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[gobbledygook]

I would like to motion that we eliminate Blair, then Clair, in that order.

No reason in particular.

Ok

VOTE: Flair

[gobbledygook]

I’ve never played a game with two week-long Day phases.

This is going to be the most difficult game I’ve ever played.

Deadlines are guidelines. We can end day tomorrow. I’ve already caught a scum. I’ll reveal when the clock strikes 12.

[gobbledygook]

Fb would you self hammer if we got you there

Would you hammer if we got someone there

[gobbledygook]

When is the best time for me to claim?

Now probably. I am about to claim though.

[gobbledygook]

I am informed townie I have weird and probably not useful information. But it is my opinion that informed townies should put their information whether discretely or indiscreetly as soon as possible. Since my information doesn’t have any noticeable role implications here it is.

At least 1 of ABR, NoPowerOverMe, Blair, and iamusername are town.

[gobbledygook]

I am informed townie I have weird and probably not useful information. But it is my opinion that informed townies should put their information whether discretely or indiscreetly as soon as possible. Since my information doesn’t have any noticeable role implications here it is.

At least 1 of ABR, NoPowerOverMe, Blair, and iamusername are town.

if this is true, this might imply the existence of 4 scum, which kinda sucks. I usually assume 3 scum in a 13 player, which means this would be given knowledge if that were the case.

How does this imply 4 scum? I have my own thoughts on a potential implication, but I want to see others’ thoughts before I reveal because it could have role consequences.

[gobbledygook]

But if it's 3 scum, then what's the point of gobble being informed that in a group of 4 there's at least 1 town.

I guess that is the point. Why make me informed in the first place

[gobbledygook]

I think that this is the design of the game and that there are other informed townies whose lists may overlap

[gobbledygook]

I think that this is the design of the game and that there are other informed townies whose lists may overlap

And how does that help us?
As FL said before, you can pick any list of 4 players at random and there will always be at least 1 townie if there's 3 scum.

If any of my four are on multiple others’ lists of 4 it increases the chance that those overlapping names are the “at least 1” townie

[gobbledygook]

I am fine with calling gobbles town.

Gobbles, lead us to victory with ur informed mind.

I’m drink on rice wine

[gobbledygook]

Fb why so confident

[gobbledygook]

Oh no fb are you evil bringer

VOTE: fb

[gobbledygook]

Flair, sheep me.

It seems ur in the market for sheep. How much u willing to pay for sheep?

One night of unmitigated passion.

I blushed

[gobbledygook]

If they are the same person wouldnt the list mod have caught that?

That is exactly why I didn't express my opinion immediately. If anyone is paying attention, the Joined: date under the accounts Clair and Flair are June 05, 2020. Both of them. Hence my suspicions. They may very well be actually three different players, though.

Claire and Flair are clearly alt accounts made to troll Blair.
I do not understand the conspiracy theory that they would all be Blair’s alt accounts.

[gobbledygook]

NPOM is the scum opportunistically jumping on Fred's conspiracy theories to try to push a mislynch.

What do you mean opportunistically jumping on Fred? I don’t see a vote from NPOM on Fred.

[gobbledygook]

NPOM is the scum opportunistically jumping on Fred's conspiracy theories to try to push a mislynch.

What do you mean opportunistically jumping on Fred? I don’t see a vote from NPOM on Fred.

Jumping on(board) Fred's conspiracy theories, I believe, was what he was saying.

yes, this.

as in, he saw Fred suggesting that Blair/Clair/Flair might be the same person, thought to himself 'i can use this', rubbed his scummy little hands together with glee and voted for Clair.

Ah, this makes more sense.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

[gobbledygook]

is scum daytalk standard practice these days? do scum typically run their posts by each other before posting them?

Yes.
Case by case, but largely no.

[gobbledygook]

You noob flair. Change the Avi. I joined for Blair trolling and it’s Blair trolling I want!!

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Looker

[gobbledygook]

I am starting to wonder if it is a good idea to make my thought process this transparent. Well, won't know till I see its effects.

What's wrong with transparency?

[gobbledygook]

We should still kill Looker, Fredrick seems naive

[gobbledygook]

Is this a policy lynch?

Why did you think this was a policy lynch and why did you single out only me for that?

[gobbledygook]

Why did you cut out and ignore the rest of my questions? Why didn't you give a reason for your vote? Who else do you feel is playing as poorly as you?

What other questions did you ask me other than your question about thinking Fred is naive?

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To answer your question about Fred's naivety, I get that from his posts. I don't think naivety is only unique to newbies. It is also a personality trait.

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I do not think I am playing poorly. Why do you think I am playing poorly?
I voted you because I felt you were being opportunistic.

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Looker, are you scumreading Clair?

[gobbledygook]

Your opening salvo of posts is much less your vibe than I’ve seen town you do.

[gobbledygook]

ABR, have you tried to interact with me?

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: ABR

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Clair

Nani?

[gobbledygook]

I think the triplets are town.

[gobbledygook]

The Sakura I remember is pretty intuitive when it comes to catching scum, but she doesn’t have the best articulation. She pokes and needles various people. I haven’t read her iso so i cannot comment on if she’s playing like she does typically.

There’s also a secret tell she does as town afaik, but I’m not gonna reveal that yet

[gobbledygook]

I need to make a Blair alt her memes are spicy

Eclair?

[gobbledygook]

See I started with a townread on Claire And moved to Flair then Blair. Mayne I need to revise Clair. She is the least prolific one

[gobbledygook]

We can agree that the Turkey is our top villager, Blair.

Why do you find me to be your top town?

[gobbledygook]

FL is town

[gobbledygook]

If ABR, FB, and FL are “objectively” the best players in the game, colour me unimpressed.

Uhhhhhhh
I don’t know who told you this but it sounds like a personal opinion and not a global opinion

[gobbledygook]

ok, read the pages that appeared overnight. now feel like i have at least some kind of read on every player besides stanley, who is yet to exist.

I just played with scumABR and it feels drastically tonally different than his scum game, albeit,

I am now just on another side

, but he sheeped me all Day 1 in it, and by Day 3 I still caught him and his partner out as scum, but I got mislynched. I actually caught him on Day 2.
.

FL, could you clarify what you mean by the bolded?

Firebringer's 'i'm going to effort post to convince you all to lynch Clair' and getting disillusioned with his own case halfway through feels real town to me. just don't see scum Fire bothering to put the effort in to do all of that when he's been getting away fine with coasting to this point.

on the subject of coasting, i'd had a gut town feel from gobbledygook before, but 816 gave me bad vibes. does not feel like a question to try to figure out anyone's alignment. feels like a question to look like they're contributing and, as an added bonus, get some people to post about how town they are.
so i looked at their iso to try and figure out where my initial read came from, and found it to be incredibly lacking in substance. there's no effort to push anything, there's just a bunch of fairly meaningless questions with no follow up and the occasional random declaration that someone or other is town.

pop quiz everybody: without checking, can you tell me who gobbledygook is voting for right now? do you remember

any

of the votes gobbledygook has made in this game? if no,

why do you think that is?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gobbledygook

This is a terrible vote.

[gobbledygook]

Yes, I can see how pointing it out repeatedly would help that strategy succeed.

The problem with scum is they overestimate the ability of someone who is technically correct, but can be outmaneuvered, mislynched, or susceptible to change their minds, and underestimate someone like me, who openly talks about how I easily find scum, easily convince everyone to sheep me, win the game for everyone lucky enough to play as town, and then I write an article about it to share with the fans. I frequently get PMs thanking me for these articles. I once got recognized by a girl I was talking to at a party who saw my play on the internet and made the connection from our conversation. It's freaky. Well,

I'm not someone who likes to toot my own horn.

Call me anti-town, but I'm giving scum advice about my strategy, maybe as a form of handicap to myself, so I can be more entertained, because winning too fast gets old.

You don’t feel like the town in partition.

[gobbledygook]

My town range, while not as impressive as your momma's waistline, is about as wide as the gap between 2007 and 2020. You do the math.

You take that back!!

[gobbledygook]

Be the change you want to see NPOM.

[gobbledygook]

I’m not not voting FL because of what they can do in the future, when they haven’t done anything now to deserve an extension.

So unless someone can give me a convincing case as to why they’re a villager, I’m staying out.

iamuser wagon is probably a good idea, haven’t seen them post under pressure yet.

FL would be lurking right now if scum I think.

[gobbledygook]

I can’t believe Firebringer has 167 posts. I feel like he’s taken no stances.

[gobbledygook]

{Looker, FB, Clair}
Maybe

VOTE: Looker

[gobbledygook]

I'm down to lynch any of Flair/NPOM/Looker.

Let's consolidate bandwagons now.

i've articulated reasons for NPOM. By staying on looker you are working against town by fighting the momentum of the game, Flair.

???

[gobbledygook]

I'm very sick so I will not be here much this weekend most likely

[gobbledygook]

and it is so against her normal personality.

how do you knwo this

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[gobbledygook]

Thinking about it some more, Looker had to have been some sort of PR hunt.

Which is hilarious because the wolves killed a potential ML. Does MS use SHC mechanics at all?

SHC?

[gobbledygook]

I traded midways life for not only a scum life, but the scum leader, forced to show his hand under pressure.

Midway’s life?

[gobbledygook]

Thinking about it some more, Looker had to have been some sort of PR hunt.

Which is hilarious because the wolves killed a potential ML. Does MS use SHC mechanics at all?

SHC?

Seer Hunt Clear

tl;dr If Looker presented a read that looked like a Peek/Investigation, the wolves might have killed him thinking he was a Seer. Which would mean his read was accurate as the wolves believed Looker to be real.

So we can reliably assume the player he read villager with such confidence, is in fact a villager.

But if yesterday’s gameplay was indicative of the level of mechanical nuance MS plays with, I’d imagine SHC isn’t something used here.

If Looker was informed that someone was town he would not have flipped Vanilla town.
Looker was killed by a vigilante.

[gobbledygook]

Thinking about it some more, Looker had to have been some sort of PR hunt.

Which is hilarious because the wolves killed a potential ML. Does MS use SHC mechanics at all?

SHC?

Seer Hunt Clear

tl;dr If Looker presented a read that looked like a Peek/Investigation, the wolves might have killed him thinking he was a Seer. Which would mean his read was accurate as the wolves believed Looker to be real.

So we can reliably assume the player he read villager with such confidence, is in fact a villager.

But if yesterday’s gameplay was indicative of the level of mechanical nuance MS plays with, I’d imagine SHC isn’t something used here.

If Looker was informed that someone was town he would not have flipped Vanilla town.
Looker was killed by a vigilante.

If ABR is scum, this is his partner.

Gobbledygook knows better than anyone that that was a town hammer, not a scum hammer, and he even was arguing I was town yesterday.

This is a political read.

There was literally no read stated in that post. How can a post contain a political read if there is no read to politicize?

[gobbledygook]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen FL replace out even under pressure or fighting with people.

[gobbledygook]

Oh FL reminded me. Sakura is town. I forgot to say that.

[gobbledygook]

Claire is basic. How’s that PSL?

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: ABR

[gobbledygook]

Somehow I thought this game couldn’t get any dumber.

But it just did. I am actually impressed.

Retweet.

[gobbledygook]

Flair/Blair/Clair are just voting together as a bloc without any scumhunting because they are friends outside the game. this is getting ridiculous.

REPLACE OUT

ok so i for sure thought that ABR was scum, but replacing out makes you 100% town.

gobbles must be scum

Umm no? How Do you just randomly pick my name out of a hat?

[gobbledygook]

To be fair I do not townread ABR’s replacement. I think he did it because he was upset two other townies did it and got townread.

That said we have bigger fish to fry.

[gobbledygook]

To be fair I do not townread ABR’s replacement. I think he did it because he was upset two other townies did it and got townread.

That said we have bigger fish to fry.

That’s even more gross.

Who are these bigger fish to fry? You’re suggesting ABR is a wolf, but believe there are others we should be eliminating?

It is a part of my calculus, but I would rather deal with people still in the game.

[gobbledygook]

To be fair I do not townread ABR’s replacement. I think he did it because he was upset two other townies did it and got townread.

That said we have bigger fish to fry.

That’s even more gross.

Who are these bigger fish to fry? You’re suggesting ABR is a wolf, but believe there are others we should be eliminating?

It is a part of my calculus, but I would rather deal with people still in the game.

That’s fair. Who comes to mind?

I don’t know yet. Maybe Firebringer.

[gobbledygook]

When I first saw it I presumed he was the Vigilante, but he’s also claimed Informed Townie, so that can’t be the case. Can it?

Are you talking about me? I never claimed to be an informed townie.

Also, Blair, informed townies are normal.

[gobbledygook]

I thought he was a villager the other day but his tip-toeing around each new wagon today has me a bit concerned.

What tiptoeing have I been doing? I voted both main wagons today.

[gobbledygook]

Yes that was a joke lmao

[gobbledygook]

even if Z is FL, I don’t think he’s scum

[gobbledygook]

I would never kill Looker to be honest. Looker is too low impact of a player.

[gobbledygook]

iamausername, what is your read on Blair?

[gobbledygook]

Why do you guys want to lynch me?

[gobbledygook]

This game makes relatively little sense if all the Rage Quits are town.

Blair + Fred + Sakura/Votato + FL/Zlair + NPOM/Lolcat + any individual townie means the three names left over are all scum. Which is like wild af

[gobbledygook]

From my point of view that would be Iam, Clair, and FB.

Honestly don’t hate that as a team

[gobbledygook]

Even if you don’t include NPOM and FL slots, 3 scum in 5 names from an individual townie’s point of view is pretty damn good. A mass claim might actually be in order. We should have the people in that group of 5 claim first though. If there are any PRs in there the game becomes easy mode.

[gobbledygook]

My gut says you’re town Clair but I want the rage quits to all be town. At the very least Sakura’s rq seems town.

[gobbledygook]

Why do you guys want to lynch me?

Who are "you guys"? I didn't include you in my* lynch pool for today.

* = The only one that matters

Clair and Iam.

I think Iam’s case on me is like Looney Toons level of villainy with how unaware it is of itself.

[gobbledygook]

What are you even trying to say in that post, Blair?

[gobbledygook]

The comment at the beginning of the speculation is me acknowledging the speculation’s absurdity in light of my own reads.

I mean NPOM didn’t publicly rage quit I agree. But he left the game after three people rage quit in a single day lmao. Seems like that’s related.

Sakura has rage quit like that before as town I’m pretty sure.

[gobbledygook]

you’re dumb if you don’t think NPOM randomly replaced out after 3 people did it in quick succession. That’s called inferential thinkingnnot having a red pm

[gobbledygook]

I mean I just won a game based off two townies rage quitting so this is why I’m thinking all of them were rage quits and they were all on town

[gobbledygook]

I take back my youre dumb comment. You’re not. Very clearly. I’m just tilted that I am trying to get back into this game and Regina George and her wenches are trying to kick me out

[gobbledygook]

Real talk can no one else see the ridiculousness that is Iam’s case??

[gobbledygook]

i'm on board with FB's massclaim idea personally, because i feel like i have no damn clue about this game at this point and some claims would give me something to work with.

i'm not gonna claim if other people don't agree though.

tried to reread, but there's just so much noise. let's try a raw data approach.
peak wagons of significance, starting from this votecount because fuck doing this for the whole 70 pages of D1.

Clair (5) -

ABR

, NPOM, Sakura,

Looker

, FB

ABR (4)

- Fred, gobbles, Clair, Blair

Looker (4)

-

Flair

, Blair, gobbles,

Flair

, Fred
NPOM (5) -

ABR

, Blair, Sakura, Fred, username,

ABR

Looker

(3) - Blair,

ABR

, NPOM
Clair (3) - FB, NPOM,

ABR

stanley (7)

-

ABR

, FB, NPOM, Sakura, Blair, Fred, FL

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ABR (6)

- Clair,

Flair

, Blair, votato (Sakura), gobbles, FB

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not sure what i was hoping to learn from this, but i feel like it doesn't give us all that much without knowing NPOM or Clair's alignments.

on the other hand, gobbles has been on almost every known town wagon, and i suspect the only reason gobbles wasn't on stanley is that stanley went from 0 to lynch while gobbles was offline.

and also Looker was one of the only people not treating gobbles like confirmed town for an RVS joke on D1, so a scum gobbles would explain that kill.

and, oh look, Flair started to doubt his townread on gobbles and then he turns up dead too?

VOTE: gobbledygook

My name is on two town wagons meanwhile people like Blair Fred and ABR are on arguably more town wagons or just as much as me

I think he wants an easy lynch and the next lowest post count player without much gumption or presence is that mislynch

[gobbledygook]

The nightkill analysis wasn't completely off base, though.

I never kill Looker unless I know he is a PR that could interfere with me. I’ve owned Looker scum twice. That’s why I put pressure on him early so I could try to read him

I probably kill Flair at some point though

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Iamausername


The fact that Iam doesn’t see that two confirmed townies have broken his hypothesis is scum

[gobbledygook]

I feel like Gobble might be the most optimal lynch here.

Why? And whose alt are you?

[gobbledygook]

u continuing to only come in here to respond to people thinking ur scum isn't helping me think ur town.

That’s fine. But people not familiar with me need to give actual reasons that I can address other than “kill the bird”

[gobbledygook]

u continuing to only come in here to respond to people thinking ur scum isn't helping me think ur town.

That’s fine. But people not familiar with me need to give actual reasons that I can address other than “kill the bird”

WELL I NEED U TO SCUMHUNT FOR ME TO FIGURE OUT UR ALIGNMENT!

I am scumhunting. No one going after Iam makes me think I am right about him and his buddies don’t want to add fuel to the fire.

If Logical doesn’t explain his fixation on me soon, I will be hammering him.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: gobbledygook

I’m really just starting to think my earlier hypothesis may be correct and this game is EZ mode if we think all of the ragequits are town.

[gobbledygook]

I love how the Air twins both post immediately after I post yet are not here to engage me. :think:

[gobbledygook]

I love how the Air twins both post immediately after I post yet are not here to engage me. :think:

It takes a long time to type 2416 on mobile!

That it does. You get a pass. But you’re town anyway.

[gobbledygook]

Wow. Another terrible case.

VOTE: Logical

[gobbledygook]

I would totally kill votato if I wasn’t townreading the slot due to Sakura’s ragequit.

[gobbledygook]

Another widely scumread slot, although Gobbles feels there has not been enough pressure here.

Has he been widely scumread? Literally no one is talking about him except for me and no one is pressuring him.

[gobbledygook]

I would totally kill votato if I wasn’t townreading the slot due to Sakura’s ragequit.

scumslip? you dont have kill powers do you?

The last time someone said I scumslipped (I was town) they were scum. Are you scum?

[gobbledygook]

FYI, Fred should not claim who he is going to target and no one should do anything tomorrow until the target claims they received his friendly neighbor message.

This requires the scum to devote power to deal with him (kill or roleblock).

[gobbledygook]

Fred you should target 1 of me and Firebringer.

[gobbledygook]

KK. Votato is scum.

[gobbledygook]

Wait. That wasn’t hammer.

[gobbledygook]

Votato was already voting him.

[gobbledygook]

You realize those two posts are nearly 800 posts apart and in completely different phases, yes?

It’s almost as if Logical just pulled those quotes out of air and said something about them without reading the game or trying to determine my alignment because I asked for a case.

The second part of his case makes equally as little sense.

[gobbledygook]

Votato was already voting him.

Then why did you say he was scum in your previous post?

It’s almost like there’s another post I made right before this one that shows I realized something.
Hmmm...


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Logical is either scum or a tunneling townie that is so confbiased and self preserving that he is functionally acting like scum. Let’s kick this alien off our planet.

[gobbledygook]

It’s abundantly clear that Logical is approaching his read on me with the mindset of trying to prove his read rather reading my posts and trying to determine my alignment.

Tl;dr, he’s starting with the conclusion rather than the evidence

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: votato

[gobbledygook]

Maybe we should just no lynch.

[gobbledygook]

I don’t think we should mass claim with a missing. We should no lynch.

VOTE: no lynch

[gobbledygook]

No.

[gobbledygook]

Mmmm

[gobbledygook]

No.

[gobbledygook]

Gobbles claim pl0x

We should talk more about the ramifications of mass claiming, finding the reason there was no kill, no lynching, and then subsequently losing the person who prevented the nightkill.

This isn’t rocket science, y’all.

[gobbledygook]

We are statistically more likely to hit scum if we no lynch today to reach LyLo.

[gobbledygook]

Are you guys mafia newbs?

[gobbledygook]

We are statistically more likely to hit scum if we no lynch today to reach LyLo.

I believe only if we massclaim.

Mass claim in LyLo.

[gobbledygook]

Doctor.

[gobbledygook]

I have modifiers, but I’m not going to claim those.

[gobbledygook]

I did not get visited by a friendly neighbor.

[gobbledygook]

I don’t think I ever apologized to ABR for insinuating he replaced out as scum to avoid getting boxed in

[gobbledygook]

What's your role sans modifiers?

Doctor lol

[gobbledygook]

Huzzah! I am a 2-shot Doctor and targeted Fredrick last night. Should I claim whether I have my other shot?

VOTE: gobbledygook

There is no way this can be true.

God you’re so stupid.

[gobbledygook]

Lol. Zlair IS FL and he was scum.

VOTE: Zlair

I baited him with the Doctor fakeclaim.

[gobbledygook]

I fakeclaimed to try to draw the nightkill away from the real protective.

[gobbledygook]

I really think Zlair thought they momentum was against me and tried to get the win for the scumteam in MyLo with my lynch.

[gobbledygook]

Gobbles I wasn't even talking about you.

*THREE people were lying, then...

LOL!

Tbh, I think it’s Iam. Psychologist seems useless for balance in this game.

[gobbledygook]

If you’re a vig Blair then forget everything I just said.

[gobbledygook]

Last call for someone to come forward with an explanation for the other thing that happened last night.

Not me. I stand by my story as the 100% truth. If I have been a little cagey or scummy all game, it's only because I assumed JK was too important to get killed and figured a little suspicion was a good thing.

Why did you target votato?

[gobbledygook]

Blair how are votato and fb cleared? It doesn’t sound like scum would have known your power unless Iam is scum.

[gobbledygook]

Also I am more cleared than the other liars because I am claimed a pseudo innocent on me. Get out of here with your gobbles is Le scum

[gobbledygook]

UNVOTE:

I think it’s Clair now though

[gobbledygook]

Do you still claim to have jailkeeped Fredrick last night, Clair?

Yes. This is why I made it very clear yesterday that Frederick was the optimal kill for scum, so that I could jail him and finally succeed in stopping a kill. My Jail crumbs are from Day 1, so no one can accuse me of making up this whole story within the last night.

Just because you’re a jailkeeper does not mean you are town

[gobbledygook]

Neapolitan/Jailkeeper/Psychologist/Universal Backup

That sounds like a fairly plausible setup to me, there's no way it could all be a massive scum gambit because then there would be no town PRs left. Blair and Frederick are still clear, I think, just in an unusual way. iamasureanme could still be scum because the announcing modifier would require her to have come up with a fakeclaim of some sort. But I could also believe it to be true.

So you’re saying that Zlair is scum?

[gobbledygook]

Targets?

Targets?

Gobbles?

Lol. Zlair IS FL and he was scum.

VOTE: Zlair

I baited him with the Doctor fakeclaim.

What took gobbles 12 hours to return and admit he was fakeclaiming? If he actually were, he would've said it was the case right after he heard my claim. Instead, he disappreared and only retracted the claim after he also heard Clair claim Jailkeeper, and knew there was no way his claim would be believed over mine (Jailkeeper with 2-shot doc can happen, Jailkeeper and doc is too much).

Could you address this, gobbles?

I mean I didn’t claim because I didn’t know who was targeted for the kill last night. I wanted mafia to believe my claim as much as town. If I outted the wrong person who was targeted for the kill then they know I’m lying

[gobbledygook]

Honestly with the claimed roles, it would have been highly beneficial to no lynch today as scum would have wasted a kill on a VT.

[gobbledygook]

wouldnt an ascetic modifier also imply town? seems broken to have a scum ascetic with no town killing power. and if fb!town=true, then why would FB lie and claim VT?

Hmm maybe it is fb and votato

[gobbledygook]

I said that because you’re missing the obvious benefits an ascetic mafia has in this type of setup. Namely being able to avoid a guilty from the JK and also avoid the psychologist.

[gobbledygook]

This game is hard. NRG stepped up their game with this one. I’ll need to think on this

[gobbledygook]

UNVOTE: gobbles

And why did you still think I was FL after the mod confirmed I wasn't, gobbles?

The way you claimed seemed to be very FL

[gobbledygook]

It should be Clair today because I am pseudo soft cleared by Iam. If Clair was acting every night I doubt she’s multitasking on top of it and made the kills. This means that the VTs are more likely to be killing and thus any psychologist result is more likely a true positive

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How common is having two protectives in normal games?

It’s not uncommon. Typical balance dictates that you cannot have two protectives able to infinitely protect one another (thus forming an unkillable block). So if you have two doctors you make one macho or similarly gated.
JK + Doctor inherently is “balanced” because the Jk targeting the Doctor prevents that interaction.

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How common is having two protectives in normal games?

It’s not uncommon. Typical balance dictates that you cannot have two protectives able to infinitely protect one another (thus forming an unkillable block). So if you have two doctors you make one macho or similarly gated.
JK + Doctor inherently is “balanced” because the Jk targeting the Doctor prevents that interaction.

so you've now done a complete 180 and believe zlair's claim? you seem to be scrambling and pointing fingers all over and trying to insist that you're cleared as town.

Yes. I thought this was obvious when I unvoted Zlair and said I now think it is Clair.

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Gobbles, you haven't claimed your real role yet.

I’m a VT

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“kill the bird”

Yes

See my earlier explanation to Zlair about why I waited 12 hours

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I was always trying to bait the NK. I figured when no one claimed to be visited by the FN that it was a JK so then when Zlair claimed Doctor I thought it was FL trying to go for the win

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Oh I see your confusion. I did not claim with the intent to catch a scum in a fakeclaim. I fakeclaimed to draw the nightkill.
I had figured there was a JK because no one had claimed FN (frankly I thought Fred would target me last night). That is why I didn’t claim JK. Plus JKs are more common than doctors.
When Zlair immediately counterclaimed it looked like an FL claim and so I voted Zlair because it looked scummy. Side note: I also thought it was scummy when Zlair asked if they should claim whether they have all their shots when the obvious answer is no.

My intention was always to draw the nightkill but the reactions to the claim made me think Zlair was scum

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Can you explain the 4D Chess move where you recanted your Doctor claim so that you are no longer attracting the nightkill?

I mean i retracted it because I thought you knew I was lying. Plus at that point I don’t think i was a prio target anyway.

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Still standby the fact that we should not have mass claimed today. The roles claimed only reinforce that idea.

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the reactions made you think zlair was scum and then that somehow turned into a townread by magic?

Do you like not read things in context or...?

[gobbledygook]

the reactions made you think zlair was scum and then that somehow turned into a townread by magic?

Do you like not read things in context or...?

what is this in reference to? you need to explain what you're thinking

i feel like there are some broader details from the thread that im missing here that arent included in your post.

Yes... and those details aren’t hard to find and were very recent.

I was scumreading Zlair based on reaction to my claim.
Clair claims JK that explained the missing NK
Blair then claims that she was blocked and reveals how she knows this.
At this point it looks to me like Clair blocked Blair. This is when I think Clair is scum because there is no other likely reason for Blair’s ability to fail.

We are now up to speed. This is the context you were missing.

For the record, I think Blair’s hypothesis about Clair claiming Jk on Fred thinking his claim was true is correct. This likely means that scum DID try to kill Fred last night so Clair knew to claim to “protect” him and would explain the missing FN not realizing that Blair knew she was blocked.

From this I think Zlair/Blair/Fred is town (with Iam likely town too because this all doesn’t work if Iam team knows there’s a Neap) and means Clair is scum.

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This leaves FB/Votato/Clair scum.

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You are all also discounting the fact that Iam checked me for killing and got a result that implies I’m town, while ignoring that the most likely reason Blair’s ability failed is Clair targeted her.

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Votato you’re only being townread because of Sakura’s replace out.

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Clair is scum. You’d be fools not to lynch her.

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GG, scum!

I knew votato was scum the last day I was in this game.
I still think that Zlair is FL, but I guess we will never know. That knee jerk reaction to my doctor claim looks very FL.
Also, looks like I was right that mass claim was stupid!

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also, pretty much every game i roll scum people say "you were obvscum" in postgame, yet i wasnt lynched.

I've noticed that. This is the 5th game I've played with votato where he was scum. He's won all 5.

heh i figured you were hectic. glad you could be on my team for once.

But you were obvscum
Sakura having a meta of replacing out as town took a lot of heat off you

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Oh look a trust tell.
Oh look my slot was scum.

Seriously speaking tho, it's the first time I've ever gotten so emotional as scum to ragequit like that.

You proved the point that it wasn't a bad idea to town read you for it then.

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I wish I contributed more, but I read probably about half the total game pages when I was still in this game. The way Iam and votato approached me the last day though it made me think they were scum. I only didn't gun for votato's head because of the Sakura trust tell. 9/10 times that is the correct move to make.

I would like to discuss the merits of mass claiming on MyLo as opposed to LyLo because I saw that it had absolutely no benefit for us, especially with the mafia's admission that they totally missed Blair's crumbs.

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How?
Blair dies, we kill Iam when he makes that psychologist claim.
Clair dies, it removes a mislynch from our PoE
Fred wouldn’t die unless they rolestop him which is good for us because that gets another result from Blair and reduces the PoE.

I really do not see the benefit in what town did the final day, holistically.