Mini 595 - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

I think RF investigated SG night 1. Although I wouldnt be surprised if it was someone else, his NK took me 100% by surprise, I prepared a bunch of stuff for Iron because I thought there was no way I lived. He may of thought similar and saw no need to breadcrumb. Check that, I dont think he investigated SG, he asked her to claim, he is a newer player so it seems he wasnt sure of himself.

Now on other players, I view FS as pretty town right now, not because of actions but WIFOM from SG. When SG replaced in she concentrated on ZS and FS. Now given that ZS was the mafia spy and (I think) not known to scum, she made some prods at him. In the long run though, she seemed to back a FS lynch much more then a ZS one, as discussion of him dropped off for Iron and FS. I dont see scum bussing like this D1 when there is what appeared to be a townie who was on the way out the door.

Given lack of NKs too, I think we are dealing with a large scum faction. I even would venture GF-RB-goon-spy. This isnt 100%, but I have never seen only one NK twice, and never seen less then three anti-town roles. On this note, if we have a doctor who has two saves, now would be a good time to speak up

if

they arent on Iron or I.

I like jas and CKD as our main courses of action today. I still would not be shocked by an Amor-scum given he pushes cases like I do as scum. BM-scum is possible, but I dont see it that much. Same applies to alvinz-scum, the move against me D1 was gutsy, but given ZS would of appeared town to scum, possible.

Right now I would go

CKD
jas
Amor
Alvinz
BM
FS

@mod

please replace jas, he has not posted on the site for about two weeks now

did you really have to make that entire post using acronyms? Having just replaced in, i dont have the slightest clue what that post even means. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ooohhh, do you hear that???
Thats the sound of the worlds smallest violin , playing just for you BM....
And if I haven't already, welcome to the game...
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The names of all players are in the first post, just go back & check....

Lol thats almost sigworthy.
As far as im aware, the OP hasnt been updated in a long LONG time. It's only thanks to our gracious Moderator Incognito that we have an updated list posted on the previous page. Even so, having not met many of you before, the acronyms blew my mind.

So, erm, hi!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ive checked your other sigs, and most do not stand up to my last comment...
You should consider a change...
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In alphabetical order...

The living...

jas .. [jas].
A95/Alvinz .. Alvinz95.
Amor .. Amor!!
BM .. Battle Mage.
CKD .. curioskarmadog.
FS .. Firstarter.
IM .. Iron Man.
LF .. Llamafluff.

The dearly/not so dearly departed...

FL .. FaerieLord
SG .. ShadowGirl
RF .. RealityFan
ZS54 .. ZombieSlayer54

lol, you should consider spelling your own name right. Still, it does explain why you are so keen to use acronyms for everybody.

[Battle Mage]

You spotted my clever error....

I look forward to your upcoming thoughts on the game so far.

yep, i'm currently on page 6, and i'm already pretty sure where my vote is going. Prizes for guessing who that might be!

[Battle Mage]

did you really have to make that entire post using acronyms?

Yes

Prizes for guessing who that might be!

jas

umm, no. and...no.

Keep guessing!

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok, RF does not give any indication how he investigated yesterday..I am a little confused about this post.

Where is jas and RealityFan? We need prods on people who haven't posted since day break.

Sorry, my computer broke down. The claim is believable, and the Shadow case seems well built. The fact it's coming from a confirmed just gives it more weight.

Vote:Shadow

who was the "confirmed" that RF was talking about. Could be a clue who he investigated last night.

going to review posts, votes, and timing. Also Llama, you really are barking up the wrong tree...I have been busy and on vacation...trying to catch up now...will try to do a PbP on all players this week.

Wow. my old friend CKD doesnt even give me a welcome to the game.
Too distracted trying to save his own ass? You guys must be doing well!

BM

[Battle Mage]

umm, no. and...no.

Keep guessing!

BM

Firestarter?

Correct!
You are one step away from the star prize-

vote immunity

for the day. But, you must do 1 more thing before you can claim this. You know what i'm referring to.

BM

[Battle Mage]

umm, no. and...no.

Keep guessing!

BM

Firestarter?

Correct!
You are one step away from the star prize-

vote immunity

for the day. But, you must do 1 more thing before you can claim this. You know what i'm referring to.

BM

Vote him?

I've gotta admit... You're good!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hmmmm.. this is interesting..
BM, any chance of your thoughts appearing on this page, instead of having the players guess what your doing?

"What i'm doing?"
You make it sound SO sinister.
I guess this reaction shouldn't be all that unfamiliar to you. It's been pretty much unanimous that your play early in this game was remarkably scummy. Granted, i'm not totally sold on you yet. It's early days in the game. But, your interaction with ZombieSlayer is decidedly ODD. I have a feeling the final scumbag is between you and Iron Man, and expect one of you two to be lynched today. Hope that's clearer. I'll post my analysis (im keeping it brief) when im finished unless you really want it as i read?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Very much clearer, I hear ya...

I can wait till you have your synopsis completed.

BTW, how far into the thread are you?

Page 18 now. Anxiously waiting to find out whether IM is bsing about his mason claim.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Right now, my scumlist stands as:

[jas]
Firestarter
Amor

I'm going to say its safe to call

Iron Man and Llamafluff

confirmed, since there SHOULD be 1 more scum remaining.

I think I should give [jas] sometime to respond before giving a vote.

Damnit, you spoilt the ending! I cant say im that surprised anyway. He's about the only person who it could have feasibly been. Tell me Alvinz, why do you find Firestarter scummy?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow. my old friend CKD doesnt even give me a welcome to the game.
Too distracted trying to save his own ass? You guys must be doing well!

BM

ha, you have replaced in all my games BM...I personally think you are stalking me.

reading the game, I would have been on the firestarter bandwagon (for you did come across scummy the first bit of the game) in the first 10 pages or so if I was around then....however, later you are only a glimmer compared to Zombie and Iron Man (who I guess we are saying is town).

Not seeing Amor, BM, or alvinz as scum, but I need to reread given the known alignments of Zombie and shadow.

jas was pinging my radar for most of the read..but again need to reread.

Lol, maybe it says something that all games with you in are having such a high drop out rate.
I jest. But i'd be interested to hear what you have on Jas, because im most of the way through and havent noticed ANYTHING noteworthy about his play.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I am actually looking forward to hearing what BM thinks about FS being scum. He is one of the only people I think it isnt at this point. I am leaning to jas, CKD and Amor still.

Jas needs to talk
CKD needs to do a reread
Amor needs to... give opinions?

Alvinz scum is nagging at me though, it feels right but I cant back it up

Hmm, you are going against the tide then? Probably best you explain why you feel that way about FS...

BM

[Battle Mage]

But i'd be interested to hear what you have on Jas, because im most of the way through and havent noticed ANYTHING noteworthy about his play.

BM

exactly

are you seriously saying we should pursue a Jas lynch based on too-townie fallacy? Or because of lurking?

*shudder*

BM

[Battle Mage]

Here's my completed analysis:

Firestarter and Iron Man vote for No Lynch. +subsequent interaction with scumbags.

FoS: IM, HoS: FS

Post 63 by Llama is fishing.

FoS: Llama

Page 3 really looks bad for FS. Zombie’s vote seems to be setting up multiple lynches, and has a lot of conviction. It’s pretty hard to see them as not being buddies…
Zombie doesn’t take his OMGUS vote srsly atall.
Page 6.
Just as the interaction between FS and ZS was looking less buddyish, Shadowgirl (also scum) replaces in, and immediately commences the bussing of the largest wagon. Friendly interaction REEKS of scumbuddies. 0.o
I should note, if FS is town, his OMGUS style is working brilliantly well.
Page 18.
After Zombie is killed, FS criticises the attack by DramaLlama on Shadowgirl. Not much later he hops on the hot wagon. Yep, im really feeling this at the moment.
Then tries to set up pressure on LF.

Vote: Firestarter

There is no such thing as a compromise lynch today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Is this it???

22 pages of incident, yet your gonna offer this... a mere 17 half lines?

Lol, i'm not sure what is more telling. The fact that you counted the amount of lines i wrote, or the fact you ignored my earlier post where i said i was keeping my analysis brief.

A few posts later you are pretty sure after only 6 pages of re-reading where your vote is?


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Here's my completed analysis:

Firestarter and Iron Man vote for No Lynch. +subsequent interaction with scumbags.

FoS: IM, HoS: FS

Post 63 by Llama is fishing.

FoS: Llama

Page 3 really looks bad for FS. Zombie’s vote seems to be setting up multiple lynches, and has a lot of conviction. It’s pretty hard to see them as not being buddies…
Zombie doesn’t take his OMGUS vote srsly atall.
Page 6.
Just as the interaction between FS and ZS was looking less buddyish, Shadowgirl (also scum) replaces in, and immediately commences the bussing of the largest wagon. Friendly interaction REEKS of scumbuddies. 0.o
I should note, if FS is town, his OMGUS style is working brilliantly well.
Page 18.
After Zombie is killed, FS criticises the attack by DramaLlama on Shadowgirl. Not much later he hops on the hot wagon. Yep, im really feeling this at the moment.
Then tries to set up pressure on LF.

Vote: Firestarter

There is no such thing as a compromise lynch today.

BM

Theres pretty much nothing I can say about the 2nd No Lynch vote that I have not said already, everything to do with my thoughts was posted at the time. And my counter on ZS found us a scumbag....
For you to think that I and ZS are counterparts is a very strange conclusion for you to draw. It was I who originally drew up the case for ZS, or did you miss that?

Thats pretty irrelevant. Attacking a scumbag isnt a town tell lol. In fact, i find it more scummy than townie these days, because statistically, townies rarely successfully attack scum, whereas genuine scum knows exactly where to look. It's all in the interaction.

I can assure you now, my convictions have been founded since SG came in when she voted me straight off the bat....
I questioned why she would do such a thing so quickly, and she immediatly removed her vote. LF was onto her in a flash, and the vote count evolved in time.
She again was scum.
And I was extremely happy with placing my vote on her at the time.

Eh? I dont think lies are going to save you here bro. I've JUST read this game, and i dont normally suffer from short-term memory loss. You DEFENDED SG at the start of Day 2. Its only when she was perilously near a lynch that you decided to hop on, with no real thought process in between.

This is very weak BM, I was hoping for quite a bit more analysis, but Ive never played with you before, so maybe I expected too much...

I'm not so much an analysis man as some people. I prefer to stick to the facts. All thriller, no filler, and all that.
But, it's not weak atall. In fact, i'm rarely as beyond reasonable doubt as i am now. Even if you are NOT the last scumbag, you are by far the best lead we have, and i wont rest until you are dead. That's how i roll.

Almost all the points, the few you make here, have been bandied about quite a bit. And based on one of your first posts here, where you say that you are pretty sure where your vote is going, after only 6 pages of a re-read... is, IMHO, extremely scummy, and tells me you have come in to this game with an agenda, an agenda to remove a town player from the game.

Lol, the fact everybody else has said much of this should tell you something. IT'S TRUE. and you appear to be the only one who cant see it.
I had come to a pretty early conclusion, because i was looking for interaction between the scumbags and i found it in bucketloads. Its pretty WIFOMish to suggest that i had an agenda, and admitted that i had pre-conceptions. But i guess ur response is pretty consistent with your play this game. Which apparently centres around the fact that the scum are terrified of you and MUST get you killed asap.

You have ignored every other player in this game with your synopsis, if I could even call it that,

And you do not seem

to believe the mason claim, both confirmed by each other. Please point out why?

where did i say that? lol
2 suspects is more than enough for now, with only 1 scumbag left. I've deliberately not commented on the mason claim for obvious reasons. Where did u get the impression i didnt believe it?

Im happy to go after [jas] at this moment, but Im happy to pursue you to boot....

lol, how did i guess?

TBH, your assesment of this game so far is awful....

I guess that's dependant on whether you are scum or not.

1. How many scum are left in this game?

probably 1.

2. Why have you failed to look at the rest of the players in your synopsis, and only target me and LF?

I dont think i've targetted LF either. Just you and IM. What is it with your obsession with him?

3. What are your thoughts on the LF/IM mason pairing?

More questions to follow....

Yeh...no.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Theres what you'd consider brief, and theres what others call brief....
I guess thats the difference, but if you wanna get down to brass tacks without weighing up all the possibilities, fire away!!

I dont have a hang up with LF, I dont have any reasons to not believe the mason claim, but if you can point to examples that would suggest otherwise, then please point them out, and I'd be willing to look at it/them..

the way you seem to keep mentioning him out of the blue is what makes me wonder...

Here's my completed analysis:

Firestarter and Iron Man vote for No Lynch.

+subsequent interaction with scumbags.

FoS: IM, HoS: FS
Post 63 by Llama is fishing. FoS: Llama
Page 3 really looks bad for FS. Zombie’s vote seems to be setting up multiple lynches, and has a lot of conviction.

It’s pretty hard to see them as not being buddies…

Zombie doesn’t take his OMGUS vote srsly atall.
Page 6.

Just as the interaction between FS and ZS was looking less buddyish,

Shadowgirl (also scum) replaces in, and immediately commences

the bussing of the largest wagon. Friendly interaction REEKS of scumbuddies. 0.o

I should note, if FS is town, his OMGUS style is working brilliantly well.
Page 18.
After Zombie is killed, FS criticises the attack by DramaLlama on Shadowgirl. Not much later he hops on the hot wagon. Yep, im really feeling this at the moment.

Then tries to set up pressure on LF.

Vote: Firestarter

There is no such thing as a compromise lynch today.

BM

The bolded parts are parts I want examples/links/quotes of, that way I can refute any accusations you have.

Thank you.

Ok lets see:

subsequent interaction with scumbags - Are you actually denying that you interacted alot with the 2 confirmed scumbags early on in the game? It shouldnt take much of your time to go back and read for yourself, rather than me quoting the entire game.

It’s pretty hard to see them as not being buddies… - ZombieSlayer had said something along the lines of, "we lynch Firestarter today, and then when he comes up scum, we lynch this guy". Newb scum tend not to do that, because if they know that the first guy isnt scum, why would they make themselves look opportunistic and draw themselves against another target which will never happen?

Just as the interaction between FS and ZS was looking less buddyish - at this point in the argument between you two, it actually started to look like you actually weren't buddies. Up till then, it had seemed very false, but for a while, you did look protown.

the bussing of the largest wagon. - Again, look at Shadowgirl's replacement into the game. If i recall, she immediately votes for you, who was already the largest wagon, which is obviously indicative of you being buddies.

Friendly interaction REEKS of scumbuddies. - Despite voting for you, she seems very cordial towards you. Likewise, upon recieving a vote, you say "welcome aboard". Welcome aboard to the game, or to the rapidly crumbling scumteam? It seems very unnatural.

Then tries to set up pressure on LF - I believe when you hopped on the SG wagon, you said that after her, LF would be the next to go. Presumably this was before he claimed Mason.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I've read a few games BattleMage was in, and he doesn't seem like the type for megaposts. Hence I don't think his brevity is scummy.

LF and Iron Man are confirmed, and I don't think Firestarter is scum no matter how much I might want to because of how ZS and SG went after him and vice versa. That cuts the possibilities for the last scum down to [jas], CKD, BM and alvinz. None of those immediately jump out as scummy for anything other than lurking, but I will take a closer look at them soon.

lol.
Can i direct you to the last newbie game i modded? http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 41&start=0

Simply put, Wu Bu YA0, the Mafia RB got into trouble very early on, and Quagmire, his partner, bussed him very aggressively on Day 1. For the rest of the game, he was deemed 'confirmed' by the town who clearly hadnt heard of bussing. The only person who realised exactly what was going on, was Muerrto - the most experienced player there.

Look at this statistically. What are the odds that Firestarter, as town, managed to nail both the 2 scumbags on the first 2 days? Not very high. But, you see, he knew where to look. Look at it another way. 2 scumbags have been killed on the first 2 days. What are the odds that the likely, 1, remaining scumbag was not on both of those wagons? Bussing early on is often unfortunate but equally, very necessary. It's the oldest trick in the book- and sadly, some towns havent quite grasped it yet. Firestarter's play on Day 2 is in itself lynchworthy. After losing Zombieslayer, he immediately sets about trying to defend his remaining buddy, and set up a mislynch. Then a few posts later, when his buddy gets some serious heat, he hops on. What possible town motive can you paint that with!?
Nowadays, distancing is a very common technique used by scum. You don't think its a little odd how tunnel-visioned Firestarter was towards his 2 buddies, and equally, how tunnel-visioned they were towards him?

It's ridiculously obvious that FS is scum. The more i think it over, the more certain i am.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote jas

mod says he is here, in fact jas scum makes a little sense given the seemingly random death

*facepalm*

a lurker lynch.... 0.o

[Battle Mage]

LF, sorry if this is a repeat question, do you and IM know each other's alignment?...or just that both a mason?

Role is mason, not unconfirmed mason so I am saying yes.

everytime I have been a mason, I have been told if I know my partner's alignment or not. Right now, you are just a "confirmed" mason...that has no bearing on your alignment. Can you please recheck your PM or ask the Mod if you know what the alignment is of your mason partner.

I have seen games that a mason partner was mafia...so this is an important thing to clarify.

CKD is right. You'd never be called an 'unconfirmed mason' in your role pm. But you should be able to tell whether it says u have confirmation that they are town, or not.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote, vote jas

mod says he is here, in fact jas scum makes a little sense given the seemingly random death

*facepalm*

a lurker lynch.... 0.o

Look this guy despite being a suspect of mine for a lot of this game keep disappearing on me and never answering me, never posting thoughts and I want him dead or replaced because if we reach an endgame with him im going to lose it.

Well, he should be replaced then. Its not like we're at LyLo here. What bugs me is, why would you lose if we got to LyLo with him still alive?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, he should be replaced then. Its not like we're at LyLo here. What bugs me is, why would you lose if we got to LyLo with him still alive?

BM

Well its not like I havent been calling for a replacement and prods on him for most of this game

My problem with someone like that at lylo is, you have no reads on him. From there its more of a read on the other player then a read on the lurker, or using interactions with the dead scum (who if play well can point to town).

The fact that RF died last night though points to someone who really has no clue whats going on. I have been a major force in two scum lynches already, am claimed mason, and I have no clue why I am still here. Iron is a claimed mason, I have no clue why he is still here.

Why should the death of the cop be so surprising? I dont think speculating on night choices makes a good case anyway. I've fallen foul of it in a mini game before.

I do not have 100% confirmation on Iron, I will ask the mod but I dont see Iron-scum happening due to the very poor NK choices. N1 he knew I was town, he knew I wanted SG lynched, yet FL (who was my 3rd scum pick) died. Last night RF (who again was high on my scumlist) got killed. So Iron is either messing with my confidence which I dont see happening, or is not scum. I say not scum.

...This is why i hate masons. We should consider looking into this tomorrow, if still applicable. Today, we hang FS.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I do not have 100% confirmation on Iron, I will ask the mod but I dont see Iron-scum happening due to the very poor NK choices. N1 he knew I was town, he knew I wanted SG lynched, yet FL (who was my 3rd scum pick) died. Last night RF (who again was high on my scumlist) got killed. So Iron is either messing with my confidence which I dont see happening, or is not scum. I say not scum.

Llama, WTF??? You don't even know if Iron Man is the mason for real?

The fact that RF died last night though points to someone who really has no clue whats going on. I have been a major force in two scum lynches already, am claimed mason, and I have no clue why I am still here. Iron is a claimed mason, I have no clue why he is still here.

Thats a good fact. I'm waiting for him to respond before I vote anyone.

No. It isn't. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Alvin, Llama is saying that he is not 100% of Iron's alignment, not role.

can we please stop talking about what is a good mafia NK move and what is a bad NK mafia move.

shit, i really hate it when i agree with CKD.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You make some good points BM. Still, I think Firestarter's exchange with ZS looks genuine, or at least something that FS wouldn't be able to pull off that well.

I wouldnt be so sure. He seems like a smart enough guy to me. Hence why he thought he could pull of the bussing, and apparently why he thinks he can out argue me, when the facts are right there in front of us. Let's face it, when you are scum in that position, you dont have a whole lot of choice.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Here is where I am hung up a bit and it may come from only playing for *looks at signup date* a little less then three months.

It’s pretty hard to see them as not being buddies… - ZombieSlayer had said something along the lines of, "we lynch Firestarter today, and then when he comes up scum, we lynch this guy". Newb scum tend not to do that, because if they know that the first guy isnt scum, why would they make themselves look opportunistic and draw themselves against another target which will never happen?

Zombie flipped mafia spy. Now I do not know exactly what that role is and how it mixes in with the who knows who aspect of the game. It seems like a mix of traitor and rolecop, but who knows who is something that I dont know. Is this like the traitor where only ZS knows the scum, reverse of that or is it double blind?

I thought it was like traitor but if im wrong I do need to rethink this.

Interesting idea, i hadnt thought of that. I was more leaning towards the 'rolecop' side of the track, but you might be right. Either way, ZS definitely would have known who was scum, so his setting up multiple lynches stands. On the other hand, if FS didnt realise he was scum, that might explain why you guys dont think it feels like bussing from his part.

BM

[Battle Mage]

IronMan: The point is is that we get evidence on who is scum and who is town, and then we make a lynch decision off of that.

If we just went "No lynch" automatically everyday, we would never get any information.

It is kind of the same logic as hiring a teenager. Most of the time, employers will not hire a teenager because they have no working experience. Problem is, how is the teenager supposed to get working experience if he is not hired?

The same kind of logic applies here.

Oh, and I completely agree with Llama on his second paragraph in 72, along with the entirety of Amor's statement on 73.

Unvote, Vote Firestarter

.

Die scum die. Your buddy IronMan is going tomorrow.

Here's the post where Zombieslayer busses Firestarter in order to get a mislynch on Iron Man on the subsequent day.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The bolded parts are my responses

The bolded parts are parts I want examples/links/quotes of, that way I can refute any accusations you have.

Thank you.

Ok lets see:

subsequent interaction with scumbags - Are you actually denying that you interacted alot with the 2 confirmed scumbags early on in the game? It shouldnt take much of your time to go back and read for yourself, rather than me quoting the entire game.

Of course Im not denying it, thats plain to see, I was defending myself from attacks...

It’s pretty hard to see them as not being buddies… - ZombieSlayer had said something along the lines of, "we lynch Firestarter today, and then when he comes up scum, we lynch this guy". Newb scum tend not to do that, because if they know that the first guy isnt scum, why would they make themselves look opportunistic and draw themselves against another target which will never happen?

Please, quote the exact post

for me and the rest to see...
Im not gonna refute something "along the lines of"

Lol, you speak as if i actually WANT you to be able to refute my points. Call me arrogant, but im positive you are the play today. I dont think anything you can say is going to change that, so i'd rather save everyone the time, and not fill the thread with trash.

Just as the interaction between FS and ZS was looking less buddyish - at this point in the argument between you two, it actually started to look like you actually weren't buddies. Up till then, it had seemed very false, but for a while, you did look protown.

Again, quotes/links help here..
I was attacked by a whole host of players at various stages...

Lol, and i'm DEFINITELY not finding quotes to defend you. Surely that's your job?

the bussing of the largest wagon. - Again, look at Shadowgirl's replacement into the game. If i recall, she immediately votes for you, who was already the largest wagon, which is obviously indicative of you being buddies.

Obviously..????
This is reaching, as is the last 2 points you've made without the benefit of quotes being posted....
She did immediatly vote for me.. as scum trying to hop the town wagon, which is exactly what it was at this point.

Lol, can i just point out at this point that one of those 'last 2 points' was actually an attempt to excuse FS's actions. The problem we have here, is that he isn't reading any more. He's on auto-OMGUS mode.
Now, i really dont think that a scumbag replacing into a game immediately hopping onto a reasonably large town wagon without much comment is very likely. Far more likely is that she did so onto a wagon of her buddy- that way it works very well as distancing, when the inevitable death of 1 of u occurs.

Friendly interaction REEKS of scumbuddies. - Despite voting for you, she seems very cordial towards you. Likewise, upon recieving a vote, you say "welcome aboard". Welcome aboard to the game, or to the rapidly crumbling scumteam? It seems very unnatural.

I seem to remember welcoming you to the game BM in 532, and I also recall some banter regarding sigs... Again, another far reach...

You seem to like these mafia phrases. Shame you aren't using them in the right context. It isn't reaching to say that "welcome to the game" is slightly different to "welcome aboard". Nor is it reaching when i say that your reaction to SG's vote was very different to your reaction to my vote, or anyone else's during the game.

Then tries to set up pressure on LF - I believe when you hopped on the SG wagon, you said that after her, LF would be the next to go. Presumably this was before he claimed Mason.

Incorrect....
When I placed my vote on SG, LF had claimed. [Post 482]
I was going to go back and look into his voting patterns, as I initially seen something before he claimed, and I stated in post 490 that I had no reasons to think the claim as being bogus. I also mentioned I would not be multiposting for those very reasons.

Wait, you lost me there. So you voted for the claimed mason after he claimed...why exactly?

Ive mentioned it above, and Ill mention it again....

If your gonna accuse me of anything, please link back to quotes you are reffering to...

Erm, how about...no?
It's not my job to make your life easier. Nobody else seems to be having problems understanding what i'm saying, and i think you are quite capable of reading for yourself. It's time you started playing for yourself.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry about the lack of posting. I've been really busy lately. I'll try to get in a quick post later tonight.

your vote is all we need at this point. Unless you are scum, and FS isnt. In which case, you'd better get working on a defence!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Firestarter

Jas is scum. He comes back and lays a vote on the person with the most besides him. And doesn't back it up.

Vote: Jas

In fairness, what more can he say? It's pretty damn obvious that Firestarter is the play. By lending his vote, he's done more than most of you.

@CKD- Actually it makes you WORSE. Firstly, you should know better. Secondly, you requested a claim and put him at -1. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

In fairness, what more can he say? It's pretty damn obvious that Firestarter is the play. By lending his vote, he's done more than most of you.

As Ive already mentioned, Im away with my better half atm.. but after this, I just couldn't resist one post...

@BM...

ARE YOU SERIOUS????

What more could he say???

Em.. let me see...!!!

He could respond to everything thats been thrown his way...

Maybe. But as far as i can see, very little of it has any real value.

He could try and build a case...

Not really necessary when we consider the already existing case against you.

And you, BM, would do better to recognise obvious scumplay....
What are you afraid by placing your vote on [jas]???

Why do you want me to drop a hammer on someone before letting them claim?

And why oh why do you think Im scummier than him???

I'd rather lynch someone for acting scummy than for doing nothing.

You keep saying Im the play of the day, and totally ignore what [jas] has done...

???

Surely it's what he HASN'T done that is important. A Jas lynch is too...easy. I dont push soft wagons, because they roll by themselves.

BM

[Battle Mage]

we have so many people avoiding the Jas wagon, i get the strong impression he is a mislynch.

BM

[Battle Mage]

we have so many people avoiding the Jas wagon, i get the strong impression he is a mislynch.

BM

well, we have already knocked out 2 scum, how many more do you think there are, to have this impression?

1.

[Battle Mage]

so if we have one scum left, why do you think that "so many people avoiding the lynch" means it is a mislynch...

because it means there are lots of people fitting my criterion for scum behaviour in the case of a mislynch. Meaning assuming this guy is not scum, we dont really have a lead to go off.

BM

[Battle Mage]

but shouldnt the same be applied to FS?

I dont think so, no.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You think there's not much on Firestarter as compared to... [jas]? The [jas] case to me essentially seems to be that he's lurking and following the trend, which mafia

members do do

, and I certainly don't think he's particularly likely to be town. His last "post" actually reassures me though. If he were just trying to stay in the shadows he likely would have posted some sort of explanation. But a post with just a vote does draw a lot of attention to you. At the moment it seems like [jas] is lurking less as a strategy and more because of lack of time/desire to play. Which doesn't neccesarily mean he's town, but I don't think he's particularly scummy either.

Well part of my problem is that I am increadably obstinant, especially when I have a town read on a player which I have on FS. I *usually* am better at figuring out who is town then who is scum, more of a deconstructive proof.

How the hell can you have a town read on FS? You just blew my mind. Srsly. 0.o
I really hate people who tunnel-vision and arent willing to change their minds in the face of strong evidence against them. I can be just as bad myself, but at least i'm trying to work on it. lol

jas just sets off bells to me though, he never took a strong stance on the no lynch, despite leaning towards FS. Still seemed looking for a reason to lynch iron post claim. Leaned FS over ZS (to scum this would of looked like town over town) which would allow continuation of FS lynch. Yeah that it from him.

ZS was town? :S

BM

[Battle Mage]

ah i see. Well, i must disagree, but thats your opinion i guess.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I've already stated twice that Llamafluff is in fact my mason partner.

There was nothing in my role pm concerning whether or not he was a false mason or mafia mason or whatever, but I sincerely doubt that we're going to get that in a mini game with two mafia already lynched.

I dont care if you have stated twice that Llama is your mason partner..I want to know if your ALIGNMENT is noted. Everytime I have been a mason, the PM said I know the alignment of my mason "brothers" or if I dont....

as far as I am considered, neither of your alignments are confirmed....

qft. In fact, with 2 mafia power roles dead already, i wouldnt be atall surprised to see a mafia mason make the set.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@LF, I think youv'e clicked something in your last post...

@BM

qft. In fact, with

2 mafia power roles dead already,

i wouldnt be atall surprised to see a mafia mason make the set.

BM

I seen the bolded part too, but didn't go to check it out....

This seems like knowledge a townie should not have....

Why did you think there were 2 mafia power roles dead already?

BM, please expand on this statement...

Have you seen this elsewhere?

Whats your reasons for thinking this could be in this thread?

UNVOTE: VOTE: Battlemage...

Normally your quite quick to respond....

Wow it seems someone is getting awful jumpy. Sorry for what appears to be a recent absence. With how quickly my other games have been moving, and this being my only game in Little Italy, it seems i may have neglected it

Ok, if what CKD says is true, as opposed to 2 dead mafia power role, we have a dead mafia power role and a dead mafia goon. I'm not sure who suggested that could equate to 'knowledge a townie should not have', nor why they would consider something that, regardless of affiliation is a MISTAKE, and thus NOT TRUE, to be 'knowledge'.

FoS: Whoever said that

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok,

now

it is taking awhile of BM to answer questions.

CKD, i'd be interested to see you take more of a stand than you are currently. What do YOU think of the accusation based on my mistake, and, more importantly, what do you think of the person who made it?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Let him respond CKD, its not like he will be lynched at this time...
There really is no need for the over reactive post.

I'd very much like to hear what he has to say about his latest post.

umm, why?

0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

OMG FS WHERE ARE YOU?! QUIT LURKERING!

BM

[Battle Mage]

A Mistake?
The fact you said 2 power roles makes me very suspicious of you, and regardless of you saying it was a mistake, you did say "2" power roles...

Ok, so please tell the court WHY this could be deemed scummy. You really are latching onto anything, and the funniest thing is, what you are saying, doesnt even make sense!

OMG FS WHERE ARE YOU?! QUIT LURKERING! [

BM

Why did you feel this was necessary?

Lol, i think before i answer your stupid questions, you can properly answer mine.

BM

[Battle Mage]

this game really isn't going to develop until either FS or myself are dead. Make it happen.

BM

[Battle Mage]

this game really isn't going to develop until either FS or myself are dead. Make it happen.

BM

I think this is very stupid, and I would probally vote for you over FS if I was forced to right now.

I am leaning to a jas or amor lynch right now, preferably amor. I will put up a case later tonight probally

FS is grasping with the two power role thing though, stop that.

I actually dont give a flying f**k. He is the final scumbag, and i'm quite happy to die first if thats what it takes to make you guys see that.

BM

[Battle Mage]

FS is grasping with the two power role thing though, stop that.

Hang on, BM accussed me of not making any sense... so he needed explaining of it once more...

Actually, i think your lovebuddy the DramaLlama is saying that you weren't making sense the first time either. Could be because you're not thinking before you speak, but i could be WAY off.

BM

[Battle Mage]

A Mistake?
The fact you said 2 power roles makes me very suspicious of you, and regardless of you saying it was a mistake, you did say "2" power roles...

Ok, so please tell the court WHY this could be deemed scummy. You really are latching onto anything, and the funniest thing is, what you are saying, doesnt even make sense!

OMG FS WHERE ARE YOU?! QUIT LURKERING! [

BM

Why did you feel this was necessary?

Lol, i think before i answer your stupid questions, you can properly answer mine.

BM

Isn't it obvious?
I guess, just for your benefit, I can explain again...
You clearly stated that

"2 Mafia power roles"

were lynched...

This is incorrect,

there is only 1 Mafia power role lynched.

This can be taken 2 ways..

1. You made an error....
or
2. Your scum, you know that there is more than 1 power Mafia role, and it was a freudian slip on your part.

Wrong. The second way doesn't make sense, because even if i DID know there was another mafia power role, which in order to lynch me for, you would be subject to scrutiny of knowing yourself, as is the nature of WIFOM, I DIDNT SAY THAT. I said, more than 1 mafia power role had DIED. Now, if i was mafia, and i had an additional power role on my side, why the hell would i be any more likely to think that it was dead? If anything, being Mafia, i'd be MORE aware of who was and wasnt on my team. Such is the nature of being an INFORMED minority. -.-

The way we lynch scum, is by analysing posts.. correct?
Well, you dont need to be a scientist to analyze what you posted in relation to there being "2 scum power roles lynched..."

I hope this clears things up for you...

I just want to say now, for the record, so you are under no illusions about my view of your ability at this game- when this is over, if you come up town, i strongly recommend you go back to newbie games for a bit. I dont even mean this as an insult. If you come up with scumtells, they have to make sense, and some smaller games with patient experienced players, could be the making of you. Even in a mini game, we're at a loss as to what to do with you, because you arent thinking for yourself.
Regardless of whether you genuinely managed to nail 2 scum, you cant honestly claim merit for something that was wholly derived of OMGUS. I'm far from a mafia expert, but i am able to say that i can tell whether something can be considered a scumtell or not. This is a skill you lack, and it will land you in a whole heap of crap if you venture into larger games before you can acquire it. There's a skill i too sometimes lack, which you could also do with gaining, and that is, remaining open-minded, and not just turning everything into a scumtell because thats what you want to see. I'm as guilty of this as you are, but if you can tackle that too, you could become a good player, instead of annoying the hell out of everyone, and generally being a detriment to your own side.

As for your 2nd point? WTF, are you serious... me .. lurking...
How was I lurking exactly??
Your really dragging it out now...

erm i was KIDDING. Another thing you gotta learn - Mafia is a GAME. Sometimes people joke around a bit. Alot of people use irony and sarcasm in their posts. Take a chill pill, and read things through a couple times before you fly off the handle.

this game really isn't going to develop until either FS or myself are dead. Make it happen.

BM

The game develops through discussion and lynching... not just lynching...

Why are you in such a hurry for the day to end BM?

We have another 14 days RL days before this day is forcibly ended...

I feel we've discussed enough. I'm not in a hurry for the day to end- i dont know where u got that impression. But i am anxious to see you lynched today. And ftr, the final lesson i will give you today- it's not always ideal to leave the game until the deadline itself.

Oh and while we're giving Mafia Lessons, here's an example of a scumtell:

Why are you in such a hurry for the day to end BM?

Why have you bolded this question? It's not like it needed emphasis for my benefit. As such, i have to assume you are directing the question at the town, as opposed to me. This is scummy, because instead of actually awaiting an answer, you are trying to be persuasive by asking a rhetorical question and appealing to authority. Basically, it's glorified shit-stirring. Oh, and i almost forgot. The fact that the entire point you are trying to make it based on non-existent evidence.

I really hope this helps. You can thank me when people start INVITING you to join their games.

BM

[Battle Mage]

sorry, need to be more organised. will post more tomorrow.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Waiting for more votes on Amor, more player analysis from jas, BM to stop being stubborn (which may take a long time)

hypocrite. It unnerves me that you seem 100% sure FS is town. In the event of him not being scum, i'll be looking at you. Mason claim, or otherwise.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wrong. The second way doesn't make sense, because even if i DID know there was another mafia power role, which in order to lynch me for, you would be subject to scrutiny of knowing yourself, as is the nature of WIFOM,

I DIDNT SAY THAT. I said, more than 1 mafia power role had DIED.

Now, if i was mafia, and i had an additional power role on my side, why the hell would i be any more likely to think that it was dead? If anything, being Mafia, i'd be MORE aware of who was and wasnt on my team. Such is the nature of being an INFORMED minority. -.-

______________________________________________________________

I just want to say now, for the record, so you are under no illusions about my view of your ability at this game- when this is over, if you come up town, i strongly recommend you go back to newbie games for a bit. I dont even mean this as an insult. If you come up with scumtells, they have to make sense, and some smaller games with patient experienced players, could be the making of you. Even in a mini game, we're at a loss as to what to do with you, because you arent thinking for yourself.
Regardless of whether you genuinely managed to nail 2 scum, you cant honestly claim merit for something that was wholly derived of OMGUS. I'm far from a mafia expert, but i am able to say that i can tell whether something can be considered a scumtell or not. This is a skill you lack, and it will land you in a whole heap of crap if you venture into larger games before you can acquire it. There's a skill i too sometimes lack, which you could also do with gaining, and that is, remaining open-minded, and not just turning everything into a scumtell because thats what you want to see. I'm as guilty of this as you are, but if you can tackle that too, you could become a good player, instead of annoying the hell out of everyone, and generally being a detriment to your own side.

_____________________________________________________________

erm i was KIDDING. Another thing you gotta learn - Mafia is a GAME. Sometimes people joke around a bit. Alot of people use irony and sarcasm in their posts. Take a chill pill, and read things through a couple times before you fly off the handle.

this game really isn't going to develop until either FS or myself are dead. Make it happen.

BM

_____________________________________________________________

I feel we've discussed enough. I'm not in a hurry for the day to end- i dont know where u got that impression. But i am anxious to see you lynched today. And ftr, the final lesson i will give you today- it's not always ideal to leave the game until the deadline itself.

Oh and while we're giving Mafia Lessons, here's an example of a scumtell:

Why are you in such a hurry for the day to end BM?

Why have you bolded this question? It's not like it needed emphasis for my benefit. As such, i have to assume you are directing the question at the town, as opposed to me. This is scummy, because instead of actually awaiting an answer, you are trying to be persuasive by asking a rhetorical question and appealing to authority. Basically, it's glorified shit-stirring. Oh, and i almost forgot. The fact that the entire point you are trying to make it based on non-existent evidence.

I really hope this helps. You can thank me when people start INVITING you to join their games.

BM

Ok.. Heres your quote... theres no ifs & buts there, you implicitly said "2"
No hesitation, no nothing...

Well, duh. Are you really trying to tell me that you don't think 2 is greater than 1? This is exactly why i might seem like i'm talking down to you. You come out with the most utter bullcrap i've ever seen on MS. You question the most obvious of facts, and chase the most unassuming of shadows.

qft. In fact, with 2 mafia power roles dead already, i wouldnt be atall surprised to see a mafia mason make the set.
BM

Ive pointed out something I believe to be a scumtell, whether its a big or small scumtell is irrelevent, its a scumtell.

This is what i want to emphasise here, rather than wasting my time picking through the garbage. Can EVERYBODY please give their thoughts on whether they feel my comment could be seen as a scumtell.
I want people's opinions down on this. I'd especially like to hear from CKD, because i know he will give the correct answer, and Llama, because i want to see if he'll reach so far to defend FS as to defend his idiocy too.

It seems your blaming me for my imminent lynch... and trying to excuse any blame attached to yourself for voting me after Ive been lynched.

Maybe. Well, it's pretty clear that it's your fault you are being lynched. I dont expect you to see that though, which is why you arguing with me is pointless. I'm right, you're wrong. Handle it. If you're town, i'll face the consequences for being wrong. But you have to bear in mind, if you are lynched as town, i wont be the only townie on the wagon. The fact so many people see you as scum should prove a reminder enough that something is wrong with your play.

On that note... I dont need your lessons, thank you.

Actually, i wasn't offering. I don't have the time or the patience to teach newbies. But i do feel you could benefit from a sort of 'minder' to keep an eye on you, and take you through a couple games.

As what your doing is blind.. your tunnel visioned on me something fierce, and have been since you replaced in.

This is true, and i totally agree. It's probably my greatest weakness, and it's one i share with a hell of alot of players on MS, ranging from the very new, to the very experienced. But, in a game like Mafia, you cant fight logic. Every bit of logic in me, and in the thread, says you are scum. Some people see that, some people don't. But from where i'm sitting, the case against you is very strong, and i'm certain enough to lynch you for it. The role of a townie is to lynch the scummiest player. That's why any half decent townie will be on your wagon at this point.

As for the post with the "Joking" about me lurking...
I didn't need to respond to it the first time you posted it, as I knew you were taking the piss, but when I subsequently asked you a question, you deflected away from it by asking me to answer your questions first.

Thats why I did respond to it...

ok.

Im not willing to let the game reach deadline, what gave you that thought?
I stated we had 14 days left, not that we should wait until that time...

You used the time when the day is forcibly ended as the time we should run our lynch by.

And my point exists, why did you feel it so necessary to personally attack me over such a null tell, in your words?

I dont understand what this is in response to, because you haven't quoted properly...

Im also not to happy about the fact your willing to sacrifice yourself just to see me lynched...
Theres one thing being scum, and having a coherent case against me..
But theres also quite another me being an annoying townie in your eyes..and wanting me lynched for that..

Who said you were an annoying townie?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Waiting for more votes on Amor, more player analysis from jas, BM to stop being stubborn (which may take a long time)

hypocrite. It unnerves me that you seem 100% sure FS is town. In the event of him not being scum, i'll be looking at you. Mason claim, or otherwise.

I know im stubborn, that was ment to be sarcastic. I just dont like FS as the lynch today given how he interacted with ZS and SG. From past experiance traitor/spy knows who scum is, and I dont think ZS behaived like someone who knew who scum was and was supposed to get them information. SG is also iffy to me.

FS town and you will be up my list a bit too, I at least have been explaining myself as to why I dont want a FS lynch, you are more ignoring my Amor case.

Correction- you've ATTEMPTED to explain why you dont want an FS lynch. Dont be under any illusions that i'm buying any of it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

2nd.. Im a townie, and your case is more based on me being annoying from what I can see, what with the personal jabs & such...

I beg to differ. For starters, the reason you are annoying, is because you are making ridiculous points on bogus reasoning. I feel dirty even using the word 'reasoning' there. Because you are using this to push a lynch, i HAVE to see it as scummy, because i can't see how you could do this as town. But maybe i am over-estimating you as a player?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why are you in such a hurry for the day to end BM?

Why have you bolded this question? It's not like it needed emphasis for my benefit.
BM

Completly for your benefit.

I still dont see what this is in response to. 0.o

Ok.. Heres your quote... theres no ifs & buts there, you implicitly said "2"
No hesitation, no nothing...

qft. In fact, with 2 mafia power roles dead already, i wouldnt be atall surprised to see a mafia mason make the set.
BM

Ive pointed out something I believe to be a scumtell, whether its a big or small scumtell is irrelevent, its a scumtell.

Well, duh. Are you really trying to tell me that you don't think 2 is greater than 1? This is exactly why i might seem like i'm talking down to you. You come out with the most utter bullcrap i've ever seen on MS. You question the most obvious of facts, and chase the most unassuming of shadows.

I'm not sure who suggested that could equate to 'knowledge a townie should not have', nor why they would consider something that, regardless of affiliation is a MISTAKE, and thus NOT TRUE, to be 'knowledge'.

FoS: Whoever said that

1. What exactly seems to be the reason why your talking down to me?

I answered this in the above post. I try not to repeat myself if atall possible.

2. How exactly is you saying there were 2 mafia power roles dead, when only 1 was,

not a scumtell

?

For something to be a SCUMtell it has to be something SCUM WOULD DO. The clue is in the name. If something has a particular SCUM MOTIVE, then it can be deemed a SCUMTELL. If there is no more reason for someone to do or say something as scum than as town, then it is NOT a scumtell. This is the absolute basics of Mafia. If i was one of the older players now, i'd probably link you to the Mafia Wiki, so you can learn these mafia terms. But to be perfectly honest, i think more practice with newbie games will be more helpful.

3. What the hell is this meant to achieve >> "

Well, duh. Are you really trying to tell me that you don't think 2 is greater than 1?

"?
You did not refute anything I stated in that post, instead you questioned how stupid and full of bullcrap I was...

I'm pointing out that your original defence against my point was that 2 is not included in the phrase 'greater than 1', which you were hoping to use against me. You defy the most basic of mathematical principles!

It seems your blaming me for my imminent lynch... and trying to excuse any blame attached to yourself for voting me after Ive been lynched.

Maybe. Well, it's pretty clear that it's your fault you are being lynched. I dont expect you to see that though, which is why you arguing with me is pointless.

I'm right, you're wrong.

Handle it. If you're town, i'll face the consequences for being wrong. But you have to bear in mind, if you are lynched as town, i wont be the only townie on the wagon. The fact so many people see you as scum should prove a reminder enough that something is wrong with your play.

The word "MAYBE" just does not sit right there....

You deigned to ask, i gave an honest answer.

Me arguing with you is pointless??? Why, when you are attacking me?

If you were trying to defend yourself, you have done all you can. Currently i just see you digging a bigger and bigger hole for yourself.

Surely you would prefer me to answer your questions asap, rather than lurking and not giving a shit....

I'm not one of those players who sees an inherent merit in just arguing things over. When my chips are in, that's pretty much it. Certainly i might be willing to see otherwise IF you were actually contributing usefully.

[quote="FS2]
Theres also 3 people on my case at the moment, why should I be worried with my play when Im really comfortable that 1 of the 3 is scum..... if there are more than 1 scum left in this game, I'd be equally comfortable that both are on my wagon currently.[/quote]

Even if 1 is scum, that means 2 are town. Which, surprise surprise, means that there is SOME case against you.

As what your doing is blind.. your tunnel visioned on me something fierce, and have been since you replaced in.

This is true, and i totally agree. It's probably my greatest weakness, and it's one i share with a hell of alot of players on MS, ranging from the very new, to the very experienced. But, in a game like Mafia, you cant fight logic. Every bit of logic in me, and in the thread, says you are scum. Some people see that, some people don't. But from where i'm sitting, the case against you is very strong, and i'm certain enough to lynch you for it. The role of a townie is to lynch the scummiest player.

That's why any half decent townie will be on your wagon at this point.

Your logic is seriously flawed in this thread....
As stated in my previous post, in relation to the bolded part of your quote.... Any decent scumbag would also be on this wagon, through your logic...

No, because scumbags will frequently avoid mislynches. It's called DISTANCING. Another one of those mafia terms you should learn.

Im not willing to let the game reach deadline, what gave you that thought?
I stated we had 14 days left, not that we should wait until that time...

You used the time when the day is forcibly ended as the time we should run our lynch by.

Where did I say we should wait for the time to expire though?

You indicated it. That's enough.

And my point exists, why did you feel it so necessary to personally attack me over such a null tell, in your words?

I dont understand what this is in response to, because you haven't quoted properly

This is in relation to the above mentioned scumtell about you stating there were "2 scum power roles lynched"

What was a null tell from me, is being portrayed as a scumtell by you. Hence, quite obviously, there is something very wrong with your play, and it certainly warranted attack.

BM

[Battle Mage]

This is a post from Amor before ZS' lynch...

Eh, I don't see much in the case on ZS. It seems to mostly come down to him not believing in IM's claim, which is reasonable, since it hasn't been proven and all. I don't see a lot of reason for suspicion here.

This is one before SG was lynched

Well, FL's "I'll tell you guys my suspicions tomorrow" certainly worked out well.
I think that if the mafia spy really was unknown to the other members, it makes the case on SG a lot weaker, as well as any suspicion of LlamaFluff for getting off the ZS bandwagon suddenly. Will think this game over more.

Amor's very next post, without giving reasons in

ANY POST

beforehand, while stating in his previous post that he would think the game over, hammers SG.

Looking over ShadowGirl's posts, a lot of them are setting off my bullshit detector. So it looks like it's hammertime!

Vote ShadowGirl

You refused to see anything in the way of a case on ZS, and had no vote on him by the time he was lynched.
During all of this time, your suspicion was on Me, Iron Man, and at times, Llamafluff.
In regards to me, it was for the no lynch post, for IM the same, and the fact you did not believe his claim without any counter from anyone.
Later on you point an accusing finger at LF because he voted you, you being under the impression that LF tought you were bussing me.

You continue attacks on me, and refuse to see the case against SG...
At this point, its right to bring up that both ZS & SG are lynched scum....

You make no mention of SG until you

Hammered.

This to me, is getting rid of one scum to preserve another.. YOU, Amor.
In another post shortly after you lynched SG, you answer LF's question of why you quick lynched, your opening sentence is...

"Well, I was right, wasn't I"

Not exact, but what you said regardless.

For confirmation...

UNVOTE
VOTE: AMOR

I'll bite.

Unvote

What WAS the exact post? If you're gonna make a case based on what somebody said, at least make sure you have it right...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Correction- you've ATTEMPTED to explain why you dont want an FS lynch. Dont be under any illusions that i'm buying any of it.

Correction of the Correction - I have explained, whether you accept what I said or not is your choice. On the other hand you haven not really given me any reasons not to lynch Amor except that FS is scum. While this *technically* qualifies, it bypasses defending Amor and allows you to wagon him later without having to explain yourself.

So again - Why is Amor town? (without mentioning FSs alignment)

For this to constitute a valid point against me, you would be making the assumption that Amor is town, in which case you shouldn't be voting for him.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ BM...

Again, all Im seeing from you is "if your a townie, this & that, etc, etc...."

As for me not contributing, your having a laugh......

Did you miss my last post on Amor, because you didn't actually attack on that case....

Is it because you actually seen sense in it?

What are your thoughts on what Ive posted on Amor?
An unblinkered answer would be appreciated here...

No, it was more because i dont have an UNLIMITED amount of time to dedicate to this game. What with all these mega-posts from you that require correction, and having to deal with the DramaLlama, i havent had much time for anything else.

My thoughts would be that you made 1 valid point, and a second which you haven't really looked into. It's a start, but i'd like something a little more concrete.

BM

[Battle Mage]

V/LA from the 11th-13th. Im pretty sure people know what my thoughts are so there is no need to reiterate them though. Someone needs to force BM to comment on Amor though.

I hate masons...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Amor

[Battle Mage]

what happened to the FS case?

died of loneliness.

[Battle Mage]

what happened to the FS case?

i'm not talking to you (from now on)

[Battle Mage]

Well, it seems I better make my claim since I am L-1. The case(s) against my predecessor is (are) pretty damning and deadline is close, so I better not beat around the bush. Reading D1 with the knowledge of who flipped scum, he seemed to be aggressively attacking the wrong people and siding with mafia. 1 thing in his(my) defense is the 'spy' from my understanding is unknown to mafia. A traitor would know who mafia was, but a spy does not. He would have the ability to role hunt for a cop though.

So first, my claim (which I am baffled why amor would replace out of in this situation) :

Day kill vigilante (1 shot). This claim will obv be easy to confirm or prove false.

True. But i find it pretty hard to believe that somebody like Amor would have not used this ability by now, or even hinted at it. Why didnt you claim in your first post? Why did you need to read the entire game first? I'm not really buying this, and even if you can vig someone today, it isnt conclusive. But, i'll give you a shot.

proposal: Mass claim! 12 player game is typ. 3 scum. Probably one left. We have 2 mason (for now discounting one of them as scum - but not out of the realm of possibility - can you confirm if you are 100% sure your partner is town?). With 8 players left that leaves 6 suspects. I say we mass claim and I can shoot one player. Then town can vote me off if they still wish (if I am scum, then game over, right?). Even if wrong, your potential suspect list is significantly narrowed down.

If we do a popcorn mass claim, I would like FS to claim next.

I dont think a mass claim is logical at this point. Can you please check that ur shot doesnt end the day?

BM

[Battle Mage]

*facepalm* just read the above post. Why the heck would the Mod answer that question in thread?? 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

*facepalm* just read the above post. Why the heck would the Mod answer that question in thread?? 0.o

BM

I didn't confirm or deny the existence of a day-vig; I just said that if there is one, then his/her shot will end the day.

My question stands. Why even say that? It's raising all sorts of WIFOM in my head, because it wasn't so long ago that Khelvaster posted stuff in 1 of the games he was modding, and ended up giving the entire game away. I mean, assuming the Day-Vig was a fakeclaim, why would you post in thread? I'd certainly consider that meddling with the game, and i'd be PO'ed. Equally, if it is a fakeclaim, you would be getting the claimant out of a whole world of hurt, because we'd be far less inclined to test him, hence you would be, again, meddling with the game. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt simply because of you posting in thread, and whether that's logical or not, it's confused me. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

*facepalm* just read the above post. Why the heck would the Mod answer that question in thread?? 0.o

BM

I didn't confirm or deny the existence of a day-vig; I just said that if there is one, then his/her shot will end the day.

My question stands. Why even say that? It's raising all sorts of WIFOM in my head,

If you know it is WIFOM, it should not be too hard to ignore it. Just look at the post as if I said I PM'd the mod and was told my shot would end the day. In the end it still comes down to if you believe me or you don't and you should review my actions to determine it - not the mod's. If you think it was a poor modding choice, I would appreciate it if you took it up after the game. All you are doing by questioning the action in thread is encouraging a response from the mod which in turn would raise even more WIFOM.

if you read the rest of my post, you should see it's not as simple as that. In fact, as far as i'm concerned, you have gone from probably scum to probably town because of that.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Bio- i did respond to your previous post last night but the site went down, and i really cba to rewrite it. Suffice to say, you can test your ability today, as you would do anyway, but in a game with mafia power roles, it does not confirm you either way. It seems a fairly pointless exercise in my mind, because scum arent likely to be so willing to claim a role and prove it if they dont have it

BM

[Battle Mage]

I may not have internet access from now until Friday evening. I'll post if and when i can, but consider me on holiday

BM

[Battle Mage]

numerically that must be a candidate for best town performance

I was wrong about FS, but it takes two to tango
And i still hate masons. My greatest bane...

Btw, i only found this thread because im updating my game record, and found it on the list. 0.o
Sorry i may have disappeared for a rather long period of time. lol

BM