Mini 595 - Game Over

[curiouskarmadog]

will attack this game in the next 72 hours (or at least begin the reread).

also mod you dont know me well enough to have my name listed as "f curiouskarmadog"..(joke see 1st post)

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also,

unvote

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been super busy...hitting this game today.

[curiouskarmadog]

started reading...will do a play by play as a go...I will post them in sections...coming soon...have two games with close deadlines and have required my free time.

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OK here we go…just making notes as a go…will post as I go…at the end, will make a post doing a player by player breakdown.

Page 1:

Confirming and random votes, looks like a mini wagon developing on Llama

Page 2:

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Unvote

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That'll teach me to go and have breakfast in between loading the page and putting a vote in...

Wow, this was a strange post and unvote.

As it always does Day 1, conversation of theory develop.

unvote Vote: SD_Reaper

Even after we explained Random bandwagons are anti-town, you still do it. Why?

no one has explained why random wagons on page 2 is bad. Didnt said random wagon lead to this conversation?

Ugh votes for no lynch…did I replace into a newbie game?

Page 3:

More conversation of theory, also seeds of scum hunting developing.

FoSes flying, “are no lynch votes scummy?” Ironman and FS taking heat.

FS non-random wagon develops.

Page 4:

FS with a sad counter/OMGUS attack on zombie (80).

Vlad thinks Iron and FS are acting as a team (not could be, I note), also one of the first to acknowledge lurkers (93).

(95) Alvin reread, pushes a case against FS, but only FoS in fear of putting FS at -1.

FS pleads for life, Zombie wants a claim.

Mostly think that llama’s post (99) is good posting.

Page 5:

5 posts later Alvin decides to put FS (at what he thinks is) -1..noted.

FS claims vanilla (I think).

Llama keeps pushing Vlad

(105) FS says that Llama is trying to get a fast lynch going…(I don’t see this).

FS posts about lurkers and votes one…happens to be the same that Vlad is pushing.

(117) Ironman admits lying low and lurking. He thinks FS is scum.

Surge of lurkers make small comments and vote (guess a round of prods went out)

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All I got time for right now…

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Page 6:

Mod is lacking in vote counts.

(129) FS Foses Iron for his admitted lurking. (like this post)

Llama appears to be scum hunting.

(131) Amor accuses FS of deflecting (I agree)

FS denies (ugh)

Iron Man vote FS, FS OMGUS votes Iron Man (yawn)

FL replaces Xan

FL enters with a reread (142) and attacks Iron Man and FS (both vote leaders, I don’t like FL’s angle of attack at this point, FL points toward “appeals of emotion” and “newbie cards” as scummy action. Sometimes it is, in this case I am not seeing. I am also noting a lack of vote..you think they are scummy, why no vote??)

IM argues with Llama, Vlad argues with Llama, Llama argues with both..

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Will try to get a couple more pages in later.

You can respond to my points if you want but remember I a.) haven’t read the game in completion and b.) wont address them until I am done rereading.

[curiouskarmadog]

got my prod..am here, getting my game up and running, then will be able to finish reading.

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ok, I have been super busy with getting my game going..it is now going..this is one of 2 games I am going to get up to speed before I go away next week on vacation...going page by page is going to take to long...so I am going to read it and just get into the game....I hope the game hasnt been slow because people are waiting on me to post.

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on vacation..see sig

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I am back from vacation, but have a million things to address...sorry that this game has taken a back seat. I ask you not vote me out for lurking (but understand if you do) for I have been lnyched in another game for "lurking" though I have stated I was on vacation and RL issues multiple times...I am hoping to address this game this week..Llama, please state your questions that you need answered and I will tackle those first.

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ok, RF does not give any indication how he investigated yesterday..I am a little confused about this post.

Where is jas and RealityFan? We need prods on people who haven't posted since day break.

Sorry, my computer broke down. The claim is believable, and the Shadow case seems well built. The fact it's coming from a confirmed just gives it more weight.

Vote:Shadow

who was the "confirmed" that RF was talking about. Could be a clue who he investigated last night.

going to review posts, votes, and timing. Also Llama, you really are barking up the wrong tree...I have been busy and on vacation...trying to catch up now...will try to do a PbP on all players this week.

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Wow. my old friend CKD doesnt even give me a welcome to the game.
Too distracted trying to save his own ass? You guys must be doing well!

BM

ha, you have replaced in all my games BM...I personally think you are stalking me.

reading the game, I would have been on the firestarter bandwagon (for you did come across scummy the first bit of the game) in the first 10 pages or so if I was around then....however, later you are only a glimmer compared to Zombie and Iron Man (who I guess we are saying is town).

Not seeing Amor, BM, or alvinz as scum, but I need to reread given the known alignments of Zombie and shadow.

jas was pinging my radar for most of the read..but again need to reread.

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But i'd be interested to hear what you have on Jas, because im most of the way through and havent noticed ANYTHING noteworthy about his play.

BM

exactly

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LF, sorry if this is a repeat question, do you and IM know each other's alignment?...or just that both a mason?

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LF, sorry if this is a repeat question, do you and IM know each other's alignment?...or just that both a mason?

Role is mason, not unconfirmed mason so I am saying yes.

everytime I have been a mason, I have been told if I know my partner's alignment or not. Right now, you are just a "confirmed" mason...that has no bearing on your alignment. Can you please recheck your PM or ask the Mod if you know what the alignment is of your mason partner.

I have seen games that a mason partner was mafia...so this is an important thing to clarify.

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Alvin, Llama is saying that he is not 100% of Iron's alignment, not role.

can we please stop talking about what is a good mafia NK move and what is a bad NK mafia move.

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reread is coming along...

planning on doing a vote analysis and a PbPlayer break down.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote jas

....though, I guess this vote makes me as bad as him...I have reread..I just havent had the time to post more than a sentence or two in most games.

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thats -1L...claim.

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And you, BM, would do better to recognise obvious scumplay....
What are you afraid by placing your vote on [jas]???

And why oh why do you think Im scummier than him???

You keep saying Im the play of the day, and totally ignore what [jas] has done...

umm, at this point, if BM votes jas, it would be a lynch..why are you afraid of jas' claim before BM votes anyone?

and what has jas done in your opinion?

unvote

for a moment.

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how many scum do you think is left?

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did we ever figure out if Llama knew the alignment of Iron yet?

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did we ever figure out if Llama knew the alignment of Iron yet?

Yes, he's my mason partner.

we have established the ROLE..what I want to know is do you know for sure his ALIGNMENT? Does you PM say you know he is town?

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we have so many people avoiding the Jas wagon, i get the strong impression he is a mislynch.

BM

well, we have already knocked out 2 scum, how many more do you think there are, to have this impression?

[curiouskarmadog]

so if we have one scum left, why do you think that "so many people avoiding the lynch" means it is a mislynch...

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but shouldnt the same be applied to FS?

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Okay, by way of explanation. Yes, I put myself out there with the vote. I did it to gauge reactions though. I'll leave you all to draw your own conclusions on those reactions for now.

thinking this statement is bullshit. What conclusion did you draw? If you have drawn conclusion, why have you not told us what they were yet?

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also has this question been answered and I have missed it...I would like both Llama AND IM to answer.

in your PM, are you told that you know the ALIGNMENT of your mason partner?

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I've already stated twice that Llamafluff is in fact my mason partner.

There was nothing in my role pm concerning whether or not he was a false mason or mafia mason or whatever, but I sincerely doubt that we're going to get that in a mini game with two mafia already lynched.

I dont care if you have stated twice that Llama is your mason partner..I want to know if your ALIGNMENT is noted. Everytime I have been a mason, the PM said I know the alignment of my mason "brothers" or if I dont....

as far as I am considered, neither of your alignments are confirmed....

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also IM, I wnt to know WHY you think jas is a good lynch today.

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hmmm, so what BW to join...ugh...

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So you did. I still stand by that you are the right lynch though. Any thoughts on any player apart from FS though?

@CKD - This obsession with the mason thing is making me uneasy right now for a few reasons.

1) You were one of my top suspects coming into today, you replaced someone I considered scummy and we quick lynched (grrr) D2

2) You really are making a point of having a hard time deciding between wagons, which is starting to make me wary that both are on town and you are setting up two mislynches

3) You are pushing the mason thing which I dont see as something that is to be of concern, I see no way at all Iron-scum would let me live. All he would of had to do was NK me and say that the role said confirmed town.


So this is just me being confused again. I want jas lynched, I want CKD lynched as assuming one scum I would put them in that pair. I still have a hard time really getting my head around a FS lynch, possibly because I used him as town in my entire SG case and that played out so well. BM is annoying me to death because of my thoughts on FS are so conflicting with him (and partially because this has been the first time since what, page 10 Ive been challenged as town leader *lol*). Just confused here, I am second guessing a lot that is going on right now. I know its similar to what happened D1 and its just how I play, but I have that impending doom feeling and I dont want a sweep to get away from us.

wait you think I am scum, because I am not taking your mason claim at face value? again, everytime (4 now) I have been a mason I was told rather I knew my mason partners alignment (two of the times I didnt)....or you think I am scummy because I wont hammer yet? You yourself just stated you were conflicted. It is ok for you to be conflicted but not me? Why are you pressuring me to hammer. rereading you and IM were my top suspects, so the Mason claim surprised me. Dont give the those WIFOM arguements to defend yourself LET ME MAKE UP MY OWN MIND...are you trying to end the day earlier than need be? Also didnt you make a comment earlier that you didnt know why scum hadnt killed one of you two yet?...comments like that make we question your claim.

and speaking of WIFOM, why am I scummy for not hammering?..if I had hammered jas and he turned out to be town, would you think any better of me?...no..that is called tunnel visioning..every word..every action, your mind is morphing into a scum motivation....back off.

still waiting for IM to answer my question.

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still waiting for IM to answer my question.

also IM, I want to know WHY you think jas is a good lynch today.

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FS, your thoughts on Llama's thoughts in reference to me?

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woah what? you are voting him already becacuse he didnt respond fast enough for your tastes?..this almost seems like you were going to vote him no matter his answer.

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wait, I am over reacting?! You just voted someone because they did not respond fast enough. when I call you out on this ridiculous vote, you say I am over reacting...which is untrue...if anyone hear needs to calm down, it is you.

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hear=here

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ok, done another reread...I dont think that IM and Llama are that scummy..not because of their play (because I have not been impressed with IM at all), but because of the voting patterns of Zombie and Shadow...

someone popped out to me though...

Amor, what do you think you have done that has been pro-town? How do you think your play has been in the game? What would you change and why?

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I thought you wanted BM to answer first..what changed..and if something changed, why is your vote still on BM?

but to answer your question.

looks like an oversight. two mafia power roles have not been killed..one was a goon, the other was a spy. it doesnt look like inside knowledge to me. as for the bit with the mason, as I stated I am not taking th mason claim at face value. though I am starting to think that Llama and IM are indeed..town..

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Amor, do you think the votes and attacks from both Shadow and Zombie against FS was bussing?

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"bussing" = "distancing"

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ok,

now

it is taking awhile of BM to answer questions.

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ok,

now

it is taking awhile of BM to answer questions.

CKD, i'd be interested to see you take more of a stand than you are currently. What do YOU think of the accusation based on my mistake, and, more importantly, what do you think of the person who made it?

BM

I think I have made a pretty solid stance on this already..reread and you will find your own answer.

I dont think that FS is scum at the moment though, I am not impressed by his play or his vote, but I am dont think he is scum.

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Llama, Amor is right...the question (why are you town) was just silly...

going to reread Amor again in a vaccum...

[jas] I want you to do a player by player analysis...a sentence or two will do...but I want your stance and opinion of people today (game day)

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I am doubting BM is scum.

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ow, BM gets so testy....

vote Amor

mostly because I didnt like his hammer yesterday, not so much because of the speed of it..just how it was done.

Dont know where exactly I stand on the BM/FS exchange. I have been on the town receiving side of BM's attacks and know that sometimes his confidence blinds him. that being said, he sometimes has decent insights. Right now, I think that FS and BM are probably two townies bumping heads. If a gun was put to my head, I would say that BM is probably town out of the pair (atm).

I think that Amor is the lynch today, but might not shy away from a jas lynch at this point.

ALvin needs to comment and commit more.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am here..not much to say at this point...I like my vote where it is..jas, IM and alvinz needs to post more...

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got prodded, but really nothing to say at this point...I note FS out of no where attack on Amor, but really feel my vote is where it should be.

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Wow, and instead of responding to any of my points Firestarter immediately switches to another target. Nice.

this is a good point, Amor, please restate what you want FS to answer (I realize your reply is on this same page)..but humor me.

unvote

for now.

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With a deadline approaching, I would be willing to go back to a jas lynch. I know he is modding a game right now, so there is no reason for him to of just disappeared in this one.

Disappeared, or just nothing to say? I'm not one to speak unless I've got something to input. At the moment, the circular arguments aren't anything I want anything to do with, really...

so why are you not scum hunting, so we can avoid all these circular arguments?

dont you want to find scum?

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what happened to the FS case?

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man, I would love to say BM is scum right now..but due to my incredible meta of him..he isnt.

if he flips scum, I am asshole and deserve all the laughs given.

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well I got to vote..I dont like amor, [jas], and now FS...

out of those three I think that amor is most likely scum.

however, now we got to wait for a replacement..going to meta to see if amor is requesting replacements for all games.

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I agree, but for different ongoing meta reasons.

vote amor

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bionic welcome..you are at -1...

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alvinz, for the record, i thought that I presented the case, then Llama jumped on it..at least that is what my notes say will check to be sure.

unvote..I dont see why a.) amor didnt use the ability and b.) try to pressure or provoke people

I dont think a scum role would have been given an additional one shot kill, at least not in this set up (could be wrong).

I think you should use your ability today. i dont think llama and IM should be those choices.

that leaves, myself, BM, jas, FS and alvinz

from those I would say vig jas, lynch alvinz.

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grrr..bold

unvote

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that leaves, myself, BM, jas, FS and alvinz

from those I would say vig jas, lynch alvinz.

I change my mind on this..

vig jas, lynch FS...

went back over why I thought FS was town and it was mostly based on his attack of Zombie...I forgot that Zombie was a spy and FS didnt know that he was on the same team.

my intial gut in this game was the FS was scum...

also, I am against a mass claim today...tomorrow, will be fine for that, me thinks...however, before you vig someone..give them a chance to claim.

[curiouskarmadog]

well it is going to be obvious if we have one or not by the end of the day when Bio uses the ability.

[curiouskarmadog]

My claim is going to be tested either way, so it should not matter. I will be using my ability today. His post has no impact on that. Afterwards you can decide if scum would have the ability I do. You should not be any less inclined to test me now than you were prior to his post.

qft

this point needs to be dropped and is ultimately not going to go anywhere.

I dont think alvin should be the choice today to lynch or dayvig.

I think it should FS/jas..FS has quickly moved up my Dar.

vote FS.

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I think it should FS/jas..

FS has quickly moved up my Dar.

vote FS.

Why?

my intial read of you and I had you scummy, but didnt think scum would bus a partner in the manner you attack ZS...however, I forgot he was a spy and you didnt know that he was part of the mafia (if you are mafia).

next, I didnt like your votes...I felt your BM vote could be OMGUS (but that isnt that big of a deal to me)...but then you voted jas, amor, and alvinz..when they appear to the wagon of the hour.


Bio, then I say vig one of the two of FS and jas.

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unless they were able to convince the town not to use it...which I dont see him doing...a one shot day kill seems pretty powerful for scum (unless for some reason they dont get a kill tonight).

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good game all.

was wrong about FS (sorry), and [jas] was just a waste

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oh yeah, good going Bio on the vig...glad you replaced in.

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no, I didnt....I dont think i got that PM any way...if I recall right, I was just told I was vanilla.