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[Hectic]

A lot of people with scummy greetings; I have my eyes on you, Aloratom, tictac, and Wake. AaronFFrost is AaronFFrost. profii attempting to rekindle old memories from a previous game with AaronFF, in which they can reminisce and laugh about is scum-indicative; he's establishing early trust.

Scummy pop-in, Sir Cakez. Care to comment on the current wagons rather than place a vote on your scum buddy?

VOTE: SirCakez

[Hectic]

So, of course it's a reach, but do we have any hard info on meta-tells on any of these people?

Well, yeah, but why do you want to discuss those tells before the people potentially make them?

Side note: I'm honoured to play with you, sir. I heard about your 50 player large game, and I'm a huge fan.

[Hectic]

Rest well, Wake! Good luck at work.

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VOTE: HoldenGolden

It's been too long! That was my first game here, and you'll always have a special place in my heart for the RVS from that game. Are you nervous/excited to be back?

Don't mind the vote btw, I usually vote my townreads nowadays.

[Hectic]

hi hectic hi cat hi bob hi cakez !!

VOTE: Hectic

That's 4 greeting tells all in one post. Welcome to the

Field of Suspects

.

That said; hello again!

[Hectic]

Back then you were some box art. Now you are a lead game company character!

I already warmed up with a mirco so meh in general. I still feel overtly rusty for some reason, but that may be from clashes with college and the game pulling me into two different directions.

Oh dear, despite you remembering the RVS, you forgot the primary lesson! No this unacceptable! You don't vote your townread silly. While this is a step in the right direction, you...

Toe of Friendship! them!

And might I say my big TOF is pointing in some directions!

Remind me what my avatar was back then? I can't actually remember.

I'm often wrong about my reads, so I've found voting my townreads actually results in higher game winrates. I do have a

Pasture of Friends

I add people to eventually.

Where is your

TOF

pointing currently?

[Hectic]

It was the villager from werewolf! You then changed it shortly after to something else if I recall the events correctly.

Ah well if you have statistics on your side, who can argue? I guess the Figures of Scumhood could, but they are currently busy fighting with the lawyers of FOS for copyright infringement.

My TOF, all 10 of them, are pointing to my dog which is currently licking my feet. Maybe I should be concerned that my dog may have a foot fetish. But it is 2020, so societal progression for puppies I guess.

The good news is once she stops licking them, I can point to 10 people! These let's me have my fingers free to brutally murder the other two. That's the true power of TOF!

Oh yeah! It was the paranormal investigator:



I don't mean to raise alarm, but your dog may be pocketing you. Just something to be aware of.

[Hectic]

VOTE: profii

My mason buddies should have my back.

[Hectic]

And I like my mislynches very seasoned

as scum

Scum slip!!!!!

[Hectic]

And I like my mislynches very seasoned

as scum

Scum slip!!!!!

Now don't be so hasty there Hectic, Holden hasn't mislynched anyone this game... yet

Sounds like you're challenging him there, Aaron. I won't hold you back, Holden.

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hi hectic hi cat hi bob hi cakez !!

VOTE: Hectic

That's 4 greeting tells all in one post. Welcome to the

Field of Suspects

.

That said; hello again!

Aha! don't you realize that two greeting tells cancel each other out? ive got u now >:)

also ily (^ ω ^*)

You win this one, Morning Tweet, but only because you have emoji-indicative tells and ily2

I'm sure you what's coming if you don't cooperate though ʢ• ͡•ʡ

[Hectic]

So, of course it's a reach, but do we have any hard info on meta-tells on any of these people?

this is a wacky thing to say. do you usually commence the metadiving within the first couple of dozen posts?

I think it's a reference back to the 50p that Wake modded where metadiving was a very big thing.

I've seen/read though like 6 Wake games, but they were all town. I may or may not have gained some knowledge while impersonating him in the 50 player large for a bit. Wake, have you rolled scum in the last year?

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[quote="In Aha! don't you realize that two greeting tells cancel each other out? ive got u now >:)

also ily (^ ω ^*)

You win this one, Morning Tweet, but only because you have emoji-indicative tells and ily2

I'm sure you what's coming if you don't cooperate though ʢ• ͡•ʡ

(; ﹏ ; )

i hope

it's not

what i think it is

Oh, it is

…ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ

[Hectic]

CSF why do you hate day 1

Wake hates Day 1. He usually puts a disclaimer in the games he plays, but not always.

[Hectic]

It's okay, Morning Tweet. As long as you order llamas, alpacas, and elephants in a tier list, we're good as long as your ordering is correct.

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Yeah, Day 1 is pretty great. I really enjoy RVS and the joking around for most the day. I also really like Lylo and the stakes there funnily enough lol. Maybe I'm a masochist.

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I've been to LYLO twice ever, it is NOT my cup of tea.

ok-- im going to rank them in order of cuteness:

{Alpaca} I think they're super cute and fluffy. I like the evenness of their coat, whereas Llamas usually have really wild looking fur

{Llama} many similarities to alpaca. they look really cute when they're lying down and just look like a mound of fluft coming off the ground. but would probably ne less soft to pet, so im putting them just below alpaca

{Elephant} mildly scared of being trampled if i came near one, negative points there. i hear theyre afraid of mice, though, so i have a fairly deep personal connection there. in terms of cuteness, definitiely below the above fluffy boys. in terms of relatability, however, i definitely can feel a somewhat borderline spiritual connection on some fronts.

Not bad. My ordering would be Llama>Alpaca>Elephant. I expected you to place Elephants higher because of the mouse bias so I'm pleasantly surprised. You're off the hook for now.

The wildness of Llama's coats is exactly what makes them fantastic! Tell me this guy isn't fabulous:

Spoiler:

[Hectic]

Maybe I'm a masochist

You live in London so yes

It's a love/hate relationship

[Hectic]

What's up with the recycle?

What do you mean?

HoldenGolden and Morning Tweet on the hit list for eating my poor llamas.

[Hectic]

What do you mean?

I've seen u do the "fos everyone in first post" bit already.
I was looking forward to new material.

I don't use a gimmick every game; this is just me being me this game.

What meta do you have on me?? Need to know which scum/towntells to use.

[Hectic]

VOTE: AaronFFrost

Learnt anything alignment-wise so far, Aaron?

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I don't think excessive shitposting or joking around is AI for HoldenGolden. He reminds me a lot about myself in that he just enjoys memeing and will do so regardless of alignment.

Having said that, I am worried about not a single attempt to move out of RVS in any of his posts. One example was when I tried to engage on AI stuff regarding his TOF (townreads) in 31, but he replied with his dog being his strongest townread rather than talk about whether he had anyone as town yet.

Morning Tweet has one of the best readlists I've ever seen in my life.

[Hectic]

Waka flocka flame has rolled scum in the last year

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81560

Oh God lol. I remember reading a bit of that when it was happening and I thought Wake's entrance felt a lot townier than usual.

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Why did you not bring it up earlier hectic when it happened? Where you waiting for more from me to judge my slot?

Just a thought I had at the time, was waiting to see more. Anyway, I just checked back on our Rainforest game, and there were moments on page 1/2 where you talked about AI stuff while duelling me. Part of this was due to Fugitive forcing early content/AI stuff but also you called me town and asked insomnia what he thought of Fugitive's posts. May I ask for your opinion of your self-meta on getting out of RVS as scum/town?

[Hectic]

I read through the first couple of pages of the mini, and sure. So you didn't see anything AI in the first 4/5 pages, or just nothing worth inquiring into?

I don't like profii's pop in, though I might be biased. I like SirCakez for his read on you and ending RVS. I like tictac for coming in and managing to comment/question two AI stuff while almost everything was RVS/NAI. I kinda like Morning Tweet on tone.

[Hectic]

Could you explain your Morning Tweet tonal read?

Not really. Gut read based on being natural/carefree.

Also the bias part about profilililili. I'm assuming you two got some blood beef?

Lul, no. I just didn't like that was the only thing he commented on when popping in, but I'm aware that might be bias talking and that there wasn't a whole lot to comment on. Though, my initial read on him in 13 isn't actually a complete joke.

[Hectic]

I kinda agree with the Waka Waka townlean too, but could I hear your reasoning for it, Morning Tweet?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Bobman

[Hectic]

At first when he proposed doing meta dives out of the blue, i starting having a slight crackpot theory that scum!Wake wanted to gain town cred in a way that sticks out really well

Someone (you i think actually) asked him for an explanation of why he would want to out metas before people have a chance to even display them (which was a good point).

His answer of wanting to make people nervous and change their playstyles from the outted meta rather than simply observe whether their meta was the same seemed like a pretty good idea to me actually. And then dave answered my question of why he was so eager on the proposition. Overall I like him doing it as town better

I agree. I also liked his eagerness to use this 50 player large game as a resource.

Wake, as scum you play a little more reserved and your anger looks a lot more faked. So be nervous if you're scum.

[Hectic]

Lul, and so it begins.

[Hectic]

Having said that, I am worried about not a single attempt to move out of RVS in any of his posts. One example was when I tried to engage on AI stuff regarding his TOF (townreads) in 31, but he replied with his dog being his strongest townread rather than talk about whether he had anyone as town yet.

It's not like anyone else was trying to get us out of RVS either (other than Cakez, just now) so i'm not sure this is necessarily an AI thing, especially for Holden. I have limited experience with him though (first game on site which I had to sub out of).

Tentative townlean on Sircakez

I

[Hectic]

Having said that, I am worried about not a single attempt to move out of RVS in any of his posts. One example was when I tried to engage on AI stuff regarding his TOF (townreads) in 31, but he replied with his dog being his strongest townread rather than talk about whether he had anyone as town yet.

It's not like anyone else was trying to get us out of RVS either (other than Cakez, just now) so i'm not sure this is necessarily an AI thing, especially for Holden. I have limited experience with him though (first game on site which I had to sub out of).

Tentative townlean on Sircakez

I

Whoops.
I was more getting at the fact he answered my TOF/townread question with a joke rather than answer seriously with any potential townreads.

[Hectic]

Okay, what do you think of him now that he's playing seriously?

Alright. I liked his Morning Tweet observation, and his questions were fine.

[Hectic]

Weird that Wake went for meta instead of declaring his hatred for day 1. Town points there I think

What alignments has Waka Waka been when you've seen him declare Day 1 as the work of the abyssals? And if they're all town, then why does this difference earn him town points rather than scum points?

[Hectic]

I went ahead and compared Wake's entrance in this game to his scumgame that I modded and I think I agree with a townlean there. I think he's tonally different compared to that game and here he has a better interest in solving than he did there, specifically by bringing up the meta thing.

Well that's, well, that's interesting...

Interesting how?

1st question - no idea. Only played with him once or maybe twice

My logic is "didnt care to reproduce known meta = town"

Especially such an obvious meta

What if I told you that he hasn't done it in his only scumgame in the last year either?

[Hectic]

Where'd you go?

[Hectic]

That's a fair assumption not knowing my playstyle/history. I mainly asked since you cited two of the recent posts and not earlier ones which bothered me.

I do second the account hectic has put forward. As for the TOF point, I had not gather much on anybodyb AI wise at that point, and for the most part, still haven't.

Why did you not bring it up earlier hectic when it happened? Where you waiting for more from me to judge my slot?

Earlier shitposting is more justified
breaking the game out of RVS is always protown

I think he was referring to how you broke us out of RVS while stating it was always protown to do so.

[Hectic]

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Wow.

Nice try. -Klick

[Hectic]

Not even mad, Klick. Same timestamp down to the same second.

Where'd you go?

Are you town on Aaron now? Why the vote on bobman?

137 was town-indicative in that he didn't force anything, I think. And then he had a natural string of posts where he gave out some reads while he caught up.

Bobman since he hasn't posted anything that isn't fluff. Why Morning Tweet?

[Hectic]

137

[Hectic]

Cakez and Alo feel towny

Cakez is a qt pie for sure-- but why alo?

Mentioning qt's here for any particular reason?

Lul, she meant qt as in cutie; not quick topic, Dave.

[Hectic]

Lul, sorry, Dave. Guess we now know Morning Tweet wasn't crumbing PT Cop there.

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Hectic]

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This why I use different browsers, Cat Scratch Fever! One can only be so careful lol

@Wake -- Bob told me to stuff it. This decreases my confidence level significantly.

I'm assuming everything you've said about Bobman is in jest? Do you have a serious read on his joking around so far based on your experience with him?

[Hectic]

I agree with Aloratom being town but for different reasons. Contrary to Waka Waka strats, I'm gonna withhold the reasoning for the metaread until later.

[Hectic]

Morning Tweet has the greatest readlists in the known universe.

[Hectic]

PT cop would be the very last thing I'd think of.
Hinting you know someone has a PT on day 1 is a traitor tell.

This is really towny for looking for potential traitors dropping crumbs.

[Hectic]

tictac:

Were you hinting at something more in 93, or just kidding around?

Aloratom:

What are your thoughts on Bobman's 223 and 228?

profii:

What's your opinion of GammaEmerald's posting so far?

GammaEmerald:

Do you think Wake coming out strong is an AI thing?

Cat Scratch Fever:

Do you own any cats? This is very important.

davesaz:

Who is your favourite philosopher from history? You have philosopher-indicative tells.

[Hectic]

VOTE: GammaEmerald

[Hectic]

I don't know whether it makes Hectic town or scum that he ignored my comment about him not inspiring confidence.

Go on then, Sir Cakez.

Bob told me to get a life. I thought that was funny. And appropriate.

As far as my scum meta goes, he may be right. I don't know. There's not much of a sample to work with there.

Did he? I got the impression he was questioning whether or not you were joking.

[Hectic]

davesaz: Who is your favourite philosopher from history? You have philosopher-indicative tells.

I'm actually more an inventor / polymath type, but The Thinker embraces the general idea of thinking twice (or more) and acting once. So I don't really have a favorite philosopher per se. Da Vinci from the renaissance era, Edison from the modern.

Very nice. Dave locktown for this. My favourite modern inventor is Tim Berners-Lee.

Hectic do you sense that the alo vs wake debate will conclude in some alignment indicative clues (those 2 players or otherwise)

It seems like much ado about nothing which is ultimately a distraction

Do you mean Alo vs Bobman? If so; yes. I can see scum!Aloratom dancing around Bobman's serious question of why he was asking him that that, and what he was hoping to learn from it, and responding with a joke in 231.

Also, I kinda want to have more of Aloratom's ISO be talking about the Bobman.

[Hectic]

Hectic... nah, I meant alo and wake... see above

Oh. Absolutely not lol. I'd step in but I was told off earlier for answering a question not directed at me. Do you think Wake's persistence is genuine?

[Hectic]

I can never tell with Wake. I've had my fair share of scumreading him because of his aggressive/overconfident style he adopts the longer the game goes on. You question whether he actually believes the stuff he's saying at times, a lot due to the way he says it. Though, in this case actually, I think the misunderstanding on his part is completely NAI.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

I cant help but wonder why you think there was even a alort vs bob. Based on the interaction we had you could say that about anyone even askign anything of anyone in this game

Seems to me that you trying to make something out of nothing

Damn, Bob. You've foiled my plan of pitting you and Aloratom off against each other!

No, but I just assumed Bobman vs Aloratom was referring to your two's interactions. Vs is a term that is very loosely used in mafia.

[Hectic]

How about asking me about someone other than Bob? As cool a cat Bob is, I feel the bad guys are running under the radar.

Alright. If you had to vig shoot and protect in {Gamma Emerald, tictac, profii} tonight, who would your targets be, and why?

One more thing: Have you ever been in a private topic with Bobman before?

[Hectic]

tictac

, do you agree with this consensus of Waka Waka town? Do you think anyone townreading him at the moment is doing so to go along with the flow/majority?

Gamma Emerald

, anyone you want to lock up yet? Or perhaps just refer to the Criminal Investigation Department?

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

what consensus that wake is town?

Maybe not consensus, but I've seen a fair few townreading him.

[Hectic]

Wake vs Alo may be TvS

Why? I still don't understand how these reads work btw, do you feel S is more likely to be one side, or you just get the feeling their interactions are scummy in some way?

[Hectic]

Hectic do you sense that the alo vs wake debate will conclude in some alignment indicative clues (those 2 players or otherwise)

It seems like much ado about nothing which is ultimately a distraction

Hectic... nah, I meant alo and wake... see above

Oh. Absolutely not lol. I'd step in but I was told off earlier for answering a question not directed at me. Do you think Wake's persistence is genuine?

Not particularly

Hectic... nah, I meant alo and wake... see above

Oh. Absolutely not lol. I'd step in but I was told off earlier for answering a question not directed at me. Do you think Wake's persistence is genuine?

Not particularly

Actually changed my mind. The first time I played with wake I found his seemingly exaggerated persistence annoying

It came from a place of town and it's happening again I think.

I thought your first post was signifying you don't expect the interaction to yield anything alignment-indicative. But then you suggest you don't buy Wake's push in the second, and that you do and that it's town-indicative in the third.
I'm more interested to hear you progression between the first and second post though.

[Hectic]

Aloratom

HoldenGolden

profii

Cat Scratch Fever

Morning Tweet

Wake88

davesaz

SirCakez

AaronFrost

bob3141

tictac

Gamma Emerald

288

[Hectic]

The reason I have you bottom of my reads is because the stances you've taken thus far are easy and ones taken by a few others already (dave and Wake town). I want to hear more reasoning/independent thoughts from you, which is why I'm asking if your Eyes of Misgiving are pointing anywhere yet.

[Hectic]

If you must know, Holden: The centre is towny, and the outer edges are scummy.

[Hectic]

The early readslists and questioning I've been doing on an alt of mine with decent results; trying it out here now! Sir Cakez, why is the progression not there for a readslist? Not all the reads are substanceful/have good reasoning behind them - some are just thoughts and feelings.

My Aloratom ping is essentially entirely based around 288. I wanted to hold off on saying why but for the sake of transparency and all that: Scum!Aloratom has this habit where he tries to sound

too

transparent, as if he's overdoing it while explaining his thought process. It's hard to articulate but you should get what I mean by reading it. He did a lot of that as scum in the last mystery box game.

How dare you call my questions generic, Aaron. They're handpicked and excellently woven to yield the best alignment-indicative replies you'll ever see.

[Hectic]

how would you say your stance differ?


Not saying your doign the same but what to hear in your words how you woudl describe every push and stance you have taken and how you think it compares.


Also do you think any of his thoughts? Even as if they are as you suggest unoriginal?

As its bit easy to say unoriginal to interact while also avoiding truely commenting on them

I think taking less natural stances and explaining less thought processes is scum-indicative in general but especially for Gamma. Usually as town he's a lot more active and transparent. It's as if he recieved the

Running Shoes

early on, but then decided to walk around barefoot through Hoenn. It's just not right.

[Hectic]

Newly Revised NON-Generic Questions

AaronFFrost:

You're on a sinking ship. The load on the deck is too heavy. However, you can throw 2 of [Bobman, tictac, profii, HoldenGolden] overboard to save humanity. Who'll it be?

Morning Tweet

: [Waka Waka] has gifted you [Cop, Vig, and Neighbouriser] shots. Very generous of him, and you give him a nod of approval as thanks. How do you use your newly found powers?

tictac:

You're taking a leisurely stroll on the top of the Empire State Building when you notice [Aloratom] manically talking to himself by the edge. Seems like he's chanting about the Bobman; he might jump! Do you:

• Ask Hectic to lay a ladder out on the building's side.
  
• Ask Davesaz to do a drive-by on his electrically-powered flying scooter.
  
• Remind Aloratom of the
  power of friendship
  .

[Hectic]

I think a lot of the players in this game have done very little that's AI. I'm not the only one who feels this way. It feels weird that you somehow could pull a full readslist out of that. And what's the point doing so so early?

It's NAI. I've been putting out full readlists (without explanations) as early as page 3/4 in other games. Like I said, a lot is gut in the early stages.

[Hectic]

Mastina's my alt, yeah.

[Hectic]

Alright. If you had to vig shoot and protect in {Gamma Emerald, tictac, profii} tonight, who would your targets be, and why?

Is that a possible role?

One more thing: Have you ever been in a private topic with Bobman before?

I'm not aware of having been.

Not sure actually. Witches can heal/kill, I suppose.

[Hectic]

Bear with me, Aaron. Let's say you throw tictac and Bob off but they both land on a lifeboat. They're now bloodthirsty and looking for revenge. tictac's holding a harpoon, and Bob wields several walls which he could potential lay out to climb back up to the deck.

You look behind you to consult profii and HoldenGolden, but they've both fallen asleep with their respective dogs sitting comfortably on their chests. This is problematic.

Who do you phone for help in [Gamma Emerald, AaronFFrost, Aloratom]?

[Hectic]

Thank you wake you are very kind!

I would cop the hardest to read player in the pool of players who hasn't contributed too much yet. Either because they're good at scum or lack an easily accessible meta. Lol I want to say bob just because I haven't been able to read him in the past. but I think i'd probably actually go for Gamma or tictac since I think there's hope I can figure out bob this time around

Vig someone? i don't want to vig someone d1 unless i had a really good reason, a better reason than "can't read" or "doesnt post much". So i'd save it for later, running the risk I lose it but I think that'd be better than accidentally shooting a townie that hasn't done anything wrong

I'd neighbourize hectic, without a doubt. He's the coolest!

This is actually a pretty towny answer for a joke question. The not actually picking someone to vig out of paranoia/fear of a hypothetical situation is towny... I think?
Also, gonna be mad if I'm neighbourhoodless after tonight, Morning Tweet.

[Hectic]

...

I don't expect to get anything AI from 404 and 429 if that wasn't clear. I'm just having fun.

[Hectic]

Actually kinda surprised Aaron took my question so seriously too, since he's seen me joke post like this plenty of times.

[Hectic]

That's clearly not all I'm doing though. Dave, why don't you consider 346, 401, 402, or 430 as scumhunting?

[Hectic]

V/LA until the 24th. I'll still be trying to read and contribute when I can.

profii, I went looking for them.
AaronFF, the questions weren't serious.

Aloratom's last post is scummy because he states a hypothesis, then acknowledges evidence which disproves his hypothesis, but then makes the false conclusion that he wants anyway.

[Hectic]

It's basically just putting out early readlists and being more transparent, Hodlne. The joking is definitely still there.

Since I'm probably never using this alt again: Paragon

[Hectic]

It's basically just putting out early readlists and being more transparent, Hodlne. The joking is definitely still there.

Since I'm probably never using this alt again: Paragon

OHMYGOD!!!!!

in hindsight, I probably should've realized that when you brought up the.... thingies

I assumed you'd figured it out

[Hectic]

Yeah, and I even asked you to rank 3 animals like I did in Marker lul

Donnie was so much fun, basically a dream setup for me where joking around was

protown

. I don't think I'm ever gonna stop calling Spiffeh Donnie Brasco in random other games. That guy exudes Donnie vibes.

[Hectic]

tictac's play so far is a stark contrast to their last 3 town games, and fits more with their most recent scumgame.

One
Two
Three
Scumgame - replaced out

In the town games, they have a lot of thoughts, and are straight in there from the start with the solving. Scumgame has less reasoning provided with posts.

In this game, they didn't make any attempts to solve and have only fluff posted, which is the polar opposite of their town meta.

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

[Hectic]

The PR claim doesn't really change anything for me. Sorry :c

Btw, I still scumread Gamma: Any particular reason you're struggling to get into this game, Gamma? Why the Misty vote, and do you have any other reads to share?

Misty, is it bad that I just realised your shirt pocket is actually a thumbs up?

[Hectic]

If tictac-Chem is scum and Alo is town, it's an easy bus;

Why

easy

bus? Aloratom is an easy counterwagon to push as a mislynch in the case Misty is scum. Why go for the bus over the mislynch?

Okay, I have another important question, Misty. Is that the moon in the background behind you, or your hat? Also, if it is a hat; can I have it if we lynch you? I know it's kind of awkward considering the circumstances, but I'd really appreciate it.

[Hectic]

Thanks!!! I won't let you down.

[Hectic]

Is this better?

I have a strong feeling that it's more likely scum would bus tictac than try the counterwagon when the counterwagon just feels objectively weaker.

I guess I might be biased, I only think Alo is scummy because of interactions (or lack of) with tictac, and not really independently scummy on his own

I think you're right in the case for votes that come after the case I made. Before that it was just a wagon that was pressuring a lurker, and Aloratom was also a reasonable option.

Cat Scratch Fever, I just realised I've had a quote from you on my wiki page without even knowing it. You sneaky....... cat.

[Hectic]

Misty, what do you think you would claim as scum here?

[Hectic]

Not really. AFF's probably town.

[Hectic]

I don't get the logic there either, SirCakez. His scumread on one is dependent on the other being scum.

[Hectic]

Check his wiki. The graph also correlates to his towniness.

More votes on Misty everyone. I don't see anything better than the metacase today.

[Hectic]

Thanks for that, Dave.

[Hectic]

In fact, you've inspired me to make more.

[Hectic]

Nono that is absolutely hilarious and perfectly fitting

Who's Misty hectic?

tictac/Chemist1422

[Hectic]

Bob, you answered it right there. Chemist hasn't said much yet is voting alo hence why a SvS makes some sense.

Wouldn't Misty/Aloratom bus and push each other more strongly at this point, given they're the only two wagons? I think them both being scum is very unlikely actually.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Dave


Time for more serous vote than mine on hectic.


Hectic if your not scum, so far every game together has been town town

Actually, we've had a game where you were scum and I was town. I was playing on an alt and you murdered me in cold blood on night 1. Flavor Leaf was in the game and mislynched Ankamius. I'm sure that rings a bell :v

[Hectic]

What do you think of my tictac case though, Bob?

[Hectic]

Oh, you're saying you don't want to lynch Misty because even as scum he doesn't give much info. Interesting approach but I still think it has a higher likelihood than anything so best lynch.

Wait, I need to check if Gamma's posted since last time.

[Hectic]

Okay, I'd switch to Gamma if people wanted to do that. The way he's played this game is highly scum-indicative for him.

Otherwise, Misty is best lynch.

[Hectic]

It's in part a cross-game activity tell that we can't go into.

[Hectic]

Wait, what? Wake, why don't you like Day 1? I got the impression you really enjoyed it from how you've played in games I'm in.

[Hectic]

Misty's still on L-2. No time for another wagon at this point.

Make it happen, people.

[Hectic]

Tweet

[Hectic]

I think people have been asking about whether you're happy with your predecessor's vote on Aloratom, Misty.

[Hectic]

[Gamma, profii, bob] are the looking into pool. I'm gonna join Morning on a dive on Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Hectic]

So, one reason for Misty being so demotivated might have been that Aloratom vs Misty was SvS, and there was no way out of a scum lynch one way or another. However, I would've expected them to bus a little more rather than Aloratom switch vote last minute.

But THEN there is this:

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

Aloratom joins the Aaron wagon which kinda suggests he might be trying to create one that isn't him/Misty.

[Hectic]

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

You never addressed the reasoning behind this vote, Aloratom.

[Hectic]

3 of us so far think you're not scumhunting.

Pedit @ SirCakez -- no, you're on to something. Joke posting can indeed be cover for fake scumhunting.

That's clearly not all I'm doing though. Dave, why don't you consider 346, 401, 402, or 430 as scumhunting?

Did you look for those posts or do you just have a reference bank of posts to demonstrate your scum hunting prowess

It was a genuine question

profii what are you getting at there?

Probably best to let hectic respond seeing as the post was directed at him

Why did you ask this, profii?

[Hectic]

Profii, what did you do last Night?

Morning Tweet, what'd you do last Night?

Why are you asking this, Wake? Do you have reason to know about them in particular?

[Hectic]

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

You never addressed the reasoning behind this vote, Aloratom.

Need you to address this, Aloratom. I want to hear why you voted for AFF there.

[Hectic]

tictac/Chemist didn't get in a 1vs1 with anyone. A scum lynch who doesn't get in a 1vs1 with anyone is always hard for me to figure out who their scum buddies could be. Alora was the counter wagon to Chemist and do you guys think scum tried to make a counter wagon? I recall on 2 of my completed games when there was a wagon one one of the scum players they made a second wagon.

Hey, Adorable, your avatar is way too overpowered. I talked about that a little in 757, do you see that as an attempt by scum!Aloratom to start a counterwagon?

[Hectic]

I wasn't going to comment on the question to profii but asking two different people I found strange. I'm gonna assume you have a reason and say nothing more on it.

[Hectic]

My prediction is that Wake just outed 3 town PRs all in one post lol

Let's not talk about anything more regarding this

[Hectic]

Would scum Chemist leave their rvs vote on a scum buddy like that or would scum Chemist leave his rvs vote on Aloratom hoping Aloratom would get lynched

Regarding this point: I could see Misty being afraid that moving his vote off of Aloratom shows Aloratom is more likely to be his buddy since it'd be really strange for Misty to vote anyone other than the only other viable wagon.

Aloratom dodging all the remarks/questions about his AFF vote make me feel a lot worse about him.

[Hectic]

Now that I think about it, what are the odds 3 town PRs all targeted me last night? One of Morning or Dave could be a scum rolecop/roleblocker.

There's better people to look into right now outside of those 2 for mech reasons though, so no need to claim or talk further about this for now, Morning or Dave.

[Hectic]

Wait,

Heretic had a threesome....and didnt invite me?!?

Not cool my dude not cool.

Your fault dude, they all just showed up at my house uninvited. Good thing I decided not to active my PGO last night.

Adorable, so you're getting at the fact he wanted to avoid interacting with anyone because a scum lynch between him/Aloratom was already sealed and he didn't want to leave associatives? Or am I misinterpreting your point?

[Hectic]

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[Hectic]

Adorable, you do realise that Misty was lynched and flipped scum... right?

[Hectic]

I like your recent posts, Aloratom; I'd missed your progression on AaronFF earlier.

Please accept this Enlightened Bidoof as an apology:

[Hectic]

Oh, 614 came after 557 lul. I think he does believe his reasoning in that post though.

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[Hectic]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

There were 3 others on 1 vote at the time of these posts, and Cakez' was the first on AFF, so this isn't as opportunistic as I remember.

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[Hectic]

Fair point, Adorable. Do you have any suspicions on players at the moment? How do you feel about joining Morning and I on pressuring Gamma?

[HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, profii, Adorable, davesaz, Morning, bob3141]

Primes.

[Hectic]

Would you eat a cooked llama burger?

[Hectic]

I would join that game, but only to raise awareness of your horrific actions against humanity and to form a save-the-llamas-coalition. I think lynching naysayers would be more important than lynching scum in that game. Back me up here, Morning.

[Hectic]

Hoctac here. Disappointed no one picked up on my PGO crumb from earlier; I thought it was pretty great.

Pinged by profii's 873 and 874. Looks disinegenous and more like fake scum hunting - in the same vein of him asking me about whether I had an encyclopedia of posts where I was scumhunting.

Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

Gamma, have you read the thread?

[Hectic]

Out of interest - @Bob - who in this player list has the most respect for your scum hunting skills?

I hope someone does

You are a scumhunting god, bobman

How do you feel about Hectic?

Why did you ask bobman that, Dave?

[Hectic]

Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

Its not a full VCA; its not necessarily analyzing the motives for everyone coming onto the wagons and seems more him removing wake from it due to the town read. I do find it funny posts like that get called VCA though when a VCA in theory is much more indepth.

Gamma where are you at game and read wise? You feel reserved.

I’m pretty much nowhere when it comes to the game but I’ll get there eventually. Reads I’ll politely decline to answer.

Now please answer me straight for my question because that is just subverting it.

Gamma, why are you concerned with making Holden answer your question about why Bobman is doing VCA? Why not ask Bobman directly?

[Hectic]

I wouldn't expect gamma to bus, it would have been easy to vote alo and just say something generic like "probably shouldn't lynch a PR guys" rather than a seemingly naked vote

So I'm not going to join the wagon, still happy with aaron

Really? I would see that reasoning as really scummy if anyone had tried it yesterday.

Gamma was voting Misty without giving any reasons for Misty being scum. It's not like he was trying to convince us it was the best vote, so his vote probably didn't make a huge difference on the end result of the day's outcome.

[Hectic]

Hmmm I'm struggling to read people for the most part here. Not really finding any SRs so far other than that early Holden ping which is odd for me.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling the same way rn. I have no real scum reads and a few weak town leans on cakez, dave and hectic.

I town read all these players

-Hectic was the target of many actions, no one is jumping up and saying 'this is potentially a guilty' so I'm assuming nothing untowards
-Cakez flipped town
-Dave, I think I've seen a dave town tell but it only happened recently


so the weird thing is, even though it's weak, Aaron got 3 reads 'right' as far as my mind is working, way earlier in the game. I don't mean to infer that this is not possible or I am a superior player obviously - but I'm obviously getting at the point that scum just know so it could easily be that.

You're scumreading Aaron because he got 3 reads right, 2 of which might still be wrong? You're using your own assessment of your townreads on Hectic/Dave to establish AaronFF is probably right about them, and TMIed them early. That's... not great reasoning, especially since AFF listed them as "weak town leans".

[Hectic]

Morning feels like she's focusing too much about finding "the" scum that was bussing. I'm not sure where this confidence comes from and it kinda feels agenda-driven honestly. Morning, can you see a world where both scum were off the Misty wagon? Don't make me bring out the chinchillas - unless they're like an edge case that you're actually really fond of.

Gamma, can we get a reads list from you?

[Hectic]

Hmmm I'm struggling to read people for the most part here. Not really finding any SRs so far other than that early Holden ping which is odd for me.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling the same way rn. I have no real scum reads and a few weak town leans on cakez, dave and hectic.

I town read all these players

-Hectic was the target of many actions, no one is jumping up and saying 'this is potentially a guilty' so I'm assuming nothing untowards
-Cakez flipped town
-Dave, I think I've seen a dave town tell but it only happened recently


so the weird thing is, even though it's weak, Aaron got 3 reads 'right' as far as my mind is working, way earlier in the game. I don't mean to infer that this is not possible or I am a superior player obviously - but I'm obviously getting at the point that scum just know so it could easily be that.

You're scumreading Aaron because he got 3 reads right, 2 of which might still be wrong? You're using your own assessment of your townreads on Hectic/Dave to establish AaronFF is probably right about them, and TMIed them early. That's... not great reasoning, especially since AFF listed them as "weak town leans".

Well I dont see any players putting billboards up with the game solve on so...

No, but my point is that your reason for scumreading Aaron relies on you being right on 2 townreads, and thinking that AaronFF was TMI reading them town rather than actually just having decent reads early.

That's a lot of assumptions to make.

[Hectic]

Morning:

Why did you stay on profii for the entirety of yesterday, despite you being the only person not voting for one of the two wagons (Aloratom and tictac). profii clearly wasn't going to happen, so why didn't you pick a side?

[Hectic]

Hate to break it to you, but you're favourite to get lynched here, Gamma. I'd start placing bets but I have faith in your ability to prove us wrong.

still, gonna put a small bet on now just in case

[Hectic]

Hmmm I'm struggling to read people for the most part here. Not really finding any SRs so far other than that early Holden ping which is odd for me.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling the same way rn. I have no real scum reads and a few weak town leans on cakez, dave and hectic.

I town read all these players

-Hectic was the target of many actions, no one is jumping up and saying 'this is potentially a guilty' so I'm assuming nothing untowards
-Cakez flipped town
-Dave, I think I've seen a dave town tell but it only happened recently


so the weird thing is, even though it's weak, Aaron got 3 reads 'right' as far as my mind is working, way earlier in the game. I don't mean to infer that this is not possible or I am a superior player obviously - but I'm obviously getting at the point that scum just know so it could easily be that.

You're scumreading Aaron because he got 3 reads right, 2 of which might still be wrong? You're using your own assessment of your townreads on Hectic/Dave to establish AaronFF is probably right about them, and TMIed them early. That's... not great reasoning, especially since AFF listed them as "weak town leans".

Well I dont see any players putting billboards up with the game solve on so...

No, but my point is that your reason for scumreading Aaron relies on you being right on 2 townreads, and thinking that AaronFF was TMI reading them town rather than actually just having decent reads early.

That's a lot of assumptions to make.

So, do you get why I see this as alarming, profii?

[Hectic]

Gamma could you do a light reread and give a thought on maybe like just one player?

Morning:

Why did you stay on profii for the entirety of yesterday, despite you being the only person not voting for one of the two wagons (Aloratom and tictac). profii clearly wasn't going to happen, so why didn't you pick a side?

Regardless of tictac-Chem's alignment, i felt the case was good enough where scum would jump on if Alo is scum (or its TvT), as a counterwagon, or if tictac is scum, as a bus. additionally, when profii joined it, it gave me a sense of validation on that read.

as for alo, i didnt agree with Dave/Wakes original reason for voting and never got anything from Alo that could possibly override tictac-chem's behaviour coupled with the tictac meta

i probably should've made it more clear, but id have voted to finish off either wagon if it was required, i wasnt expecting profii to be lynched instead or anything like that

Alright, your explanation for your thought process does sound somewhat reasonable. I just find it interesting how you're focusing so much on scum bussing while being off the wagon yourself.

If you are scum, I think it's almost certainly with someone off wagon in {davesaz, AaronFrost, Waka Waka, bobman}

Morning + AaronFFrost
Morning + Waka Waka
Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

AFF is still town based on meta. Waka Waka is quite clearly a town watcher with the way he claimed. So:

Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

You and Dave both wouldn't target me as scum PRs. So:

Morning + bobman

bobman interestingly enough, you seem to have labelled a bobman as a "it's weird but it's a bobman" read in 755 and 622. You also called a bobman confusing and possibly defending his buddy in 939 and 942, but you've not asked one bobman any question or attempted to solve the bobman in any way today.

I honestly think that if Morning is scum here, bobman is kinda very likely to be her partner.

This is for post game more than anything at the moment though.

[Hectic]

Alright, your explanation for your thought process does sound somewhat reasonable. I just find it interesting how you're focusing so much on scum bussing while being off the wagon yourself.

If you are scum, I think it's almost certainly with someone off wagon in {davesaz, AaronFrost, Waka Waka, bobman}

Morning + AaronFFrost
Morning + Waka Waka
Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

AFF is still town based on meta. Waka Waka is quite clearly a town watcher with the way he claimed. So:

Morning + davesaz
Morning + bobman

You and Dave both wouldn't target me as scum PRs. So:

Morning + bobman

bobman interestingly enough, you seem to have labelled a bobman as a "it's weird but it's a bobman" read in 755 and 622. You also called a bobman confusing and possibly defending his buddy in 939 and 942, but you've not asked one bobman any question or attempted to solve the bobman in any way today.

I honestly think that if Morning is scum here, bobman is kinda very likely to be her partner.

This is for post game more than anything at the moment though.

im too intimidated by Bob's scumhunting prowess to question him

the main question i had was pretty much "If Chem was 50/50, why would you not vote her", which i think Aaron if not multiple others asked, and i learned pretty much nothing from his responses. and now today he's mostly doing a pseudo VCA thing that im not sure how to approach asking about

why are you suddenly doing a full on examination of potential scum pairings with me in them? Not to mention, you remove all possible scum partners on the tictac wagon because apparently id be too scared to implicate them..?

i also dont know your aaron meta read, but I think you probably already explained it and i just need to check back on it

It's okay, his typos per post rate is currently pretty low.

Your approach is designating lynches on the wagon of the scum-lynch, which is massively advantageous to you if you're scum with someone off-wagon. That's why I'm looking into it.

Regarding AaronFF: It's a metaread based on how open and transparent he's being. His lack of reads early game was also town-indicative; scum!Aaron in the past has entered the gate with very confident early reads that aren't justified.

[Hectic]

Interesting that my name popped up.

I would have you explain that, Hectic.

What do you want explained about it?

Hate to break it to you, but you're favourite to get lynched here, Gamma. I'd start placing bets but I have faith in your ability to prove us wrong.

still, gonna put a small bet on now just in case

Why exactly is he the favorite, though?

Because he has this star quality about him; it's hard to describe. He also has the most votes. The case on him as that he's been very disengaged and has struggled to make reads/stances.

[Hectic]

However, even then this is pretty much the kind of player I expected Hectic to be in regular games. im not convinced that meming around is a scumtell for Hectic. Unless I'm misinterpreting the case

Hectic's memeing isn't AI, that's just the Hectic I know and love (<3). Having played with him enough seeing both his town and scum games I think I have a decent tell on him that's related to his gimmicks which is why I need to know if his questions are serious.

AaronFF, wouldn't revealing this tell on me defeat the question of asking me whether my questions were serious? Aren't I just going to answer no as scum no matter what?

[Hectic]

Also, how does it work, does that player sit in the hood, bringing people in, or by targeting them does it slowly build up, or is it mod choice

I

think

it depends on the mod. Some neighbourisers make new hoods while some add to the same one.

What do you think of Dave, everyone who's online?

[Hectic]

I want to wagon Dave. Gotta go now but I saw stuff earlier I didn't like.

Holden was calling me up last night telling me he saw Dave in his dreams, apparently there was a strongman roleblocker involved and Dave was laughing maniacally. Need to ask him about that later.

[Hectic]

Hey guys I'll catch up with this tonight, or at least try to

Sounds great, AaronFF. Seeing you post has already brightened up my day.

[Hectic]

So you'd lynch me with the intention to flip me as town, so that you can clear the town watcher that is probably the nightkill tonight? Am I understanding that correctly?

[Hectic]

Also, your logic is very flawed. It's entirely possible scum!Wake picks town with his watcher ability. Why are you so sure he would pick his scum buddy "defensively"?

I'm really struggling to see how this line of logic comes from town.

[Hectic]

Yeah, okay; profii's probably town.

(Gamma Emerald, Dave, Morning, Bobman) is my pool. I actually think Wake's theory has merit, and we should look into Dave and Morning more today.

Pedit: Fantastic vote, Aloratom!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Hectic]

I want to wagon Dave. Gotta go now but I saw stuff earlier I didn't like.

Holden was calling me up last night telling me he saw Dave in his dreams, apparently there was a strongman roleblocker involved and Dave was laughing maniacally. Need to ask him about that later.

Unfortunately while you were busy fornicating with two other people, I forget my dream as my journal wasn't near by to record it. My catcher as well was broken. Was it dave? Why dave?

@Wake as well, who out of dave and MT are you reading as scum?

Do you say 2 instead of 3 because it's implied that Waka Waka is watching through the window? Not cool, Waka.

Pedit: I mean I considered that possibility, Dave... did you crumb it earlier?

[Hectic]

So, 2 PRs have already claimed lul. Maybe we out Morning at this point and see if the power level is reasonable for a watcher + doc + ???. Don't take that as an invitation to out yet, Morning.

I think we should play it like this:

Morning, if you have a

strong

role, and don't think it should exist with Dave/Wake,

and

a potential town neighbouriser out there, then you should "counterclaim" and I think it's beneficial to actually lynch the scummiest of you 3.

If your role is weak/moderate power level, then you should keep quiet, and I think we just ignore you 3 since scum can't really afford to leave all the PRs alive.

Actually, having just thought that all out, I think it's best we just leave you all alive regardless and see who scum kills, and then look at the survivors more closely.

[Hectic]

Yeah, sorry, let's just carry on. Gamma wagon is fine. I think Bobman is a good wagon. I need to have another look at Adorable.

[Hectic]

So you'd lynch me with the intention to flip me as town, so that you can clear the town watcher that is probably the nightkill tonight? Am I understanding that correctly?

its risk reward. You have rightly identified the risk. The reward is that the remaining scum is you + wake and wed get a perfect town victory if we went there.

Also, your logic is very flawed. It's entirely possible scum!Wake picks town with his watcher ability. Why are you so sure he would pick his scum buddy "defensively"?

I'm really struggling to see how this line of logic comes from town.

It's not flawed at all. I explained why a scum watcher would look at the player executing the factional kill, to ensure the player doesnt get tripped up by town PRs

I did exactly this in 2 previous scum games of mine, alo can attest to it.

I want to go back to this for a bit, profii.

When you suggested we lynch me to clear/incriminate Wake, did you not consider the fact 2 other PRs had also targeted me, and the odds that one of them would be an investigative is moderate? Considering the fact no one's come forward with a guilty on me, that gives me extra town points. Why didn't you consider that in your line of reasoning?

I understand that scum!you isn't actually trying to get me lynched here, but I'm wary that scum!you would propose an out there idea like that to get townread.

[Hectic]

Voyeur is a lot more useful since you can get the role used. Watcher just gets the name.

Don't you think scum!Wake could just as easily be trying to watch town to catch some other town PRs? Let's say we lynch me and I flip town, with how much confidence are you willing to say that Wake is a TOWN watcher? Like, percentage-wise.

[Hectic]

AaronFF popped in for lunch earlier. Over some smoked salmon bagels, we talked about how profii could just be completely BSing this theory in order to make content and get townread for "nuance". AaronFF didn't even finish his bagel, he gave me a nod and he was out of the front door in seconds. I think he's working on the theory now.

[Hectic]

You didn't answer the question, profii. I'm concerned about whether you actually believe what you believe.

[Hectic]

*believe what you say

[Hectic]

I'm asking you how confident you'd be that Wake was town if I flipped town.

[Hectic]

VOTE: profii

Yeah, I don't think profii believes what he's saying here. In 1020, he mentions it would "clear" Waka but then later when confronted with why he'd discount scum!Waka watching a townie to potentially find other town PRs, he has no answer. I think he stated soemthing that most would think "only town would propose/think of soemthing bizarre like that" - but that doesn't exactly hold up when you can't explain your thought process behind it.

Would like to wagon profii alongside Gamma.

[Hectic]

Voyeur is a lot more useful since you can get the role used. Watcher just gets the name.

Don't you think scum!Wake could just as easily be trying to watch town to catch some other town PRs? Let's say we lynch me and I flip town, with how much confidence are you willing to say that Wake is a TOWN watcher? Like, percentage-wise.

Voyeur is a lot more useful since you can get the role used. Watcher just gets the name.

Don't you think scum!Wake could just as easily be trying to watch town to catch some other town PRs? Let's say we lynch me and I flip town, with how much confidence are you willing to say that Wake is a TOWN watcher? Like, percentage-wise.

Normally you dont pay me any attention, yet you seem really concerned about me talking about this theory even though you said you dont think I'm trying to lynch you

Honestly, I'm flattered

You didn't answer the question, profii. I'm concerned about whether you actually believe what you believe.

*believe what you say

If I'm right im the greatest scum hunter in this game. You are asking me have I got the balls to push hard for this glory?

He deflects when further questioned about it in both of these posts.

[Hectic]

It's a weird one though. I don't believe your claim... I think you're a scum neighborizor

Also, explain this.

Dave just claimed doc and was confirmed to have been visiting me by Waka. If he's a scum neighbouriser, then I would be in a hood with him and could just say "hang on a sec, Dave, why you claiming doc, m8?"

How did you think he could've been a scum neighbouriser crumbing that switched his claim to doc?

[Hectic]

I think profii is just saying things he thinks will sound natural/towny, but if you take a proper look beneath the surface of these things, you find there's a hollow abyss underneath, completely devoid of light or life.

Never go cheap on infrastructure, people.

[Hectic]

Scum had a 1-shot Jailkeeper which might've been for this scenario, but they could also have a roleblocker of some sort.

Waka and Dave shouldn't establish who they're targeting in-thread. They should just follow their hearts in the night and try and predict who scum picks.

1109 from profii placates me somewhat. Always rated you, profii.

VOTE: Bobman

(Gamma is still my preferred choice unless he does something)

[Hectic]

What do you think of Dave, everyone who's online?

dave townread=gone
dave currentread=null
dave status=needs_reevaluation

What changed for you?

VOTE: Gamma

Back here for now.

Why?

[Hectic]

You're trying to wagon bob why?

I still don't like his weird push on Dave and end of day defence of Misty yesterday in 696 and posts surrounding it.

[Hectic]

I wanted to get another wagon going to see if anyone would bite, Bobman. Apparently not.

Gamma is still by far my preffered lynch and he hasn't done anything to prove otherwise. It's a little worrying how there's absolutely no counterwagons, but this vote

VOTE: AaronFrost

Yeah I don’t like the way he’s been consistently pushing A-Tom
Feels a bit like he’s got some sunk cost going on there

-does bring AaronFF up to two votes. The other scum probably can't afford to be so vocal and link themselves to Gamma, so if Gamma does flip scum, it's unlikely profii is the other for being the other vote on the AFF wagon.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Game's pretty stalled at the moment. Happy with ending this day.

[Hectic]

Isnt the 1-shot JK essentially a RB though? What leads you to think that mafia would have two rb abilities with the potential to rb twice in one night?

I don't. I'm hypothesising they

may

have like a X-shot roleblocker, or JOAT with a rb ability too.

Wake and Dave should follow their hearts regardless. Nothing should be predetermined here.

[Hectic]

I haven't properly read through the last few pages but wanted to point out:

Dave has a lot more value as potential doc since he has a pool of 2 outed PRs to protect in [Waka and Morning]. I think it's better to leave him around for mech reasons.

[Hectic]

oh god its hectics ISO.

studying for calculus III seems very appealing right now.

How dare you. My ISO is a goldmine and you'd find the gamesolve in there if you looked closely enough.

[Hectic]

You're both town.

[Hectic]

I haven't properly read through the last few pages but wanted to point out:

Dave has a lot more value as potential doc since he has a pool of 2 outed PRs to protect in [Waka and Morning]. I think it's better to leave him around for mech reasons.

again, who says I wanted to lynch him?

That's my current problem. He responds to my read, yet gives me this ultimatum that if dare to keep pushing him i'll get lynched.

Let's work pass that then, why do you think dave's reaction is townie? Or is the town read on something else?

I don't know actually; sometimes I'm a sucker for AtE. I still haven't read the last few pages properly. I'll report back tomorrow.

[Hectic]

oh god its hectics ISO.

studying for calculus III seems very appealing right now.

How dare you. My ISO is a goldmine and you'd find the gamesolve in there if you looked closely enough.

I kid you not I honestly decided I rather calculate the work done in force fields and played sc2.

1v1 me right now. I'm the undisputed king in Sonic Colors 2.

[Hectic]

Can we get some votes for Creature (the Aaron slot)? I feel like Creature’s current approach is a scum one, trying to avoid making waves

I agree with this actually. This has felt like scum!Creature so far since replacing in.

VOTE: Creature

clidd, you have 9 hours to solve this game before you get nightkilled. I really like your new profile picture btw.

[Hectic]

Oh, that's L-1. I don't know why I was thinking we needed like 9 votes for a lynch or something.

Got any lukewarm takes, Creature?

Pedit: oh, I can see you're doing your thing

[Hectic]

What do you think of tictac overall so far, Creature?

[Hectic]

ISO him if possible

[Hectic]

I thought you not knowing tictac was scum could be a townslip, but I think scum could quite easily not know that either. Also, it looks like you did know anyway since you were ISOing him.

I reckon you should claim - we have 9 hours.

[Hectic]

Creature replaced our old friend AaronFF, clidd. Aaron was hard pushing the counterwagon to tictac/Misty (scumflip) yesterday, and was pushing Aloratom today on the basis of the Aloratom and Misty/tictac wagons both being scum.
Creature since replacing in has been more like him scumself, since he's usually a lot more vocal and solvey as town.

Gamma Emrald has just been engaged for most of the game, and his vote on tictac was from RVS, so I wouldn't consider it "bussing". Although, I've liked some more of his recent posts.

[Hectic]

*Gamma Emerald has just been disengaged

I liked him pointing out the post where AFF recommended everyone change their votes from RVS, since Gamma's RVS vote was actually on flipped scum.

[Hectic]

Glad to have you back, clidd.



Creature, let's hear that claim.

[Hectic]

(%_%)

I think this is fine.

[Hectic]

Just checking in to say we should definitely mass claim. I haven't read everything yet.

I propose this order:

Gamma Emerald > Bobman > Profii > Adorable > clidd > Hectic

[Hectic]

You will be avenged, Holden. We had our llama-related differences at times, but at the end of the day, you were still a great donkey.

[Hectic]

Sorry, revise that to:

Davesaz (full claim) > Gamma Emerald > Bobman > Profii > Adorable > clidd > Wake (full claim) > Hectic

I can reposition myself if people suspect me for whatever reason, but I would prefer to go last.

[Hectic]

Davesaz (full claim)

Flat refuse to full claim. Town protective role.

You could've maybe waited after posting this, Dave? This is a game of mafia, and we have good reason to suspect each other. You shouldn't take being suspected so much to heart. I'm sorry if I've caused you distress.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

I didn't find any game of his in which he did that as scum. Positive sign ?

Yeah, I think he's town.

[Hectic]

Gamma, you're up!

[Hectic]

Do you think this is one of those times, clidd?

[Hectic]

Fair assessment. But there were indications he was getting increasingly frustrated from moments from yesterday as well.

Anyway, Gamma disappearing to post elsewhere on-site rather than claim is a hum de dum.

[Hectic]

Davesaz: Babysitter
Gamma Emarald: Ascetic Townie

Your turn, Bobman.

[Hectic]

Oh, nice; you're always 5 steps ahead of me, Bobman.

profii, take the stage.

[Hectic]

Davesaz/Lucky:

Babysitter

Gamma Emerald:

Ascetic Townie

Bobman:

VT

profii:

VT

Adorable, your time to shine. I want to see some amazing

Defence Curls

, and maybe even a

Sing

.

[Hectic]

Davesaz/Lucky:

Babysitter

Gamma Emerald:

Ascetic Townie

Bobman:

VT

profii:

VT

Adorable:

VT

clidd, I know you have something amazing lined up for us.

[Hectic]

It's your turn to claim, my friend.

[Hectic]

I figured you would from your earlier post, clidd, but better to confirm it of course.

Davesaz/Lucky:

Babysitter

Gamma Emerald:

Ascetic Townie

Bobman:

VT

profii:

VT

Adorable:

VT

clidd:

VT

Waka Waka, could you full claim now?

[Hectic]

Somebody explain to me how Gamma is still breathing.

We'll get to this after we finish the massclaim.

[Hectic]

Let's see this trend analysis.

Gamma, how have you played this game differently knowing you were an Ascetic Townie?

[Hectic]

I may as well post my thoughts on this now. There's no way of knowing when Waka Waka will waka up and full claim, and I think he's probably just a normal watcher. My role is ridiculously overpowered, and I wouldn't blame you all if you wanted to policy lynch me for possessing such a role. It's honestly just a spit in the face for scum.

Spoiler:

VT.

[Hectic]

I softed a PR since I didn't want to give scum the opportunity to claim a PR and muddy the waters for which of the PRs is scum. Now that everyone else has claimed VT, I'm very inclined to believe that all of the PRs claimed thus far are town - other than Gamma of course which we'll get to later.

So hopefully, I just discouraged scum from claiming one.

[Hectic]

I think the fact Gamma claimed Ascetic after I softed I was some kind of PR is very telling. I think he couldn't risk claiming regular VT, since if I had targetted and failed last night, that would make him confscum. I was also likely to target him if any kind of investigative since I've suspected him for the entire game.

So, I believe he's some kind of ascetic mafia rolecop/other PR, and he claimed the ascetic part of his role alone. I don't think he could've claimed an ascetic town PR as scum, since once again it doesn't make sense with the power level of the game; especially since I was implying I was

another

PR.

[Hectic]

I think all of [Lucky/Morning/Wake] are town.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald for now