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[Nepenthes]

hi neph

i really dont understand how you can be worried about Norwe-scum WKing Sirius-Town and still have your vote on Sirius-Town.

Its confuzzling to me

that is why I am voting you.

If you are actually town, can you please explain the above and also change your avatar to something less scary? <3 - Something bright and colorful with lots of yellow would be wonderful ^^

I cant explain this any more than i have

My vote on sirius is for unas reasoning exactly i agree with it and its just correct. its not possible to have a significantly strong read on sirius with his play

My saying sirius was probtown for norwees defense of them is not the same thing as thinking with any confidence sirius is town bc A) norwee could have used that defense on a scumbuddy too
B) Norwee isnt confscum

So im still willing to vote sirius bc again i dont care if hes town and im also not sure he is to begin with
AND norwee is not getting elimmed today in my opinion

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You haven't earned that nickname tw

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Btw if its not clear im back to thinking iv is close to locktown and you should too
Im not even at E-1 but NM is in this game so hardclaim pr

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I've done it. I've done it and been wrong, too.

Granted, it's usually over the course of multiple days, but I can probably find an example where it was a single day.

Can you find an example where it was within the hour

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BTW this argument is now fully hypothetical since iv claims it was a reaction test meaning i was right that the change was manufactured

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You haven't earned that nickname tw

i'll call you penth then

Okay worse nepz is fine

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UNVOTE: nep

Why?

she just hardclaimed PR

I was gonna be more explicit but its nice to see whos reading my posts

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I read 960 out of sick curiosity and i agree abt not discussing it anymore

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can we change the scary avatar tho neph

No i like my avatar
Im scared of sentient teddy bears but im not asking you to change yours

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it’s also like, imagine you’re scum getting wagoned in that spot kind of for no great reason? then the one townie who has kind of been on your side who you’ve been explicitly temporarily townread for a) not pushing b) solving or whatever (but with a noted intent to ‘watch’ me in particular, which I thought was interesting) suddenly for a no effort reason sheeps the herd

my first reaction as scum is not to omgus here, it’s to try to win back townie’s support and dig deeper into their process. there’s no real scum!motivation here that’s immediately obvious especially since I’m not even a coutnerwagon. town OTOH’s first reaction doesn’t care that Their one supporter just reversed 180, and it’s consistent with this whole intention of watching my content or whatever she was doing. aside from getting scumread for no reason all game it adds to the frustration. the omgus is not very well thought out, as SS was questioning correctly it’s not necessarily scummy for me to do what I did and there’s no obvious scum!motivation, but the only thing Nep was thinking about was whether or not she bought it as a real town process.

idk if I am confbiasing myself here but I think this gives me more confidence that Nep is town

Watching you was meant to be a directive to the game as a whole but i was also watching how you responded to my wagon and i maintain if that was a genuine turn scum you would have every reason to do it bc my elim still isnt assured
So i was watching for how the players joining the wagon were joining it


Anyways ivs attempts to sort me have been really good and tbh have contributed to my motivation to give this game my all

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i have no idea what your avatar is but after a day of reading your posts i am legit worried I will have nightmares

My avatar is Edea from momodora


Centipede demon

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I've been crumbing a PR quite hard to try to draw the Night Kill and IC Lavar slot, but the plan fails with a hard Pr claim

Sorry to fuck with your plan

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Im not comfortable tring una here at all
He isnt scummy or towny hes just playing good so far

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VOTE: Norwee

But anyone whos not a strong TR is fine

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Also let me be a brat and say that I felt certain that Nep was going to claim PR.

This is interesting, considering that Nep clearly softed VT and that's why my vote is still on her.

I was purposely trying to sound like a VT bc unlike what most of site meta seems to think softing your pr all over the place is fucking dumb
Fours plan makes sense bc he wanted to die

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He really made a new acct to fix the spelling
Water did you really see a slot in need of replacement and not only ISO it but run a meta check

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But he did have reads

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Theres literally no reason for me to claim more specifically except to avoid getting eliminated so im not going to unless forced
Im not living very long this game anyways
Do you care more abt me being able to come up with a good narrative later like that matters when im going to be getting hit with suspicion until im killed or eliminated
Than nerfing literally all of my usefulness by making my fullclaim?

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Fck it, who am I trying to fool here.
I just don't want to lose to a scum!Duck and that feeds into my paranoia for no good reason.

Tw isnt scum read my explanation why i think so
If you really feel like tryharding read some of the game/dead thread of the game im talking about for context

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We have three and a quarter days remaining, I recently bought Crusader Kings III and Monster Train is getting an update tomorrow.

Can we work together to get a consensus elimination so that I can dedicate the majority of my three day weekend to video games?

Yes this is good i also want to play video games this weekend
Vote norwee for good things

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Im unconvinced una is town at all good play does not make a player town as much as una would like that to be the case
No reason to think hes scum either besides a currently strong poe

iv and lilith get special townpoints for interrogating my posts multiple times w very obvious sorting intent
I hate SSs recent posting and his unvote timing felt weird bc idk if my insistence that softing is dumb actually resonated with him and hes willing to put the vote back with support
But i think i still tr him its just not lock anymore ill leave it to lilith

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our progress this game is amazing

Lmao

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There's like 3 people tunneling me for a vague "good things will happen <3!" non-reasoning.
This is a sad joke.
Can we please play the game for real now.

Im the one who said good things will happen but pretending i havent been SRing you and telling the thread why youre scum for a while now is laughs

Agree the days been going too long so lets kill it i will consolidate but getting norwee is best

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VOTE: Pooky

I know this is a stretch but bear with me. Saudade was posting good, like real good, and way outside their normal style. But what if they saw this Playlist and decided to actually play? And yeah, that's not a case, but i feel like Pooky had a high shade ratio in their posts and they aren't backing it up with votes. Hell he literally told someone else to case me while he wasn't voting me. That feels scummy.

Also, given that the consensus poe is pretty tight and it has me in it and I know im town, one of these consensus townreads has to be wrong and at the minute my money is on the bear.

Literally regardless of your read on pooky you know this wagon never ever happens today right
This isnt the time to go for the deepwolf lmao

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Yeah the PoE is tight yeah youre in it but there are other players in it too unless youre arguing all of the scum are being TRed right now. why not vote them

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Where did iv say a sirius elim was bad

@iv - Idk yet its a bad move if hes town or scum but its not a believable stance imo
Billy has to know the votes going nowhere and hes talking about one deepwolf not multiple so from that pov the poe hes in should have scum in it and he should know that

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yeah but like I also don’t expect to solve the game on D1 and to have my PoE down to exactly the size of the scumteam is like probably too much?

i think I’m just going to close my eyes and vote in there and reevaluate d2, this game feels like it 180’d in terms of activity so maybe it just needs something to happen for us to really start going for the solve

VOTE: Zombie apocalypse

I am done with this day I want a flip atp
Dont TR Zombie so id compromise this but i prefer norwee

@Una why does Billy look town to you now

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Wait yeah lol Billy kinda townspewed
Conditional townspewed but still

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Norwee what manga is your new avatar from

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I am done with this day I want a flip atp
Dont TR Zombie so id compromise this but i prefer norwee

Thought you'd like my catch up today.
Can you remind me your main points of why you scumread me? I wanna deconstruct your arguments too.

Why would I have liked your catchup
This is a weird post when you SR me so hard

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So what?
Like, why does it matter even the slightest bit that i said something random and kinda dumb?

But why wouldnt it matter
Its AI information in a game where people try to read other peoples motivations and you said something that calls your motivations into question
You also said its a symptom of your reads slowly changing which means theres info to be had in it
Of course it matters

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Sure but i want to know what about your catchup you think would affect my read
I first started SRing you when you voted me sheeping saudade
You had on read on me before but as soon as you had you started finding posts to call scummy that were numerous but unexplained
Made the read feel really manufactured and your reads since have had very surface level on the spot justifications
Both of your votes on billy have had this effect


I do agree billy towntold hard so your unvote there isnt bad but your move to iv for another flimsy one note reason and then to zombie just doesnt look good
Feels like youre just going through whoever you think you can get at the time and theres no underlying belief in your own reads or threads that get carried for more than a few irl days
That about sums it up

The read on me has stayed firmly in place but i currently think its bc im still a safe push target given no one but iv has TRed me and my wagon only lost momentum bc i claimed pr

Now your turn to talk abt why im scum im happy to have a talk that isnt us just sniping at each other

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I actually think scum are more likely to keep having the same reads constantly if it's convenient. I don't see why changing votes and reads on the same day are seen as scummy, it's one of those things that usually only town does, but somehow it's seen as a scum trait even though it's almost always wrong.

Im not talking about reads changing or contradictions happening but even town who change reads hold some part of those reads in them for longer periods of time
Its that your reads change based on singular events or reasonings and i havent seen evidence of your thoughts carrying through beyond the obvious

Its as if youre a new player joining the thread every time you make a case to change your vote
@tw were you the one who said something like this about norwee
I just dismissed it at the time so i dont remember who said it or if it was even about him now

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For any other reason than that? This is just OMGUS.

Ill avoid sarcasm and just say you cut this off from the related sentences below that explain my reasoning beyond gut
Initial SR from the vote was gut bc i expected scum could sheep the wagon there and gave you a quick iso

Choppy posting is something I do too obvs so I that but its not what im talking about really
I also didnt like your attitude towards me after the vote you started speaking to me as though you were sure i was scum almost immediately even though you only made the vote to begin with based on saudade
If you had some other reason to vote me besides not TRing me you did not make it clear

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It seem like you're adamant, who do you think would be scum with me?

I asked you to explain your scumread on me in return

if you flip scum like I think then my other reads already fit with that in mind (+ associatives in your ISO and others that become valuable) and if you flip town I reconsider more strongly
Putting in serious partner analysis before flips isnt gonna happen day 1

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Its as if youre a new player joining the thread every time you make a case to change your vote
@tw were you the one who said something like this about norwee

that's far too smart for me but it's not wrong

why aren't you pushing me harder btw?

Because I TR you

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I asked you to explain your scumread on me in return

Norwee you have no reason not to answer this

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I asked you to explain your scumread on me in return

Norwee you have no reason not to answer this

I’m tired.

I asked three hours ago and its a question you should already know the answer to

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Ok i’ll tell you.
It’s the posts i’ve been pointing out earlier. Your awkward PR claim. The fact that you don’t seem to have a focused scumread on anyone other than me. Not bothering with looking for associations on me even though you apparently scumread me so hard. Etc etc. I could go on.

Only the second sentence of this post explains the SR you had before my pr claim and it doesnt actually explain it
If youre too tired to play now go to sleep but if you think this is going to convince me youre solving or have a genuine read its not

Pedit - tw why are you resistant to a norwee elimination

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water dispenser would be a fine elim except I like their Billy townread.
Lavart_Mafia only scum it with four eyed (which is like, a fine solve)

Tw im really losing patience
Water would be a fine elim but they have one good read you like
Is your bar that low theres not a slot in this game that doesnt have a couple of towny moves

Im not actually mad but cmon man everyones treating this game like its impossible but its day 1 of course the PoE isnt gonna be godtier

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hi Nep check the vc.

Im fucking dumb sorry

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Bold of you to assume im caught up

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Idk d1 isnt when I worry about deepwolves
You dont catch scum FL on day 1 you catch scum [insert playername bad at scum that I havent named because Toxic]

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Do you want to talk about what reads youre worried about

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I am sorry for getting mad lets be friends again

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Folks if there are people that don't have me solidly in their townblock then I'm the elim. Sorry to cast off a read you feel positive about but ive got IV not sold, FED who still has me outside his townblock and Lillith seemed to suspect me pretty hard. Now I still have Lillith as a townread, but with FED pushing me, thats the logical play here. If you're not townreading me I should be the push. Let's not give scum a narrower window for the nk to hit a pr.

Ughhhhhhhhhhhh
I TR you this is dumb if youre scum youre suicidal and your gambit worked

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This is technically true but you can apply the same argument to any slot that is being scumread/not townread by a significant portion of players the difference being you yourself know youre town

The fact that you already claimed vt sucks but its not reason to auto elim you we might as well auto elim Four bc he already claimed and wont get nked either
Which i would prefer to killing billy if given the choice tbh

Idk the vc hold on but Im here til deadline

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So this is going well
Sorry norwee sorry town that was a shit d1

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What makes you think I have a result

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You are a visionary tw

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Hm
\Well anyways tw, I tried to track Una last night and got rbed/it failed

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Hes a loud good slot I dont tr so I thought his chances of performing a kill were decent
And if not I could get a result that could corroborate/disprove a later PR claim

And admittedly part of it was also his yelling abt my claim lol

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What are you even confirming there lmao

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No rolestop means I shouldnt have been able to be targeted by any actions last night ie not able to be roleblocked or killed

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Fullclaim unmodified tracker I targeted Una, got no result, just to be clear

I dont think scum Una sacs himself like this to get me miselimmed tbh Idk about the benefits to that when Im already in a bad position
But also god it feels so convenient
Which is probably how my no result looks from the outside too so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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You know I thought abt fakeclaiming that Id tracked Una to the kill just to see what yall would do but I didnt want to make another PR claim for a stupid reason
Lol

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Una Rolestop also functions as a doctor
Why didnt you use it for that

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Actually dont answer that not that I think you would

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I just didnt get the impression you believed the claim at all
Una being a rolestopper who got rolestopped is abt the same level of possible as me being roleblocked and Una also being roleblocked

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Guess Im bad at PR management then
Would not surprise me at this point

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Have you played with scum Elements SS

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My confidence is shot and Im not TRing him so................ sure I guess

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Unspoiled Norwee in the dead pt right now is probably trying to force choke me

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Even if Zombies claim is legit youre never getting results from it
Ive learnt my lesson about crumbing I guess its necessary

Gonna take a day away from the thread and come back with scum to pursue day 3 so dont eliminate me yet ty

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You know I thought abt fakeclaiming that Id tracked Una to the kill just to see what yall would do but I didnt want to make another PR claim for a stupid reason
Lol

But... like why would town!Nep have this thought much less make this post...

Eff it

VOTE: Nep

Why not
I wanted to see if I could get anything useful from my no result and since I was rbed scum would know I was lying but town wouldnt
And I decided not to bc it could prompt more PR claims in response
But its funny bc we got two claims anyway without me having to do anything lol

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SS have we not established at this point I know fuck all about setups or mechanics

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Neapolitans test if players are vanilla townies how does that CC me

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I am not thrilled abt the prospect of killing another townie and then getting run up for a third time on day 3 so Im going to take my time and vote for scum and not survival

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Neapolitans test if players are vanilla townies how does that CC me

Because you both are powerful investigatives, and already have an investigative flip and another (effectively) investigative claim?

Yeah but if Una is town then scums power is something with a lot of fuckery that might warrant lots of invests bc I still got rbed

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Again grain of salt bc mechanics are not my area but
Isnt in vogue for normal mods to do some setup fuckery
The normal that just ended with tw I was a vanilla cop in a setup with only goons

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Yeah but if Una is town then scums power is something with a lot of fuckery that might warrant lots of invests bc I still got rbed

If Una is town, you couldn't have been RB'd...

And I believe Una, and it seems like you do too.

I just dont see the point in saccing himself for my elimination but he could still be scum banking on that I guess
Town una being fucked with is possible but if you dont think so by all means kill him day 3 Ill be dead and wont care

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Whats up gang I have a new result
I saw Una visit me

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Hi Froppy welcome to hell

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iv is town ez

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Do you not think hes town

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Yes Una scum can have both of those roles

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Una def targeted me and he was lying in wait like a predatory eel so Im inclined to believe him
The scenario where hes scum is some wild shit plus he def believed in his soft guilty on me where scum would know i was telling the truth

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Tws avatar is great its from the premier romance of our time

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Im still leaving the thread for a day starting now I guess

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worst ur triggering my hedgehog ptsd and ur pfp doesn't help

it's good to see you again, for real
if you're town pls help us solve this game because i feel a strange sense of despair

pedit: yeah town!una is the part of those three posts i strongly vibe with

Its bc im town tw just accept I suck at mafia like the rest of you and our first time together was a fluke
My despair is gone I wanna win now

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Sucks that my chance to prove im actually a tracker today got messed up but osuka fixed it as soon as he could and the fact I posted immediately after thread unlock should add some credence to that
So if youre going to call me scum I would like my proper title of Scum Tracker to be used thanks

I rly tr iv am i just biased bc I have no defenders besides him

Im willing to accept 99% town SS its not worth it to worry about

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idk maybe idk i just think she was Less Nep than i've seen

You have seen one game duck

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idk tbh im used to two scum, three is like a little too many to reasonably look at associations when there are still three left because there are so many angles scum could go for i feel like

This is why preflip associatives w no flips is a bad idea
I am 90% on Billy town why do you SR him

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SS's point is that we have rolestopper!una who we can direct to rolestop a neapolitan claim and protect them for another night, forcing a result. una outed his rolestopper role before zombie's claim, so vt!zombie would have known that una could have rolestopped zombie to get a result. at what point was zombie intending to reveal that the claim was fake? after we wasted the rolestop on him?

I literally didn't even mentally process this. No, now i get S_S's point and I like always am an idiot.

Town doesn't fakeclaim a PR to get another PR claim miselimmed. Even if they do scumread them
And if they do they shouldnt

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SS's point is that we have rolestopper!una who we can direct to rolestop a neapolitan claim and protect them for another night, forcing a result. una outed his rolestopper role before zombie's claim, so vt!zombie would have known that una could have rolestopped zombie to get a result. at what point was zombie intending to reveal that the claim was fake? after we wasted the rolestop on him?

I literally didn't even mentally process this. No, now i get S_S's point and I like always am an idiot.

Town doesn't fakeclaim a PR to get another PR claim miselimmed. Even if they do scumread them
And if they do they shouldnt

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SS's point is that we have rolestopper!una who we can direct to rolestop a neapolitan claim and protect them for another night, forcing a result. una outed his rolestopper role before zombie's claim, so vt!zombie would have known that una could have rolestopped zombie to get a result. at what point was zombie intending to reveal that the claim was fake? after we wasted the rolestop on him?

I literally didn't even mentally process this. No, now i get S_S's point and I like always am an idiot.

Town doesn't fakeclaim a PR to get another PR claim miselimmed. Even if they do scumread them
And if they do they shouldnt

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also note that duck immediately voted nepenthes (thereby leaving the zombie wagon) as soon as zombie claimed.

I am also paranoid abt duck bc hes repeatedly bringing up our one game together as a reason to SR me and its getting tiresome
He has to know the bias there and at least try to work against it right

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Posting that three times doesn't make it not self-contradictory

It's like that Calvin and Hobbes strip where Calvin throws a snowball at Susie and then says "I didn't do that! And anyway, I missed, didn't I?"

The site posted it three times not me
But whats your point

Pedit - there are no absolutes in this world or the next SS the first line was hyperbole the next was reality

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Sucks that my chance to prove im actually a tracker today got messed up but osuka fixed it as soon as he could and the fact I posted immediately after thread unlock should add some credence to that
So if youre going to call me scum I would like my proper title of Scum Tracker to be used thanks

I rly tr iv am i just biased bc I have no defenders besides him

Im willing to accept 99% town SS its not worth it to worry about

so if you're town about 8 townies thought you were scummy d1
you sure that's a town indicator and not tmi from iv?

This is actually a good point

But I dont think Ive been playing so abysmally that nobody could be genuinely TRing me
Abysmal, sure
But not that abysmal right

Dont answer that

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I'm not really sure what you were trying to suggest then. That it was bad play?

That its a bad play doesnt need to be stated by me

I do think JOYED is scum for it, Zombie fakeclaimed PR to stay alive
Its awful if town but probably just scum

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why would switching your claim from a N2 tpr to a vt increase your chances of being alive for N2..... I don't think the claim was actually unbelievable if allowing for manipulative roles (which hey we have)

I don't think that plusJOYed realized it was their slot that made the claim, thus, locking it in when there was a claim of "having to look it up".

I think it was a mistake.

Why dont I TR you at all but you keep saying things that make sense
Im also reading Joyeds reaction as a mistake
Its not strange for a newbscum thrust into a bad situation to default to the truth

Also rb is pretty standard for what mightve happened with the results bc I dont know how else I get a no result and then a result besides a block being in the works
In hindsight osuka mistaking a rolestop for a roleblock makes no sense he designed the setup
Missing an action in NAR is far more likely
And yet Im still suspicious of you being confident about this because it requires a certain level of believing the things Im saying

Like there was a NAR issue, im the only claimed investigative, it was obviously my result that was fucked with what else would it be

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Oh huh ok
I guess what the error actually was isnt that important but my point was its not a weird thing for Four to think

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@Joyed - If he's confident I dont consider that weird
He left room for other players who wanted more day to get that day

@Lilith No and its not for a good reason
Logically all of Fours play has been sound and I doubt Id catch him today with this stance because I agree with it

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Was someone saying its weird youd assume you would be around day 3 @Four

Lilith - I dont tr having good logic or making objectively correct plays/stances which is why Four doesnt get a TR
Its all I remember from his slot rn besides his roleclaim

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Hi Im back
Im sure you all missed me

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Hard defending a player who is universally scumread does not win scum town points. It makes it look like they had too much information.

Tw didnt you just tell me iv defending me when no one else was is a scummy move if im town

But now its something you wouldnt do as scum bc you wouldnt get townpoints

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Try your best lol

My point is how is JOYED supposed to know you wouldnt do this as scum

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Hes a loud good slot I dont tr so I thought his chances of performing a kill were decent
And if not I could get a result that could corroborate/disprove a later PR claim

And admittedly part of it was also his yelling abt my claim lol

@Billy here ya go

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JOYEDs fine but I need the time to catch up too so lets wait