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[shellyc]

who tf starts a game at 3am for people on the other side of the world

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

Noraa's making forced reads makes /my/ scum radar go off tbh

Please do me a favor and outline your typical playstyle with these questions:
Intuitive, or analytical?
Independent, or Collaborative?
Aggressive, or Passive?

Intuitive

- (in my limited town!shelly games) I like making reads off behaviourally, sticking to my gut rather than logic, especially early game

Independent

- ive never been a team player

Aggressive

- I like to push people early and question their motives as either alignment

[shellyc]

I have an extreme bias towards not eliminating fun slots.

me too

lets allow the jester to stick around

[shellyc]

They're too dangerous to be left alive.

DAYVIG: Norway

you're too dangerous

[shellyc]

red's my favourite colour

i dislike being town

[shellyc]

*and mods seem to pick up on it and give me a red role PM

UNTIL THIS MOD GAVE ME TOWN NOOO

[shellyc]

lim the mason gang, it's infiltrated with scum

[shellyc]

then again ... the probability of her landing yet another scum role would be kinda low at this point since she's already landed a shit ton

STOP POCKETING

[shellyc]

Lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooo, vote me then instantly say you've got scum pings from noraa. Nice

your vote was RVS since you're from my timezone

noraa's scumpinging slightly by shitposting a ton (this is in jest)

[shellyc]

don't like LAMIST either

jackson talk to me

[shellyc]

noraa doesn't want those modbias points

@noraa vote for people in the plist please

[shellyc]

DAYVIG: ODD DAY JESTER

pedit: good because ive destroyed the jester

[shellyc]

My vote is on redados rn and tbh it doesn't really matter who my vote is on inn rvs. generally my votes jump around anyways and my rvs vote has never lasted...

this is weird

tone sucks

[shellyc]

voting mod and just lots of really fucking weird interaction

i kinda highly concur with this

noraa seems super self aware and generally seems to artificially produce something but aren't furthering the game with them

[shellyc]

your reads suck

this is very self aware tbh, saying that "I have the potential to be scum here" is quite the defense scum!me uses

[shellyc]

Hello fellow scum! I am also scum. What will our scumplan be in this game?

your intro is LAMIST
VOTE: Redados
Mod your off the hook for now <.<
I'll get u in the next game im in with u :>>>>>>

using buzzword to shade redados whose opening seems fairly town

wait actually is that supposed to be TSTBS?
ur intro is either too bold to be scum or smart smart scum.

another buzzword and trying to sort redados but look, the proposals of reds' alignment is still town or scum which is public knowledge. so noraa's trying to look like solving without actually solving

phew this game is gonna be rough. two pages in and my scum radar's already gone off multiple times. these entrances are really making me question everything...

"scum radar going off' why not share your reads

phew this game is gonna be rough. two pages in and my scum radar's already gone off multiple times. these entrances are really making me question everything...

Scumreading people for their entrance is a fools errand.

nah its not SRs at this point in time yet. Some of the entrances have made me felt like scum was trying real hard to look town by seeming like a bold townie. In general I think that's a pretty good way to approach a game as scum since first impressions always last even if only subconsciously. So what I would say about these are that they are suspicions that may influence my decisions later in the game but they are by no means reads yet

fence sitting on alignments when questioned

my typical playstyle is scumreading Shelly

lmaoooo that's kinda mean(starting each game with a bias against her) but tbh it does seem she has a knack for landing scumroles

"kinda mean" but "knack for landing scumroles" is a subtle shade of me

[shellyc]

VOTE: Noraa

not buying jackson's metaread

[shellyc]

DAYVIG: JacksonVirgo

this is lockscum

jackson / noraa game solved

[shellyc]

I think Noraa is LHF which everyone is jumping on

whats LHF again

[shellyc]

I dont have much motivation to reply to your post @shelly bc it's just completely wrong. My slight suspicions on Redados are completely justified bc his opening definitely could be slightly AI.
You're seriously gonna tell me to "share reads" like 2 pages into the game?
fence sitting? 2 pages into the game you expect me to have a solid read?
I literally just replied to redados' post and said you landed a lot of scumroles. Thats a fact not an opinion so I dont see what's wrong there.
Shelly if ur town, the things ur using to SR me are weak as hell and maybe you should try to actually scumhunt instead of pick at me for no good reason.
if ur scum, then ur just setting me up as limbait after what's his face started sussing me(sorry I seriously dont remember the name and am too lazy to go back and check)

sharing reads is protown
scum wants to blend in and town isn't afraid of standing out
yeah but you're saying telling red to not be prejudiced on me yet saying that i might be scum contradicting
i think you're scum end of convo

[shellyc]

I'm not sure if scum would blatantly defend like that. maybe in early game

i don't think noraa is really lynchbait, I think they've been blending but trying to create content. but the content looks real artificial

[shellyc]

What Shelly is doing is pro-town cause she's moving the game out of RVS finally. I'm glad she did it.

yay redados finally comes back to town!me

[shellyc]

megabyte is a mislim waiting to happen

in newbie 2019 my scum sweep, they were my easy mislim

[shellyc]

I'm more of the bussing type

self meta is trash

[shellyc]

Noraa is very active which is a good thing but I don’t think they have as much game advancing content as 72 does they are more just posting I haven’t really seen anything that says Noraa is any alignment tbh but with Jackson trying to defend them using other games is a red flag to me

who's 72??

[shellyc]

Shelly standing up for mini so fast when mini hasn't even been SRed by many people yet is very concerning. Seems like I might've found us our two scums this round....

I'm not standing up for them

if they are town. they are an easy mislim target

[shellyc]

Am I supposed to take your word for that? It’s just seems off to me

megabyte don't you have offsite experience with jackson

[shellyc]

Reads:
Town - Odd day jester: huge effort to solve, posting early readslist, and generally vibing with my thoughts as well
Minimegabyte: tbh sheeping isn't that much of a scumtell and noraa probs shading them for a mislim.
Jackson: lets take the self meta. noraa/jackson isn't probable. this is a gut read moreso

scum
noraa explained before

not sure if bugs would bus early though

[shellyc]

I don't think anyone's entrance is particulary bad except noraa's

[shellyc]

mini / noraa doesn't seem like scum theatre

which strengthens mini town + noraa scum

[shellyc]

shading someone for mixing up games isn't great logic noraa

I kinda like jackson for not just wagoning on the noraa FoS and taking a second thought and going back to 2027

[shellyc]

lols

probably scum backtracking. im not seeing town!noraa yet

[shellyc]

pointing out sheeping + having /some/ original thoughts

I like how they seem more townier under pressure but not enough to reverse
Noraa is pretty good as scum

PAGETOP

[shellyc]

well I failed

[shellyc]

Noraa is still scum

town!Noraa is a lot more... honest. and idk natural?

[shellyc]

I don't entertain counterfactuals, sorry

I have noraa as lockscum aorn and nothing else

[shellyc]

After reading what Noraa has been like maybe Jackson is right

elaborate

I may listen to towncase noraa if it's exceptional

[shellyc]

I will not explain it

[shellyc]

this reads really bad.

OML

BECAUSE OF FUCKING SITE RULES YOU SCUMREAD ME

[shellyc]

phew this game is gonna be rough. two pages in and my scum radar's already gone off multiple times. these entrances are really making me question everything...

Scumreading people for their entrance is a fools errand.

TBH im disappointed you publicly came to this conclusion so soon. I was interested to see what other's reactions to RedGarodos and Jester were.

We could have gotten out of the boring RVS fun time much faster.

Why can't others react to RedCharmander/NotAJester despite Norwee making that post?

The latter line seems a little

LAMIST

too. I have enlarged the buzzword as I have been informed that people are a fan of these.

VOTE: Grendel

reads quite town to start a new avenue. I disagree though, it's sometimes protown to try and get out of RVS.
quoting myself, sometimes town are just... town

[shellyc]

sorry i don't have a great sense of how to find scum

also, that was exaggerated to reaction test.

[shellyc]

hi saudade, nice to see you again

give me those top-tier reads

[shellyc]

JV sheeping is -3 townpoints

[shellyc]

When will you realize, Vienna waits for you

[shellyc]

id be surprised if anyone has a scumread at this point. i think there is a difference between something being scummy and something being anti town. I voted on jester because I think his play has been very anti town so far

this line is weird. it's very protown to give early scumreads

VOTE: duppin

I don't like this line

[shellyc]

I'm going to untunnel noraa for a bit and start pressuring different slots

[shellyc]

no it's not

although ive rolled scum in all but one game

[shellyc]

VOTE: minimegaexcept this one, such a weak entrance

saude top tier read time

tbh i don't think the entrance was very weak? explain

[shellyc]

Read his post again shelly, but slowly

still scummy to me

it reeks of cautiousness, a classic scum trait

[shellyc]

I like to early scumread people as town

it gets interactions and reactions

[shellyc]

hmmmmmmmm

I'm inclined to trust saude

but my gut townpings on megabyte

[shellyc]

Scum also ike to scumread people early on. Town usually have nothing to go on and thus aren't as confident as you are.

so this means you scumread me?

nothing to go on = make waves so we become informed

please tell me i havent played mafia wrong for my whole MS tenure

[shellyc]

Its not a super strong read since the user didnt post afterwards but it feels like she tried to get some posts in just to be done with it rather than contribute

mega did post afterwards

[shellyc]

im a bit shocked at how y'all give townpass to duppin vs. majority TR on noraa
i wonder if this is alignment indicative

[shellyc]

check iso saude

[shellyc]

I think megabyte is town for having the right amount of paranoia

[shellyc]

Im a bit shocked how you just ignore the reasonings to "townpass" duppin and majority TR on noraa I wonder if this is alignment indicative

this is a scumslip

[shellyc]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[shellyc]

the "lol' defense, how scum indicative.

[shellyc]

I WAS BAITING.

not directly attacking me for bullshitting. TMI

[shellyc]

I was planning to test the wagon speed on jv, but turns out everyone dipped

[shellyc]

The duppin thingy was also bait.

I find the TR when I bullshitted pretty indicative of town!duppin

[shellyc]

I'm not entirely sure if shelly's cockiness and/or retaliatory attitude this game is AI. I only have known their scum games.

She's so much less confident/cocky in her completed towngame. That's what scares me a little.

that was literally my first towngame and I didn't know anything about playing town lol

[shellyc]

Uhhh, what

I was trying to see if anyone would jump on.

it's indicative of scum!jv tbh

[shellyc]

intended bait, jackson

I think this reeks very town of duppin tbh

[shellyc]

You voted literally seconds before saying it was a bait, the fuck are you on

your reaction was like this:

If it's town!you you would basically say "NO I DIDN'T SCUMSLIP WTF YOU'RE SCUM FRAMING ME“
scum!you knows I am town!me and therefore did not immedatiely scumread me

i got the reaction I wanted

[shellyc]

shelly, don't tell me you're a Noraa alt.

I am not a cheater.

[shellyc]

Why did you only wait 2 minutes if you wanted to test the wagon speed?

seeing that it was quite obvious bait

i decided against it

[shellyc]

Uh what. Name a town game of mine which I did that. Also, what

I'm generalising

[shellyc]

So you really have nothing, are you reading from a wiki page from 2012 or something.

no lol

its not from 2012

[shellyc]

well, you're wrong

[shellyc]

the way you flip on me concerns me a tiny bit

[shellyc]

273 refers to the question about how I planned to test the wagons.

I should have phrased it like this: "it's indicative of scum!jv tbh if nobody jumps on"

[shellyc]

concern != omgus

[shellyc]

like, im concerned by how scum might manipulate Mr. Jester to vote wrong lategame.

[shellyc]

*because they are voting on town right now

[shellyc]

Okay, basically, shellyc, I think confidence/cockiness is a major scumtell for you. You're a lot more reserved and less aggressive in your town games, and play just like this in all of your scum games. I had to stretch for meta a bit, and look at marathons games too.

have you considered non-alignment reasons for confidence?

[shellyc]

also can you quote because I play aggressive in my towngames tbh

at least I intend to be confident while rolling town

[shellyc]

they're fighting about my reaction test and my meta when clearly confidence is NAI for me

[shellyc]

jackson fence-sitting again

[shellyc]

saude read on jester?

[shellyc]

Shelly ignoring logic and meta against them is cute, appealing to ridicule

note to self regarding this post

I come from a chat mafia site where I have the reputation for being aggressive + assertive

also

meta is trash

[shellyc]

But I could also be wrong

[shellyc]

I hate phpBB.

thats fence sitting with town!mini scum!jackson

[shellyc]

megabyte is a mislim waiting to happen

in newbie 2019 my scum sweep, they were my easy mislim

Nah, this post is towny from shelly as well. Scum!shelly has far less reason to provide meta about Mini being an easy push/miselim, she doesn't need to say anything and can just let that happen. While town!shelly has reason to be cautious given past experience, and is letting everyone know of it.

I like what shelly's wall means for her alignment btw, I can follow the reasoning for all of those points. I also feel like scum!shelly would probably not aim to miselim Noraa of all people, considering they seem to like each other and have history.

what happened to this jester. just because of trashy meta you SR me

[shellyc]

Cool, yet obviously town!you on this site is not as aggressive according to jester and I'm supposed to just trust your word for it.

yes you are

[shellyc]

?

I'll come back to this later. but I have a reason for my confidence

[shellyc]

saude is right smh

[shellyc]

Shelly: Gives meta read on themselves.
Also Shelly: Meta is trash

I was giving info on how I ideally want to play as town

2025 was an exception since that was literally my first towngame and i had 0 idea what to do

[shellyc]

idk why confidence is a scumtell since scum usually hedge their bets since they know all info and need to be careful as to how much they can be wrong

[shellyc]

bowing down to saude and trying not to be controversial, +5 scumpoints

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[shellyc]

JV is outed scum. end of story.

[shellyc]

Wait were you not voting me before? Aight

I AM A TOWN QUADRUPLEVOTER

VOTE: JacksonVirgo
VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[shellyc]

thats a wall to detract us from real scumhunting and instead devolve into game theory argument, -3 townpoints

[shellyc]

Shelly ignoring logic and meta against them is cute, appealing to ridicule

note to self regarding this post

I come from a chat mafia site where I have the reputation for being aggressive + assertive

also

meta is trash

Show us some off-site town aggressive shelly games if you have them.

dont have any, games aren't stored

[shellyc]

saude you think we are TvT then?

[shellyc]

reads
Saude town - similar to their towngame, disagreeable and not afraid to push reads
Bugspray town - The early read on noraa and opening felt townie
duppin town - UTR doesn't seem scum driven
Jester null - wondering if the early TR on me was a pocket and then pivoting after I started baiting
Noraa scumlean - slimy, self conscious, but tbh I might come around to town!noraa especially with scum!jv
Jackson scum - perspective slipped when they reacted to my bait, and just bullshitting using meta

[shellyc]

I'm scumreading Saudade.

saude plays like this as town; very distinct tbh

[shellyc]

I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.

did you read

there was a SR on noraa TR on dippin and many ops and reactions to jackson / jester vs me

[shellyc]

LHF = low hanging fruit or lynchbait

[shellyc]

how do you think about jesters 180 on me because theres something wrong with it but i cannot point it out

[shellyc]

redados is pretty genuine
explain your tr on jv

[shellyc]

redados are you just going to soft townlean everyone

[shellyc]

jester just likes to self vote probably

[shellyc]

red townleaning on everyone sets off bells in my head

can you put the list in order so we can do some fun deep diving?

[shellyc]

you can just call me shelly btw, the c stands for cult leader and im recruiting the jester tonight

[shellyc]

Town:
JV

Null:
Jester

Scum due to playstyle:
ShellyC
Noraa

Scum:
Saudade (but I have been told this is his town meta)

hmmmm what is "scum due to playstyle"?

[shellyc]

jester has many interactions and im a bit baffled if you can sort jv and I but not them

[shellyc]

it's a light tr but I don't feel any hesitation in his posts, like he's posting extemporaneously which gets a TR from me

besides aren't you expressing a TR on jester?

is it the "many TR = scum" by me affecting your read positions?

[shellyc]

why NEE and not anyone else?

pedit: explain noraa then

[shellyc]

pagetop btw

[shellyc]

oh okay then

jester wanting attention is NAI you think? aren't there any other interactions you can refer to? e.g. the 180 on me, the townread on megabyte and bugs, etc

[shellyc]

craving attention is pretty townie though

readslist looks fine. except the scumread on me

[shellyc]

Her playstyle and her attitude often irks me and colors my view on her alignment in a scummy way when maybe it shouldn't. I am scumreading her right now but I totally admit that it may be due to her playstyle and not her alignment.

hmmmmm ok this is pretty honest

redados is townie

[shellyc]

Reads
shellyc
Saudade Redados
{Jester} - cannot sort jester, this slot is very confusing with townie posts one second and scum posts the next
Bugspray Megabyte duppin
Noraa JV

[shellyc]

just ignore jester's position, bugs / mega / dippin townier than them

[shellyc]

discrediting reads and attempts to solve: -3 townpoints

[shellyc]

make others and yourself clear on your stances on everyone in the game.

-3 townpoints states how exactly i feel your posts are scummy

[shellyc]

I'm clownreading shelly. This super aggressive behavior seems detrimental to her no matter her alignment.

And I think you all know what I think about clowns.

INTERESTING, tasty, very tasty

opportunistic wagoning, -2 townpoints

[shellyc]

mudivore reads?

it's not as detrimental as you may think

[shellyc]

I see constant read-lists as both annoying and as fake content.

how is it fake content to state your stances on others. weird

[shellyc]

wow that's one intense post

noraa this is not MD and criticising playstyles does no good

[shellyc]

shelly, shelly, shelly....

Be honest here, did you really mean this by "concerned"? It looked pretty clear that concerned meant doubt of my alignment.

yes

[shellyc]

shelly is scum because o their flailing regarding the reaction test and incredible retaliatory actions towards anyone that even shows any kind of scum-read or attack on themself"

ok if you love meta you'd probably notice that I never flail as either alignment.
also I am overdefensive of myself as evident in many of my games as either alignment.

[shellyc]

noraa give me your stances and stop producing BS

[shellyc]

Saudade when will you realize, jackson's just doing nothing and critiquing our playstyles and not even trying to gamesolve

[shellyc]

It means that in the 14 seconds between 295 and 296, you had this thought about that you're concerned about me being manipulated by scum, which is dependent on you being incredibly confident I'm town - which doesn't fit how you're now nullreading me. It's far more plausible that "concern" means you just don't like me flipping on you, and you're talking about my alignment.

I mean concern since I was confident before that you were town

but you're not townie rn

you've lost the town energy

[shellyc]

mafia isn't a game of chilling and I will turn on maximum intensity

[shellyc]

but after i have lunch first bye

[shellyc]

Noraa this is not ok. Every game I play with you, you come tell me ur gonna SR me bc of my playstyle. if uk that it's 100% biased and not reliable, then y tf r u bringing it up? I don't think this is AI since it has happened more than once but dude can you cut it out? You told us a few posts ago that you played three games with shelly and two she was scum and the other you got a day one lim on town!shelly. Do you not see a problem here? You need to look at each game separately while referencing what you need to reference, not carry a bias/grudge from game to game and literally start each game off by telling everyone u SR me or shelly bc of our playstyle. It's not cool, its not helpful, and I don't think the people you do it to appreciate it. Can you stop?

[shellyc]

who are these Redodoas Sundade and Norigwee personas?

Grendel I don't like confirmed lurker and therefore scum on mini

"idk the alignments of an intense 1v1" seems scum thought more than town thought.

wallpost is at least high efforted

[shellyc]

commentary on my games
2019 was my first scumgame in where my partner + I were top SRs d1, I AtE'd and bussed my partner then went solo after that and won.
2023 was another scumgame in where I was pretty much UTR until limlo and won
2027 was another scumgame in which I bussed my partner but made a stupid claim and lost
2025 was a towngame in where I was mislim'd d1 for PoE reasons and lost

[shellyc]

Can you please hold my hand like im a small child and talk me through the reads you have on one another.

yes

Jackson perspective slipped when I tried to bait and TMI'd that I was town therefore scum
Noraa is self aware and has very artificial reads and isn't solving therefore scum
jester is a big null
megabyte's paranoia reads genuine
red's reads are cool and good logical trajectories + genuine
saude is town for meta reasons and for aggro pushing on people. isn't afraid to stand out with mini vote either

[shellyc]

I read saude's towngames and he tunnels someone early game who has a super high chance of being scum

[shellyc]

Jester I wanna say is town for drawing lot of attention to himself, and for doing stuff outside of his meta reads.

grendel what has jester done using other than meta as a basis...

[shellyc]

VOTE: Grendel

pressure voting, im calling this placeholder 1

[shellyc]

minimegabyte

[shellyc]

yes

lets call it a prominent scumread

what other reads has saude have

grendel talk to me pls

[shellyc]

Oh also one other thing before I go to bed. I wanna put a word in my my ex scum partner. Shelly plays a good scum game imo and if she's doing anything really scummy here(I haven't caught up yet so im not quite too sure if this applies), I would assume she's just playing a weird asf town game. Idk but that's my view on that after being her scum partner once and shallow meta diving her a bit afterwards

stop pocketing

WHERE IS GRENDEL COME BACK PLEASE

[shellyc]

I never chill out, and sorry

ive made an interesting observaion relating to isos of some people but im holding it back atm

tell me more about megabyte and why they are at the top of your lynchpool

[shellyc]

I'm not calling you a lurker, I'm calling your attack on mini for being "lacking presence" CLATS and wrong

[shellyc]

like mini having little presence and wanting to vote them when a lot of the plist hasn't posted out of RVS is interesting

[shellyc]

I'm town on saude for actually pushing a vote

mini is townlean for showing townie paranoia but may reconsider

where's your vote now? are you going to put it at somewhere productive

[shellyc]

536 seems a bit LAMIST-y trying to prod me to give my thoughts on people when I just gave them one page ago

overall I think grendel reeks of "lets soft TR everyone except a mislimable target megabyte"

[shellyc]

grendel do you have a read on jv now?

[shellyc]

can you elaborate on this?? like I don't think Jackson's view is especially townie

pers. slip was when I baited you you returned with a TR on me

[shellyc]

I call OMGUS.

opportunistic wagoning + doing the vote AFTER I call you out on not using it so you're self aware

[shellyc]

your big ugly quote wall is pretty much IIoA and you're not trying to sort Jackson, and the quote wall does not lead to the thought of "oh jack is town"

[shellyc]

I wonder if Jackson and Shelly is scum theater actually?

idk how this thought appears when I've called him scum for so many times

your logic is just super weird and not making sense so I'm happy with my placeholder vote

[shellyc]

saude thoughts on grendal? if any

[shellyc]

you can read my mind, turns out.

finally someone's following my logic that they're probable scum

[shellyc]

Like they're remaining broad TR on everyone but trying to shade everyone which is weird. in the quote wall the only thing they intend to vote is megabyte but idk they seem to be fence sitting on the whole plist lmfao

[shellyc]

im getting heavy scum pings on that slot seriously

and the progression from Jackson scum -> town is so gross

and the vote on me is wtf

[shellyc]

wait till they go to town!me after reading my iso

read trajectory is non logical and therefore they are scum

[shellyc]

quoting myself, sometimes town are just... town

You better stop quoting that right now sir, i’m still pretty angry about you-know-what.

SOMETIMES, TOWN ARE JUST... TOWN

[shellyc]

Noraa and Shelly, you two both have that fucking evening sun avi and it’s the most confusing thing EVER.

not changing mine though

[shellyc]

Do they always play kinda like lynchbait?

yes, redados can back that up, referencing newbie 2019

[shellyc]

discrediting reads and attempts to solve: -3 townpoints

Are you even keeping count of these statistics or is it just an annoying buzzword you like to repeat.

I do keep count of them lmao
jackson is probably on -20 townpoints now
jester -5
i havent done that for anyone else

Jackson Shelly is probably TvT and you two should shake hands and stop.

no i dont like peace

It means that in the 14 seconds between 295 and 296, you had this thought about that you're concerned about me being manipulated by scum, which is dependent on you being incredibly confident I'm town - which doesn't fit how you're now nullreading me. It's far more plausible that "concern" means you just don't like me flipping on you, and you're talking about my alignment.

I mean concern since I was confident before that you were town

but you're not townie rn

you've lost the town energy

Shelly wtf r u doing.

idk really

but after i have lunch first bye

I hope you had your morning coffee.
You seem overly irritable and that’s why you jump on anyone for any perceived slight against you.
Probably town from you because if you’re scum you just committed political suicide.

I'd rather tea.

see shelly was just a hungry girl that explains her overall angry attitude and inconsistent mood swings on everyone

I am not a girl. wtf saude

[shellyc]

norway thoughts on grendal

tell me how their big wall is not fence sitting on everyones alignment and being agreeable

[shellyc]

eh just read saude's games

tbh im getting a weaker sense of that now, he's trying to overexplain his actions

594 was pretty weird, seems like you trying to make a wall but your huge paragraph is mainly about how you will vote jester. seems tacky and overexplain-y

[shellyc]

duppin what other reads do you have

i don't really concur with your red read, fwiw he seems pretty disagreeable by thinking that the game is moving in a direction he dislikes

[shellyc]

BS about jester's self voting is useless. you're not trying to sort anyone and I don't like it.

Regarding 330, I will reveal my reasoning soon. You are correct that I am currently waiting.

[shellyc]

Bugspray is my toptown by far at the moment.

sell me on bugs town when all they did was push on noraa

[shellyc]

yes but just complaining about the state and not attempting to move it in a direction is suspicious to me. he seems to be complaining about the game state and being very careful with his reads (he essentially ended up only giving town reads) which to me indicate is trying to avoid confrontation while still appearing active. I am perfectly aware it might be too early to tell but that is the impression I am left with

redados SR'd saude, didnt he?

but you've made your point, I'll sort redados later as I have experience with them, for now I want to sort you + Grendel first

[shellyc]

I believe bugs is town because he initially attempted to push a policy lynch on Jester as well but then revaluated his read and pushed elsewhere which to me seems to indicate he was actively trying to solve the game when he could have easily just camped his vote. I was briefly considering that it could have been an attempt at distancing but I think that is unlikely

I don't think moving vote is especially AI but eh I'll give you this one

[shellyc]

norway thoughts on grendal

tell me how their big wall is not fence sitting on everyones alignment and being agreeable

I agree with the sentiment that scum are likely to play the rational Richard in this scenario while town!Shelly is raging at other towns.
So yes, good place to put some pressure.
VOTE: Grendel

this is kinda sheepy tbh. dont think NEE would try pocketing me tho

[shellyc]

His towngame (from my experiences) is that he attacks a person (who's high chance of being scum) d1 quite hard

[shellyc]

But he did absolutely nothing with it. He did not try to engage anyone or push which lead to me thinking he is trying to avoid confrontation.

yeah you've managed to sell me that

i like your thoughts, they're like my subconscious thoughts that I haven't discovered yet

[shellyc]

im going to review redados meta tomorrow

second thought redados iso is scummier than I thought. looked pretty town in real time but is quite underwhelming. I'll explain with a big ugly quote wall

[shellyc]

quotewall alert on redados

Spoiler:

Hello fellow scum! I am also scum. What will our scumplan be in this game?

Redados did a similar thing in Newbie 2025 as town but it's an easy way to get towncred from people who read that game

I dont have much motivation to reply to your post @shelly bc it's just completely wrong. My slight suspicions on Redados are completely justified bc his opening definitely could be slightly AI.
You're seriously gonna tell me to "share reads" like 2 pages into the game?
fence sitting? 2 pages into the game you expect me to have a solid read?
I literally just replied to redados' post and said you landed a lot of scumroles. Thats a fact not an opinion so I dont see what's wrong there.
Shelly if ur town, the things ur using to SR me are weak as hell and maybe you should try to actually scumhunt instead of pick at me for no good reason.
if ur scum, then ur just setting me up as limbait after what's his face started sussing me(sorry I seriously dont remember the name and am too lazy to go back and check)

What Shelly is doing is pro-town cause she's moving the game out of RVS finally. I'm glad she did it.
VOTE: UNVOTE

I was leaning town on this post but I just realised I was probably pocketed for a bit there

What Shelly is doing is pro-town cause she's moving the game out of RVS finally. I'm glad she did it.

yay redados finally comes back to town!me

don't worry I will sus you on a dime and if ur scum then you need to NK me a$ap

Repeatedly suspecting me for meta reasons is trash

MinisculeGigabyte, what do you think of Noraa's play so far?

Noraa is very active which is a good thing but I don’t think they have as much game advancing content as 72 does they are more just posting I haven’t really seen anything that says Noraa is any alignment tbh but with Jackson trying to defend them using other games is a red flag to me

In Doggos 2027 hosted by JacksonVirgo, Noraa was scum and was very active.

Providing meta info instead of solving.

I'm scumreading Saudade.

Does not elaborate. When I saw this in real time I thought they were town for going against my read but I just realised they didn't even place a vote

I'm also feeling scummy on Noraa and Shelly but can acknowledge to myself that it probably has less to do with alignment and more to do with playstyle.

stubbornly scumreading us gets nowhere

Town:
JV

Null:
Jester

Scum due to playstyle:
ShellyC
Noraa

Scum:
Saudade (but I have been told this is his town meta)

(but I have been told this is his town meta)

fence-sitty after I defend saude

hmmmm what is "scum due to playstyle"?

I have a sneaking suspicion that I will scumread you regardless of your alignment because of your aggressive playstyle.

redados for god's sake do you have something else to say rather than shelly + noraa scum because of playstyle can you solve for once oml

[shellyc]

hi UNO! I just read one of your games yesterday, pretty solid scumplay.

can you give me your thoughts so my mind has something to work with

[shellyc]

Have you been scum before?

redados' never been scum probably, so if anything the self aware play is town indicative

[shellyc]

My thoughts are rubbish and that I will probably end up having to take notes or something to keep track. But I'm not trusting you so far. I don't believe in your reason for suspecting Jackson and I don't get the impression you believe in it either.

ok lets dive deeper

Firstly I believe in my reason for SR'ing jackson and ive made that pretty clear so you're shading me
Secondly this is a chainsaw, if scum!jackson then probably scum!UNO as well

[shellyc]

jackson just unvoted and then voted for ????? reason

your gut is wrong btw

[shellyc]

Why would this be? Self aware suggests nerves which fits well with first time scum. I think the way he is scumreading two players who have caught flack but qualifying it by saying it is based on play style looks like he is trying to keep his options open.

YES I BAITED IT! There we go.

Sheeping reads isn't a great look UNO.

[shellyc]

Could people explain to me why bugspray is so high in peoples reads?

cause bugs pressed onto noraa early?

[shellyc]

They're acting anti-town as hell

my play is incredibly protown

my noraa read got us out of RVS
my jackson bait + read sparked a whole discussion giving the plist a whole avenue to sort us
I got the grendel wagon moving
why tf would I spend my time baiting and giving reads as scum
why tf would I make the whole plist hate me

tell me how my play is scum indicative

[shellyc]

@shelly. People disagreeing with you or agreeing with scum is not AI by itself. In the perspective of scum!me, what about that makes UNOwen scum and not town that's just reading you as scum.

pedit: If it's wrong then it's wrong.


pedit2: Sheeping is not exactly the same as reciprocating reads, at least not in my vocabulary. Even if they're the same thing in other's reads as soon as anyone does a second vote on a player are you going to SR them? Lmfao

Also you're very insistant on doing reaciton tests that literally aren't doing anything except make you look like an idiot.

pedit3: That isn't town!ai what

sheeping is done without thought
what UNO just did was almost verbatim of what the dippy guy did - a scumread on red with almost the same reason
they're not adding anything
they're straight out copying

[shellyc]

You have such high confidence in JV scum based on the reaction to your "bait" post? I can't see how you could be convinced on that.

Even if i disregard it I still scumread them
if you don't mind I can make another big ugly quote wall but don't have the energy for that now

[shellyc]

idk why y'all can't believe that my play is aggressive and confident and I like pushing my reads super hard and will scumread you to hell and back if you shade me

[shellyc]

Why tf would you spend time claiming an impossible role to get a PR lynched instead of just killing them at night. Your play-styles as scum are irregular.
Because you just have the skill to do that without meaning to.

lol you're just bullshitting with meta

[shellyc]

why tf would I make the whole plist hate me

yeah why would you do that.
Seriously.

because I believe my reads are right and am trying to get scum (i.e. jackson, noraa, grendel) limmed

[shellyc]

redados' never been scum probably, so if anything the self aware play is town indicative

a newb!scum (at least from my brain cells) isn't the self aware type as they aren't even very aware about what to do to manipulate the town.

[shellyc]

ok lets try again
I was stupid in 2027 and my playstyle is pretty consistent as scum in my other games I have a pretty consistent playstyle
wdym by that I don't mean to? cause scum!me does have a gameplan i will usually stick to

[shellyc]

Oh my god imagine a vigi!shelly in this position lmfaooooo town would just lose

I AM VIGILANTE, DIE MAFIA SCUM!

[shellyc]

Oh boy how wrong you are, newb!scum are probably the most self-aware.

okay at least from my experiences newbscum arent self aware so might give you this

[shellyc]

@Shell, do you remember how Noraa was acting in the doggo game? iirc they were incredibly self-conscious

yes

i dont think thats very self conscious, maybe we have different definitions

[shellyc]

REVEAL AS INNOCENT CHILD

we were townVtown-ing all along.

[shellyc]

I will take your silence as a "holy shit I fucked up really bad"

no you fucked up

[shellyc]

Dude please please please tell me that was a joke

I do not admit. I do not deny

[shellyc]

this sounds like scum saying "omg i just tunnelled the inno child and I'm dead"

cool reaction, will try and reread after I can think properly

Spoiler:

also im not IC lmfaooooo

[shellyc]

okay... im kinda coming to a world where Jackson is town.

the "I fucked up" posts were pretty geniune.

[shellyc]

ok there's a new plotline redados vs noraa
i feel like the voices are telling me that this is scum theatre

also grendel wagon not gaining steam means scum are probably active and not wanting to jump on there in case of scum!grendel

[shellyc]

VC 1.5

Bat Fact #06:

While sometimes mistaken for mice, bats are absolutely, positively,

NOT

related to the rodent family. Not even a little.

EXILE STATUS

[3] shellyc:

Odd Day Jester, Mundivore, Grendel

[3] Saudade:

MiniMegabyte, NorwegianboyEE, duppin

[2] Redados:

UNOwen, Noraa

[2] Noraa:

bugspray, Redados

[1] Grendel:

shellyc

[1] MiniMegabyte:

Saudade

[1] Not Voting:

JacksonVirgo

With 13 still flying around the place, it takes 7 votes to ground someone.

The Day 1 deadline is in:

(expired on 2020-10-03 14:30:00)

Mod Notes:

(人^ω^)

[/mech]

this VC is a mess
saude / redados / noraa / grendel / megabyte cant all be town

[shellyc]

I highly scumread grendel and am eagerly awaiting their response

one thing I find weird is that some people like norwee have vibed with my thoughts yet are on other wagons.

[shellyc]

Her play is so ridiculously aggressive that it feels like it could easily mislead the town. Not to mention, her SR'ing of anyone who looks at her funny is distracting, even though my gut tells me she's town this game.

one day you'll find why I play like this

anyways. so you wanna policy me?

[shellyc]

i feel like redados / Noraa is pretty much either TvT or scum theatre

[shellyc]

it's been a while since two people have voted me in a game, what a wonderful feeling

Yeah this can die
VOTE: Sausage

jacko what happened to your hard scumread on me again

[shellyc]

this is the most lamisty opening ive ever seen

[shellyc]

I am inno child and everyone who fights against me will be sentenced to death

[shellyc]

I am hostile and paranoid and aggressive against everyone in the plist
as you can see, it's shellyc against the world