Mini Normal 2160 | FIA Group B | Endgame

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VOTE: SS

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I assume youre asking about my main
I dont know you well

Jesus fuck you people can post

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VOTE: SS

alright let's do this shit

Nepenthes, why did you pick SS over sausage / nor / me?

Why would I throw my weight in with RVS votes

SS was/is objectively scummiest

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there's pressuring slots who need pressure which is good and fun and a great time

and then there is pressuring slots who don't need pressure for lazy meme reasons which is very unlikely to actually solve them

what the fuck are you talking about

No no listen to the duck

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I'm still pretty excited to hear from you re. SS when you have a minute pls

Dont get your hopes up but hes caught scum
No RVS on page 1
Says lol to my very real 100% genuine scumread
Agenda posting

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Liliths also scummy

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VOTE: nepenthes changed my mind lavar can live for the next 8 minutes >:C

Tw are you mafia

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Lavar is like
chaining confusing votes without contributing

I voted Something_Smart and lilith2013 as joke. I did not like how innocentvillager kept on joking even when pressured by Saudade, so I decided to vote him.

Lavars town thats 1

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telling someone x person is scummy without explaining your thought process is useless

and ironically scummy

Whats useless to you isnt useless to me

Im not MariaR and im not taking guesses

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VOTE: nepenthes changed my mind lavar can live for the next 8 minutes >:C

Tw are you mafia

irl yes
sadly you've rolled scum without me in mini normal 2160

Lets hear why

SS its more likely town than scum bc of Lavars random votes
The margin for error is high here sure

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I know you aren't, even she wouldn't try to say that I was scummy for not RVS'ing.

The fact that you think that was a serious read is an actual red flag

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It doesn't matter whether it was serious. It indicates that you don't know me well enough to know that I almost never RVS.

The point isnt that you dont RVS
Whether someone does or not isnt AI to begin with

But that explains your reaction

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I know you aren't, even she wouldn't try to say that I was scummy for not RVS'ing.

The fact that you think that was a serious read is an actual red flag

the fact you think we should write anything off as absolutely 0% serious is a red flag

Did you think i was being genuine yes or no

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do i think you think you caught scum!ss on page 1? naaaah
do i think you think it was a good idea to vote ss? yeeees at some level

i don't think we should be like, blasting you into orbit based on that vote, no, but i think the fact you don't feel like you should be accountable for.. things you are doing in a game in which we need to discern information about you.. is like... ????

Did I say you werent allowed to question me tw
Thats kinda the point
But if you thought I was trying to make a serious case on SS based on that then that tells me something about your approach to the game

Though tbh i wasnt expecting the crazy activity here

Scratch that its just spam please stop

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I feel like ive played with lilith before even though im really sure ive never played with lilith before

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Saudades an actual townread watch and marvel as i dont explain why

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Saudades an actual townread watch and marvel as i dont explain why

why wouldnt you want to explain your townreads to everyone else?

Bc its funny that people get so mad about it

But no not really I explain things when it feels relevant to and this early theres nothing im attached enough to to properly argue for

Imo tws scumread of me is weird bc he didnt think i was being serious or that i actually thought i had a case but he eagerly waited until my obvjoke explanation (i dont care if some players read it seriously this is abt tw and he knew i didnt mean it) to vote me

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Liliths also scummy

please do tell, o master of scumhunting

I cant tell if youre kidding or if i actually managed to tick you off with my ego persona an hour into the game

But i take it back i predict you will obvtown within the day

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hurr durr its funny when i annoy people

Okay i get my tone can be hard to read but i answered you seriously literally the line after that

Lilith come back and play mafia when you arent trying to catch your train home

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1) how do you know that duck knew you weren’t being serious
2) it’s really fucking annoying when you throw out scumreads and don’t explain them

1) This is a fair question but also you can look to his reply to me where he says as much
2) I guess so but would you believe me when i say im not actually trying to be uncooperative and this is how i hunt
Im sorry its annoying but i standby it gave me a better read on you saudade and tw

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why did you claim that you've no interest in explaining your reads only to go on and explain your read on theworst in the same post

I didnt say i have no interest i said i explain when it feels right to
It felt right to

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pedit: that's my current feel; lilith is like somewhere in the null spectrum trending upwards but i feel like i'll have a better read before d1 is over

Do you know why that is

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No matter what you think of me or my playstyle at least im not zombie

Also congrats

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Youd better not be talking about me

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I'm talking about you IV and zombie so far

I just figured out youve been talking abt Four this whole time

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I'm talking about you IV and zombie so far

I just figured out youve been talking abt Four this whole time

no im talking about innoncentvillager
iv

Oh my fucking god you have

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Classic

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Classic

can I give this post a thumbs down

Hmmm
Ill allow it

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K i gotta say that was a slick reply i was expecting jokes

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One time i was scum while in a hotel for two weeks and i spent 5 bucks an hour to post regularly
This doesnt take away from lilith being town i just wanted to brag about my awful spending

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Ok. I find it very difficult to admit when I’m wrong.

Una, I apologize for mistaking your intentions and blowing things out of proportion. I’m willing to call a truce and wipe the slate clean and pretend that we have never posted about each other until now. If you can muster it, I would also like an apology for inadvertently hurting my feelings.

+ respect for lilith

I wont be here much today but do your best to get to page 40 before tomorrow im sure something good will happen

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Its a dig at the fast pace of gamestart

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No i like them
More than slow games
Wbu

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Saudade/lilith/lavar town
Tw maybe scum

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If Lavars an alt and not that new its closer to null but the tr is for being aggro in general and indignant about his RVS vote
Imo following two naked votes so early is also a towntell

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Constable Nepenthes
A similar soul to my own. The way she goes about her job is, in my eyes, reminiscent of my own style. Others may find it unorthodox, but it worked for me and it’ll work for her. Fine example of the force.

Okay zombie can stay
What about iv is a problem for you
Also bc i apparently cant figure out letters who is El

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can you like.....throw me a couple of quotes which illustrate an increase in frustration for something which is not directly a misunderstanding from that exchange?

Tws taken this no duh.... approach with me earlier and i dont like seeing it again
It makes it sound like hes good faith questioning but it frames who hes speaking to as obviously wrong from the beginning

Reading an argument like that as tvt is common as hell whether or not its right but tw goes straight for the tmi read where id expect a more honest exploration of thought process
Idr if tw was already scumreading norway

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Idk if thats in response to me or not
The rest of the exchange is not as bad ill focus on somebody else and come back

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Lmao refusing to cooperate

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Nep, what’s your thoughts on InnocentVillager?

I like the guy seems fun
Imo the movement around iv is more ai so far than ivs actual posts

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The way I play, every person is a scum suspect until they clear as town. However, I feel as if there is some good bets for scum in Nep, BillyPilgrim and Norway so far, and one super secret read which I need more time to be sure of.

I am much more confident in my town block than anything else, tough.

VOTE: Four

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Actually no that was all bull i dont like four but hes probtown

VOTE: innocentvillager
569 is preemptively self conscious and hes being appeasing to four

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Actually no that was all bull i dont like four but hes probtown

VOTE: innocentvillager
569 is preemptively self conscious and hes being appeasing to four

so explaining myself is scummy and so is trying to understand his thoughts is also scum...?

Yes how does that make you feel

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If you do not understand it, I believe the issue may be on the side of the reader, rather than the side of the author.

This doesnt accomplish anything besides insulting the intelligence of the players trying to talk to you

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Lilith i want to buddy you now how do i do that

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I think I’m at

Lavar, saudade, Four, worsty, Norway

for my townreads, Lavar being the strogest

why do you tr saudade and tw

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you know duck didn’t call it a tmi read, right? I think he just said that it was NAI and he had decent reasoning for it (and personally I’m inclined to agree with said reasons)

Yeah i reread it was SS
I was missing context

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Lilith i want to buddy you now how do i do that

1) why
2) sorry it’s a secret

I like your style

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I can’t find it now (can someone please help me find this) but someone said that it seemed like lavar was pocketing foureyes, and I actually think foureyes has been buddying lavar for a while now

Maybe they’re just scumbuddies?

+1 but I didnt see that.

What are you plus oneing if you didnt see it

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consider me irl pocketed (˶◕‿◕˶✿)

I care about this more than the game

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@osuka

you have 3 votes on iv but have the total at 4

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Actually no that was all bull i dont like four but hes probtown

VOTE: innocentvillager
569 is preemptively self conscious and hes being appeasing to four

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How dare you vote me without explaining why way to not cooperate

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can we do something about that

What is there to do he posts or he flakes

Whats your read on iv

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in general I feel like his posts have been more geared towards seeming like he's sorting people than actually attempting to sort people. The questions he asked me were very.... like I'm not actually sure how my answers were going to help him sort me, it looked like he asked me questions just to look like he was doing things. He also questioned both sides of the wagon (ie both lavar and me) in the same kind of way. And when I asked how my response helped him sort me, he basically just said my response was good. I think also the early townread on me feels kind of buddying-adjacent, and so does the townread on Norweeeeeej

This applies to iv too imo like even on this page
Somebody hated the poker post from billy but i kindve liked it it is a fucking weird post but in an i want to be heard kinda way

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Uhhh i meant last page

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Lmfao i hate you

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26 pages in time to get settled in already daddy

I hate you more now

Lilith would you vote iv

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You disappoint me tw

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I was +1 that it felt like foureyes was buddying lavar. I didn't see the comment that lavar was pocketing foureyes.

Whend you go from lavar scumread to thinking four was buddying lavar

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Nobody i misread norways post voting you thought it was related
Still like the post though

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There's 13 players in this list. Lavar is playing strange, defensive, and in ways that don't make sense to me. On top of that you have these bizarre statements from four which basically amounts to hes town because i said so. So maybe its buddying maybe they're both scum.

Yeah its bizarre but staking so much on someone being town while refusing to elaborate is a weird buddying tactic
But it fits with the condescending tr i have on four

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Goodmorning to everyone in thread except tw
Norwee why is billy thinking you were defending him scummy to you

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y'all can literally do what you like, if I'm right on Nep she's going to get easier to catch not harder without me pushing half assed scumcase which isn't gonna happen because
1) I can't be bothered casing
2) it's too early for me to have a developed enough read on Nep that I expect people to have nuanced/meaningful opinions on my stance on Nep

This is disappointing ngl
Doesnt feel like youve given any thought to me being town bc you didnt like how i play rvs
Is this scum you or is town tw just being lazy

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irl things; I've been Going for like 10 hours after a late night and my social capital is pretty spent.

Go to bed

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Goodmorning to everyone in thread except tw
Norwee why is billy thinking you were defending him scummy to you

It reads like he tried to make a lazy shade and it was so unnatural and awkward i could see dcum doing something like that. And also i don’t really TR them so a wagon there is good imo.

Eh maybe
BilPils been snapping at everything this game

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Tw are you saying your actual posts arent meant to be read for ai content and that lilith should be asking other players if she wants to read you
Actually hold on i have a choice quote

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i don't think we should be like, blasting you into orbit based on that vote, no, but i think the fact you don't feel like you should be accountable for.. things you are doing in a game in which we need to discern information about you.. is like... ????

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I wasnt trying to belittle you im sorry

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I am frustrated if youre town bc it looks like youve decided im scum but are both uninterested in pushing it or even talking about it so from my pov youre never going to fix the read

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I am frustrated if youre town bc it looks like youve decided im scum but are both uninterested in pushing it or even talking about it so from my pov youre never going to fix the read

Ask me why this is you scum claiming after the game

Ask me why you never got me elimmed

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sorry I don’t think I’ve ever felt so bad and useless in a plist :/ I think you guys are too good for me or I’m just terrible

maybe I should stick to newbie games

Youre not useless
Calling a player you dont know how to read a clown or unreadable is a failing on them imo

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I don't think I'm in a headspace to revisit you and come out with an accurate read so I'm gonna stick to following my gut for now

k

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I like to think of mafia as elaborate roleplay at all times

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lilith you are fine imo
Norwee that was me saying i dont think iv is unreadable and hes been playing so its unfair to call him useless or whatever
But Saudade got him to towntell so good job but i still dont like you

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Duck do you want me to make you tingle in a different place?

Im going to kill you im going to kill you

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It wasnt at anyone in particular

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I didnt have a good read on iv when norwee asked but there were a lot of opinions on him that seemed interesting off the top of my head like norwee and Four
I had a suspicion iv was lynchbait but then i got a four tr and iv pinged

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Idk how to say this without sounding insulting bc people seem to get offended when i claim town likes being condescending and self righteous more than scum

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Nep would definitely enjoy my scum game

Probably i would like scum you more than i like town you

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Oh ya
UNVOTE:
Bbl

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I think I'm talking myself into townreading this so I'm dropping it for the jury to review.

Lavar actually reads like he cares about the way people are interacting with Nep's slot. His confusion at people lazily scumreading her for no reason is kinda cool in like a really finite vacuum but also

- scum!Lamar with scum!Nep who is picking up heat from sausage who Lamar is ?trying to pocket?/?townbinning to avoid? probably doesn't try to contradict sausage's read on her and if he does decide to I think it's pretty hard to have such a believable approach to contradicting it

- scum!Lamar with town!Nep probably just doesn't bother contradicting his strongest townread (who is the most assertive player on the plist) pushing a townie for kinda funky reasons

this kind of approach doesn't feel like it's coming from a scum mindset. someone please talk me down from this

Lavar and iv both towntold in how they responded to scumreads on me from saudade and you
Iv moreso but i tr lavar too

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Im watching the phineas and ferb movie loser

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Feels like this game isnt gonna progress well w me unflipped and saudade tunneled
Norwees vote looks like the scum one though
VOTE: Norwee

Saudade might be deepwolfing while trying to discredit himself early but im not willing to jump down that rabbit hole 10 to 1 hes just town

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I eased on iv but stay on him hes only town if he can maintain that

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Hey Billy, i dont think youve given a stance on me yet. Nows the time

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The worst / Sausage obvtown.
Innocent Villager / Lilith / Lavarmanos / Zombie apocalypse town
Foureyed / Una null
Billy / Nepenthes / S_S PoE
Sirius trash

this isnt how you poe
Four and Una are null and therefore should be in your poe
smh

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Ergo, if it needs to be explained, which it does, then he isn't obvtown.

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Norwee thats not poe thats just having players youd vote

PoE means you carefully cultivate your townreads and then elim outside of that
If you wont vote them they arent null

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Nepenthes how are you feeling

Smug

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I’d vote S_S / Nep / Billy as of right now.
But not Una / Four

That’s my definition of PoE.

Its not AI lilith

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Wanna say something that matters now?

Keep piggybacking lmao

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I like having fun

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I wrote my post and thought the very same as Lillith was writing it.
Was this your great gotcha moment Nep?

Hahaha
Thats too lame to be a gotcha

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Lilith idk about a wagon being lukewarm as evidence for the target being scum
Like you have my wagon which saudade has been pushing since gamestart but it doesnt have a lot of support

Billys points look like a way of solving thats dif from yours rn

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This is weird logic i don’t get, but it shows an independent mindset made without an visible agenda.
So very ++town post.

This is meaningless its so vague
Why dont you try to understand the logic of the post

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I was independently scumreading him before that.

also perhaps both of you are scum

Okay but my own take on the situation isnt going to include hypothetical scum me scenarios

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840 is technically game advancing so

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Town are SS, Saudade, lilith, iv (conditional needs more goodposting)
Leantown are Lavar and Four but this tiers kinda meaningless

tw goes in the corner and the rest id vote
Billy idk. i wish i thought he was scum

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Norwee is scum

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Tbh im gonna hate however i explain it lilith
Didnt really have a read until I ISOed just now but it fits w scum norwee
Also SS's townlist is legit

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Post is 1092
The more i read ss the more convinced i am hes town

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Hey Saudade spam isnt gonna help fix the problem of players feeling overwhelmed by the pagecount

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Not to dodge your question though i will repeat again, she exhibits unwillingness to cooperate, unlike lilith or tw or billy or even iv

Who havent i been cooperating with

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She's an easy text book scum mafia player, now you are all fairly not very good at this game so you dont see it, and thats okay.

Those players you have such a dim view of have a better read on me probably because their heads arent all the way up their own ass

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Not to dodge your question though i will repeat again, she exhibits unwillingness to cooperate, unlike lilith or tw or billy or even iv

Who havent i been cooperating with

Me

Thank god

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God i really hate you for this. I had to multitasking on my phone while I'm waiting for my kid to sleep. So thanks.

No one is forcing you to play mafia or answer immediately so this is kindve shitty to blame lilith for if youre serious

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Saudade, can you talk to me about your read here? You seem to be pretty convinced, but I havent see much from you in terms of why.

He has already been asked this question multiple times. Once again, I don't really think you care about the answer and you are just trying to look like a town.

Saudade answered though

Agree w SS i like billy

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Also, you did a quick turnaround on Foureyed? Why? I mean that post where you voted him pinged me, but you and I disagree on that attitude being a scumtell vs. towntell, so why'd that jump out at you.

I dont remember why i voted him
But i changed my mind bc it looked like he wasnt bullshitting
Ftr the self righteousness tell isnt blanket and i wouldnt apply it that way
Imo its more accurate the more you get to know a player

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I feel really bad for you nep, dont hate me

I think you need to reconsider how you treat people when you play games like this
Like i know youre just putting on the asshole persona so i dont care but this isnt a reality tv show you dont need to pretend to be a cartoon villain

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God i really hate you for this. I had to multitasking on my phone while I'm waiting for my kid to sleep. So thanks.

No one is forcing you to play mafia or answer immediately so this is kindve shitty to blame lilith for if youre serious

See i meant that to come off more lighthearted jokingly, but failed. Sorry if I offended you Lillith. I did hate multitabbing it though.

Cool to clarify

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Also billy you asked abt my lilith sr
It was a gutping early
Imo shes locktown now

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271 posts
270 posts with no intelligent thought

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Also half of my ss townread was lilith townreading him
The other half is my own read

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The 1 good post was saying norwee was scum btw

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Also half of my ss townread was lilith townreading him
The other half is my own read

don't worry, ss is town.

I know thats why hes in my townpile

Lilith idk if he was serious

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Ive had enough of the taunting just sr me seriously or dont post

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I meant it when i said i cared more about buddying you than this game bc its unfun to be taunted for 90% of it
Though that is mostly the fault of saudade spamming
Lilith also has too many posts but the ratio of game content to fluff is not comparable to him

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i haven't come up with a reason to scumread her yet haha please help my mask is slipping

Im assuming youve been moving forward on gut
What do you think of Norwee
His ISO was a lot less good than i remembered and all of his votes have been pretty frail

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Its fine i also have a spam problem
but like look at saudades iso and how much of it is not solving just noise
Its esp annoying because he obviously cares about the low contribution slots but he doesnt seem to care that this game is prohibitively massive and hard to catch up in in large part bc of him

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how do you feel about innocentvillager, saudade, NorwegianboyEE & Lilith ottoyh?

lean town after the stuff about not fitting in
hardest townread. Don't think there would be much disagreement here, so yeah.
I haven't noticed much of his posts, so I guess that means null scum.
she is tryharding so I would need to read her posts more carefully to get a read. I'll say lean town for now though.

This post and its timing are still good

I could be wrong on Billy bc i dont disagree with liliths points but i also with no meta think billy has one of Those playstyles thats going to get scumread bc of a tendency to see both sides of an argument and fencesit

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demoting norwee from town to null

Is this cus you think i scumread Ducky.
Because i don’t scumread Ducky.

Noticed this from the same page
Norwee scared of getting on saudades shitlist perhaps

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was also trying to bait his lavar's sausage read and i don't think they noticed at all which is solving mindset indicative

What bait do you mean

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Wh
What does
What do you mean by baller

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Also also, the conclusion I came to on lavar/foureyes is that they’re both town.

more confident on lavar but agree

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I don’t think innocentvillager would say that as scum. Seems a little dirty.
I think Saudade/Nep is T/T. I don’t see why Nep tries to goad Saudade as scum as a reaction to being scum read.

Ftr i agree on iv town but i wouldnt consider that dirty play from a scum iv

Your readlist is pretty surprising tbh

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I’m not sure how to read Lilith, the worst, and something smart. I would pick something smart to be the towniest because he doesn’t seem very “stiff”.

Is that an SS meta read or something else bc lilith and tw dont look stiff either

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God reading una is going to be like trying to read Aristophanes isnt it

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I need to know if it’s my playstyle that’s pinging you or something in particular.

How does this distinction help you

God reading una is going to be like trying to read Aristophanes isnt it

i'd say una is slightly less friendly, and slightly harder to read

Oh good

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@Norwee You can answer after Lavar responds then

I dont remember saying that
But your vote on BP was lame bc you did nothing with it

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worth noting that i very much felt like nep was standing behind lilith during tis push/engagement

please see reference to nepenthes subtly buddying me

I resent the adverb subtly

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Okay there’s definitely a blatant element about it, but I also feel like behind the blatant buddying there’s also a bit of more subtle buddying which I think could be scum-motivated.

Okay this would be pretty slick though right I want hypothetical props saudade is hurting my feelings

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what content???

I’m too lazy to go through and point out exactly what.
I’m aware this will make me sound scummy and i don’t care.

if you do not improve your gameplay in the next few days im hanging you

You should fade nor after me if you manage it

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what reads would you push

I wanted to ask this how many ways are you going to make me hate you

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This post is scummish imo.

Why

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Tbh Zombie is south of null on votes alone which is likely all theyll be readable by

Tw why do you consider una harder to read than ari

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For all the time you spend in this thread you really hate doing legwork or using the find function huh
But yes
@Saudade

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norweej has been engaging fine with other people, so maybe it’s your overblown aggression towards him that makes him clam up

I cant believe lilith cares more about norwees feelings than mine </3

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For all the time you spend in this thread you really hate doing legwork or using the find function huh
But yes
@Saudade

you got a case or is this gut

Im confident check out the timing of his votes this game and how he treats those players

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I gave you hypothetical props!

but also my post applies to everyone who saudade yelled at

My heart is mended thank you

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As someone who was told to participate more properly, I know not what Saudade wants from people he asked to participate more properly, at this time.

I would like reads and for you to be caught up if you arent

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if norwee flips scum would you agree or disagree that the_worst is a likely partner of his?

At this time i have no idea
My read on tw is complicated
But gut says no i doubt they both follow you in tandem

[Nepenthes]

Ari is fun and funny but also plays with his heart on his sleeve; you can taste his earnestness or the faint taste of guilt if you breathe in enough

Una is like on the downlow completely cheeky so mindset tells need to be a bit more drawn out/abstract most of the time

Im not talking about mindset tells or emotion im talking about their play
I cant read Ari bc of how he approaches solving but una looks readable from here i can see a trajectory
But thats all i wanted to know thanks

[Nepenthes]

Anyways I've unvoted, you guys do your thing

Its hard to play mafia when im in shock so im getting coffee

[Nepenthes]

Norwee is friendly and charming but i dont consider either thing to be town indicative
Originally i thought norwee and tws little tvt thing was too neat to actually be tvt and wondered if tw was the scum in it but atp im willing to call that a successful deescalation from norwee

But thats not really why hes scum the biggest indicator are his voting patterns theyve all been on safe targets (zombie billy and me) but wrt billy he stopped carring abt the slot at all besides answering my questions
The vote on me he hides behind saudade but then starts commenting on my posts being scummy, notably only posts after he made the vote and none before which indicates a lack of solving

[Nepenthes]

my vote can go back up if it helps

You admitting the possibility of being wrong at all has already broken the spell sorry you cant unopen pandoras box

[Nepenthes]

the worst

[Nepenthes]

If this is you at your nicest then i feel bad for the players of your previous games

Tw besides the interaction with you what posts of norwee do you like

[Nepenthes]

Agree keeping Sirius around if he doesnt want to play will hurt more than help but eh

[Nepenthes]

Four how are those reads coming though
Grudgingly objectively correct votes aside

[Nepenthes]

I'm not keeping a note pt; idk ottomh
sometimes he says thins and I'm like "yeah that's ok" sometimes he says things and I'm like "oh boy". I wouldn't say outside of engagements that he has any Towny Posts [TM] in the true meaning of the phrase tbqh

Could you look

[Nepenthes]

I reeeally don't want to
this kinda feels like entrapment because I really don't think he has any radiantly Towny posts he's just kind of an acceptable presence sometimes

Tw i am pushing him and you said you liked his posting ofc im going to ask
smh entrapment
If you think explaining why you find him towny is entrapment then maybe hes not towny

[Nepenthes]

it's almost like I'm near null on him and like some parts of his play and not others and you asked me to explain what I like about the parts I don't like / don't really think much of .... or something crazy like that......

Dont pretend i gave you a hard ask ducky
If you dont strongly tr anything besides the tvt thing then you dont but if you say something and i want to question it im going to

[Nepenthes]

Thanks and sorry for the spam everyone.
I'm off to do some coaching now, and will check the thread before going to sleep.

Ask away if you want something answered today.

Reads on me billy and norwee would be helpful

[Nepenthes]

Townblock, of course, has to change as time goes on in the event I am wrong on any reads, I might be a true progressive, but I'm not perfect.

Right now, though, no one I have brought into the townblock has done anything to make me question it too much.

I have no objections to your townreads
Do you have an opinion on me and norwee

[Nepenthes]

Is that what negging is

[Nepenthes]

As stated earlier, Norwee seems to be doing more of buddying than any actual work here. I'm hesitant on him.

I'm mostly null on you. You haven't done anything I see as objectively townie or scummy to my recollection, so, I'm still considering this one. I haven't seen anything from my townreads to particularly sway me to you being scum, however, I would not fight for you to not be eliminated if it came down to that or no elimination.

Okay four keep on i guess

[Nepenthes]

I dont think norwee is actually trying to manipulate that way becaude negging is pretty fucked up
I think the insulting your posts while TRing them is a symptom of norwee reading them but knowing that theyre solving and that theyre acceptable to tr without caring too much about unraveling the confent bc he doesnt need to worry about reading you or your arguments

[Nepenthes]

Its easier to dismiss them as weird but town and call visible effort town than meaningfully engage

[Nepenthes]

He finally unvoted me and now hes gone
I hate this fucking family

[Nepenthes]

VOTE: Norwee
One game meta means nothing Sirius is still a null dead slot this game
But probtown if norwees trying for cred on calling him town

But Four can explain why he thinks the games are similar

[Nepenthes]

Dude, i was just about to vote Foureyes and justify myself. Now ur making it look like i’m sheeping.
Pooky you big meanie.

why no vote

[Nepenthes]

You love quoting random posts and calling them scum huh

[Nepenthes]

You had him at the bottom of your list as trash, then townread him based on his continuing to do nothing, and its only now that you bring the newbie into it
Its not a real read

[Nepenthes]

The worst / Sausage obvtown.
Innocent Villager / Lilith / Lavarmanos / Zombie apocalypse town
Foureyed / Una null
Billy / Nepenthes / S_S PoE
Sirius trash

Literally at the bottom but ok

[Nepenthes]

Una is town for keeping to their principles.
Meanwhile scum!Nep got scared and ran off the Sirius wagon.

What are you talking about

[Nepenthes]

I do not care if Sirius is conf.town with play like this.
Scum. Will. Not. Kill. Him.
And I do not trust his ability to scumread the correct people -> I do not want Sirius around.

Simple as that.

Im fine w this i dont agree the newbie makes him town and scum wont kill him
But Norwee is actually scum so i want that next

[Nepenthes]

Also im a girl

[Nepenthes]

SS i thought you were arguing we needed sirius' vote to kill scum i was so ready with my sarcasm
But no i misread and im kinda disappointed

[Nepenthes]

VOTE: Sirius

[Nepenthes]

Im voting Sirius because Unas right
Norwee is the scum here idk the others yet but its not in lilith/SS/Pooky
iv NM and tw are on probation

Im getting bored of this day run me up or elim sirius and we can move on

[Nepenthes]

yeah you guys are posting faster than i can read

is there a real reason for the Nep wagon?

Just dont sheep anyone
Make up your own mind on me if its scum so be it id rather that than the game being too fast be the reason

[Nepenthes]

It's like Foureyes is setting up for a post Sirius town-flip world by going after Norwe for "knowing" that the slot will flip town. Which doesn't make sense because FourEyes has his vote on Sirius?

I dont tr Four but your analysis keeps missing that the players voting sirius are doing it bc hes a dead slot
Norwee being scum with tmi is an argument for sirius town but if norwee isnt scum the argument means nothing and its not a sure thing that sirius is town if norwee is scum either its just a point in that direction

[Nepenthes]

well, back from where I was caught up, I don't think anyone had a great reason for pushing you, saudade said something about "not cooperating" which seemed bizarre and not right, but saudade/lilith/lavar are obvtown

yes I independently believe Sirius is a fine elimination for today based on that slot's content but I am admittedly being lazy about looking for how the pushes on him developed over the gamestate, etc

Thats fine just do your best
Your townlist is also all town

I got mixed up on rep ins NM is lavar so NMs town

[Nepenthes]

It does but saudade redeemed himself by showing he was capable of reconsidering
It got ruined cause hes gone and tbh its draining to have gone through all that to finally maybe see a victory and them it doesmt actually matter
I dont think im going to shake these scumreads so if i have to go today im going to do it with good reads and you people are going to listen to me

[Nepenthes]

I got mixed up on rep ins NM is lavar so NMs town

who did you think NM was?

iv but hes still here

[Nepenthes]

As one slot

[Nepenthes]

SS why do you SR me

[Nepenthes]

iv - more town than scum bc good solving and he had the opportunity to move onto me and hasnt set himself up to do so but stay on him for more evidence of solving because the more of that there is the more difficult itll be to fake convincingly, if he keeps it up locktown
Four - i dont TR this and he might be buddying me
Sirius - dead slot i dont care about one game of meta
Zombie - null not enough to say for sure
Billy - townish above Zombie
Una - the stand hes taken is on sirius which is a correct option but not very readable. hope youre town
Norwee - scum
tw - our game together just finished and tws approach to me is consistent to the game we just played together. i dont want to locktown him for it but it makes sense that hed be disappointed and gutscumread me when you compare what happened that game to this one. If norwee is scum this is close to locktown. if norwee is town then idk cant help you with the duck
pooky - locktown this was saudade slot
SS - probtown and im trusting lilith also play
NM - close to locktown but if he keeps voting town dont let him get ro endgame
lilith - locktown and towns only hope if una isnt town

#day1reads

[Nepenthes]

SS why do you SR me

Saudade + the whiteknighting thing + Norway feels genuine and you two are scumreading each other + your content is very conventional which is about what I'd expect from scum in your spot + you softed VT making you a safe push

The last thing saudade did this game was rep out and i didnt soft anything

[Nepenthes]

nep does anyone townread you this game?

I dont think anyone TRs me besides you
Lavar leantowned me maybe i dont remember

[Nepenthes]

376
1080
1104
1587

Two of these are TRs on me lmao

[Nepenthes]

You may not have meant to but this definitely reads as a VT soft.

I dont think im going to shake these scumreads so if i have to go today im going to do it with good reads and you people are going to listen to me

Not intentional

[Nepenthes]

BTW my reads included leantowns and not scumreads but anything thats not locktown or near locktown could easily have scum so read the list that way

[Nepenthes]

SS fix your read on lilith
Her fixation on being TRed by you is not scummy at all
Does she usually act out of character as scum bc thats how you described the post you didnt like
At the time my wagon was vanity and neither of its members were pushing it so her comment was fine

[Nepenthes]

Tw I want to talk about your read on me now and why you have it
If im wrong and it has nothing to do w our mini normal then you can ignore this

Also ya it is still d1 no one should have a complete readlist rn

[Nepenthes]

Her fixation on being TRed by you is not scummy at all

I never said it was?

Okay then you can take it as the towntell that it is

[Nepenthes]

Okay I believe you

[Nepenthes]

Whats going on is its two different games, and in our mini normal i had the benefit of replacing in on day 2 and then getting lucky with a scum elim on a slot that was pretty much unreadable but needed to be eliminated
My reads are obviously going to be more developed in that scenario

I had a suspicion from the beginning that you were comparing my play but there wasnt much i could do about it with the games ongoing
1 game meta is worth nothing and doesnt take into account how different the plists are

I was trying to figure out if you were scum for it but this has made me more confident in declaring you town bc you never leveraged it as evidence against me until i pressed for it and the fact i could see it in your approach to me from literally gamestart makes me pretty confident that your mindset was coming from a genuine misapplication of meta

[Nepenthes]

tw why do you feel uncomfortable if sirius flips town its fine

[Nepenthes]

That post to tw has more value in postgame in terms of the meta arguments but it does serve as further strengthening my town tw read so it still has some purpose to the game

[Nepenthes]

Thats 4 votes on me

[Nepenthes]

iv why the vote

[Nepenthes]

Im not realistically getting the norwee elim today thats obvious
Sirius and Norwee could both be scum i just think its more likely sirius is town w norwee scum
Regardless of that its still right to flip sirius

I like my avatar picking one for TR purposes is for my main lol

[Nepenthes]

sometimes obvscum is just scum

iv and norwee are now about equal for scum
Go there if i get elimmed today you owe me this
For those of you who demand explanations iv declaring my slot obvscum after the amount of gameposts hes made that have been reasoned TRs on me is just not town

[Nepenthes]

For those of you who demand explanations iv declaring my slot obvscum after the amount of gameposts hes made that have been reasoned TRs on me is just not town

I don't follow this in the slightest.

Ivs made several posts previously either disagreeing with SRs on me or having reasons to TR me but then calls me obvscum
Check his ISO its a good amount of his recent posting

[Nepenthes]

Oh, I don't doubt that the behavior you're talking about occurred. I'm confused as to why you think it's scummy.

He was not behaving like someone who considered me obvscum in the slightest so i dont buy his reason at all

[Nepenthes]

What do you think of SS's reaction

[Nepenthes]

iv declaring it a reaction test is pretty much the only thing i would have bought
Im concerned that you would think theres nothing to even question about such a drastic turnaround
Not to mention that you dont refer to a player as obvscum when you DO change your mind if youve been TRing them previously

@SS

[Nepenthes]

worsty like I want to strong townread you and sheep your reads like others? i have ~reasons~ that I cannot talk about for being paranoid of your slot but the gist of it is that youre good at scum and knowing you like scum more doesn’t help with that paranoia and you wouldn’t lie about that

I did not know about the hiatus thing, that does throw a wrench into things

Fwiw I really dont see scum tw who seemed to be a fan of my townplay in our very recent game together deciding to target me early the way he did and in the way he did
Bc i can clearly see where he got the idea he did and his explanation of the way he saw the differences in my play is consistent w that

You dont have the benefit of context though so im basically saying this to help w paranoia