Mini Normal 2137 | Polandball | Over

[Pickaxe Pete]

Drew is of the devil, yes.

But

VOTE: gibus

[Pickaxe Pete]

mod hasn’t opened my role confirmation message yet that I sent about 48 hours ago, so I’m unsure what’s going on.

You sure you didn't confirm in the scum PT?

[Pickaxe Pete]

This is a long RvS.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Drippingoofballs is S in that scenario? Or is he R? cuz i can't really tell what r means tbh. Raconteur? Raccoon?

[Pickaxe Pete]

RVS stands for Raccoons Violently Sharing.

houw about a whole lotta shakin' or stripin' or shoutin'

okay... sharin'

[Pickaxe Pete]

VOTE: BlurryFace

We need a wagon.

[Pickaxe Pete]

@mod VLA thru 4 May

[Pickaxe Pete]

Blurry still doesn't look good. Wondering about gibus too I guess. And votato 0 what's the deal with not liking wagons then liking wagons? Hmm

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'm guessing you laughed at the comic strips

these comics are funny

it's a good theme

[Pickaxe Pete]

QQ vs Blurry =

scum vs scum

that's an angle.

early bus strat

[Pickaxe Pete]

pound down

[Pickaxe Pete]

you've been caught gibus

VOTE: gibus

[Pickaxe Pete]

VOTE: gibus L-1

Let's hear a claim. It's clear where this day is headed, so let's get the claim early.

I'm vanilla townie

what do you make of my hammer on you?

you don't know how to do a fake hammer do you

[Pickaxe Pete]

I catch your drift

[Pickaxe Pete]

Paragon, where did you go last night?

[Pickaxe Pete]

Paragon, where did you go last night?

Oh, interesting. I went nowhere.

Hey, eyestott! I reckon I'll repay the favour in this game if you catch my drift.

In 2125 eyestott did you a solid with a clear. I read this as saying that you should have two clears. We're in a position where we need them. So I'm either sheeping you today or voting you.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Actually, it's pretty obvious you're tracker at this point, Pete. Scum will know for a fact if they're not oblivious, so out with your claim. I have more thoughts to give after you claim.

You softed a PR that you didn't think anyone would pick up on. When called on it, you thought I might be running a gambit to get you to claim. Now you want me to claim.

I catch your drift

Did you miss this? I think you did and that you may be scum.

VOTE: Paragon

[Pickaxe Pete]

VOTE: Paragon

[Pickaxe Pete]

This is a low energy, low effort game for me.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Until it isn't.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I softed with the intention eyestott would pick up on it, for reasons you're fully aware of! The plan was to get nightkilled if eyestott was scum basically.

Also yeah, I did miss that post from you.

On the other hand, I think you may have been foiled in an attempt to pocket eyestott.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Which sounds more plausiible? Softing a PR that one person, who may or may not be scum, would pick up on to draw a night kill or setting up a pocket on a townie?

[Pickaxe Pete]

Not worried about fwesnid right now. [paragon,blurry,drippinggoofball]

[Pickaxe Pete]

I doubt there's another quick lynch. It was a stupid thing to do yesterday, and it would be stupider today. What are your reads?

[Pickaxe Pete]

@mod Could we a get VC please?

[Pickaxe Pete]

@mod can you prod blurry please?

[Pickaxe Pete]

Well, scum are in a good position with everyone mia, including the mod. I imagine they're doing their talking in the PT.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Apart from the wagon that was randomly started against me, no one has really provided any explanation as to why I'm scum, rather than that I just dont "look good".

The only thing I can think of is me accusing Quantum in the first RVS on day 1, which votato saw scummy, as I provided no explanation to picking Quantum. However, I explained my vote in 123, and this was all good.

This is the post that strikes me and scummy, mainly because of the way he brushes aside the case on himself

Now, it’s important for you to realise this, notty. I am quite bad at this game. I only recently started playing again, and I’ve had quite bad reads universally. So I place very little faith in my own reads. I’m much better at this game when it gets to lylo and I can help work a solve. Til then, I think my best course of action is find a solid townread, learn from them in how they scumhunt, and sheep them.

Gibus, what’s your experience with face to face mafia/ online mafia like epicmafia/ forum mafia?

This is literally my first game, I've never played mafia before (not even in RL).

Oooh interesting. I reckon that scum!gibus would make quite obvious mistakes then. Whatcha think notty?

I think this is the extent of your hunting this game, eyestott. You have any more of this in you?

[Pickaxe Pete]

Also you didn’t answer my part about why you put yourself on the end of your tow list like an afterthought

If you're talking about #266, the names were in dictionary order

yeah, thats not a natural way to order people. You order them as they pop into your mind, or in some thematic order. Sorting alphabetically is not at all organic, and comes off smelling strongly of scum trying to hide their actual thinking. Only scum would need such an inorganic ordering system.

Gibus, still stand behind that hammer without stating intent and giving the JK a chance to claim?

Gib- Why did you hammer someone you townread as of your latest post reading them? And in the same post, why was your name towards the end of the list of people you think are town, almost like an afterthought?

I didn't hammer QQ without reason, I should have posted why before I did. It didn't look like the game was moving forward and a lot of people were lurking. I thought it was best to go to D2 and continue from there. My vote on votato didn't have any value, and QQ wasn't helping (gave a bad ISO built on RVS, as a result of a prod).

This is not an alt account, and my knowledge on lingo is from MafiaWiki.

I definitely won't be hammering anybody without a reason.

yeah, sorry. thats not a reason to hammer. That is reason enough to vote for someone, but definitely not to hammer them. You gave QQ no chance to defend himself, roleclaim, etc. and a town PR died as a result. Killing people quickly benefits scum and hurts town.

also, pickaxe pete's vote reads as quite opportunistic. if gibus does flip town im going to be looking there for answers.

dolly, im not sure your logic holds. When i was brand new i saw other people using lingo and immediately went to the wiki to read up and learn it. i dont think knowledge of jargon or how the forum works is AI.

VOTE: gibus.

that's L-2.

I want better explanation from gibus about why he killed QQ rather than just stating intent to hammer or letting QQ defend himself. As someone who was on that wagon, even I wasn't ready for a lynch there. pressure=/=reason or intent to lynch. thats just the way the game progresses. you have to push people for clues and information. shake the tree and see what falls out. you dont drop a bomb on the tree just in case theres a hornets nest.

I still don't like this post. This was a few posts after notscience said Dolly took gibus out of context. You pin Dolly for doing that, and you pin me for sheeping Dolly, but then you lay a L-2 vote on gibus in the guise of a pressure vote for the lol hammer. I don't understand why you added a vote. It wasn't necessary. You could have yelled at Dolly and me and gibus and got your point across without voting him. In fact, if you thought my vote was scummy, you probably should have voted me instead while still questioning gibus. The pressure was already on him. And you could have voted him for that reason if dgb, Dolly or I unvoted. The way it looks it was an inconspicuous way for you to slide in a vote on that wagon.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Not a good look, v. But at least it's movement.

[Pickaxe Pete]

@votato You vote Paragon after he votes you and then you vote me after I critique one of your posts. I'm not sure that it's omgus behavior, but it looks like it. Or maybe you were looking for a reason to unvote paragon?

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'm looking for reasons to have content. Any content will do. Apathy is death for towns. Even if that conflict means i get mislynched at some point.

So what pinged you about 686?

How does taking the pressure off of paragon produce content? Don't you think it would be beneficial to see what counter wagon forms to paragon's? What are your thoughts on eyestott?

[Pickaxe Pete]

eyestott and Paragon had pretty good D2s

Even with your 706 this is a head scratcher.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I guess I should let you get through Day 3 before I ask questions.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Chime in when you clear Day 3, Klick.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I don't know why you guys don't think there's not more power. We've lost a JK and a 1-shot voyeur, which is hardly a PR at all, and have another possible 1-shot voyeur. That's all so far, isn't it? So far that's pretty weak.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I’m not sure scum-klick replaces in and asks for a mass claim so on top of how I already felt about blurry I’m leaning town there

I'm not that convinced yet. I think it could just as easily be scum PR fishing.

I wouldn't mind a mass claim since we're behind at this point and we need to use every tool at our disposal, but I really don't like exposing targets. On balance I guess it may be the thing to do.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Although I still maintain dgb is town

How many apathetic town do you think there are?

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'm still interested in hearing the rest of Klick's catch up.

[Pickaxe Pete]

eyestott promised thoughts on massclaim approx. 14 hrs ago. Still like to see a few reads there too.

[Pickaxe Pete]

rn have notsci town. fwe as likely town. Votato likely town. Dgb, dolly & eyestott in the middle somewhere. Para & klick scum. Doing this from memory. Think that covers everyone.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Why does scum even need to out it Is my thing- given how much of a Shit show this game has been and dgb hasn’t even really been under the microscope all game all it serves to do is bring attention to her. Why would you do that when hiding can easily just lead to other lynches.

I noticed you haven’t commented on Dolly. Thoughts?

Is this the post you were looking for dgb? I don't know that it's a smoking gun or anything. Klick followed up with an explanation.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Like I said, the biggest reason would be if her role is truthful but she suspects there might be a Rolecop or something in the setup that would encourage her to come forward.
I don't really see the claim as a towntell the same way you do. I don't think there's sufficient reason to NOT claim as scum there.

Not really sure how to feel about DP. I liked/resonated with some of their early theory talk, but haven't felt strongly about them since. Which probably isn't a great sign. But DGB and Pete have stood out more as questionable in that archetype of player, if that makes sense.

This is klick's follow-up re Dolly. Kind of non-committal I guess.

[Pickaxe Pete]

It's kind of hard for me to reconcile 2 1-shot town voyeurs, but that's prolly just bc I've never seen it before.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'm fine claiming now. I'm vt.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'm inclined to believe eyestott. DGB had problems communicating with the mod, and we haven't had a vc in more than 48 hours, so it's an ongoing thing. Does Town work with two BP? I agree that there has to be a strongman. That would explain the BP claim by Dolly. I think we lynch in Dolly/paragon/klick. As for your 808, notscience, strongman/roleblocker/goon makes sense, doesn't it? Then on the Town side we have 2 1-shot voyeurs/1X BP 1X Watcher/Full Watcher/1-shot RB/JK/4 VTs. I

think

that makes sense/is balanced. A JK can't stop a strongman can it?

Also, Dolly's claim was odd: "I guess its my turn now, I'm 1-Shot BP Townie." Was Townie really necessary?

[Pickaxe Pete]

I skipped notsci somehow. So we have claimed:
1x voyeur
Bulletproof
1x BP 1x watcher
Watcher
1x roleblocker
1x weak follower
VT
VT
VT

I'm no setup genius, so I'll ask, if you throw in another 1-shot voyeur and a jailkeeper along with 2 VTs, where does that leave us?

[Pickaxe Pete]

I like your avatar, Fwesnid.

I agree with this.

[Pickaxe Pete]

i have a hard time swallowing the double 1-shot voyeur. what are the odds that its dgb, notsci, and ??

I don't know. I don't know that I can see who that 3d would be. Have to think about it.

[Pickaxe Pete]

But I still agree on the two voyeurs. That's hard to reconcile.

[Pickaxe Pete]

UNVOTE: Paragon

[Pickaxe Pete]

UNVOTE: Paragon

why?

Doesn't appear there's will to lynch there. No reason for me to be on a vanity wagon at this point.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Paragon claimed VT.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'd be willing to go Paragon or Dolly. Eyestott maybe, although I don't think he'd make up that claim and that story to back it up.

If it's notsci or dgb, I think they go as a package.

I don't think Paragon/eyestott or Paragon/votato are ever SvS. But it could be that Paragon/eyestott/votato are t/t/t or s/t/t or t/s/s. Of those three scenarios, the second is the most likely I think.

Dolly, is the only reason you question eyestott's claim because you are BP?

[Pickaxe Pete]

notsci dolly and eyestotts claims stick out to me

Do you think Dolly/eyestott could be SvS?

[Pickaxe Pete]

But just going on gut, I think there is scum in the VT claims.

Probably ONE goon in that lot.

What is Paragon's claim? I might have missed it.

If we think theres scum in there and we think it isnt klick we are pretty safe to lynch both paragon and pete here. Theyre both in my lynchpool here anyway

I don't know why Klick isn't suspicious. Their Day 2 and Day 3 catch ups were, umm... interesting. And we can't forget that that's Blurry's slot.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I can’t read we covered that later

Gotcha.

conftown

DGB
notscience
Fwes

Not that I disagree, but why do you have notsci and fwes as conftown? Notsci because they confirm you I take it?

[Pickaxe Pete]

QuantumQuasar

- Town Jailkeeper.

Drew-Sta

- Town 1-Shot Voyeur.

gibus

- VT

Atarashi Hajimari

- VT

Fwesnid

- Watcher

votato

- 1-shot Roleblocker

Paragon

- VT

Pete

- VT

Klick

- VT

eyestott - 1X BP 1X Watcher
notsci 1X weak follower
drippinggoofball 1X voyeur
Dolly BP or 1X BP -- not sure which

[Pickaxe Pete]

To be honest, that VC drop reminded me that my vote was on you. I hadn't thought about where it was for awhile. If we're going to have VCs every 48 hours or more, I'd rather have the knowledge that my vote is in my pocket when I post rather than posting without knowing where it is. It's not essential -- obviously I went some time without knowing, but I'd prefer knowing when I want to know without having to dig for it.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Cool. I want to lynch the roleblocker claim, and votato's the only person I've had scummy vibes from thus far.

What's the argument? Votato is in my town pile.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Are you checking the mod or the designer, notsci?

[Pickaxe Pete]

Eyestott maybe, although I don't think he'd make up that claim and that story to back it up.

I believe his story but does that guarantee he's town?

Good point.

[Pickaxe Pete]

The mod never fixed it.

I think gibus voted blurry twice then voted fwesnid. That may have lent to the error.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I dunno if scum would play clueless regarding replacements like dgb.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Are you backtracking now that I caught you?

Walk me through the trap and what you caught.

[Pickaxe Pete]

But just going on gut, I think there is scum in the VT claims.

Probably ONE goon in that lot.

What is Paragon's claim? I might have missed it.

If we think theres scum in there and we think it isnt klick we are pretty safe to lynch both paragon and pete here. Theyre both in my lynchpool here anyway

I don't know why Klick isn't suspicious. Their Day 2 and Day 3 catch ups were, umm... interesting. And we can't forget that that's Blurry's slot.

This is a lot of shade without actually saying anything that you think makes me scummy. What is your actual read on this slot, and why?
What don't you like about my D2/3 catchup?

Pete

I would appreciate a response to this.

Sorry. I need a little time on this. I'll try to do it in the next 8-10 hours or so.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Are you backtracking now that I caught you?

Walk me through the trap and what you caught.

You have to imagine scum are like hungry wolves. Out for nothing but flesh.

I made my blood available (through intentional/obvious crumbs, then vagueness and a pinch of backtracking) and wolves will be wolves. They may stalk and circle around for a bit, but the more and more I bleed the lure becomes too much and they can not restrain from pouncing. That is what klick did. He pounced.

This is unhelpful. And if you've been lying to us, that's unhelpful.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Dolly, what is your role, and are you claiming to have a clear on eyestott?

[Pickaxe Pete]

In addition to a guilty on Klick?

[Pickaxe Pete]

This is some of the most blatant anti-town bunkum I've seen.

[Pickaxe Pete]

VOTE: Dolly

[Pickaxe Pete]

@mod we have a new blurry

[Pickaxe Pete]

I guess that confirms dgb?

[Pickaxe Pete]

I need to do my klick/blurry iso now I guess. That didn't look like klick bussing though. Eyestott not responding to the prod could be low hanging fruit. I still like my earlier push on paragon I think. I still read votato town. And fwesnid. So rn my poe is eyestott, para, and maybe klick.

[Pickaxe Pete]

What makes you think dolly town dgb? Help me see the light?

She said Klick is 100% scum.

Actually I'm reconsidering this

Maybe Klick is her scumpal.

elaborate?

I don't think you fleshed this out dgb.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Welp, I feel kind of helpless. I have no way to prove my innocence. I guess that's pretty much it. No need for me to put any more work into this. That's what I get for not playing from the start.

[Pickaxe Pete]

VOTE: fwesnid

[Pickaxe Pete]

I don't know, and I don't feel much like thinking about it rn. I'm guessing we're not going to get a result from eyestott since it appears he was idle. So really eyestott could be used as whomever sees fit. Could be a Gambit on the part of fwesnid/idle scum eyestott or could be fwesnid/??? setting eyestott up. W/o looking at the claimed PRs I think I'm fairly certain paragon is town now along with dgb and me. And probably votato. It would be ironic if eye, para and I were all town. But I dunno. Guess I'll think about it. I'd still like to hear dgb's hunch worked out a little more. But at least I do know that fwesnid is mafia.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Since we're not in lylo town should lynch me today to prove fwesnid. We should work on finding the partner.

UNVOTE:

There's no way I should not be the lynch today unless it's fwesnid. I right now claim that I will self-hammer unless directed otherwise. So anyone who hammers me prior to that decision being made will necessarily be the third scum.

Until then, we're going to talk about either who my partner is or who fwesnid's partner is.

[Pickaxe Pete]

eyestott logged into the site before Night ended.

He may have, but according to the VCs, he was inactive in this game.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Awesome. Really fortunate that you both targeted notscience and got a result - I thought notsci was the obvious NK choice but also that if scum were going to do it, they would have some way to work around you.

I'd prefer to see eyestott's result and at least make sure we don't have anything to coordinate before we lynch.

What do you mean that "you both targeted notscience?"

[Pickaxe Pete]

Eyestott and Fwesnid need to claim their results tonight as their first posts of the day.

VOTE: Picaxe Pete
This is the strongman/whatever.
They were the only visit on Notsci.

The maf roleblocker should be either eyes or votato.
Since I still believe paragon is town, and isoing Dolly+Pete that's a crazy amount of bussing to do to your roleblocker if it's the blurry/klick slot.

Since fwesnid is POEing eyestott and votato I think this clears them?

[Pickaxe Pete]

Oh wait it sort of implies eyestott-town that Fwesnid didn't die. Scum could have avoided this guilty if they just killed Fwesnid, but they didn't. Which means they were afraid to. And the only reason they'd be afraid to is if they believed eyestott would catch them.

This points to a fwesnid/klick team. If klick didn't realize eyestott was idle per the VCs, this theory falls flat.

[Pickaxe Pete]

---

Dolly Parton

has been lynched day 3. She was a

Mafia Goon.

Spoiler: Role PM

Goon

Welcome, Dolly Parton, to Mini Normal 2137 | Polandball.
You are a

Mafia Goon

!

As a member of the mafia, you can kill a player each night and converse privately with your fellow members. You will receive more information in a separate pm.

You possess no special abilities.

You win when mafia equal or outnumber the town, or nothing can prevent the same.

Here is the game thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82872

Confirm by replying with your role and alignment.

It is now Night 3. Deadline for night actions is

(expired on 2020-05-20 18:44:41)

.

@eyestott

, you have not posted in the last 24 hours could you please reply to the Night PM to confirm you are still playing

EOD eyestott is asked to respond to night PM.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Day 4 BEGINS

---

VC 4.0

Not Voting (7) -

Pickaxe Pete, Fwesnid, Klick, votato, DrippingGoofball, Paragon, eyestott

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 4 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-05 01:09:57)

Game Notes

-

- I am so sorry for the additional 48 hours, I didn't know it was already 4 days.
- Prodding eyestott

Day 4 begins eyestott is prodded indicating he didn't respond to the night PM.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Uh i don't think it necessarily clears either of us even if fwesnid is lying. That said i think this 1 for 1 trade would be bad for scum so i think we have to lynch pickaxe here. I really don't see the motivation for faking a guilty on a vt. VOTE: pickaxe

That's fine, but I ask that all honor my request so we can flesh out the partner, whoever you believe the primary is.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Since we're not in lylo town should lynch me today to prove fwesnid. We should work on finding the partner.

UNVOTE:

There's no way I should not be the lynch today unless it's fwesnid. I right now claim that I will self-hammer unless directed otherwise. So anyone who hammers me prior to that decision being made will necessarily be the third scum.

Until then, we're going to talk about either who my partner is or who fwesnid's partner is.

This should come across as I'm volunteering to self-hammer unless otherwise directed, not that I'm threatening to.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Agreed. How is it that you roll scum almost every game, Alore? I guess it's an efficient way if improving at it, but I wonder if you're starting to feel sick of it. That said, the only time I played with town!you, you replaced out... so maybe you do just really enjoy it.

Surely that's it.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Dolly, what is your role, and are you claiming to have a clear on eyestott?

In addition to a guilty on Klick?

This is some of the most blatant anti-town bunkum I've seen.

can someone summarize the dolly case? is it mostly the claim shenanigans?

If Alore decided to bus Dolly, this comment from votato!scum is a little odd. If we look at the precious VC and general reads of people, it was looking likely that one of [Dolly, Alore, votato] would be lynched, but if that was the case and Dolly decided to self-implode, then why didn't votato also hop on for some towncred? Maybe they were uncoordinated and Dolly was actually just playing badly, Alore saw the writing on the wall, but votato didn't.

You'd think that would be worked out in the scum PT.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Agreed. How is it that you roll scum almost every game, Alore? I guess it's an efficient way if improving at it, but I wonder if you're starting to feel sick of it. That said, the only time I played with town!you, you replaced out... so maybe you do just really enjoy it.

Surely that's it.

Be honest :p

Outside of this game, what alignment do you generally prefer?

I haven't had much to compare to. Two games I think?That chip game was a grind. But that may have been bc it lasted so long.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Eyestott and Fwesnid need to claim their results tonight as their first posts of the day.

VOTE: Picaxe Pete
This is the strongman/whatever.
They were the only visit on Notsci.

The maf roleblocker should be either eyes or votato.
Since I still believe paragon is town, and isoing Dolly+Pete that's a crazy amount of bussing to do to your roleblocker if it's the blurry/klick slot.

So Fwesnid is town.

You did that analysis without realizing fwesnid had claimed a guilty on me?

[Pickaxe Pete]

Anyway, you need to consider the scenario of fwesnid!scum and Pickaxe!Town also.

As I said above, I have to be the lynch today to prove who is Town between fwesnid and me. So each of the Town players who may be in lylo tomorrow need to consider this.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Anyway, you need to consider the scenario of fwesnid!scum and Pickaxe!Town also.

As I said above, I have to be the lynch today to prove who is Town between fwesnid and me. So each of the Town players who may be in lylo tomorrow need to consider this.

No I don't need to consider that scenario LOL

Yeah, you kinda do.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Why did you use [the RB shot] last night?

@votato

Klick wanting to make sure votato isn't lying.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I hope he is.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'm guessing eyestott is going to be replaced, which means another blow to town most likely because of the learning curve.

[Pickaxe Pete]

It's going to be important for town to look at the first 20-25 posts from today's day start.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Since we're not in lylo town should lynch me today to prove fwesnid. We should work on finding the partner.

UNVOTE:

There's no way I should not be the lynch today unless it's fwesnid. I right now claim that I will self-hammer unless directed otherwise. So anyone who hammers me prior to that decision being made will necessarily be the third scum.

Until then, we're going to talk about either who my partner is or who fwesnid's partner is.

Hey, Alore. Why have you completely resigned yourself to getting lynched before fwesnid? Do you really think you have no chance of convincing us?

I've been Town reading fwesnid all game. I think everyone has. I dug myself into a hole the first two days. A fake guilty is a pretty smart play by someone widely TR on someone who is iffy. Looking at it objectively, I would likely lean believing fwesnid also. Therefore, my best play for Town is to set Town up for Day 4 or whatever tomorrow is so whoever is left can make the most informed decision possible. As a result, I'm going to keep spewing facts and opinions as I think of them and as I get energy to do so in the hopes that someone tomorrow will review what I'm writing today and take it into account when they realize that what I'm saying is coming from Town.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Since we're not in lylo town should lynch me today to prove fwesnid. We should work on finding the partner.

UNVOTE:

There's no way I should not be the lynch today unless it's fwesnid. I right now claim that I will self-hammer unless directed otherwise. So anyone who hammers me prior to that decision being made will necessarily be the third scum.

Until then, we're going to talk about either who my partner is or who fwesnid's partner is.

Hey, Alore. Why have you completely resigned yourself to getting lynched before fwesnid? Do you really think you have no chance of convincing us?

I've been Town reading fwesnid all game. I think everyone has. I dug myself into a hole the first two days. A fake guilty is a pretty smart play by someone widely TR on someone who is iffy. Looking at it objectively, I would likely lean believing fwesnid also. Therefore, my best play for Town is to set Town up for Day 4 or whatever tomorrow is so whoever is left can make the most informed decision possible. As a result, I'm going to keep spewing facts and opinions as I think of them and as I get energy to do so in the hopes that someone tomorrow will review what I'm writing today and take it into account when they realize that what I'm saying is coming from Town.

I should say the most informed decision the day after next because

fwesnid is the lynch tomorrow

. His claim today is essentially a sacrifice for scum to get to a 3-man lylo.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Awesome. Really fortunate that you both targeted notscience and got a result - I thought notsci was the obvious NK choice but also that if scum were going to do it, they would have some way to work around you.

I'd prefer to see eyestott's result and at least make sure we don't have anything to coordinate before we lynch.

I keep reading this in the voice of Wendy from South Park. Seems so contrived.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Repeating this:

It's going to be important for town to look at the first 20-25 posts from today's day start.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Confirmed:
QuantumQuasar - Town Jailkeeper.
Drew-Sta - Town 1-Shot Voyeur.
gibus - VT
Atarashi Hajimari - VT
notsci 1X weak follower
Dolly Parton Mafia Goon

claimed:
Fwesnid - Watcher
votato - 1-shot Roleblocker
Paragon - VT
Pete - VT
Klick - VT
eyestott - 1X BP 1X Watcher
drippinggoofball 1X voyeur

I'm not a setup guy so I don't know what makes sense and what doesn't. I don't know why there would be both a full-time watcher and a 1X watcher. Did fwesnid claim before eyestott?

[Pickaxe Pete]

Didn't crumb though you could consider 502 a soft.

Watcher
Night 1 I watched atarashi, no visits.
Night 2 I watched notsci, no result.
(Picked townreads that were also shared, obviously)

I supported mass claim because it was likely I die tonight with how this game's going, and I had assumed pete was tracker who would get roleblocked.

And if we mishang and I did catch a scum I question if I would be believed coming out with a cc in lylo with no other info.

I’m a 1-shot watcher. I didn’t use it because I had no idea who the mafia would target with their night kill.
And hey, I’m 1-shot bulletproof too.
I didn’t really “crumb” this game, even though I’ve done so in the other games I’ve been in that are now finished
Other than me saying that the mod didn’t respond to my pms at the start of the game. I was asking him if
A) I can use my watcher ability to target myself
B) I’ll be informed if I lose my bulletproof ability
Dolly and Fwesnid should be able to confirm the answers to each of these are no.

Yes, fwesnid claimed before eyestott.

[Pickaxe Pete]

fwesnid: you scum read me for being the only person who has a good reason for their vote? what? am i misreading that? also, i dont see much merit in doing wagon analysis here. maybe individual votes, and reasoning. but with a lolhammer i feel like theres a much higher degree of randomness to who is on wagons, no?

I suppose that's what it looks like. More so the drew death but maybe I need to reconsider.
I guess can the degree of randomness account for the two wagons looking as similar as they were? That's what I'm getting hung up on.

I’ve been thinking overnight and I don’t see a way dgbs claim comes from scum. She wasn’t under pressure or anything. So I’m pretty confident that she’s both town and that scum has a watcher as well.

Where'd you get the scum-aligned watcher from?

And this is fwesnid's "soft."

[Pickaxe Pete]

fwesnid said in 790 "you could consider 502 a soft," which doesn't indicate that he left a breadcrumb at all. His statement demonstrates a mindset of non-intent, while breadcrumbs are intentionally placed. So I don't understand in 790 why he would even say "well, you know, if you want you could consider 502 a soft, so I really did breadcrumb if you want to get technical." He should have said, "I crumbed in 502." or "I softed watcher in 502." Not

"you could consider

"

[Pickaxe Pete]

So fwesnid claimed watcher before he knew there was a watcher who was going to claim, and he dug up a statement that if you look really really hard "you could consider" it a "soft."

[Pickaxe Pete]

I checked bc klick mentioned that he was on site, and eyestott's profile indicates his last site activity was about 6 hrs prior to daystart. The VCs indicate he was idle in this game overnight. I also think we should hear from eyestott or his replacement.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I don't think it's indicative of anything. I don't agree. I know votato doesn't agree. Votato may be scum (I doubt it), but it's not with me.

I can't wait for you to suggest that we lynch votato today instead of the one fwesnid has claimed a guilty on.

It's going to be important tomorrow and the day after for town to look at the first 20-25 posts from today's day start.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I thanks for repping in KA. I'll give you a full response later, but I want to get a couple things in just in case. 1) I feel much better about 3-man lylo now bc that's where we're headed. With KA engaged and still has his powers, that puts us a step ahead. Nothing against eyestott there, but he obviously checked out of this game mentally. 2) KA please use the watch power smartly. When you see me flip green you will know that fwesnid is the lynch tomorrow and you will be one of the Townies in 3 man lylo. You've got to figure out how you want to use that watch. Mafia can't shoot at you tonight and have a no kill night then a fwesnid scum lynch tomorrow. So I think you save it for tomorrow night when you'll have three suspects to choose from. Those are your best odds.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Tomorrow and the following phase if you go back and read those first 20 posts or so as if you were town!Pete you may be able to see what I see knowing that someone claimed a fake guilty on you after you played a shitty game and then klick comes in and says oh wow that's amazing you targeted Pete and got a guilty and no one killed you when you were the obvious kill but oh yeah they were afraid of eyestott catching them.

[Pickaxe Pete]

So the 3-man is probably going to be KA, klick and votato, and I choose klick all day long.

[Pickaxe Pete]

This isn't just about the guilty claim: I found the interaction between Pete and Dolly after the "crumbing and definition of the word 'clear'" debacle to sound rather fake. Posts 1050 to 1060.

I'm glad you put this in there. It directed my attention to 1063. I didn't realize both klick and fwesnid asked eyestott to watch fwesnid last night. They wanted eyestott to waste that watch.

[Pickaxe Pete]

You believe Votato roleblocked Klick last night?

If yes, do you feel that was a town motivated action? Face value question.

I believe he may have, although I hope he saved it. If he did, it was a pro town move absolutely. Klick was scum suspicious for me and I believe for votato also, but I'm not sure about that off the top of my head.

[Pickaxe Pete]

If what you were getting at is that I (or my predecessor) was supposed to post any results...I'm afraid I have nothing.

As far as I am aware, I still have both my watch and my BP status.

That's perfect.

If Pete is scum:
KAAG watches Fwesnid
Fwesnid watches who he thinks the NK will be

If Pete is town:
KAAG watches who he thinks the NK will be

Does anyone have objections to this?

If I am town, my suggestion is KA holds onto the watch until after the fwesnid lynch tomorrow when his odds will be better.

[Pickaxe Pete]

You believe Votato roleblocked Klick last night?

If yes, do you feel that was a town motivated action? Face value question.

I believe he may have, although I hope he saved it. If he did, it was a pro town move absolutely. Klick was scum suspicious for me and I believe for votato also, but I'm not sure about that off the top of my head.

When you say "I hope he saved it" and "If he did"...you realise he has posted that he used it on Klick, right? I was asking whether you believe him, not whether it happened.

I guess I'll take your answer as 'Yes' in any case, although it's a little odd that the man who insists that the replacement carefully reads the day seems not to have.

I know he claims to have used it, and I tend to believe him, but I hope that he didn't.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Oh wait it sort of implies eyestott-town that Fwesnid didn't die. Scum could have avoided this guilty if they just killed Fwesnid, but they didn't. Which means they were afraid to. And the only reason they'd be afraid to is if they believed eyestott would catch them.

This points to a fwesnid/klick team. If klick didn't realize eyestott was idle per the VCs, this theory falls flat.

So tomorrow look at klick's response to this, this whole diologue. Instead of saying it didn't matter whether eyestott actually was active or not, the important thing is the threat that he could be, klick asks the mods if the VCs are correct. I just realized last night that my belief that the theory was wrong was incorrect thinking on my part. Why didn't klick tell me my theory was wrong and instead go for the incorrect VC angle?

Anyway, something else for you to consider during lylo.

[Pickaxe Pete]

'm currently reading his actions as trying to keep open as many potential partners to him as possible. I

You say this, and you also say I'm tunnelling you, which I am.

I'm really only considering you and maybe votato as the third scum. The paragon TR, just like the KA TR, is a matter of process of elimination.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Uh i don't think it necessarily clears either of us even if fwesnid is lying. That said i think this 1 for 1 trade would be bad for scum so i think we have to lynch pickaxe here. I really don't see the motivation for faking a guilty on a vt. VOTE: pickaxe

This is the post from votato that gave me a heavy town vibe.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Full disclosure: I'm not reading the whole thread. I will do some ISO combinations.

Skimmed a threeway ISO with Dolly and the Blurry/Klick slot. I doubt that's a team.

ISO'd DGB in full. Are you wavering on Klick being scum, DGB? You said he seemed townier today.

Pete:

I read this day twice. My main takeaway is its you vs Fwesnid: he is claiming a guilty on you. He's probably had enough time to retract if it was just a reaction test, so looks like there is scum in you/him. Is that what you expected me to get to? If there was something else major, treat me like a kid and quote it at me please.

I think you got the gist of it. I am just trying to prep town for lylo rn.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I see Notscience claimed inno on DGB as a weak watcher. Any reason I should doubt this? DGB clear?

Yes, dgb should be clear.

[Pickaxe Pete]

'm currently reading his actions as trying to keep open as many potential partners to him as possible. I

You say this, and you also say I'm tunnelling you, which I am.

I'm really only considering you and maybe votato as the third scum. The paragon TR, just like the KA TR, is a matter of process of elimination.

This doesn't match with the reads you posted

right before

that PoE. Your PoE before that was Paragon, eyestott, and maybe me. What changed?

Fwesnid's guilty claim and your disingenuous thereafter. Keep in mind post 1003 I think it was where I was going to get back with you on what I felt was wrong with your entrance. Whatever that last reply to you was yesterday where I told you I needed more time to do that. That was the last interaction we had yesterday I think. I had you as a scum lean then.

Eyestott read changed obviously with the fake guilty. From my pov fwesnid is not a watcher but is scum, so eyestott's watcher claim is confirmed as far as I'm concerned.

Everything posted today points to you being the third scum. One of the things I don't like is the conflict between Dolly and you yesterday, but I can't see how that just wasn't good theatre.

So between fwesnid's fake guilty and your insincere posting today, process of elimination has paragon and everyone else town.

I could be wrong, and maybe it is Paragon or votato, so I'll think on it some more. The truth will be in the next 4 deaths though. KA and the remaining town member will have good info to work with in lylo.

[Pickaxe Pete]

And paragon seems to be the only one willing to at least entertain the notion that having two watchers is odd or give the town too much power. I think we talked about how odd eyestott's claim was earlier in the game. Many didn't believe him bc it was so odd, but I said I didn't think he would make that wild claim up (I was also willing to believe that there were two watchers I think). I guess I should go look at the doubters to see if they were you, Dolly and/or fwesnid angling to mis-lynch eyestott; actually, if it was fwesnid and Dolly and someone else that someone else may be #3. But anyway, now I understand why that role exists -- to get the player to lylo.

[Pickaxe Pete]

It's hard to believe Fwesnid, who I TR very strongly, has faked his report before he knew what my predecessor did last night. Therefore I suspect it's genuine. If I'm wrong and you do flip town Pete, I will re-read every word you wrote, as you suggest, with that fact in mind.

Love to hear now from the others. DGB in particular, as she seemed to scum read Klick on D2. And is clear.

Nobody has doubts on Paragon?

I'm not sure what bearing fwesnid's reporting before knowing what eyestott was going to say has.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Alore, you mentioned a townread scum faking a guilty on a suspected town slot is a good/clever move. I see it as the opposite, it was very possible for Fwensid!scum to get you mislynched today without incriminating himself for the next day. Do you disagree?

Not necessarily. I don't know what the plan was, but for whatever reason, that's what it included. They didn't expect eyestott checking out, and I don't think they anticipated me spewing like this.

Honestly, without the fake guilty, I'm still semi-coasting and maybe somewhat easily talked into a votato lynch even though I prefer a paragon or klick lynch. I'm probably on the block though, yes, along with whomever.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Unless there are other questions, I'm done. You can hammer.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'd wait for paragon to give his okay.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Eyestott and Fwesnid need to claim their results tonight as their first posts of the day.

VOTE: Picaxe Pete
This is the strongman/whatever.
They were the only visit on Notsci.

The maf roleblocker should be either eyes or votato.
Since I still believe paragon is town, and isoing Dolly+Pete that's a crazy amount of bussing to do to your roleblocker if it's the blurry/klick slot.

So Fwesnid is town.

Remember your reads before this, dgb.

[Pickaxe Pete]

I'm guessing dgb is the nk though.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Fwesnid's going to make the kill obv.

[Pickaxe Pete]

So no need to watch

[Pickaxe Pete]

If votato's idea includes lynching anyone other than me or fwesnid today, then he's #3.