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Honestly, I haven't had much luck in picking up cues. I was thinking maybe Atarashi, but his posts could work both ways.Quantum wrote:gibus is too laidback
As much as I want to consult my magical 8 Ball again, it is best to wait for a lynch, to take a more mathematical route of hunting scum.
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Having written down an aggressive list of suspects, Quasar accused blurry to be slightly aggressive when blurry points out an early aggression from Quasar's part.QuantumQuasar wrote:
that's my read list, all suspects except for dollyIn post 69, votato wrote:
what is this? this isnt a read list is it?In post 68, QuantumQuasar wrote:3 Fwesnid
4 gibus
Blurryface3189
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1 unsubstantial this far but nice vote on drew
fwesnid just threw off a message, gibus is too laidback, blurry is slightly aggressive, red panda is equally too laid back, drews light entry and image post were too suspect to be innocuous and dolly is a pivot, she's possibly town-
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Vaguely serious, but I can't say much without proper reason. But like I said, when I find telltale cues, I will revote.In post 93, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:
We're past RVS. Why keep it here, unless it's serious?In post 90, gibus wrote:My vote remains on Dolly.
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None yet, but it doesn't look like the game is moving forward.Dolly Parton wrote:In post 97, gibus wrote: Vaguely serious, but I can't say much without proper reason. But like I said, when I find telltale cues, I will revote.
What "telltale cues" made you revote?In post 112, gibus wrote:Pickaxe Pete wrote:VOTE: BlurryFace
We need a wagon.
Yeah, that's a start.
VOTE: BlurryFace
Since blurry has already made some mildly scummy posts, why not just join the wagon and see what he has to say about it?Drew-Sta wrote:
I agree with this mostly, but also think town reading tends to make you 'glaze' over things and gives you a soft conf-bias as well.In post 102, Dolly Parton wrote:At this point there is nothing other than gut and other subjective reads. Until we get a flip, slip, claim etc, all cases are wishy-washy. Doesn't mean everyone is wrong though.
I usually also start games trying to town read people. If I latch on too tightly to a scum read in early game, I risk getting all locked up in confbias.
I try to use D1 to see what people have said and work out why they're saying it.
Moreover, I have absolutely no reason to vote for you right now. You seem like an invaluable townie.
It's hard to find telltale cues in D1.
What makes you think I'm scum?Blurryface3189 wrote:I'd propose a counter-wagon.
VOTE: gibus
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votato wrote:has blurry made some mildly scummy posts? what were they?
This thread. It is one public cue that has the potential to move the game.In post 66, Dolly Parton wrote:In post 60, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Elaborate.In post 39, Blurryface3189 wrote:I put my money on QuantumQuasar being scum; my senses are tingling.
VOTE: Blurryface3189In post 64, MisaTange wrote:
I also want Blurry to elaborate.In post 60, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Elaborate.In post 39, Blurryface3189 wrote:I put my money on QuantumQuasar being scum; my senses are tingling.-
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It was RVS. And I understand that your vote was RVS too, but that isn't the point.In post 123, Blurryface3189 wrote:gibus too was randomly taking potshots at Dolly in the beginning.
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How exactly isIn post 127, Blurryface3189 wrote:And now when threatened, he says senseless things like "moving the game", and says nothing of substance.moving the game forwardsenseless? Would you rather sit the entire Day following your gut?
If anything, you feel threatened by more suspicion, and you think picking me (not pete ? ) would remove some weight off of your shoulders.
Based on what reason? Switching from dolly (a random vote)? Your posts look like serious scumtell.Blurryface3189 wrote:It wasn't retaliation for voting on me. I voted on you and not on Pete because I actually believe you are scum.
That is what I believe can bring out some talk. Also, the wagon wasn't started by me.votato wrote:
the scummy post was the lack of an elaboration post? I feel like at least one of you probably isIn post 125, gibus wrote:votato wrote:has blurry made some mildly scummy posts? what were they?
This thread. It is one public cue that has the potential to move the game.In post 66, Dolly Parton wrote:In post 60, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Elaborate.In post 39, Blurryface3189 wrote:I put my money on QuantumQuasar being scum; my senses are tingling.
VOTE: Blurryface3189In post 64, MisaTange wrote:
I also want Blurry to elaborate.In post 60, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Elaborate.In post 39, Blurryface3189 wrote:I put my money on QuantumQuasar being scum; my senses are tingling.
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I re-emphasize. VOTE: Blurryface3189In post 133, Blurryface3189 wrote:I see gibus ignored what I said, and instead reposted something he's already said before.
gibus, it doesn't matter who started the wagon here; I said just now that I voted on you because I actually think you are scum, not because you joined the wagon. You seem to be emphasizing that it was Pete that started the wagon, just to take the discussion away from whether or not you are scum.
The fact that gibus has just done this ^, alongside taking potshots at Dolly, then later me, while only justifying his actions as being required to get the game going seems to me like his idea of getting the game going is to just see blood.-
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In post 139, Blurryface3189 wrote:
To summarize ^.In post 134, gibus wrote:
I re-emphasize. VOTE: Blurryface3189In post 133, Blurryface3189 wrote:I see gibus ignored what I said, and instead reposted something he's already said before.
gibus, it doesn't matter who started the wagon here; I said just now that I voted on you because I actually think you are scum, not because you joined the wagon. You seem to be emphasizing that it was Pete that started the wagon, just to take the discussion away from whether or not you are scum.
The fact that gibus has just done this ^, alongside taking potshots at Dolly, then later me, while only justifying his actions as being required to get the game going seems to me like his idea of getting the game going is to just see blood.
All he does is brush off evidence against him, again and again.
Brush off what evidence? What are you even talking about? Also what question did I brush off?
Your aimless aggression is making me think you're a very nooby townie, and not scum. But you will have my vote.-
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Allow me to recap thisdebaclefrom my perspective.
You should remember that my vote for dolly was a random vote in RVS.In post 123, Blurryface3189 wrote:Don't associate me with him, smh.
I only voted on him because he switched his vote off of Dolly to vote on me.
As for why I initially voted on QuantumQuasar, it was because he accused me first so early in the game at a point where i haven't spoken much; regardless, my vote on him was half-hearted, which was why i only pointed a finger at him in a message and didnt do the vote in a later message until people asked me why I didn't. I do not think he is scum, nor do I want to actually vote on someone who could be innocent.
Moreover, gibus too was randomly taking potshots at Dolly in the beginning. Atleast Quantum had a shred of reasoning for voting on me, while gibus didn't for Dolly. And re-emphasizing my vote, VOTE: gibus.
You claim that you only pointed a finger and didn't vote, but this doesn't look right. You made your vote almost instantaneously.
Quantum had a shred of reasoning for voting on me, while gibus didn't for Dolly.
You seem to be confused with the idea of RVS. And what overwhelming reason did you find to go super aggressive on me?
That, and the fact that your 3rd post in D1 was as all out aggression against me. Why? Because I was takingIn post 126, Blurryface3189 wrote:The only mildly scummy posts that gibus accuses me of making was calling out Quantum without actually highlighting my vote, which I just explained why I did that.potshotsat dolly. Nothing else.
Whatever you did to look scummy, is left to those who voted and cast suspicion on you. There was a small wagon heading towards you and that is why I thought putting you under pressure from my side would bring out something.
Like I said earlier in one of my posts, if you have any other groundbreaking ideas for getting cues from people, you are very much welcome to tell us. But I think I did something which brought out a cue or two.In post 127, Blurryface3189 wrote:And now when threatened, he says senseless things like "moving the game", and says nothing of substance.
Because.... RVS.In post 130, Blurryface3189 wrote:It wasn't retaliation for voting on me. I voted on you and not on Pete because I actually believe you are scum.
I didn't ignore anything, maybe you didn't post something which was on your mind.In post 133, Blurryface3189 wrote:I see gibus ignored what I said, and instead reposted something he's already said before.
gibus, it doesn't matter who started the wagon here; I said just now that I voted on you because I actually think you are scum, not because you joined the wagon. You seem to be emphasizing that it was Pete that started the wagon, just to take the discussion away from whether or not you are scum.
The fact that gibus has just done this ^, alongside taking potshots at Dolly, then later me, while only justifying his actions as being required to get the game going seems to me like his idea of getting the game going is to just see blood.
emphasizing that it was Pete that started the wagon, just to take the discussion away from whether or not you are scum.
You should know that townies have survival instincts as well, so telling people to not lynch you doesn't necessarily make you scum.
In post 135, Blurryface3189 wrote:^ The second message that he's simply brushed off without justifying his actions. Obvious scum.Obvious scum.
As much as I think you're scum for going to such extreme lengths in the early stages of D1, all this would be very unwise if you are scum. I think you are a rather aggressive townie.
I don't understand this post at all, would you care to elaborate on theIn post 139, Blurryface3189 wrote:
To summarize ^.In post 134, gibus wrote:
I re-emphasize. VOTE: Blurryface3189In post 133, Blurryface3189 wrote:I see gibus ignored what I said, and instead reposted something he's already said before.
gibus, it doesn't matter who started the wagon here; I said just now that I voted on you because I actually think you are scum, not because you joined the wagon. You seem to be emphasizing that it was Pete that started the wagon, just to take the discussion away from whether or not you are scum.
The fact that gibus has just done this ^, alongside taking potshots at Dolly, then later me, while only justifying his actions as being required to get the game going seems to me like his idea of getting the game going is to just see blood.
All he does is brush off evidence against him, again and again.evidence?
Anyway, you are either a really bad scum player or a tryhard townie, there is no sense in voting for you ATM.
But I've got my eyes on everyone who didpick sides, since picking sides this early doesn't achieve anything, and there is really no scumtell in the whole thread (read the recap). A scum player would do just that to put the townies on the wrong track.-
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Blurry already had a bunch of eyes on him. A wagon, I thought, would give us information to start with to decide who is scum and who is not, without relying onIn post 156, Fwesnid wrote:Gibus is much worse than blurry.
Especially since I'm not seeing much of a case for blurry beyond "hmm we need a wagon."?
VOTE: gibustingling senses.
Can you tell me why you think I'm "worse" than blurry?
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Blurry only had two other posts and both of them were in RVS. He had a number of votes and a few people watching him, so why not?In post 154, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:I'm also curious why this wagon in particular when you had two potential wagons to pick from in me and votato, but you're probably town so I'm not sure how much I care.
Based on your talk with votato, both of you look like town to me. I thought Pete had the right idea in mind going after Blurry, and hence the wagon.-
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I get that wagoning for the sake of wagoning doesn't put real pressure. But seeing that he only had 2 other posts at that time, I was curious to see how he would respond.In post 160, votato wrote:
but why wagon for the sake of wagoning? what do you learn? If it isn't real pressure then you don't learn how those people respond to pressure.In post 159, gibus wrote:
Blurry only had two other posts and both of them were in RVS. He had a number of votes and a few people watching him, so why not?In post 154, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:I'm also curious why this wagon in particular when you had two potential wagons to pick from in me and votato, but you're probably town so I'm not sure how much I care.
Based on your talk with votato, both of you look like town to me. I thought Pete had the right idea in mind going after Blurry, and hence the wagon.
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Just to clarify, my vote wasn't omgus. I explained why I switched in 157.In post 165, Dolly Parton wrote: What changed? The fact that after we both called gibus/blurry out as possible partners, Gibus switches his vote to the next one voting him?outsmarts bullet-
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It is reasonable to say that more activity reduces suspicion, and is something people would do early on to appear townie.
eyestott died away with RVS.
Were his early posts some kind of an attempt to shield him from a lynch?
If he was part of mafia, it would make sense to build some protection and then become a lurker until someone calls him out.
But if he was a townie, not posting his thoughts on some threads (like Atarashi/Votato or me/Blurry) and sharing his own perspective seems a bit off.
We are early in Day 1 and don't have much information anyway which is why eye may have never felt the need to post even though he was online most of the time, but in my opinion the odds that he is scum are slightly better.outsmarts bullet-
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If you place Quasar on the scum list, it is logical to TR his original list of suspects.In post 191, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:@gibus who do you townread right now?
I also TR Drew and Atarashi in particular for being helpful as a townie.
Dolly is helpful too, but when she posted her 66.6666% accusation, I'm back to thinking she is neutral.
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Assuming quasar is scum, it wouldn't make much sense to call out the other mafia players so early in the game. It isn't a balanced WIFOM, so the suspects get a slight TR.In post 203, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:
Why?In post 201, gibus wrote:logical to TR his original list of suspects.
Hard to say, but he looks slightly scummy. Why make anAtarashi Hajimari wrote:Also
Do you place quasar as scum?In post 201, gibus wrote:If you place Quasar on the scum list,intuitivelist so early and ask to start from there? Or maybe he is town and just wants to help.outsmarts bullet-
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Is my reasoning flawed, or do you townread quasar?
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That looks like strong confirmation bias.Atarashi Hajimari wrote:To be clear gibus, when I ask yoi
And you reply withIn post 205, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:Do you place quasar as scum?
Like, isn't it uncomfortable to sit that dead-center on the fence? That can't be comfortable.gibus wrote: Hard to say, but he looks slightly scummy. Why make anintuitivelist so early and ask to start from there? Or maybe he is town and just wants to help.
You asked me if I SR quasar, and I gave you my answer. I only pointed out his actions (of making a list out of intuition), and that is something a townie wouldn't do?
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I said I found him a bit scummy, implying that the probability that he is scum is greater than the probability that he is a townie.In post 214, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:
Not really. You had the choice between three acceptable answers:In post 213, gibus wrote:That looks like strong confirmation bias.
(1) "Yes I think he's scum."
(2) "No I don't think he's scum."
(3) "Idk I want to see more content before I say."**
Had you given one of these three answers I wouldnt have voted you. But instead you tried to give all three at once. Hence, fencesitting.
**its debatable whether this is good enough to not be fence sitting but for the sake of the argument I'll give it a pass.
Somehow not being confident a hundred percent makes me look like scum?
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Red panda
Pickaxes Pete
Fwesnid
QuantumQuasar
Likely at least one scumboat floating in here. Maybe two, not sure.
If I ask you about each of these people, you can't give me a hundred percent answer and say "yeah he is scum".
You will have to lean on probabilities too, so your answer would have been (1) and (3).outsmarts bullet-
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Hard to say, (I may or may not be correct)In post 207, gibus wrote:Hard to say, but he looks slightly scummy. Why make anintuitivelist so early and ask to start from there? Or maybe he is town and just wants to help.
but he looks slightly scummy. (He is on my scumlist)
Why make an intuitive list so early and ask to start from there? (What puts him on my scumlist)
Or maybe he is town and just wants to help. (Why I may be wrong)
Sorry if my responses are bad, but do point out errors in reasoning.outsmarts bullet-
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Last time I did that, he started a "counter-wagon" and 30% of you voted for me.In post 230, Dolly Parton wrote:
There are other ways to force him into actionIn post 229, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:I agree, hopefully blurry will get active soon.
*cough*vote him*cough*outsmarts bullet-
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That being said, blurry is being evasive after attacking my RVS in his second post so... blurry, you have some explaining to do.In post 234, gibus wrote:
Last time I did that, he started a "counter-wagon" and 30% of you voted for me.In post 230, Dolly Parton wrote:
There are other ways to force him into actionIn post 229, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:I agree, hopefully blurry will get active soon.
*cough*vote him*cough*
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I take this as blackmail, hence 236In post 235, Dolly Parton wrote:
If you think you are the better lynch then let us know and saIve us the trouble.In post 234, gibus wrote:and 30% of you voted for me.outsmarts bullet-
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I don't think quasar was ever actively lurking.In post 239, votato wrote:
This is a pressure vote for him to stop actively lurking. Now mostly just lurking.In post 210, Drew-Sta wrote:
You literally just sheeped someone for a vote without making any argument for them, and it contradicts what you said.In post 199, votato wrote:
i believe wagons are useful for putting pressure on scummy players. I just don't think we should wagon purely for the sake of wagoning. So if someone has a terrible iso we should wagon them. But we shouldn't wagon people just to see what happens.In post 198, Drew-Sta wrote:@votato - so you've now changed your view on wagoning and believe it's useful?
Is anyone else reading this?
What parts of the gibus wagon look good?The gibus wagon is looking really good. I'm fine with that wagon too.outsmarts bullet-
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I'm sorry, but your "counter-wagon" ran on only one reason and that was myIn post 246, Blurryface3189 wrote:Apart from the wagon that was randomly started against me, no one has really provided any explanation as to why I'm scum, rather than that I just dont "look good".
The only thing I can think of is me accusing Quantum in the first RVS on day 1, which votato saw scummy, as I provided no explanation to picking Quantum. However, I explained my vote in 123, and this was all good.. Take a look at post 157.potshot at dolly
Why am I still on your scumlist? That doesn't make sense because after reading it all, you should know they accused both of us for distancing (and me for fence-sitting, but I still don't get why lack of confidence means anything). Now if you aren't scum and know this isn't true, why hop on the wagon?Blurryface3189 wrote:Its been a very busy week, sorry y'all.
And after reading it all, I'd say gibus is still on my scumlist, but for some reason a good number of you think I'm a good lynch choice to get the game going. Pete started a wagon on me, which gibus joined. And I started a feud with gibus and I've shown my line of reasoning as to why I think he is scum, but how exactly does this paint me as scum?
I'm not trying to ask if he isn't scum here ^, I'm simply trying to understand in what way I made people want to lynch me.outsmarts bullet-
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I agree, that line has no value right now. But I think it could be useful after D1.In post 248, Fwesnid wrote: That first line makes no sense since that was like 5-6 people and distancing is a thing.
I was talking about post 120. It doesn't say anything, but it is possible that she is scum and wanted to shift the game towards a townie (from my perspective). Hence I'm neutral.Can you expand on what pinged about the 66.6% or is that all there is to say about it?outsmarts bullet-
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I can't give you quasar's level of reassurance, but here is an updated list fmpov(you may not agree on blurry/me for possible distancing, but I know for a fact that it isn't distancing):
Town: Atarashi, Blurry, Dolly, Drew, gibus, and quasar.
Can't say because of lack of information(loi): Goofball, eyestott, Misa, Pete, Red Panda, fwesnid (I know I've voted for fwesnid in the past, but that was just bad reading from my part)
That only leaves votato, who has had a weird set of posts recently.
I agree with Drew (167 & 210) and since lynching the loi part in D1 makes no sense, I heavily lean towards votato being scum for D1.
Good job jumping on another "wagon". Because of bad reads?In post 265, votato wrote:...
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... what? Yeah I'm definitely down for a quasar wagon here. His reads still make no sense, and it feels like he's trying to confuse us maybe.
for me the current scumpool is {quasar, gibus, blurry, fwesnid}.
Really not sure what to make of fwesnid's posts. Maybe I'm low hanging fruit but the questions asked of me were fair. I feel like I clarified that though? Really strange logic, so a weak scumlean.
Your scumpool is bad fmpov, and that is all the more reason I think you're scum.
I've made it clear that the reasoning is fmpov, so this is only MY vote. I don't expect any of you to buy it since I've put myself in the town list.
@Dolly I don't want to hurt town chances by voting for someone I think could be town.
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I didn't eliminate the half, I'm just ignoring it. There maybe a couple of scum in it, but I'm just saving it for D2.In post 268, Dolly Parton wrote:
I don't know what to say? You eliminated almost half of the entire player list due to "lack of information"In post 266, gibus wrote:I can't give you quasar's level of reassurance, but here is an updated list fmpov(you may not agree on blurry/me for possible distancing, but I know for a fact that it isn't distancing):
Town: Atarashi, Blurry, Dolly, Drew, gibus, and quasar.
Can't say because of lack of information(loi): Goofball, eyestott, Misa, Pete, Red Panda, fwesnid (I know I've voted for fwesnid in the past, but that was just bad reading from my part)
That only leaves votato, who has had a weird set of posts recently.
I agree with Drew (167 & 210) and since lynching the loi part in D1 makes no sense, I heavily lean towards votato being scum for D1.
Good job jumping on another "wagon". Because of bad reads?In post 265, votato wrote:...
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... what? Yeah I'm definitely down for a quasar wagon here. His reads still make no sense, and it feels like he's trying to confuse us maybe.
for me the current scumpool is {quasar, gibus, blurry, fwesnid}.
Really not sure what to make of fwesnid's posts. Maybe I'm low hanging fruit but the questions asked of me were fair. I feel like I clarified that though? Really strange logic, so a weak scumlean.
Your scumpool is bad fmpov, and that is all the more reason I think you're scum.
I've made it clear that the reasoning is fmpov, so this is only MY vote. I don't expect any of you to buy it since I've put myself in the town list.
@Dolly I don't want to hurt town chances by voting for someone I think could be town.
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Wow, it was a joke
But on a serious note, I don't feel like QQ is scum, if that's what you're asking.
He wants to vote off Blurry for nothing. That could be an extremely unwise attempt at distancing (there are much better posts to choose from, if he was scum, going through our discussions is the least he could do to survive).QuantumQuasar wrote:
Not at all, am focused.In post 143, DrippingGoofball wrote:
This sounds like scum keeping his options open.In post 70, QuantumQuasar wrote:
that's my read list, all suspects except for dollyIn post 69, votato wrote:
what is this? this isnt a read list is it?In post 68, QuantumQuasar wrote:3 Fwesnid
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Blurryface3189
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1 unsubstantial this far but nice vote on drew
fwesnid just threw off a message, gibus is too laidback, blurry is slightly aggressive, red panda is equally too laid back, drews light entry and image post were too suspect to be innocuous and dolly is a pivot, she's possibly town
Blurry is suspicious just vote him off.In post 64, MisaTange wrote:
I also want Blurry to elaborate.In post 60, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Elaborate.In post 39, Blurryface3189 wrote:I put my money on QuantumQuasar being scum; my senses are tingling.
But I think it is more probable that he was prodded by the mod for inactivity, and he wanted to give a FAST ISO.outsmarts bullet-
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I didn't say I would follow you lolIn post 287, gibus wrote:I've always wanted to watch that movie, Matt Damon ftwoutsmarts bullet-
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That is what she suggested lol, she wants to hammer fastIn post 291, Blurryface3189 wrote:Seems like no one's answered my question. What justification does anyone have to offer for me being scum apart from "looks suspicious"?
And Dolly, "follow me blindly" sounds ever so slightly like you also want to do a wagon. Hmmm.outsmarts bullet-
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You could say that to anybody in day one right?In post 317, votato wrote:Wait what? You aren't gonna let him claim it defend himself? Wtf
I don't think that will change anybody's mind.outsmarts bullet-
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I never said hammering fast was a bad idea, are you talking about Blurry's post?In post 319, votato wrote:
ironicIn post 292, gibus wrote:
That is what she suggested lol, she wants to hammer fastIn post 291, Blurryface3189 wrote:Seems like no one's answered my question. What justification does anyone have to offer for me being scum apart from "looks suspicious"?
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