Because it is now my new tradition when I see you in a game to vote for you.
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Woot!!armlx wrote:Farside wins the thread for OMGUSing a random vote across games.Because it is now my new tradition when I see you in a game to vote for you. Razz
Vote The Pope's Tiarabecause we all know the pope prefers other forms of jewelery.
Yes I think we should wait for a consensus on this.Jahudo wrote:I think it's an advantage to claim in this situation. There's no night and lover's die together so an accused person's lover can strengthen or weaken investigations. Also breaks the scum up into two groups.
Shall we wait for a consensus?
I think with revealing and using pocorn we can start to ask people why they chose the people they did. Should it look suspcious. Why were some more eager then others to claim isn't something that is wrong either. Being eager to tell your lover could be because your scum who already had everything planned out for this phase.Zoolander wrote:I like how you are quick to point the finger. The only reason that I didn't reveal in the popcorn was because it wasn't suggested until after I posted (so I started it after armlx suggested it).
Though I would be very interested to hear what armlx says we can learn from it, as I don't really know what I'm looking for in any info that the order reveals.
So why did you pick Goat to go next for claim?armlx wrote:Yeah, farside pretty much answered it. Asking why someone chose that person is the real issue at hand here, especially with the ability for each person to pick either Lover A1, A2, B1, B2, etc.
Oh no's must run and hide from the big bad mean woman.Xtoxm wrote:Adel replaces Jebus.
3fj and The Pope's Tiara haven't posted for 5 days, so have recieved a prod.
I don't know if it is accurate. I don't like the idea of it at all. The fact that you are checking it is weird. I mean really you think random voting will work because why exactly?Goatrevolt wrote:What didn't you like, my actual analysis, or the idea of random voting?
I don't agree with the no mass claim and I never will. Sorry it just doesn't make sense to me for this game not to claim.Adel wrote:y'all should not have massclaimed.
fos:farside
Look I'm scum I "randomly" choose a player that is not part of my group. Oh look I have 3 other people who are part of my group who will "randomly" choose someone that is not part of our group. Oh but make sure we aren't all on the same wagon. We will use our pair lover on on vote and you guys use your lover pair on another person and we will win before you know it. BLEKGoatrevolt wrote:I mentioned why I originally checked the math in my last post. How would people be able to manipulate a randomly chosen lynch?farside22 wrote:Basically yes why would you check something based on randomness? Is that the true spirit of this game? Do you really believe those votes wouldn't be manipulated in some way?
It got quiet all the sudden. Any other comments you want to make about Goats comment Armlx?armlx wrote:This is a pretty big issue.Considering he wasn't interested in throwing his own name in the ballot, it's definitely possible I was misinterpreting him.
I asked because of the fight between Llama and OF. OF at one pointed stated he didn't know the game was nightless. I think that would have been something known by scum members during the pregame talks. I could be wrong.Jahudo wrote:Well if they didn't before then they'll know nowfarside22 wrote:Just a question for anyone and everyone. Do you think the scum know this game is nightless? I mean don't you think that would have been part of their talks before the day started?![]()
What is the advantage/disadvantage? Even without night we can reach lylo pretty quick, and without night kills to look at and try to find motives maybe we should look for a potential scum group defending or ignoring another group since one lynched scum means the other three die too.
I don't know how much opinion I can give to Llama and Opposed Force's back and forths. Maybe Llama is twisting that original post in question to get a different conclusion but I'm not sure. I gotta re-read.
I'm growing more concerned by those not posting, particularly the partner of Jebus who has had plenty reason to stay in the shadows. 3fj hasn't posted since his original random vote. Nothing game related since and definitely nothing when Jebus was being accused.
Vote: 3fj
Since you are talking about it. How many post were made between the lovers to discuss this proposal?Adel wrote:Seriously, the quicktopic chat is funny. Jebus honestly thought it was a good idea for the town to random lynch both days. He even used fractions to "prove" it.
I'm not voting for you and if Caboose was around I will tell him to unvote you.Adel wrote:give me two unvotes and five calander days, and I will do one.armlx wrote:Fine, can we all agree to not hammer until the chart is done then?
I agree with you Adel, but my problem is I'm a lone voice in this maddess.Adel wrote:With three days to go until deadline ti is looking like my odds for survival are slim.
This is a setup that sharply penalized towns that go for the lazy day 1 lynch.
I really hope that all townies give some thought to the posts I've made since the diagram I posted. The reason I kept on asking who could possibly be scum with me was because, as I see it, each other townie couple should be able to conclude that there is one and only one other couple that I could possibly be scum with. By lynching that couple, my townieness could be confirmed. I was hoping for some clear thinking and good posting by other townies, but that isn't happening. I do not like the shift from Empking to armlx, but I am supporting the armlx lynch because he is not me. Empking is not an "easy mislynch" and my opinion of his alignment is not based off of the formatt he uses to make his posts. At this point, that seems to be splitting hairs, when the majority of the town seems to be unaware that my wagon is leading to a pretty obvious mislynch.
Bussing in this game is suicide, and Empking placed me at lynch -1 withoutanyonedoing anything to defend Mana_Ku and me.
It is horribly ironic that the townies on my wagon are making the same mistake that Jebus made: not understanding the set-up.
Scum would let someone hammer their scum buddy? This late in the game with deadline? RLY?armlx wrote:One of the groups with 1 vote on Adel.I'm starting to wonder about Adel. Who do you think is there scum partners if Adel is scum?
I was also more active in the last Poly game we were in and I was scum.Adel wrote:don't buy her crap excuses.Jenethron wrote:Apologies. You are right that in order to get an effective meta, I will need to look at a game you have completed as town and scum. Give me a day or two. In one game I was reading you were distinctly more active, however. Clearly, as you state, this is insufficient.farside22 wrote:Jenethron: Do I know you from another game or something? I see you state you think I'm vocal and if you are trying to meta me. I suggest not since I play different no matter my alignment.
Meanwhile, I'm becoming increasingly more nervous about Adel's play.
farside has an average of 14 posts a day on this site since she joined mafiascum.
if you go to http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... =farside22 you can see how many posts she makes in other games in between her posts in this game.
She has made more than 75 posts since Sept. 4th.
She is lurking in this game.
Simply put I didn't agree with the Adel lynch and I had no time to read to see what was going on with the SC lynch. Also if you look at my post on Saturday I posted mostly in 2 game. One I mod and the other in a large game with a quick answer. Weekends are typically busy.Adel wrote:this pairs nicely with my point. Why hasn't farside been posting in this game since I became active in it? She has found plenty of time to post in other games... and we did have a deadline andMana_Ku wrote:Farside, at this moment that isn't the point to me. I leave this discussion to you and Adel for now. However, we all received if I'm correct that there would be in 24 hours a deadline. If you received it, then why didn't you check this game. I've been some time online and I saw you post in other games during these 24 hours. Can you explain this?three close wagons to choose between
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@armlx: I like this setup because it is an elegent puzzle where in order to catch scum you have to first figure out who can't be scum with whom and who is town. There simply isn't enough days in this game for attrition to reveal who is scum, townies have to use logic to have a chance.
Leaving you alive makes it easier for other townies to "crack" this game since it should be pretty obvious that you and I can't be scum together.
This is why I dislike meta on people. It just could be that as I am having my own problems with this game.Goatrevolt wrote:That link isn't working for me.Adel wrote:check out http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... &start=325
he has made 335 posts on mafiascum.net since his last post in this game.
he posted an incredible amount of posts (more than 50) between his last post in this game and when Empking replaced him.
I'm going to take your word for it and assume you're correct about him posting frequently in other games, though. I still don't see how that can be used to imply he's scum. Some games are simply more interesting and easier to post in than others regardless of alignment. Open 70 shows that metagaming Llama as more lurky and posting less frequently as scum is flawed.
I was thinking this myself, but leaving a scum buddy on L-1 for so long without concern about a hammer seemed farfetch.armlx wrote:I think I figured it out.
Adel knows this set up better then anyone. She would know to mention the "every other group voting them" town tell as scum. Said tell only came into effect when EmpKing voted her.....
Calling it now, Adel/Mana/Goat/Emp scum group.
Fair enough.Xtoxm wrote:This rule was instated by the mod when I played Polygamist Mafia Open 76. I shall like to instate it here also. Word for word.The next person to claim how many posts were in the QuickTopic gets modkilled. You can paraphrase what was said, but don't quote it. Claiming the exact number of posts you made is close to quoting what was said, so I'm serious about this.
How this helps:Goatrevolt wrote:I don't foresee this being a huge help in catching scum, but I don't see any actual downsides, so it's definitely worth a shot. Part of me feels that this goes against the spirit of the game, but I can save that discussion until post-game.
How do we want to handle the issue of replacements who were not actually around for the pre-game discussion? I can see pros and cons to having the replacements post the chats as well as players who have been here all game. Thoughts?
The scum need to be very creative to do this. Heck I'm even willing to go first. I think if Goat's partner doesn't show up soon Goat should just go first. I'm fine with Armlx or myself. I don't care, but give it a shot. It's better then the random lynch that Jebus was talking about yesterday.Jahudo wrote:I don't see how this helps, given anyone can fake a quick topic to fit how they played after the fact. I also feel that this is a diversion from the actual game and won't help us as much as analyzing the game posts.farside22 wrote:By having the person state what they said during the quick topics time can verify a few things and may catch scum slipping up to make something up.
Thanks mod.Xtoxm wrote:Ok, well this is the rule:
So, although the type of thing I was after is what MK said, I admit there was ambiguity, and Empking was not under the impression he was rulebreaking.Rule addition: The next person towere in the QuickTopic gets modkilled. You can paraphrase what was said, but don't quote it. Claiming the exact number of posts you made is close to quoting what was said, so I'm serious about this.claim how many posts
No more post numbering, or anything, please.
As has been said, this game deserves a proper ending.
Updating this rule on the front page again...Please don't make me modkill anyone.
Care to explain how I passed the buck because if I remember correctly Llama's replacement talked about their talks, but Goat never said a word. Someone stated I should say what me and my lover talked about and I did. I think Goat should have talked about what him and his lover talked about next, but someone wanted Caboose to go next. So explain how I passed the buck?Empking wrote:Uh I'm sorry butPairsshould claim.
Its idiotic to give 1 pair two popcorns and 1 pair no popcorns.
I know what popcorning is but what Farside did was just passing the buck.
Just read back. Goat did not claim chat talks only his partner did.farside22 wrote:I didn't see goat's claim.Empking wrote:Simple, Goat had to c;laim as soon as he was able. You choosing Goat changed nothing apart from making it so goat chose who goes next.
That's how you passed the buck.
QFT. I didn't see us as doing pair and I would like Goat to state the conversation.Mana_Ku wrote:The point is that you said thatPairsshould claim. However, you say this after Caboose and Farside have claimed. Now we go back to Goat and your accusing me and farside about strawmanning and being scum partners.
Besides, I only said that Goat hadn't claimed and that he should be next. Where is the strawman?
Just an FYI in case you don't know. If you hit profile you can see someone has been posting around and Goat is around should have posted his comments by now.Empking wrote:farside22 wrote:I didn't see goat's claim.Empking wrote:Simple, Goat had to c;laim as soon as he was able. You choosing Goat changed nothing apart from making it so goat chose who goes next.
That's how you passed the buck.This obviously suggests that Farside is saying that I said Goats claimed and you're saying Farside is right.Mana_Ku wrote:Farside is right here. Goat didn't tell anything about his chat with Llama.
Meaning goat is next to claim.
I wasn't trying to have Goat pick twice. I stated I wanted him to go next to claim. you stating I was strawman is terrible. What is the point of one person claiming if the other does not. Now that Goat has claimed I picked Armlx to claim next. Goat picked the same person it is now a non issue.Empking wrote:So isn't that her saying that I said Goat claimed?
Yes and thanks you.Goatrevolt wrote:Ah, I see. The issue was that farside wanted me to claim, then armlx.
How about this: Armlx claims next, then kloud claims to get the full lover team, and one of those 2 can pick the next claim?
See I was hoping people would only talk about what they said not what both their partners stated. That was why I only stated my conversation points.Jahudo wrote:Do you think scum did this here? What from each paraphrase looks easier/harder to the other scum lover to replicate?Empking wrote:It makes it more dificult to find scum as scum will just paraphrase their partner's fake claim.
1)
Empking talks about what only Llama wrote (good lover pair, not much to discuss, new players) (562)
Goat lists what he and Llama said and matching the key points of Emp's read (good lover pair, not much to discuss, bunch of new players). The only new thing I got from Goat is that they talked about looking for pairs not individuals. (621)
2)
Caboose talked about what he and Farside both said but it was based on memory and not looking at the conversation, apparently. (588)
Farside talked about her part only and went into more detail than Caboose. She repeated the clump/cluster idea and had a few more standard things to say (i'm for claiming, just look for scum)
3)
armix summarizes what both he and kloud said. (not much to discuss, look at vote counts) (626)
kloud basically restates the same thing (629)
4)
Jen writes what Op Force and I talked about (the open 76 game and claiming partners) (632)
I basically restated same thing (635)
And all everyone else had to do was copy and paste what their partner said and just change names. Caboose may have lost his quick topic and should PM the mod to get the link so he can verify what he said.Empking wrote:Caboose was the easiest to paraphrase because Farside jumped in before Caboose could make a proper claim.