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vote CF Riot
He's got the same chance of being mafia this game as last game. So there's a 1/4 chance he's mafia this time. I don't like your misleading statistics. Though I do agree with your assessment of the input of Farside and Gurgi.
Also, you voting for me would in no way be random haha.
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I don't believe this. I think of something right after I post (twice) and now I'm scum.... I'd say this is an even weaker case than you guys brought against me last game.
Riot, casinos are rigged so that you lose. Trying to justify your faulty statistic with useless trivia? Tsk tsk.
Anyhow, I say we lynch Had just in case he's mafia again (sarcasm) Also, I'm sad Netlava isn't on my team anymore-
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Is there any reason you're voting for me now rather than when I first said I'm assuming there's three mafia? I don't understand why you waited so long if that's your reason for voting me.
Fishing for pro-town roles to drop hints that you can pick up? Makes me wonder, why do you care who the pro town roles are?
Note liking Had's waiting so long to vote for me. Also not liking Riot's misleading stat trying to make us think there's very little chance Had is scum.-
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Alright, assuming you weren't trying to mislead anyone, I still have to question why you were so quick to defend Had when there had been a whopping five posts before yours. Why did you feel the need post about him?CF Riot wrote:Oh jeez. I really hate to pull a "yeah what he said" but Mac read my post exactly the way I meant it. I should've quoted you or something Tinsley but I assumed people would know why I mentioned Had for my stat. I didn't try to leave Charter out, it's just that no one had voted for him and that was my point. The only reason I joked about voting Charter is because we sort of had a feud last game and I ended up being right. Like I said though, I don't joke vote, so voting for him based on that goes against my game morals. The stat wasn't meant to change anyone's minds once real voting started, I just thought of all the people you could random, I wouldn't choose someone who was mafia last game.-
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Going back and doing a little rereading, and look what I find.
Then later in 66Hadhfang in post 60 wrote:Hmmm, My thoughts so far are that the SK thing is a bit of a wierd thing to do, but I can't really see anything in Charter's assumption thing really, if i'm honest.
I will be interested in seeing who the next person to vote for Had is (assuming someone does.Hadhfang wrote:There could be cult leaders or survivers though, that's not above possibility. Tbh, speculation on 3rd party roles offers us no help at all, until someone makes a hint at their role if they are pro-town. Having said that Lord Guri's post was that there are likely to be either 3 scum or 3 scum and a SK, it was Charter that brought up the speculation about it.
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False, the only thing I've said this whole game about a SK is post 42, where I say "The person who first brings up a SK is more likely to be the SK supposedly." in response to Battousai's question of why is it bad to bring up the SK in the early game. I don't speculate about having one anywhere and I won't until at least tomorrow.Hadhfang wrote:THe first comment on the SK thing meant I thought that the speculation on teh SK was weird, but I didn't think Charter's assumption mix up had much in it at the time. Re-reading it, Charter was the one that made a comment on teh SK speculation first, which in turn began more open spculation about it.
Also false. I voted for you, but all I've done is pointed out that you flip-flopped and that you took a very long time to vote for me. If I was 'pushing' there would be more arguments.Hadhfang wrote:Charter seems to be pushing for a lynch quite eagerly at the moment and it's only page 3.
Convenient claim to make on D1 when you're at L-3....Hadhfang wrote:Also, I'm a cop with an unknown sanity. Of course its up to you as to what you think of that.-
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Don't lynch him today and if he lives through the night lynch him tomorrow. Of course the mafia could always not NK him, but I see that as much more unlikely than him actually being mafia (if he lives). Saying this, there's no point in lynching him today, as there are probably two others, so I'll go ahead andCF Riot wrote:For now,strong FoS on Hadhfang, waiting for the rest of the town's opinion on how to go about testing this claim. Battousai I'm also waiting for you to come in and clear your name.
unvote had
However Had, you would do well to explain the discrepancies in your posting as pointed out by several of us.
A good place to startvote blackberrybecause I didn't get a super kickass role.-
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Yes, it was all my fault. No one else possibly thought that, or was going to think that tomorrow. If I hadn't said anything, scum couldn't have thought of that and would still be in the dark.farside22 wrote:Well with Charter's statement did was exactly this: Now it will be WIFOM. If Had is NK, If Had is scum, If, if, if. It's really too soon to say any of that and I think talking about it gives the scum ideas (if Had isn't scum) what to do about the situation. The worse part about Had's claim is he doesn't know if he is sane or not.
I think you trying to pin this on me is scummy. What does everyone else think?-
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QFTTinsley wrote:
The fact that you already have two targets in mind before reading the game seems scummy.Blackberry wrote:I don't buy Had's claim at all. It's exactly what scum would claim. I don't know about my read of Tinsley + Had, I could be completely wrong, as I haven't actually read this game yet, lol.
However, cop claim on day one is a very easy claim for scum to make. I'm not saying Had's claim is false, but there's virtually no proof he actually is or isn't the cop, but no one wants to lynch their cop.-
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Why are you asking other people what they think should happen if Riot is found dead tomorrow and is doc? Why don't you say what you think will happen? What good can you hope to gain from this question? I ask these because you seem unwilling to drop the Riot being doc thing, even after he explicitly said he wasn't dropping hints at his role.Battousai wrote:
What if he really was a doc and it was a real breadcrumb? Then if the scum wasn't observant you just outed a town power role. What do you think should happen if CF is found dead tomorrow as the doc?Netlava wrote:CF Riot's post 71:
I saw it as a doc breadcrumb, with apple being the trigger word, except for the fact that it makes no sense for a doc to breadcrumb whatsoever. From my (limited) experience as mafia, I have been tempted to drop fake breadcrumbs, before realizing that doc breadcrumbs make no sense.CF Riot wrote:I'd also like to add that I'm eating the most delicious apple right now. So good.-
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I think it's a scummy thing to do and I'm calling you out on it. It doesn't matter who it's directed to. Netlava is still free to answer it, I haven't given my opinion on the matter. I hesitate to say 'loaded question' but your question is very WIFOM with the what do you think should happen tomorrow.
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Yes I did. Obviously or I would have kept it to myself if I didn't think that everyone in this game wouldn't have thought of it too. I think it would be an extremely obvious/easy scum play to let Had live (since most likely the doc would protect him anyway) and then push for his lynch tomorrow if he doesn't hit one of them tonight. I honestly can't believe that everyone else in here didn't come to this exact same conclusion. I know there's a million other things that can happen, but whenever someone claims cop D1, this always goes through everyone's head.farside22 wrote:You brought it up. Why? Do you really think the scum will be thinking in those terms?
If you now say that I'm further directing people, I'm going to explode. I'm not telling anyone to do anything, just explaining what I assumed obvious and that everyone thought.-
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Yeah, I'm not seeing that. In one I'm "lining up lynches" and in the other I'm questioning Bat. I don't see how they're connected either.farside22 wrote:@Macavenger: charter is talking about lining up lynches, but the hypocritical part is he is talking about whether Had is still alive, then calls out another player who did exactly as he did.-
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Was away, don't have much time now, but I'll address this now.
The whole BB is odd... There were two or three obvious ones that weren't serious you quoted in your post and treated them as serious.ShadowGirl wrote:
Yes... I was in the last game.charter wrote:@SG, were you even in the last game? References to it completely flew over your head, I don't know why you'd point them out and put trivial comments on them.
I'm going to do a reread when I get back from this weekend with my current thoughts, I'll beV/LAuntil monday probably.
Can you elaborate on these 'references'?
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It wouldn't have given me any more than everyone else. I simply would have found it interesting.Hadhfang wrote:
Why is this? What information would it have given you?Charter wrote: I will be interested in seeing who the next person to vote for Had is (assuming someone does.
You were still very suspicious (and still are).Hadhfang wrote:
How come you spent so long to unvote? You didn't like how I waited to vote you, so why did you wait to unvote me?Charter wrote: Don't lynch him today and if he lives through the night lynch him tomorrow. Of course the mafia could always not NK him, but I see that as much more unlikely than him actually being mafia (if he lives). Saying this, there's no point in lynching him today, as there are probably two others, so I'll go ahead and
unvote had
Way to come up with something original. It's not that scummy, I was wrong before.Hadhfang wrote:
how is it scummy? he isn't really trying to pin anything on you Charter, He's just pointing out what you did.Charter wrote:
I think you trying to pin this on me is scummy. What does everyone else think?farside22 wrote:Well with Charter's statement did was exactly this: Now it will be WIFOM. If Had is NK, If Had is scum, If, if, if. It's really too soon to say any of that and I think talking about it gives the scum ideas (if Had isn't scum) what to do about the situation. The worse part about Had's claim is he doesn't know if he is sane or not.
Your post here seems like a desperation attempt to save yourself. I don't know why you're not in much danger of being lynched today.-
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I'm not really liking this post. All you did when pointing it out the first time was set yourself up for a "but I was right about Netlava, listen to me" defense in case we lynch netlava and he's town. Now you seem to be reiterating it which I don't understand. If he is scummy, there shouldn't be any problems with lynching him. I won't lie, I've been biased towards him this game because he helped me out the most last game, but I'll do a reread without this bias.Walnut wrote:
While I increasingly think it may be justified, as I said earlier (in post #218), it seemed to me a foregone conclusion that if we focused on Netlava it would most likely end in him being lynched.Walnut wrote:I agree with Mac here. As an example, if we focus steadily on Netlava I am sure we can get enough votes on to lynch him. After about 20 pages of playing with him I would say that his style is unorthodox enough to make enough people suspicious of him even if he were a vanilla townie. Does this mean that I think Netlava is guilty or innocent? Neither, simply that it would not be a useful test. On the other hand, if we continue to talk about every player, it becomes a case of "Is he the best person to lynch today?", which is quite different.
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Did a reread, here's my thoughts on what I saw.
Batt in 37, put's a horribly justified vote on farside
Seeing an LG - Batt connection possibly
Riot in 48, Points out Batt
Walnut in 63, massive derailing of town
Had in 66, still cant shake this...
Walnut in 79, MORE extra curricular role speculation
by post 92, Walnut has said absolutely nothing new and constructive to the town and jumps on board Had
Riot in 99, wants the rest of the town's opinion on how to test Had's claim. He's testing the waters because you never lynch an unclaimed cop day 1 (or it's at least idiotic barring extreme circumstances). At this point I'm leaning towards Had actually being the cop.
Batt 102, says he was lurking on purpose...
Walnut 137, Defends himself against BB even though there is no need to. No one listened to him since he even said he had no interest in playing.
Walnut in 137, Seems to think lynching BB is not only acceptable, but a good idea. Says that BB was deliberately trying to draw votes when pressure was building. Two things wrong with this. First I think that was BB's first or second post, so it being timed seems very unlikely to me. Second, he 'knows' BB was drawing votes away from someone else...
At this point, I stop and just read all Walnut's posts+context.
145, wishy washy about BB after Netlava questions him.
Riot in 173, I don't understand why you seem to drop all suspicion of Walnut here and set your sights on Netlava. I don't find it scummy, but why did you drop Walnut?
LG in 176, bandwagons, screams scum to me.
Walnut in 187, defends me. Don't know why. Possible scenario is because he thinks I'll go and get myself lynched like I almost did last game, flip town, then he'll be in a good spot tomorrow.
Stopped around here. The whole game, up until here, Walnut only contributes useful opinions when questioned. His posts since then have been ok, but his early posts seem really scummy. Go ahead and string me up for this,vote walnut-
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You seem awfully concerned with my thoughts, especially since I mentioned you just once and said a whopping four words about you. I said your vote was a bandwagon vote because your reason for voting him was "Until you provide some decent explanation for yourself, Unvote, Vote: Netlava". It was the second (I believe) vote on him, with not too steller justification. There's no actual argument there, just you casting suspicion upon Netlava.
I'm not saying anything about how scummy Netlava is or isn't. I actually commented on five players, and formed opinions on others, however, me revealing them now will NOT help lynch scum, so don't ask for them. It doesn't "seem" like I had tunnel vision, I clearly did when I said that I was only going to continue reading Walnut's posts/context. Despite saying that, I still read and commented on other players when something caught my eye. I know you noticed this fact because one of those comments was about you.
I don't like Netlava's posts either, but I don't think they are neccessarily indicitive of him being scum, but I don't think they're indicitive of town either.-
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No, if I say something about you that you disagree with, you should definately voice your concerns. I was expecting you to ask me to elaborate on my thoughts about you, but I wasn't expecting it in the manner you did, because all I said was "bandwagons" and "screams scum to me" neither of which is descriptive in the least (it wasn't meant to be, it was just me jotting down my thoughts). I don't think your reaction was unjustified, but I don't understand the need to tell me "There are other players in the game, why not look at them?". Obviously I haven't forgotten this.
I don't want to argue whether Netlava did or didn't justify accusations brought against him, or argue about his playstyle.
Argh, I have to go, this thought isn't complete. Will finish later.-
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Ah, I thought that since the whole post you questioned Netlava. I see now that you didn't drop him, my apologies. I haven't done that reread yet, I doubt I can today, hopefully this weekend. I didn't mention Netlava, but I didnt mention a lot of others either.CF Riot wrote:Charter I haven't dropped suspicion of Walnut. I pointed out that I still find him scummy in 252. I think Netlava is far scummier. You said in 250 that you've been too biased in favor of Netlava this game and are going to reread intending to be more neutral. Did that happen? You don't mention Netlava in your recap of the game anywhere.
@Walnut, regardless of what questions you were answering, your post got a few people off topic for a while. I'm not arguing that what you said was or wasn't justified, just that you did say it, and it did derail the town.
You're right about the 137 though, don't know where I got defend from. More like fruitlessly attacks. I assumed no one listened to him, since there were very few posts that talked about BB or what he said. Also noted, how you group Tinsley in there with responding to BB but no one else. Walnut, you really didn't defend yourself against my accusations. You corrected my improper use of words in a few cases, but you didn't try and refute much.
Plus your latest post is taking a very noncommittal stance on netlava. You even say so yourself. It seems scummy, like all that needs to happen is netlava needs just a little more support, then you'll add your vote.-
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I figured camn actually did have a wild role because of the way she basically said 'drop my role discussion' as soon as she came in. Coupled with BB's "kick ass role" and I thought it might be true.
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I'm inclined to believe you. As some of you have noticed, I just say what I think, so I say we keep you around for a little, if need be, we can lynch you later, but I don't think you would have claimed like that if you were scum. Do you know if the mafia's kill would still go through on you? AKA a one for one trade? (not that I would mind that)-
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About to do my Netlava read as I have time during work today, I'll be looking for this as well and point it out when I see it.
Bah, was going to ask a question regarding eventually lynching Camn, but realized it would cause pointless talk today to explode, so remind me D2 if I forget.CF Riot wrote:The way you focus on me without voting me, and the way you voice suspicion of other people (like Charter) without actually questioning them or commenting on their tells appears to me like trying to get someone else to start the wagon so later you could jump on without taking the heat for a mislynch tomorrow.-
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I know this is about netlava, but Walnut's post 92 contradicts his being hesitant to vote for someone that he's pulling now.
Read Riot's post 99. Had, if you investigate a good town power role tonight (aka doctor) please just say they're a normal townie.
Finally get to some Netlava stuff worthy of comment.
113, I actually think he picked out a non-connection between Batt and Riot. I however, don't understand the way Riot talks to Batt in those two. It's like they're both on the same team, but I can't see Riot doing something like that if he's scum.
144, Netlava says he's not sure whether Had is scum. A few posts earlier he said he thinks he is still, and throws out the idea of lynching him anyway.
150, I really don't like Batt's "What if" here. It seems like an opportunistic way to attack Netlava and make himself seem useful. (after this I'm going to look more closely at Batt, and particularly a Batt-Walnut connection). I commented on it before, but going back, Riot had already said it wasn't a breadcrumb, and Netlava had said before that that it's entirely pointless to breadcrumb as a doc. I agree with Netlava, the doctor is only good if they are completely hidden, so dropping ANY clue that you're the doc, is idiotic.
173, Riot sums up everything about Netlava. Honestly I think he's got it set in his mind Netlava is scum at this point and trying to get him lynched.
175, Netlava accuses LG. I think the putting LG at number two scum is very OMGUS, but I think his point is valid. I also agree with the rest of his post too. Plus, farside doesn't question LG like she did to me (in respect to the not answering questions. She didn't pioneer the ones on LG like she did with me though...)
176, Bad post by LG
193, Very odd that he didn't post this earlier, or at least didn't give a reason for not like "I'll respond to Riot's post when I get more free time" or something in his post 175. Not a stellar defense, but adequate.
195, I actually think Netlava has a case on LG. LG does change around the reasons he's voting Netlava from tunnel vision to flip flopping.
204, I think Mac's bit at the end of his post about netlava (about 'tempt') is true.
211, Walnut defends me, no reason for this. Think I already pointed this out though.
214, I agree with Netlava.
225, Bad post by Netlava, should have said it differently.
228, Farside agrees that Netlava did not OMGUS vote LG, I agree
276, Batt questions my remaining vote on walnut
277, LG FINALLY answers the SK speculation questions when no one even remembers them anymore
293, Netlava jumps on the walnut wagon.
312, Had flips on me AGAIN. Now I'm aggressive town, whereas before I was scum. I'm honestly about willing to lynch Had regardless of his claim... Also Had, there's nothing we can question you on your claim with until tomorrow.
325, Dont know what to make of his suggestions. I actually had him at number 3, but this post with its absurd amount of speculating puts him at 2.
Anyways, my top three scum picks
1 - Walnut
2 - Batt
3 - LG
Walnut I've explained.
Batt - A LARGE number of his posts serve no purpose but speculation.
LG - I think Netlava's case against him was justified, plus LG has been wagon hopping whenever it seems like someone new is coming under fire. His entire play this game has been extremely opportunistic.
Netlava - I don't think he's scum. I think Walnut is the best lynch for today.
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LG, why did you not either 1- reiterate what Batt said (as in he defended you correctly) or 2- set everyone straight? You STILL manage to dodge answering while 1- shifting blame elsewhere and 2- Looking like you're concerned (I say looking because I'm pretty sure you're scum by now)
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Voting for you because you have yet to do any scumhunting. At first you posted a whole lot of nothing, and now that you've got some votes, all you're doing is defending yourself. Still no scumhunting.Walnut wrote:
That reminds me- why are you voting for me Charter? After you posted a list of accusations I answered them. My sense of that was that I had clearly explained myself and shown that your arguments did not hold water. To go back to your response to that (post #274)charter wrote:I have no problem voting LG, Batt, or Walnut today to make sure one of them gets lynched at deadline.
I think both actions were scummy. I don't point out everything I find scummy.Walnut wrote:@Walnut, regardless of what questions you were answering, your post got a few people off topic for a while. I'm not arguing that what you said was or wasn't justified, just that you did say it, and it did derail the town.
According to you, I answered questions, which may have been justified. What is the point here? Even if you believe the answers "derailed" the town and someone in this process was scummy, would it have been the person who asked the question, not the one who answered it?
You've decided from two posts that BB is scum? Pretty bold statement there. Personally, I think his actions were brilliant (assuming he was town) because his claim would have easily drew mafia attention.Walnut wrote:
I have explained my stance on BB previously. He needed to ask to be replaced or modify his style greatly, or he was scum. I am not sure how I am responsible for whether other people post about him or not- if I attack him and no one else does it is not deliberately fruitless and therefore scummy, as you seem to be saying here.You're right about the 137 though, don't know where I got defend from. More like fruitlessly attacks. I assumed no one listened to him, since there were very few posts that talked about BB or what he said. Also noted, how you group Tinsley in there with responding to BB but no one else.
You give a one liner for voting Had, based on your gut and put him at L-2. It was your reason and your manner of jumping on Had's bandwagon that drew suspicion towards you.Walnut wrote:Why do I group Tinsley in there and no one else? Because Tinsley also responded at that time, and no one else did. Again, I am not getting your point in this accusation. Equally, if I had attacked someone that other people were pursuing, would you have called me scummy for getting on a bandwagon? I believe some people did for my vote on Hadhfang.
The main reason for suspecting you, not scumhunting.Walnut wrote:
When the improper words were the key to your arguments, that seems significant. I thought I had pointed out conclusively that your accusations were baseless. Please tell me what I have missed.Walnut, you really didn't defend yourself against my accusations. You corrected my improper use of words in a few cases, but you didn't try and refute much.
Greatly.Walnut wrote:
Nope, needed a deadline My point was that if we focused only on Netlava he would be lynched, and we would miss the opportunity for more Day 1 converstion. Do you feel that you have benefited from the last few pages?Plus your latest post is taking a very noncommittal stance on netlava. You even say so yourself. It seems scummy, like all that needs to happen is netlava needs just a little more support, then you'll add your vote.
You understand that no one else has any way of knowing what you think unless you post it. If that's the reason we're suspecting you, you might want to post more thoughts.Walnut wrote:
I think here you are confusing posting with analysing the game. Scumhunting is not just about asking your own questions and having them answered, it is also reading all of the conversations going on. Whether I had posted about Hadhfang or not before voting for him is irrelevant. I felt, and do feel, pretty confident about Had. Only time will prove whether my confidence was well founded or not.Macavenger wrote:
That post is actually what attracted charter and I's attention. We're saying it's a contradiction - there's really no way you could be as certain as you're now claiming you want to be that early in the game. The fact that you hadn't even posted anythign about him before jumping on him to L-2 is pretty much the opposite of someone being careful with their vote.Walnut wrote:
I explained that, just a few posts earlier:I know this is about netlava, but Walnut's post 92 contradicts his being hesitant to vote for someone that he's pulling now
Other games have nothing to do with this one.Walnut wrote:
It certainly does! It makes me very conscious that if I don't say something on Day 1 I may not have the chance to say it on Day 2.
Has nothing to do with this game.Walnut wrote:Other than in recent games I have a 100% success rate at being a mafia target on night one- my ghost will mouth it silently-
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Have you forgotten about your vote? You're currently voting me, but do you no longer find me suspicious?ShadowGirl wrote:Haven't forgotten about this game.
My top three list [in no particular order as of yet]
o. Battousai
o. Walnut
o. LG
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*Had : What with the cop claim and all.
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I don't agree with this. First, regardless of his disclaimer, he still made the statement "you are scum" after BB had made two posts which I feel he shouldn't be able to make. Second, I'm not making him look scummy in that post, you're saying that for me. I first questioned his assertation, then said that was a bold statement considering BB made two posts.Battousai wrote:
Wait, what? Two things wrong with your statement here Charter.charter wrote:
You've decided from two posts that BB is scum? Pretty bold statement there. Personally, I think his actions were brilliant (assuming he was town) because his claim would have easily drew mafia attention.Walnut wrote:
I have explained my stance on BB previously. He needed to ask to be replaced or modify his style greatly, or he was scum. I am not sure how I am responsible for whether other people post about him or not- if I attack him and no one else does it is not deliberately fruitless and therefore scummy, as you seem to be saying here.You're right about the 137 though, don't know where I got defend from. More like fruitlessly attacks. I assumed no one listened to him, since there were very few posts that talked about BB or what he said. Also noted, how you group Tinsley in there with responding to BB but no one else.
1) You seem to ignore the fact Walnut stated "[BB] needed to ask to be replaced or modify his style greatly..." It seems you are trying to make Walnut look scummy instead of finding scummy things Walnut has done.
Way to go on defending Walnut...
Here we go again. More "What ifs?". The "What ifs" do nothing to help find scum. Regardless of how good or bad it's been done and there's nothing we can do about it. I don't know why you bring this up, all that will happen is an argument gets stirred up and we waste the time before the deadline.2) The play was not brilliant. What if an investigative role targeted BB first. Hell, that's what I would have done if I had an investigative role. Then we would be done both the cop, and BB (the mafia got to him after the cop). Your using hindsight with BB/camn's UNCONFIRMED role.-
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viewtopic.php?t=8599Farkshinsoup wrote:Still in the middle of my reread. Can someone post a link to the "other game" that keeps being referenced in the early pages? Not sure if I will read it, but I'd like to give it a quick look so I know what everyone is talking about.
Long story short, Me Had and acidmix were scum. Riot (and a bunch of others) were positive I was scum. I was lying through my teeth. Mac and Netlava were ready to slit each others throats. Acidmix then ruined the game. We didn't make it out of day one.-
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@Camn, Ah I see that I was on there twice, but my real vote is on Walnut.
What is the point of this post again?Lord Gurgi wrote:Hello Thesp. I'm not a fan of this "Let's all defend LG" fad, but I don't know what I can do to stop it.
@Thesp, your reason for suspecting farside/Fark is lack of scumhunting (396). What are your thoughts on Walnut and his lack of scumhunting?
I don't like Netlava's reaction to Thesp's declaration he's scum.
I agree with Mac in 404. How do you know that farside didn't scumhunt because she didn't have much time? She did have to get replaced. I know I sound like I'm defending her, but I don't think she's scum right now.
@Walnut in 408. Oh dear... I wasn't attacking you in half those quotes, no need for you to respond to them as they were my thoughts, not something debatable. You don't need to defend yourself anymore, I'm already convinced you need to be lynched. This is why you don't have time to scumhunt, you spend too much time defending.
You not living past night one has NOTHING to do with this game. Period. There's no reason to throw that out there.
Walnut, I'm not pushing arguments, you're going out of your way to defend yourself, and your accusations on me and Mac seem OMGUSy.-
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My point was that Walnut was defending himself when I wasn't asking him questions or accusing him. It came out bad.CF Riot wrote:Charter one thing in 409 is bad. It's okay to be confident in your vote but to tell someone there's no point in defending themselves is wrong. This could be okay for a role based confirmation, like cop investigation or tracking someone etc., but not just because you refuse to change your mind.-
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Walnut, you continue to not scumhunt and just defend yourself. I'm not going to further discuss this with you because it will only prolong the scumhunting more.
I explained about the "don't need to defend yourself" bit. I misworded it horribly. This is a better way of wording it "You don't need to continue defending yourself against statements, not arguments, I'm making. I'm already convinced you need lynched."
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I'm voting Walnut for the exact same reasons as yesterday, not for asking Thesp anything. Nothing has changed except Batt has left my LoS.
Thesp had better claim his results and had better have a good reason for investigating who he did. Had was horribly scummy, and Thesp isn't as clever as he thinks he is.
Speculation is HORRIBLE for the town. It just leads to confusion, and possibly assuming scum killed Batt for a reason that isn't right. Scum could have been trying to frame someone, thought Batt had a power role, randomly killed, the list goes on. I can't possibly know motive until we've got at least one scum dead, so speculating now is pointless. If you want more explaination on this, I will be happy to provide it.-
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