fox]

I hope no one falls for this

AtE

.

Dude... it's almost like i'm
*drum roll*
A Sakura Hana alt!

WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT!

[Luna Fox]

Welp GG, scum win.

[Luna Fox]

Who was the other scum?

[Luna Fox]

Please be trolling.

I wish I was.

[Luna Fox]

So I guess it was Nero/PP in the end? since i didnt get insta hammered after PP vote.

[Luna Fox]

Well I guess I was all sorts of wrong this game.
Sorry for my terrible performance that lead to town loss.

[Luna Fox]

I was scum with the ghost of boon

ROFL

[Luna Fox]

I'm flipping scum multitasking voyeur.
There you go, bask in your glory.

[Luna Fox]

I'm actually happy to be finally dead, I hate playing scum.

[Luna Fox]

So yeah, NC survived the night coz we wanted him to guilty me, since there was no way i could get a lynch on anyone other than SS if NC was NK'd.
In fact we knew AHEAD of time that he was coming to guilty me due to SS's voyeur action on me, so I faked an action that made it look like i was planning on MLing SS which Alch bought into.
Overall the plan was to get me to win 1v1 with my towncred, but i set up that other thing as a safety measure just in case I lost the 1v1, specially coz im bad at 1v1s as any alignment.

Looks like the safety measure wasnt needed in the end, but we won still.

GG.

[Luna Fox]

On the flipside, if Nero had checked PP and gotten an inno instead of guiltying me, i'd have been forced to bus SS and that would have not ended well.

[Luna Fox]

Btw, The things of me that pinged you.
Me saying that i cant read because of the spam is something that would've happened if i were town but it's not something i would have mentioned, as scum i felt like i had to say SOMETHING instead of lurking it out, coz as town idc.
The hammer comment i would have done as town as well tho.

[Luna Fox]

Also if I were town, there's no way i vote out Boon there.
If I had been paying attention to the votes I wouldn't have reversed my read there either, but it was hard to keep track on the ammount of votes with the spam, and the only thing on my mind was "I need to get Boon lynched for a free ML on EC"

As I said before, my read trajectories as scum are obviously fake and I felt that my switch on Boon was one of those instances.

Overall tho I feel like I broke my previous scumrange several times throughout this game.

[Luna Fox]

I feel like I called out your read trajectory at one point.

Btw the reason I tunneled you it's coz i was in "not caring mode" so i decided to tunnel a random townie.

[Luna Fox]

I felt like that way i'd get the least associations out of me if I get lynched, didnt expect to start caring later in the game, much less to start tryharding.

[Luna Fox]

how did u feel in our 1v1?

Part of me kept giggling when you were saying you caught me considering that my plan was for you to get a guilty on me to begin with.

Although i was pretty nervous at times since all gambits have very high risk high reward factors.

[Luna Fox]

Why did u not think I'd target PP?

It was a chance, but I felt you had more chance to target me due to our interactions D4.
SS plan was that if you for some reason targeted PP I'd have to argue a team of You/PP, but flipping my read on you is a hard thing to do for me as scum, so the best case scenario was you just guiltying me so i could 1v1 you without issue.

[Luna Fox]

Under any other circumstances if it wasnt for SS's role being unbusable for me and me having a "i dont wanna bus" policy, I'd have 100% killed nero cain that night, so PP's theory that i kill NSG is wrong, the only reason i killed NSG was due to the gambit with NC's result.

[Luna Fox]

Why did u not think I'd target PP?

It was a chance, but I felt you had more chance to target me due to our interactions D4.
SS plan was that if you for some reason targeted PP I'd have to argue a team of You/PP, but flipping my read on you is a hard thing to do for me as scum, so the best case scenario was you just guiltying me so i could 1v1 you without issue.

Considering where my reads were pushing Nero/PP after a PP clear probably would have worked.

Yeah, but I was not confident I could make that flip on Nero's black and white meta in any believable way.
The only way for me to engage Nero was for him to guilty me so I had no other choice.

[Luna Fox]

Regardless SS's idea of leaving Nero alive and letting him have an extra result was a good idea overall.
If it was me i'd have NK'd him, heck if it was me i'd probably have NK'd Boon instead of Oka, but as I said, im bad at night actions, specially as scum.

[Luna Fox]

That's also probably why i did not argue Clidd about killing FB, even tho I didnt want to kill the player providing the fun for the game for me.
And while it didnt matter i scumslipped once.
I never targeted eddie cane N1, that was iDany's result, BUT i forgot whose result was which, if there was a tracker or watcher i'd have been toast there.

[Luna Fox]

NGL but Boon's fake guilty greatly contributed to scum winning here, I dont think we'd have many chances of survival otherwise, heck, we were already in deep waters as it was because SS was getting very scumread and i'd soon follow if he was ever lynched. On top of having 2 town gunsmiths to fight against with no real way to counter them other than town having 1 false positive, if Boon hadn't blown both of his shots on the false positive and the night killed person it'd have been a very hard game for scum.

[Luna Fox]

howd you guys like the setup. :^) pretty happy with how the triple voyeur thing worked out. thats pretty much what you have to do to get it to do something

I dont even know what we were supposed to do against 2 town gunsmiths.
I think the setup was very townsided, and we only won because of sheer luck with Boon's fake guilty and incredible strategy by SS.
I don't know, but maybe im biased coz i had both of my partners getting heavily scumread while I was being lock townread or something.

[Luna Fox]

no offense to "the strategy" but I don't think that really had a TON to do win the win as SS could have been lynched (assuming PP didn't misread Alch). I mean, ok Iff SS had gotten lynched before you and there were 2 dead scum voyeurs and a claimed town one then

MAYBE

you get lynched but its also not super hard to see Alch and PP just go "oh 2 scum voyeurs and a town 1, makes sense"

That was more risky i think.
Well I guess we didnt see it that way, but you can see our reasoning in the scum pt.

I thought it was a pretty clever plan tho, even tho i was pretty nervous af at first.

In hindsight i didnt have enough gamestate awareness to know how scumread PP was, possibly coz i pay more attention to my partner, It did cross my mind at some point that a point of argument could be "hey 2 dead scum voyeurs and 2 dead town gunsmiths so there's probably 2 town gunsmiths, and a town voyeur and 2 scum voyeurs and a scum gunsmith".
Or something along those lines, but I felt the "COME AT ME! GUNSMITH!" tactic was cooler I guess.

[Luna Fox]

Also yes the entire Pine flashwagon was town

[Luna Fox]

urgh

my bandit bro.

Hey at least everyone on that wagon died, and you killed the last remaining person on it, Alch, yourself!

[Luna Fox]

I think thinking there's two town gunsmiths, no mafia doctors, and no mafia role interference roles is pretty asinine.

Also i just remember this

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah thanks for modding schadd! i enjoyed your modding it was pretty funny.

Sorry Firebringer, I would've preferred you not be the N1 kill, please dont hate me

[Luna Fox]

I think it was good play on my part to investigate Luna and I'm not all that big of fan of it trying to be diminished b/c it was "planned" (I mean, there was a 50/5 shot I'd target PP) I feel like town could have won if PP had the correct solve.

Sure if you want to.
I'm just saying that's what we wanted you to do.

[Luna Fox]

Luna & Smart: Well played!

Thanks!
This is probably my best scum game to date.
I generally hate tryharding as scum because then people get paranoid of me when im town.
I wish I had tryharded from the start but I was very worried about it.

[Luna Fox]

btw, from the scum PT

Doubt it, if he has a guilty he doesnt enter the day pissed and annoyed and angry at everyone.
But he'd probably have that reaction if his invest target dies over the night.

This is what I'd have thought if I had been town.

[Luna Fox]

Sorry for deceiving you all.

[Luna Fox]

btw SS those times where you kept going "I have some idea about this but i'll share it later" or "but im waiting on" almost gave a heart attack.
Idk if that's something you do as town, but I kept going "DO SOMETHING" in my head but i didnt want to interfere with whatever you had planned

[Luna Fox]

Granted I'm dissapointed Dany got easily townread then vanished and when he came back he just kept getting scumread.

[Luna Fox]

Next time you throw your AtE game at us I'll be prepared.

Granted I throw less AtE as scum than i do as town.
This is specially true if im scumread as town.

[Luna Fox]

I think my only experience with town you is when you were a mason and i NK'd you.

[Luna Fox]

this setup like most setups is townsided - evidenced by the fact that we literally had the worst investigate on our 6-shot gunsmith twice, a fakeclaim that resulted in a mislynch, a speedhammering of the one basically conftown pr slot out of frustration of the slot swapping guilities left and right, a speedhammer of a vt on d1, and a massclaim on d2 that revealed the entire setup to scum.

yet even with all of these throws and impressive scumgames from the scumteam we got to 3p lylo

that has more to do with bad town play than setup. 2 investigation roles, a doc/roleblock combo and a...pretty useless town pr isn't something thats insanely OP or anything.

2 cops, TWO FUCKING COPS, i mean yeah they are gunsmiths but in the setup they might as well be miller cops.

[Luna Fox]

Ah now there's something I wanted to ask, would a mafia jailkeeper have a gun? Considering a jailkeeper is a combined doctor/roleblocker.

[Luna Fox]

Well, I guess it's time to find another game to play.
I'm 3 wins out of 3 games since I came back.

[Luna Fox]

anyways, night killing me ngiht one when I didn't meme enough. Rudeness.
my reads suc

I'm sorry

[Luna Fox]

I mean, I ended up NKing him, mostly coz of it was suggested by Clidd, and at the time I went along with it, but as soon as day started I immediately regreted it.
I felt like I made a terrible crime.

That's how attached I am to FB.

Also I guess I annoyed Boon as well.

This is also why I hate being scum, sometimes I'm forced to make mean decissions for the sake of my win con.

[Luna Fox]

I like being a nice and honest* person when I play, and I can't do that when I'm scum.

*Honest? Well with all the early massclaiming lately in games I've been in I'm tempted to fake claim VT when I'm a PR.

[Luna Fox]

It is a terrible crime

I mean, to the point where I almost stopped playing

[Luna Fox]

Guilty conscience is a thing, and specially when i'm scum I have a hard time escaping that, I don't like deceiving people, it eats me inside.

[Luna Fox]

its not mean to scum read people for legit reasons.

its not mean to nk ppl.

I'm probably too nice a person to think otherwise.

[Luna Fox]

Also fun fact about this game, I was in only 1 lynch wagon, when I'm usually in almost every wagon.

[Luna Fox]

Well I have a hard time putting a good act to begin with.

It's also ingrained in my mind permanently thanks to Wisdom that because i am "THE PROZ SCUMZORS" because I used to have pretty good scum games, I got scumread and death tunneled almost every town game back in 2013-2016 more or less. Which now everytime i play as scum, I can't get that feeling of "IF I TRYHARD IM GONNA GET ML'D AS TOWN AGAIN" which mind blocks me from trying as hard as I can.

I managed to break that mind block this game but... that means the cycle will probably just repeat again.
And you know already how I feel about scumreads on me when i'm town:

I still think there's significantly more evidence pointing to {Dannflor / Cephrir / Goodies} than other living players, with Sakura as an additional that I'm like ehh about.
Shoshin's more likely to be scum than people I'm outright townreading but I don't

expect

her to flip scum very often at this time.

You know one of the things I hate the most in mafia is when i invest myself into a game and people skirt around the idea of me being scum driving my anxiety up because im sensitive to scumreads on me but not wanting to lynch me yet saying i shouldnt reach endgame because im super likely to be scum and just leaving me alive getting stressed out and not sure what to even do or say because people will generally want to ignore me because WIFOM or because "Could be scum" and then i die, by lynch most likely and people still ignore me because "Dead people" which just drives me of to "INSTEAD OF MAKING ME SUFFER JUST LYNCH ME ALREADY", and that's... literally how you and Oka are making me feel right now.

[Luna Fox]

If people actually just tunnel you because "Pro Scumzor" it's not your problem honestly, it's their inability to read you

I mean yeah sure.
But it's annoying coz back then a lot of games would be like
"I townread her for this and this and this"
"But she can fake that as scum"
"I townread her for this and this too"
"She can fake that too"

So much that "She can fake anything" became a meme.

[Luna Fox]

Btw, first time I encountered a fake guilty was RC, the fake guilty was actually on scum and earned RC a night kill, while i was town that game, i still didnt agree with it, and i blacklisted RC after that, months (or a year?) later i gave him a second chance and i havent seen him do that ever again, in fact, i actually enjoyed playing with him.

Later on encounter with Katsuki, who was fake claiming a lot, but still caught scum, i thought it could be fine, since at least it was his way of expressing his reads, next game he gets a guilty on scum and we ignore it coz "fake claimer" and then that person's actually scum (I quoted stuff from that game). And then there's Magical Girls where we mostly lost because Katsuki fake claimed Masons with scum and then gets Janitor killed.

Since then I made my resolve to not play with fake claimers again, hence why I disliked Boon's fake claim to the point of a blacklist even if it actually helped my team. However since Boon's someone that's fun to play with I'll give him a second chance but i dont want him fake claiming a guilty or inno as town and not retracting it before death in any games im with him, ever again.

[Luna Fox]

I feel like getting rid of Eddie was something that town needed to do and I agree with Oka that he shoulda been pled d2. OFC, your claim is that lynching him set up "the plan" but I really don't think it did as much as u guys think b/c town just wins if PP had the correct solve.

But town needs to all vote scum, and as long as one townie was fooled by "the plan" then scum wins.

[Luna Fox]

I kept pushing the Miller gambits everywhere, and if you hadn’t won a scum game with a miller gambit, what’re you even doing?

I'm an Universal miller

[Luna Fox]

ALSO, I know I’m insane, but in what world do I claim 6 shot gunsmith, out a gun result on RCEnigma, hard hard hard defend Idany and push NSG, let go of my NSG tunnel to calling her lock town, and then TOWN read the RCE slot.

On top of that, why would I EVER claim that shot on OkaPoka as scum, we had a full mass claim, and I had an easy out in just saying SS had a gun.

People know I’ve made insane gambits in the past, I literally CANT fake claim things like 6 shot gunsmith.

I was so incredibly honest, transparent, and truthful this game that y’all blew my lid when I was somehow pushed on Day 3.

-.-

Y’all think your salty about it, I went to grind some salt onto this dish, and the cap fell off and now my meal is ruined.

You were so obviously town this game i was suprised we managed a ML on you lol.
I almost thought we'd have to NK you and NC back to back.

[Luna Fox]

The funny thing is I didnt even have to switch my read on you because you were already hammered but I missed it
I actually thought my vote was L-1 coz i forgot you were self voting and forgot NC's vote.

[Luna Fox]

Sorry Boon, we've been on opposite sides on these last 3 games

[Luna Fox]

I was almost hesitant to join this game coz when fire invited me i was in already 2 other minis, then im like "well i want to play with fire again so... sure!" and then i roll scum so im like "GOD FUCKING DAMMIT".