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[NoPowerOverMe]

Do females use the term bruh? I think you just revealed your gender.

If ur gonna be transphobic then please fuck off

Wow, I didn't know that having a online neutral pronoun made you trans irl, anymore than me having a male pronoun makes me male irl. Moving on.

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It was a joke stop being uptight. Sorry if I offended anyone.

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which part of his iso?

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You know if the scum were those that were scumreading me the game would be easy peasy.
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I am town reading you Billy. Bob as well. DKK is barking up the wrong tree.

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Wanting to be a town leader doesn't make you a good townleader. At some point if you are getting a lot of pushback on it you should take a more collaborative approach in my opinion.

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I've said that I prefer the Test wagon to the Snow/Bob wagon and that still holds true. Bob had the unfortunate task of replacing into a slot that had just been wagoned and I think he has done fine so far. I would prefer not to lynch him but he is on the edge of my acceptable lynches.

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I'm saying that DKK seems more interested in being influencial than finding scum.

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I agree with you. I just don't see that in DKK's play.

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Hint: It's not all about you.

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Why does flipping Bob help us more than test?

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Okay, so why is test better than bob?

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I agree that the snow wagon built up really fast and with poor logic.

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I'm not that concerned with being scumread. I'm more interested in making sure we get the right lynch.

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ppl obsessed with "logic" flip scum 4/5 times

Online Mafia has the potential for more strategy and subtlety because it removes most of the possibility for cheating and provides players with a chance to form suspicion based on

logic and voting patterns

instead of facial expression.

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That worries me honestly.

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So what about D2 when people start to analyze wagons?

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Okay, so why is test better than bob?

Of test and Bob, who do you prefer eliminating?

Test. But Bob would be accceptable.

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That's a fair point actually.

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VOTE: VP Baltar

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Do something useful and join the wagon.

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The VP wagon. Unless you think VP pocketing you is town.

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How is VT a panic claim?

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Can I vote both Test and VP at the same time?

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If scum "nearly always claim PR day one" then isn't the correct scum claim to claim VT?

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WIFOM headache.

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Why would you want to flip town?

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What percentage does bob flip scum in your opinioin?

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Is the 90% based on something that hasn't been discussed yet because I'm not seeing that high of a confidence in anyone else besides you.

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I'm fine with either baltar or janko. Test or DKK would be my third choice but I'm not confident in those.

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VOTE: janko

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@Andres should I take DKK's softclaim at face value or do you think there's a chance they're bad town or scum?

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my gut says bob is town but I'm starting to think association-wise Bob might be the best lynch.

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screw it flipping bob will get me a better read on DKK and that's more important in the long run.

VOTE: bob

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It shouldn't be about who your first and second choices are, at least at this point, it needs to be about what's going to get town to where it needs to be at this point. DKK is the most likely town at this point what point is there to going against their elimination choice?

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There are good reasons for both wagons but Bob is the better wagon. If bob is scum than we can trust DKK's softclaim.

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doc on me pls esp if it flips red

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you don't waste a doc on a non PR. If you think they are asking that then they are not good town.

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we can always get Janko tmw right?

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I promise you if you die I will yell to the rooftops that janko needs to be eliminated.

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Obviously there is support for a Janko d2 lynch based on the current wagon unless something happens tonight.

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that's good logic.

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I don't think the odds of you being nk are as high as you do.

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I don't mind waiting if people have something to say.

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It shouldn't be about who your first and second choices are, at least at this point, it needs to be about what's going to get town to where it needs to be at this point. DKK is the most likely town at this point what point is there to going against their elimination choice?

Koba is the most vocal. Why the hell does that make them the most likely town?

I don't mind waiting if people have something to say.

Cause I don't think they would ask for protection if they didn't have a good reason for it.

@NPOM - I want thoughts from you and not where you try and push off the blame on Koba. Who is the better elimination and why? You've voted both these wagons today and kinda late, so you need to weigh in here.

I'm not pushing blame. Bob is the better lynch at this point cause a red flip puts town in a very good position with regards to DKK if we can protect them at least. I don't think scum!DKK tries to bus scum!bob at this point.

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I probably don't trust dkk and the first few votes on the wagon as much.

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A lot of people seem pretty sure about Bob not just one, so there are just more associatives overall.

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Janko seems driven by less people so we get less associatives.

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That doesn't mean the pushes are equal

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You're taking a very literalist definition of wagon analyzing.

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Wait for it.

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Most likely town = townread

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Are you drinking again?

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It's always 5pm somewhere.

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I really want to run a 100 player game sometime

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Dkk switching to janko after it was said they'll look less town if Bob flips green doesn't look great on dkk.

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You just ith jango and you're somehow pushing my wagon?

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I've never heard a girl say bruh but I understand the error of my ways.

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Got it. People use false genders all the time on this site though I was not trying to be personal or tramsphobic.

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I avoid Twitter at all costs.

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Everyone thinks they are getting nkd. Lol.

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Unless scum wants to wifom.

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So Bob was obviously the right wagon. I don't see 13 players all being wrong.


VOTE: Bob

[NoPowerOverMe]

Fair point. But I still don't see it.

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Bob wagon was town driven, especially if janko wagon was scum driven

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Yep that was before townjanko.

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I think the odds are good that Bob is scum and if that is true almost assuredly vp is town.

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Yep

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I'd have to think about that.

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It would kind of be hard to say since both wagons would be town and everyone would be on both wagons

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If I had to choose I would say those on the end of the wagons

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Are scum

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Town could always be wrong I just don't see it this time and test could be scum too

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If anything I'm towny. This is just confbias.

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That's all you have to say Bob?

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Enjoy your dinner

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Like you would say if it was scum you. You seem pretty scummy to me. What the difference between scum you and town you.

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I never said or implied all scum were on janko wagon. I said it was probably scum driven.

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You and test are scum IMHO. Not sure on 3rd maybe alduskell or Billy.

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I never said or implied all scum were on janko wagon. I said it was probably scum driven.

Ok its pretty obvious that Datisi drove that wagon. So you think Datisi is scum?

Scummier. But there are more candidates than clears at this point.

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Survivalist scum.

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I don't think the wagon was entirely ai. You are making it a black and white thing.

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You were scum in the last game and you were in ello. So you are sounding desperate.

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No it means it was ai for one or two players.

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I never said or implied all scum were on janko wagon. I said it was probably scum driven.

I want you to compare this comment to your reading of who was scum. Literally both your pools have all the scum on the bob wagon. Also, what in the world is the motivation for a scum v scum wagon and counterwagon situation?

How would I know the motivation. I'm not scum

[NoPowerOverMe]

I was looking mostly at behavior. I guess I should look at the wagon closer.

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I literally said I don't think scum was all on janko.

It's a pretty confusing situation in general. Pretty much no reads are hard.

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Bob and test both had major wagons and both were on the janko wagon. What do we make of this?

I was voting Bob from an associative standpoint yesterday but him giving his vote to Billy when he is enemy #1 looks very bad IMHO.

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I've never said you were my top scum Billy and enemy #1 is from The Will Of The Town standpoint.

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Flipping Bob says a lot about the Billy slot and Baltar slot.

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I've always thought you(Billy) were town until you aligned yourself with Bob.

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can you actually say what that "a lot" is?

If Bob is scum. Billy is scum and Baltar town. If Bob town vice versa.

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That's not what I said.

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So you're saying the proxy is a town slip? Or a Gambit?

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Bob says this is his "town game". Proxying when under pressure seems pretty anti town

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That we could be both town and to stop wasting town equity on our little quibble. Also to vote Bob.

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Odds of two people visiting VP night one are pretty low I would say. So I'm willing to bet that VP did, in fact visit GB. VP has always been high on my red list so.

VOTE: VP Baltar

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From what I can tell, Datisi claimed tracker on VP Baltar to GB, and then VP Baltar claimed PT Cop to GB.

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No, I meant what I said. I don't get what's weird about it.

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I didn't see the neighborizor claim. I've been offline for a few hours.

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The fact is that GB is dead and VP is not denying visiting him.

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What are the odds that both VP and someone else chose to target GB last night?

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Fine. Who is scum then?

unvote

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Okay, I think Andres is pretty high on my green list, so:

VOTE: Bob

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Why not bob? He's not that cute.

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DKK doesn't want to vote anyone unless they are leading the wagon.

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If VP flips scum then Datisi is probably scum. If VP flips town then Datisi is probably town.

So D2 flip Bob, D3 flip VP, D4 flip Tatisi if scum VP.

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If VP flips scum then Datisi is probably scum.

i sometimes really struggle in figuring out how your thought process works.

Because you are defending VP. More likely that happens if you are his scum partner than town.

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Then why is Datisi saying not to lynch VP?

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And if you believe that I have a bridge in China i want to sell you..l

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unvote

Looks like scum theater to me.

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VOTE: hellbrooks

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idk why. Maybe he didn't think it through.

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All I know is I don't trust them and maybe my Bob read was wrong.

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Let's not be OMGUSy or anything.

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I clearly said I didn't trust Datisi, then he voted me immediately after.

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I can't kill off anyone by myself.

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And if Datisi thinks things through, why did they get janko lynched and now they are aligning themselves with someone they have a guilty on?

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Why is it transparently town?

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Whatever. I don't really buy what Datisi is selling, but no one is listening.

VOTE: Bob

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I didn't trust VP day 1 after the initial snow wagon and I don't trust Datasi after getting Janko lynched. Their PR's make them a little more believable but not entirely.

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@bob can you quote the fake claim pls?

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That's because bob is not worth getting lynched over.

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He's probably going to get lynched with or without me tbh. Why fight it?

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Testarossa T
DkKoba T
Datisi S
Alduskkel T
bob3141 T
Iconeum T
VP Baltar S
Andresvmb T
NoPowerOverMe T
hellbooks N
Billy Pilgrim N

T-Town
S-Scum
N-Null

[NoPowerOverMe]

Beware of greeks bearing gifts.

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I'm aware i'm voting for my townread. It's called Will Of The Town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Posted my mafia record to my sig. Will probably update my wiki later.

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It means everything, what are you talking about?

Actually I just posted that to see if it actually shows up because sigs don't work retroactively.

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Don't really have anything to say. No one is going to push my scumreads so my vote is where it should be.

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Wouldn't that be Dangry?

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DKK you need some treatment I think.

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Death tunneling is not getting you anywhere.

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I'm townreading you. Why wouldn't you want me in lylo? The only reason you'd have to be worried is if there was someone that was townier than you which isn't too likely.

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And this isn't the time to policy lynch. We need a scum lynch today.

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I'm all for a Datisi or Baltar wagon. It's just not going to happen. Bob isn't a policy lynch, a lot of people think he's scum. I just don't happen to.

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Call me erratic if you will, but by any logical analysis I'm one of the townier players in the game. Billy has pressured almost no one but me the who game and Datasi is clearly OMGUSing me after leading a town lynch yesterday. My wagon is scum driven.

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Maybe Test is scum after all?

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I am paranoid because in my last game there was a fake PR claim that won as scum. Which was Bob btw. It's possible both PR's could be the truth, I guess.

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Call me erratic if you will, but by any logical analysis I'm one of the townier players in the game. Billy has pressured almost no one but me the who game and Datasi is clearly OMGUSing me after leading a town lynch yesterday. My wagon is scum driven.

I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but even though I’m somewhat defending you here, you are NOT one of the townier players in the game. Please.

I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth but it looks like you're trying to keep me alive to lynch me later on. If you think I'm scum why not say so?

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Andres' instistance on getting Bob lynched is looking kinda scummy.

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Bob = Town

DDK = Town

Datisi = ProbTown

VPBaltar = ProbTown

That leaves Icon, Hell, Test, Billy, Andres, and Aldus

Icon has been pretty townie throughout.

Willing to see where the Aldus wagon goes.

VOTE: Alduskkel

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Of course suspecting you is nonsense.

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Bob is more likely town than Aldus in my worldview.

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I'd feel pretty good about an aldus scumflip. Don't know what u are smoking but I want some.

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VOTE: Bob

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Just putting it where it was before

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E1 I think

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Not sure why Aldus would assume that.

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Could also be a tracker who can only track Mason's.

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Nothing precludes Mason's from having other powers afaik.

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See?

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But it could have been something else

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Andres wanted on dead the most. No was town. Let's elim Andres.

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Bob

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How dare we accuse Andres.

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This looks like TvS or TvT not SvS. I'm inclined to think TvS and I'm leaning scum!Andres but I'm unsure based on two town lynches.

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I can't decide between Andres and inoc

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Now is not the time to be lynching people you have a personality conflicts with.
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I think reviewers and players have a different idea on what makes a game balanced. That WIFOM is not helpful for finding scum.

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Part of me says VP has acted consistantly scummy and wants to lynch him. Another part of me says we don't want to lose a town PR on a hunch.

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It's part of my charm.

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Maybe his agenda is finding scum.

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Well your push on Bob looks bad.

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You were the hardest pusher of Bob.

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You were the hardest pusher of Bob.

This is false. D2 I might have been loud about it absolutely. But overall? No. Just re-read the damn game.

Stop trying to absolve yourself of responsibility.

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You were the main pusher. You and VP maybe but he came in at the last minute. If anyone agrees with you on this I'd like them to speak up.

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You were the main pusher. You and VP maybe but he came in at the last minute. If anyone agrees with you on this I'd like them to speak up.

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Sorry I just don't see town!Andres here. Town don't shift blame to their townbuddies when they are wrong.

VOTE: Andresvmb

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Attacking the attacker.

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Andres is sounding desperate now.

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I haven't heard one person agree with you.

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I don't see people lining up to say I'm wrong.

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Not PR.

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I am pretty confident on Andres/Icon. Icon can't just post a POE and say that makes him innocent.

Not sure on the third scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

No, you're scum because

Not Aldus(because Andres is scum and I see them as TvS)
Andres scum(see Above)
Billy flipped town
bob flipped town
Datisi looks pretty much confirmed town
DKK is playing pretty townie
George flipped town
hellbrooks could maybe be the third scum
Icon as I said you look scummier than DKK
janko flipped town
Test could be the third scum
VP is almost confirmed town

[NoPowerOverMe]

also npow, can you just quickly post what made you go from townreading me to scumreading me again right there?

i can give u a possible answer: they need to expand the scumpool to win

What does this even mean?

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I wasn't really expecting to be alive at this point. I'm just calling it as I see it.

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he said hellbooks could be third scum when they are conf mason

Must have missed that. Are they actually confirmed?

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Fairly? I'm not saying I've read every post.

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Okay, so Andres/Icon/Test is the solve?

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You make as much sense as anyone. Every solve has some holes.

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why not aldu?

Andres vs. Aldu is SvT in my opinion and I would place bets on scum!Andres before scum!Aldu

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I wasn't really expecting to be alive at this point. I'm just calling it as I see it.

wdym? you figure scum would have killed you by now?

I figured I'd be lynched by now. I've been lynched as town before.

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I think DKK is right we need to lynch in Andres/Aldus.

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It just means we are dealing with some savvy scum players which reinforces scum!andres

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I agree with you for the most part except I don't think Test is optimal elim for today.

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I feel pretty certain there is scum in Andres Aldus. Somewhat less sure about you.

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No, you're scum because

Not Aldus(because Andres is scum and I see them as TvS)
Andres scum(see Above)
Billy flipped town
bob flipped town
Datisi looks pretty much confirmed town
DKK is playing pretty townie
George flipped town
hellbrooks could maybe be the third scum
Icon as I said you look scummier than DKK
janko flipped town
Test could be the third scum
VP is almost confirmed town

Read list already given

[NoPowerOverMe]

Obv hell is town

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At this point, yes. For reasons previously stated.

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Maybe you should stop being scummy.

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He thinks it's more important to stay alive than eliminate scum.

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The way I see it Andres and Test have about two of the least amount of Towncred in the game and they are trying to push for me elim so what does that tell you?

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Except that you're scum more than likely.

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Which means other than you there are two other scum.

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And if Andres is scum which looks pretty reasonable then only one other scum.

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Then last scum is in DKK/Aldus/Icon/ from least likely to most likely.

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Your reasoning makes no sense.

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That's assuming there's not a consolidation.