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That’s an interesting kill.

I’ve read day one and all I saw was this town has a ton of weak followers and no strong central leader. I’m normally better at being the first but duck it let’s give leading a shot.

Have some questions for most of you!

Gib- Why did you hammer someone you townread as of your latest post reading them? And in the same post, why was your name towards the end of the list of people you think are town, almost like an afterthought?

Gib- This part isn’t a question but I’m making something incredibly clear to you- We do not hammer people without intent and claims for this very reason. The only reason I’m not wagoning you right now is I don’t think scum would do something to draw that much attention to themselves in a lurkfest game. It’s still incredibly anti town.

Dolly- Why were you championing a counterwagon that you joined as a sheep vote? You could have tried to get people on to your wagon instead given that the main reason people voted QQ from my understanding was preflip associatives and lurking?

Haruhi- this isn’t a question but you were good posting and I see you’re demotivated so come talk with me!

Peanut gallery Pete- do you have anything original to add to this game or are you just the color commentator? If you’re town you should be trying to find value added to the game not sit back and do nothing tia

DGB- what are your thoughts on how the wagon played out given you were the main proponent of it?

Blurry- why did you feel comfortable bringing the wagon to l-1?

I’m going to take a look at votato again given the drew kill because it’s such a weird death. He wasn’t really a town read by a lot it seemed, wasn’t really convincing anyone to follow him, literally the only person here who had anything to gain from it is votato, so I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of me!

Fwesnid now that drew flipped town what are your thoughts? Who should we be pursuing now?

I’m not gonna post a ton of walls normally I just wanted to thought dump

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Gibus, still stand behind that hammer without stating intent and giving the JK a chance to claim?

Im pretty sure he already said he was being a good little soldier for you lol

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Paragoooon! Let’s be friends?

Hey you have we played together before I think we have but I don’t remember it’s been so long

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We could PL it if we’re really that worried tbh

But I want more time to get my feet wet first.

Now that you have some flips and more information on QQ (and drew) what if anything does it tell you about blurry?

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“Hey you”

Lmao

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I’m not seeing anything

Guess we’re both just crazy lol.

What are your thoughts on how day one wrapped? If there’s scum on the wagon who is it and why?

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I agree with that final sentiment!

I could see him as scum yes but in a game with daytalk I don’t see newbscum doing crazy shit like that idk

Especially bc it looks premeditated if you’re new scum that’s the kinda thing you’d ask your scum buds about

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The sentiment I agreed with is him being too dangerous to let near lylo

So the best way to beat that is win it before then

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I think his/dollys interactions d1 were weird what do you think?

Like I feel like one is scum one is town

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I don’t see a lot of experienced player vernacular in his iso- what in particular are you referring to

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Plus other people were using RVS.

I’m trying to remember who was calling people townie for being helpful because that was sketchy

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Prefer as in?

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why? I had the opposite takeaway

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Scum/scum isn’t likely with dolly being the blame for his hammer vote she wouldn’t let him drag her down with him

I just know I’ve done the exact same thing as scum where I white knight the fuck out of some lynchbait all game and drag them to lylo

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I’m pretty sure he did more things after you called him town but it still wasn’t enough? He had a bad iso before you called him town too lol

For future reference if you claimed intent and he was given the chance to claim that would have brought the game forward a lot

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Also you didn’t answer my part about why you put yourself on the end of your tow list like an afterthought

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See I got awkward town from blurry. Sell me on him?

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I still think he’s playing too fast and loose to be scum in a daytalk game his team would be coaching him

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What exactly was the case on blurry because I agreed with his analysis of it?

And I’m a big proponent of tow hunting if you can’t scumhunt. Find a good tow block and lynch out of it.

Gib your hammer, for one. Just kinda the way you were playing day one read more as excited newbtown to me. Poaching page tops and even what you said after lynch even though it was sketchy Made me think that way

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Like I said before I still expect scum in one of you and dolly

I just think she’s a tad more likely

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Hey peanut gallery you know I can take anything out of context to mean anything right

Like taking someone’s reply to another persons reads based off of posts 16 and 66 and saying that knowing post numbers after someone already referred to them means they are lying about only playing one game and rvsing after everyone else has already done it for two pages means scum

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In case my sarcasm wasn’t clear you guys need to read these posts out of isolation and ask yourselves why this is the case we’re pushing right now tia

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Can y’all chill for five seconds Jesus

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Wow, lol

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No one better hammer before I get off work and everyone’s posted

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If he flips town I want to look at dolly

If he flips scum I want to look at dgb

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And this is bloody awful play across the board. Likely a scum win at this rate

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I don’t have time to type it all out now bc I’m working which is why I said to fucking wait votato

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You asked me why and I’m explaining why I can’t

Anyone who didn’t unvote when someone asks for more time is part of the problem.

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You don’t know how to be useful do you

I lied I wanna look at votato if he flips town

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Err scum

Dolly is sketchy if town

Votato if scum

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Keep Pete out of Lylo thanks

You aren’t the useless one peanut gallery is

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Alright I’m on my fifteen so I can kinda elaborate

I think we take a look at dolly bc she’s been kinda immune to pressure thus far, I think one of her and gib is town (that she could be whiteknighting if he flips town). Her jump on the wagon was for super flawed reasoning which I pointed out and went ignored

Votato was drews one big push. The only other reason I could see drew dying is to keep the status quo of the game the same. He also called blurrys hammer a lolhammer which is a term I don’t expect new people to know and I don’t think I saw anyone in the thread say it so he might have picked it up from the scum pt

DGB has done nothing memorable apart from being an early vote on both wagons with little reasoning behind it

Pete I could see flip either way and not be surprised

Blurry I think is dumb town I don’t think scum blurry lolhammers when he sees what’s happening to gib bc of it

Paragons vote was shit but I didn’t see enough from the slot to garner a read

I think haruhi is demotivated town and I’m mad I didn’t get to talk to her today

I honestly can’t remember anything fwesnid did other than argue with drew but I have too many scum reads as is so let me go skim his iso

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I can see fwes town

I also forgot eyestott in my last post but I’m leaning town there too

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Obvtown
Me

Town
Blurry
Eyestott
Haruhi
Fwesnid

Null
Pete
Paragon

Scum
Dolly (based on flip)
Votato
DGB

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I will admit I think one of the scum is wrong because I doubt they’re all on both wagons but idk which

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What are your thoughts on it

Who looks good or bad

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I’m saying that if we can string someone up for it and someone else is doing the same thing it needs to be considered.

Nka isn’t bad it’s typically applied wrong and used as the sole reason for a case (which I didn’t do!) and I even said two different ways it can be taken

And you can withhold judgment on me all you like but I know damn well I’m to whiter than ost o the playlist and it took me all of a day. Toy know what helps someone provide more things? Time to push their thoughts and develop in interactions with people. Which I asked for and was not given. And still, I’m trying to steer this train wreck back on the tracks so town might actually have a shot at this.

I’d you read my iso I called out most of the votes on the wagon! Dollys for being based off an incorrect context quote, dgb for doing nothing other than being the first votes on the wagon, Pete for being useless and all he’s doing is sleeping. Yours I didn’t mind so much. I was going down the list of players and the only thing paragon has done since replacing in. So it’s why I “target” him- because that’s the only memorable thing his slot has done. And I talked about Blurrys vote too, so take the OMGUS away and actually read my posts before asserting I’m not doing something.

I normally toe hunt so trust me I don’t like having as many scumreads as I do! But beggars and choosers, I didn’t have time to develop a town block so I did what I could on the fly just in case I die tonight.

And if you agree blurry is town why would you need to pressure him? What makes you think pressuring him tomorrow won’t end in the same result as today?

Eye story why do they all look bad?

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Please excuse my autocorrect I’m mostly phone based if you need clarification on something please ask

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To whiter- townier

Toy- you

I’d- if

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Toe hunt is town hunt

Goddamn autocorrect

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Typically my style is to town it the fuck up and find people I’m used to playing with that are town and vote block with them but I can’t with this list so I had to adapt!

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And for the record votato I haven’t even brought up that you are shadowing everything dgb does which is sketchy too! I’m almost leaning t/s between the two of you but not sure which like dolly and gib!

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Your votes have shadowed dgbs

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Literally everyone did and then tunneled on it today

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What originally got me thinking was DGBs 149 and then you following her votes after was ringing a bell or two in my head

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Interesting

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What are your thoughts on the wagon dgb

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What are your thoughts on the wagon dgb

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You think scum b lol hammered scum a after scum a lolgammered yesterday?

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With regards to the wagon analysis please consider this is a lurkfest game and there best way for scum to win is to drive apathy wagons with little to no reason on lynchbait

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No dolly too

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Dgbs claim kinda just makes me want to look at her. I think that’s my final answer bc I’m wondering if the setup is hella voyeurs and that likely means one is scum.

Dgb is my final answer

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You think scum b lol hammered scum a after scum a lolgammered yesterday?

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Of course gib could flip scum and I could be off a cliff but I felt this game needed a shakeup so meh

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Oh and regards to my convo with eyestott- I’m not sure if I’m right or not bc it’s mafia and you never will be until you see a flip. He’s not slowing me down but he said he struggles with reading people so I’m trying to help some. He doesn’t have a ton of content thus far so I’m cool with talking stuff out a bit slower if it lets me get a read on someone

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You keep saying certain paths of analysis aren’t good- why?

lol hammers don’t change how the wagon forms for the record. It prevents counter wagons for analysis, yes. And it’s interesting how similar day 1 and 2s wagons are, which you can’t deny. Same group sans one person? That’s weird.

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this Is a game of getting as much information to make an informed decision as possible

Yes, I see what you’re saying. But nonetheless, we saw how the same groups wagon ended up yesterday. Assuming today’s ends the same don’t you think there’s a good chance scum are pushing apathy wagons on lynchbait?

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Who did gin say he hammered for yesterday? Because they wanted to speed up the game?

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I’ve been thinking overnight and I don’t see a way dgbs claim comes from scum. She wasn’t under pressure or anything. So I’m pretty confident that she’s both town and that scum has a watcher as well.

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Also kill makes sense with my “keep status quo the same” and “keep all lynchbait alive” theories.

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vote dolly

If you are town you better not lolhammer. I’m looking at you blurry. I want a day to discuss things.

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It’s something I typically see with neighbors where one is scum amidst a bunch of town with the same role.

Assuming what dgb said is also true they likely look like goon rb 1 shot watcher/voyeur whatever the fuck you call if

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Oh, honey. I’m not some lynchbait who’s gonna roll over and let you mislynch me.

But cute!

Pedit-

Putting words in my mouth.

I wanted to vote you yesterday but it ended too fast.

The status quo of the game is good for scum as you agreed with yesterday.

And shall I bring up your main reason for voting Gibus was saying he was lying about being new and your proof was out of context quotes which I then pointed out and was ignored.

Pedit- as I said there I’m comparing old things mods used to do with the knowledge I currently have and making my own educated guesses (as you’re supposed to do in a game like this)

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How does 16 and 66 suggest that Dolly is town?

Also using post numbers, when its clear you know about quoting and referencing. Nope, I'm not buying this is your 1st ever game.

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Just so everyone’s clear if you hit the post 97 you can read the conversation leading up to it.

Or I can just tell you that it was discussing Haruhis townread on Dolly because of posts 16 and 66.

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Hm maybe your day one vote is better and has some decent thought and reasoning in it?

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QQ vs Blurry =

scum vs scum

I can see this. With gibus leaving me hanging on Blurry I'll help out here.

VOTE: QuantumQuasar

Oh, right. Sheeping dgb

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I’m taking control of the game back from scum, yes! I made it very clear when I replaced in that was my intention. It’s also the opposite of how I traditionally play scum if you want to peruse why of my history.

You saying I want to quicklynch was putting words in my mouth I’m very adamantly for using the whole day and have been since I started playing

I came off firing on the correct ideas before anything happened because I’m making informed guesses like someone who’s town should be. And I’ve seen this type of game tons of time (typically as scum! Because My meta is lurker scum so I know how scum normally wins those!)

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If I was here day 1 I would have done the same thing I did day 2 just less aggressively. Game still needed a mixup to get back on track and needed a central voice.

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Have been for using the whole day of mafia since I started playing back in 2013

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Who do you think on the d1 wagon is scum dolly

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I directed it at the person who lolhammered.

And your order is pretty opposite mine.

If blurry as scum does it make sense to lolhammer after seeing what happened to the guy who lolhammered day 1?

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That’s the issue with quick wagons like that is we have little to go off of!

But anyways, I wouldn’t be too upset if today ends in peanut gallery hanging.

I want to see paragon do some things today because that slot is a steaming pile of null

Petit
Mhm

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My questions open to everyone actually.

whos scum on the QQ wagon?

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That argument was that she was not adding anything to the wagon other than a vote which is a thread that continued into the next day. Scum wouldn’t sheep scum like that (which is part of why I felt like some of my end of the day pool was wrong)

If you looked when I did my nka I mentioned that it could be trying to keep the status quo as well. Drew wasn’t in the midst of a lot of things nor was haruhi but both seemed fairly town

You know I see a decent amount of people townreading dolly and I don’t really understand it but if it’s that obvious can you help me see the light?

And my question about why scum would lolhanmer after seeing what happened to the last person who did is still up.

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I prefer to think of it as “scum with daytalk wouldn’t be so dumb” points

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That’s a decent point. Not sure I agree but I can respect the sentiment.

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I just have foundmore often than not blatantly anti town antics are done by town which is a little sad to be honest but doesn’t change it

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@dgb

Re haruhi I came to the same conclusion about her and drew (who had no reads on anyone not named votato) which is why I said my status quo thing- basically a shorthand for what you spelled out. Reads universally suck so no need to target anyone in particular.

Let me know when you catch up bc id like to touch base with you tia

Waiting on Pete too, a bit nervous about of the amount of town power at this point however.

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Also I’m around for the next 20 if anyone wants to chat

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Weren’t you going to help me see the light on dolly?

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That’s the point I was making dude.

It’s not a matter of “threatening” it’s a matter of “this train wreck is going to crash better keep taking out supports so it can’t right itself”

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I agree with the logic, not the conclusion.

Let’s say we have four groups, A B C and scum is D. You are in the scum votato (hypothetically)

Group a suspects b

Group b suspects a

Group c isn’t sure and is going to review and come back after night phase

Who do you kill?

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You are viewing it simply as “only kill people that explicitly suspect you” and in reality it’s not that simple

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Because it’s not the main reason I’m voting dolly? If you peruse my iso I’ve been saying that I thought one of folly/gib was scum based off their interactions, plus dollys weak votes on the core wagons of both days. Dolly works in this instance as A, b, or d. I’m pairing this with the things I’ve already stated multiple times I didn’t like to come up with a conclusion.

Also no ones given a read on me sans dollys vote and unvote based off a misunderstanding. No ones given a read on paragon either because he’s done literally nothing lol

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Hey paragon Pete had a question for you

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Oh and dolly isn’t confirmed town so weigh in pls and thanks

Mhm I’m just really bored

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The people who flipped already

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Well you can but as I said already antitown antics are more typically town than not lol

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Don’t be so hard on him, it was his first game. We all do dumb stuff when we’re new. And get scum read for it and it feels daunting bc there’s a lot of people looking at you like you should know exactly what to do.

Yeah he fucked up but making mistakes is how we get better.

(I hope he’s still reading from the dead pt)

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English motherfucker, do you speak it

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yeah i agree. I've seen way worse from far more experienced players. Its just a bit unfortunate.

One of my favorite people to play with on this site used to habitually replace out or self hammer under pressure as town and she worked on it and really improved

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Just paraphrasing for myself and others (please correct if wrong)

Pete is calling out a soft claim from paragon referencing another game that ended with eyeatott

Paragon is saying it was a bait

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Talk to me about your reads paragon. I’ll talk about pretty much anyone

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What do you like about dolly?

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Ah yes there’s our tree stump

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A tree stump is a role that can post without being alive, I was making a joke bc given context it’s clearly an alt of pete

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Hey Pete why’d it take you so long to play ball

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Anyone played with both scum and town aloratn or however it’s fucking spelled?

Bc at first skim glance at a few games the low effort looked more like scum but I’m not super sure either way

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But on the same note I kinda see town for the reasons paragon was saying.

Hm.

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Someone not involved with this immediate situation talk to me about this? Maybe tomorrow when I get up

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I wasn’t aware my push had you that stressed with one vote?

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What does everyone think of fwesnid

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Like I said before I doubt scum-dgb claims like that. ESP given how little presence she’s had it doesn’t make sense to until she’s been pressured

And although blurry being mia is sketchy I still think too dumb to be scum

Idk how to feel re paragon tho

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I’m okay right now with how this game has gone he’ll be l-1 by the time I get off work

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Do you normally get this fatalistic with two votes

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Pro tip don’t even think of ever mentioning ongoings it can go very poorly for you tia

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That aside I don’t like the fear mongering

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Eyestott talk to me what’s your view of the game state so far

Also blurry hasn’t shown up at all today

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You don’t have to apologize for not having super strong reads with the cluster this game has been I just need substance lol

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I’m not sure I remember you being this apologetic and tiptoey though

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I honestly got the vibe yesterday in our interaction prior to these flips but wrote it off as genuine concern over poor reads and wanting to improve I just think it’s playing your cards super close to the chest for no reason it’s not like you can lynch someone by saying “oh that’s kinda scummy”

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I’ve asked multiple times for people to explain and the only person who’s answered is paragon with saying it was a shallow read on tone.

Blurry disappearing is a bad look though

Not super sure how it’s mind boggling I made it pretty clear d2 what my stance was, but whatever.

My main issue with fwes is he isn’t lurking like the other lurkers like his posts actually have content and stuff but they just kinda feel off? But I was seeing if anyone else got bad vibes

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You realize the entire point of my case is that is how scum wins the game by pulling town together to mislynch right.

I’m not even pushing you super hard atm I’m literally waiting for someone (who isn’t the person I’m voting) to work with me to help me see it. I’m willing to admit I’m not always right but if I’m going to see you as town I need someone to help point out where I’m going wrong and as is no ones done that even though I’ve asked multiple times lol

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You understand this is a game about deception so telling someone to just believe you does literally nothing

And I’m not denying that we could if were both town! It’s why I’m even giving you a touch of latitude. Why I’m not just demanding blood for the blood gods.

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I’m willing to play nice in the interim but I still want someone to walk me through it. I’m gonna pull up some stuff about blurry I liked hold on

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I honestly didn’t hate his day one when it was him/gib as the wagons. The OMGus read town to me and he just overall sounded like awkward town. He was also the first person to try to push out of a seemingly endless RVS.

His 246 is exactly how I felt about his wagon thus far it was literally all preflip associatives calling him scum with other people (who both flipped town, btw). The only thing he’s done I raise an eyebrow at is his jump to QQ, because as I’ve said repeatedly town is typically more anti town than scum. Plus, he spent most of day one on that gig push so seeing him hammer isn’t a super huge surprise given his trajectory even if it was bad play

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I’m not going to lie I’m a little curious why fwes thinks we can’t both be town because that comment just felt so weird

Most of his iso really isn’t all that bad though, I forgot he pointed out the same thing regarding blurry.

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I do foresee myself voting paragon at some point today I’m getting a lot of townfeels from other slots.

I’m not getting them from paragon eyestott votato atm

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Anything in particular about dolly?

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Which questions in particular

Or even a general topic of them?

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If there was more tangibility I wouldn’t be asking for other thoughts lol

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What a breath of fresh air

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Although I still maintain dgb is town

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Wait a minute

Eyestott and paragon had good d2s? Where? Did I miss it?

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Why does scum even need to out it Is my thing- given how much of a Shit show this game has been and dgb hasn’t even really been under the microscope all game all it serves to do is bring attention to her. Why would you do that when hiding can easily just lead to other lynches.

I noticed you haven’t commented on Dolly. Thoughts?

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I’m not sure scum-klick replaces in and asks for a mass claim so on top of how I already felt about blurry I’m leaning town there

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But we’re on opposite spectrums wrt scum I feel like

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Uhhhh no

You always massclaim on Lylo and given the flips we’ve had already hit wouldn’t be awful it’s not likely we have much left

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Too many. I get why, but I’m not happy about it. Especially given this is my first game back it kinda sucks for it to be me trying to drag a lifeless town to a win.

There’s been too many mistakes this game. Until I got here there really wasn’t a central voice to propel things. Day one was kinda a shit show, too many newbie jitters and no one trying to channel them for good. Too many experienced people taking the backseat.

Day two was just over so quick with all the dumb shit thy at if it didn’t end so fast I truly think we would have more to go on and less apathy.

But enough wallowing. The apathy needs to subside, people. If you’re town then you need to step it up. The dumb start to this game doesn’t mean it has to be a scum win but we only win if we all come together.

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It stinks of omgus, frankly.

Yes he’s being hypocritical. Yes he’d been a nonentity (I literally called him peanut gallery until he did stuff). Fluff in and of itself isn’t sucky though it’s nai. I have played with multiple people who spam fluff as town.

I like his push on paragon. It’s not making him a super lock town read but I don’t want to lynch him yet either. It almost feels like he’s an anime character and stuff just got serious.

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Although I will say I am curious why he joined a game for it to be low effort but I’m not sure it’s alignment indicative

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Isn’t scummy not sucky

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Massclaim order should be

Klick
DGB
Paragon
Eyestott
Votato
Dolly
Pete
Fwes
Me

Please weigh in on if you would like to massclaim or not or change the order.

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@dgb my first non newbie game I scumread my predecessor when I was rereading lol

Put it in my first set of reads and then someone pointed it out and I was town

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Oh and that list is ordered by how it feels the slot is suspected based off my best estimate

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Still waiting for people to weigh in on the massclaim. This isn’t that hard guys...

I agree with Pete re klick

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Dgb are you still around

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Like I said I’m not heartbroken to lynch para

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I mean it’s kinda obv you/klick/someone were just missing one

Dgb who’s the last scumfuck

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Your question to dgb was her top 3 scum and she literally said you and klick last page?

And stop being a drama queen Jesus

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Klick is scum with Dolly.

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It can be discussed after mass claim. Stuff like that is supposed to wait for it anyways.

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Do you have any other comments or thoughts?

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Massclaim order should be

Klick
DGB
Paragon
Eyestott
Votato
Dolly
Pete
Fwes
Me

Please weigh in on if you would like to massclaim or not or change the order.

Klick
Eyestott
Votato
Dolly
Pete
Fwes
Me

Let’s just get it started everyone’s weighed in or dumb some stupid soft claim shit by now anyways

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You remember when I asked for input on the order? That is the type of input I’m talking about. I’m fine with Pete claiming sooner but you guys should have said something earlier

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This isn’t the time for obscurities.

And why not

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In case it wasn’t obvious I want you full claim and any crumbs

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Why is fucking everyone being vague this is massclaun we need to know it all

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Okay.

Eyestott I need to know what you are. I need to know if you crumbed it anywhere and I need to know why, exactly, you wouldn’t use an investigative shot in a cluster like this to help sort it out.

Votato I need your target and rationale

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Target rationale and when you used it

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Do you have any crumbs prior to you crumbing after mass lain was talked about

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Waiting on fwes and eyestott

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Dgbs claim kinda just makes me want to look at her. I think that’s my final answer bc I’m wondering if the setup is hella voyeurs and that likely means one is scum.

Dgb is my final answer

I’ve been thinking overnight and I don’t see a way dgbs claim comes from scum. She wasn’t under pressure or anything. So I’m pretty confident that she’s both town and that scum has a watcher as well.

I’m not going to elaborate further until eyestott fullclaims.

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I will say of all of the claims I don’t like dollys (this is the part where she acts like a diva again) and eyestotts for separate reasons.

One, dollys crumb. The idea behind a breadcrumb is you hide it in your iso to refer to later. It’s not supposed to be super overt. So her excuse of trying to draw a night kill, while understandable, should have literally nothing to do with the crumb. If she’s hiding it in a way that scum can pick up on it she’s crumbing wrong. Then comes her actual crumb- her blatantly bolding bp in a post. Such an over the top way to do it. Now, if I’m remembering correctly she was saying she’s been here (on ms) longer than I have. Clearly not on this account. Do you really think someone who’s been here that long wouldn’t be able to hide a crumb early? Or is it more likely she’s scum and chose that as a solid fake claim.

Eyestott is fairly obvious as he’s been trickle truthing when he hasn’t done anything all game. First off says there’s a ninja of some kind. Then he doesn’t claim correctly and he too is someone who should know better. And not using his shot earlier unless he has damn good justification is sketchy because of how this game has gone.

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There’s likely at least one scum in the VTs. Most likely paragon, outside chance of klick.

Eyestotts post could also be stalling for time to come up with a good fakeclaim

I don’t think if votato were scum he would claim roleblocker given how this game has gone and the flips we’ve had. So I’m believing his.

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Fine by me I just wanted to articulate what I was thinking before it got too cyclical and echo chambery

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That’s an interesting kill.

I’ve read day one and all I saw was this town has a ton of

weak followers

and no strong central leader. I’m normally better at being the first but duck it let’s give leading a shot.

Have some questions for most of you!

Gib- Why did you hammer someone you townread as of your latest post reading them? And in the same post, why was your name towards the end of the list of people you think are town, almost like an afterthought?

Gib- This part isn’t a question but I’m making something incredibly clear to you- We do not hammer people without intent and claims for this very reason. The only reason I’m not wagoning you right now is I don’t think scum would do something to draw that much attention to themselves in a lurkfest game. It’s still incredibly anti town.

Dolly- Why were you championing a counterwagon that you joined as a sheep vote? You could have tried to get people on to your wagon instead given that the main reason people voted QQ from my understanding was preflip associatives and lurking?

Haruhi- this isn’t a question but you were good posting and I see you’re demotivated so come talk with me!

Peanut gallery Pete- do you have anything original to add to this game or are you just the color commentator? If you’re town you should be trying to find value added to the game not sit back and do nothing tia

DGB- what are your thoughts on how the wagon played out given you were the main proponent of it?

Blurry- why did you feel comfortable bringing the wagon to l-1?

I’m going to take a look at votato again given the drew kill because it’s such a weird death. He wasn’t really a town read by a lot it seemed, wasn’t really convincing anyone to follow him, literally the only person here who had anything to gain from it is votato, so I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of me!

Fwesnid now that drew flipped town what are your thoughts? Who should we be pursuing now?

I’m not gonna post a ton of walls normally I just wanted to thought dump

Emphasis my own.

I am a 1-shot weak follower. Basically I die if I target scum, so I didn’t target n1 to risk dying and leaving you guys nothing.

The reason I wanted d2 extended was to more adequately prepare crumb posts for my target.

I chose dolly/dgb/votato at that point because they seemed most likely to be scum and I believed after yesterday the only way to get scum dead was sacrificing myself. My end target as shared before was dgb, and I got a result saying I saw her go nowhere. Which means I wasn’t blocked, and given the nature of my role means dgb has to be town which is why I spent the entire fucking day trying to get more out of the one person I know for a fact is town.

So here we are.

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The one I feel safest lynching atm is paragon of that group.

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Bc frankly I’m not getting enough traction re dolly that I keep worrying I’m off a cliff

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We know because of dgb that scum have a roleblocker.

I would wager scum has a strongman and I don’t think that eyestott and dolly are scum together. Scums fakeclaims are probably spread out amongst them all. So two didn’t claim the same thing unless it was VT.

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Strongman
Roleblocker
???

Work as a scum team?

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You didn’t include me in the list of town roles

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It’s day talk klick I’m sure scum talked about their fake claims and it doesn’t make sense for votaro to claim roleblocker with a flipped jk

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He’s the only claim other than myself that was kinda complex which I found interesting

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Waiting on Pete too, a bit nervous about of the amount of town power at this point however.

Why were you worried at this point? Lots of 1-shot roles, including yours, didn't seem particularly unbalanced when it was just the JK, the two 1-shot Voyeurs, Peter's soft and your role.

Most games that I remember had like 3/4 town prs

Yes there were watered down roles but

Flipped jk
I can confirm someone
Two watcher type roles
What I thought was a tracker guilty

Just seemed too heavy for what I remembered

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They’re saying you’re the scum roleblocker

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Dgb got blocked n1

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Oh I misunderstood dgbs post my b

She’s still town

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countervailing

What is this word supposed to be or mean

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I don’t think it’s likely scum have both a strongman and a ninja though. I think it’s much more likely scum have a role locker than one of each

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She’s clarifying for sake of the role blocker discussion

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dgb

do you have thoughts on all of this

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Klick

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I can’t read we covered that later

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Dgb so far eyestott is the only claim with two parts like mine which I think is interesting

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See that crossed my mind too.

I was wondering if he was like a scum who can choose ninja or strong man bc that would be cool but I’m kinda curious if the mod provided fake claims or not.

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What do you think of votatos claim

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Do you think dollys play makes sense for her to be bp? Or what about the really obvious crumb after we talked massclaum

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Your question to dgb was her top 3 scum and she literally said you and klick last page?

And stop being a drama queen Jesus

Where is the 3rd pick then?

That's a lazy answer anyways. I just DON'T get why people are pushing me anyways.

is it

B

ecause I'm

P

retty?

This game is like walking with wet shoes and pants through a dry dry dry desert.

Dgb this is the post in question and like I said it was after we discussed massclaiming

@dolly everyone has claimed everything so who’s claims are fake? Why?

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Dgb 1 voyeur target blurry n1
Fwesnid watcher
votato 1 roleblocker
Me 1 weak follower target dgb n2
Eyestott 1 bp 1 watcher
Paragon vt
Pete vt
Klick vt

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Votato can you explain in detail what you don’t like about each of those claims tia

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Also I’m obvtown not conftown

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Can someone explain the paragon town reads

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It’s in my iso

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I don’t know if dolly and eyes tot being scum together makes sense is my current pause

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I think it would be funny if the team is dolly eyestott fwes

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Pretty much.

Maybe we should try vca?

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Also fwiw you pointed out the same thing I noticed about my role compared to everyone else votato.

I have been trying to figure out how I make sense in all of this and my best thought is maybe angling for a voyeur guilty by seeing who I sacrificed on? I kinda wanna look at how the prs normally look in the mods games but I don’t have time until I get off

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In case my last post isn’t clear

I’m saying I think the thought process behind my role was I sacrifice on someone and the voyeur targets them and gets a guilty from it

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I kinda agree with dgb he sounds too paranoid to be scum.

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Voyeur seems to be a role the mod likes he had it in his last game. He didn’t have a ton of games but it looked like he likes having roles that play off each other- he had a scum doctor enabler and he also used vanilla cop that got absorbed by a universal backup.

I didn’t notice a ton of dupes but he typically had one weird role per alignment which kinda makes me want to lynch in eyestott/votato/dolly/fwes. A part of me says eyestott is opposite of whatever dolly and fwes are.

So,

Jk
Watcher
Bp
2 1 shot voyeur
1 shot weak follower
4 vt

Jk
1 shot bp 1 shot watcher
2 voyeur
1 shot weak follower
5 vt

I’m not including votato here because I’m not sure it makes sense for him to be town looking at that- the mod usually goes heavier on vt’s- 5 in a 9p and 6 in a 13p. I’m really tempted to say scum is hiding more in the prs

One of the games had dolly in it and she was lynched d1. She seemed a lot more relaxed there but I’m not sure if it is a player list thing or something. That vibe was purely from a quick skim to try to get a better idea of how she is.

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If I didn’t have an inno on dgb I’d want her to swing.

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I’m assuming the mod missed something? I missed it too tbh

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He also somehow manages to post less than half the game d1 lol

MOD WHATS UP WITH THE VC WITH THE EXTRA VOTE

Sorry for all caps just want this seen

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Blurry is klick dgb

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I mean I see the four votes but I frankly think it’s just a typo lol

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Dgb this sounds bad but I agreed with everything klick said re blurry

Also dollys in the same slot both times

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Plus that still begs the question why quick hammer after you saw what happened to the last person who did it? It just seems like the stupid shit town would do

Pedit- kinda in the mid for little reasoning but also somehow one of the pushers LF said wagon

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That’s a great quote.

I don’t remember scum being the hammervote a lot before I left is that a new thing?

Plus you yourself said klicks play is pretty town

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Thts my thing I thought the blurry wagon d1 was absolute ass lol he just screams awkward town

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To be fair there’s been like 10 vote counts all game they prob aren’t representative

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But yeah

Like part of me wants to buy her ate but I’m just increasingly skeptical?