Mini Normal 2143 (Game over)

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ah ok.

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Yes, sir. Mohab self lynched. Fred claimed he track guiltied Persivul. We are 99% sure on Porkens.

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The claim was after the lynch.

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Sorry said that wrong.

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No I said it right, nm I need to get to bed.

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VOTE: percivul

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Why should we? We got scum.

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We can talk now.

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Hey people.

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Hold em is fun. Maybe I should set up a mish mash game.

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I have set up a hold em game in mish mash. Join!

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You don't agree you should claim first?

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Very convenient that your night actions are not provable except for Sakura.

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VOTE: popopo

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Unvote

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So, either pop or Fakran is likely scum, right? and pop more likely due to the counterclaim?

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Well, if you have a hood you obviously don't need to crumb in the hood.

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Fakran explain how the game is solved?

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But if he's town we're screwed?

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Tracker and neopolitan and 3 player hood.

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I think Firebringer is right, but we should probably wait for other players to chime in, right?

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I must say the odds of getting a neopolitan counterclaim is extremely low.

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This is more likely, but if Fakran is wrong about you(pop) then we just lynch Fakran next, so I don't think that's a very smart move.

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I think scum is popo/pork

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How many mislynches do we have left?

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Frakan's claim could be a calculated risk that we will mislynch one more time after popo.

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I think town loses in both scenarios.

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Popo(scum)>Porkens>Quick

Popo(town)>Farkran(scum)>Norway or Fire or Porkens

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neighbor isn't a pr u noob

Wiki: A power role is any role that is not Vanilla.

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You're kind of reaching here Farkran.

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If popo unknowingly did a us-only crumb isn't that kind of a townslip?

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To win at mafia you have to nitpick.

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Fakran didn't hand us a solve they handed us more WIFOM.

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So do we think popo was a townslip or not?

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And do we think scum!Farkran would sacrifice themselves to go to lylo?

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And we the agree that the odds of popo scum claiming neo and getting town counterclaimed is small right?

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So I think the correct move after Quick surfaces is to vote Fakran unless someone has better reasoning.

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No, what's holding it up is that it's more likely that you would find popo's crumb and fake claim more than him to fake claim and for you to be a real neo.

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They could but that would be pretty weird.

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You have to play the game by the odds right?

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That's only if he is town though, an unlikely scenario in the first place. So that's not the odds on play.

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I'm not going to not do the mathematically correct thing. Fakran is obviously the better player. That doesn't make him town.

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I get it. But Farkran's story doesn't add up. It would have to mean a double neo claim or two neo's in the game. I just don't buy it, sorry, from a structural standpoint in a normal game.

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I'm not going to not do the mathematically correct thing. Fakran is obviously the better player. That doesn't make him town.

Who do u think Farkran is betting the gme on then? Cause we know that is his plan for this game if he is scum.

I don't know, me maybe?

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I'm not going to not do the mathematically correct thing. Fakran is obviously the better player. That doesn't make him town.

Who do u think Farkran is betting the gme on then? Cause we know that is his plan for this game if he is scum.

I don't know, me maybe?

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If the 3rd scum is you or Nor I say good game and admit defeat. If it is Farkan and either Porkens or Quick then town wins.

I say that is better odds than betting on town Farkran.

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btw when i continue to say "Farkrn is betting the game on someone" i mean he is trusting his teammate to carry the win to the end.

Sorry, I thought you meant on a town mislyching.

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It wouldn't be my bet either, but it's still more likely than town!Farkran.

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Your theory assumes that a) scum has a rolecop and b) they targeted you. If you are scum, you didn't have to know about the ice cream, just one of your scumbuddies did.

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Doesn't matter.

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Well that's an obvious exageration.

Riddle me this. If pops is scum and rolecopped a town neo, why would he claim it if he knew he would be counterclaimed? Why not claim something else?

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Having two neo's in a hood together is likely in what universe?

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Well that's an obvious exageration.

Riddle me this. If pops is scum and rolecopped a town neo, why would he claim it if he knew he would be counterclaimed? Why not claim something else?

because first person to claim is more likely believed than second? and he noticed "hey i mentioned ice cream in my posts. Ill use that as my "proof".

This is not true. If player A claims power role, and player B claims the same power role, then player B is usually believed becausee usually player A is claiming out of a wagon wheras player B is calling out player A's lie.

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Let me get this straight. You're suggesting that if a player claims and another player counterclaims, in general you shouldn't believe the counterclaiming player?

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That's a fair point that he didn't crumb his results.

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Lynching town!pops gets scum to lylo right? Isn't that enough of a reason for him to push town!pops?

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Lynching town!pops gets scum to lylo right? Isn't that enough of a reason for him to push town!pops?

Lynching scum!farkran basically gets them to lylo too....

If we lynch scum!farkran we still have a mislynch right?

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I mean, it's pretty obvious if we lynch farkran and he's town, we lynch pops next, and if we lynch pops and he's town, we lynch farkran next right?

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So the last scum is quick right? It would make sense that he is the one holding up the fast nights.

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I believe in due conversation about lynches. I'm pretty sure my defense of drew and pops lolvote on me day 1 is a pretty good case of my towniness. Also I said that scum wanted the mohab lynch which was correct.

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Because he was active early in the game and then suddenly became inactive for one. I'll need to check his voting history but I'm pretty sure it isn't good. I'm also not sure about Porkens.

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I could also see Firebringer scum but you would be my third pick.

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Quick
Day 1: Firebringer, Farkran, Mohab
Day 2: No Vote
Day 3: No Vote
Day 4: Farkran

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VOTE: Quick

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We are bloodthirsty sonsofbitches.

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very good.

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Anyone play Warhammer?

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Yay fast night.

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Oh so you're 1 v 1 us? Cool. That's enough reason to know that I'm town and pork is scum.

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If you were trying to convince me that Nor is scum, I might actually think there was a chance you were town.

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I don't like how porkens acted day 1. Since then porkens has acted a little more town.

Norway has not really said anything controversial, seems like he is just riding the waves.

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Pork if you are town you need to give me a minute of your time instead of assuming I am scum.

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Ok right now I am assuming Norway is scum as well based on Firebringer's point that you could have gotten TownForkran lynched and defended him instead.

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Aren't mods supposed to lock players out after they die?

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I think a mod error may have won the game for us, not that I wasn't leaning that way anyway.

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VOTE: NorweiganboyEE

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not locking out Quick. Quick knows who is town, presumably, in the dead thread.

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I mean some mods don't reveal that but a lot do.

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He probably thought it was the dead thread.

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because there's 3 scum probably.

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I think your lurking strategy did you in more than the setup. You pretty much let the town control the conversation.

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I'm not saying you specifically, I meant your whole team. The town was much more conversational in general.

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Well I have to say I learned a lot this game. I certainly didn't play perfect, but my strategy worked out in the end. I was pretty sure I was going to be end gamed because of all the good players in the game that would probably be NKd before me so by day 3 or 4 I tried to be more observant and open to commentary from other town and pro town players. I went into Day 6 thinking Norway was town because he had a more consistantly pro town playing style but I reread Firebringers ISO and saw the pro-Porkens post and agreed with it and that changed my mind. And of course the Quick post. Very unusual game and a lot of fun to play. Thanks for putting up with me!

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I know players have a 66% of being town so I try to town search as much as scum search if not more.

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I have an abrasive communication style and am somewhat new to the site(at least my alt), so I'm not surprised I was scum read a lot. I need to work on my early game play for sure.

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I love playing scum.

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I have an abrasive communication style and am somewhat new to the site(at least my alt), so I'm not surprised I was scum read a lot. I need to work on my early game play for sure.

Well at least my early assesment that you looked like lynchbait was correct.

Yes, you were very hard for me to read that is why I was pushing you. Players that are quiet make me nervous.

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I have an abrasive communication style and am somewhat new to the site(at least my alt), so I'm not surprised I was scum read a lot. I need to work on my early game play for sure.

ur not abrasive at all imo.

you're so sweet. You were obvtown to me though that is why I pocketed you. I need to read your scum game at some point so I know not to do that when you are on the other side.

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Also allow players to claim before hammering them. Even as scum.

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I'm actually surprised that town won considering how badly we started.

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Yeah, i didn't hear mafia complaining when things were going their way in the beginning, to be honest.

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But do you like Haggen Daz?

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norwe woulda won if quick hadnt posted after his death. all good tho

No pork and I were both thinking him anyway.