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[Iconeum]

what the actual fuck

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i ehh

confirm i am here to play

i don't know what happened but for some reason i forgot about this

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catching up now lol

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My tris vote is now seriousThese posts are terrible

what's terrible about said posts?

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^Does Iconeum usually lurk as scum? Or is that just a general lurkadurp scumread?

i never lurk, as either allignment

at least not for like, the last year at least

this might be hard to explain, but i legit forgot about this

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^Does Iconeum usually lurk as scum? Or is that just a general lurkadurp scumread?

I think I just had a game with scum him where he was rather quiet until pressed on it
He says he has weekend V/LA but it's not the weekend so that's not an excuse rn

which game was that?

i do have standing weekend vla's, but that's only saturday and sundays

i'm so ashamed...

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and like, *rather quiet* doesn't really cover me not being here in this game at all

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Ok the game I was thinking of they were Town. If there was another game I can’t remember which one. Their posts there average out to only 2 or 3 each rl day but they did post a lot at the start.

The game I’m referencing: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79422

Yeah I think this is a good first wagon.

VOTE: Iconeum

VOTE:

i hardcore won that game for town, it was a good game

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iconeum was inactive as town

Did you actually read the part of my post where I said Iconeum posted a lot at the start of the Town game?

It's gonna be rough defending myself from this, but I can confirm i'm a fucking post waterfall, especially early game but generally throughout the game, with a declining factor for larger games

i don't think i spam any less as scum tho

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imagine signing up for a game, and not playing

that would be something right

haha

ha

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VOTE: alchemist

what's AI about me not being here?
i don't get the 'low post' reference, because i wasn't low posting

and then you reference a game where i low posted, but was town and conclude i'm probs scum here then?

or am i misreading that?

[Iconeum]

hi echo

nice to meet you

why do you think i'm town?

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I always think of Australia when I see Iconeum.

i'm a dragon, not a koala

nor a duck

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huh? so, you found a game where iconeum was inactive as town, and one where he was inactive as scum, and your conclusion is that he's scum for being inactive?

Yea, I'm not sure I like this vote either.

fun fact

i literally caught scum early day 1 in a very recent game for what is basicly this reasoning

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datisi can verify that

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lmhywt

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bumpedy

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bumpy

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pagetopdoodely

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bump

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omg rude

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^Does Iconeum usually lurk as scum? Or is that just a general lurkadurp scumread?

I think I just had a game with scum him where he was rather quiet until pressed on it
He says he has weekend V/LA but it's not the weekend so that's not an excuse rn

which game was that?

i do have standing weekend vla's, but that's only saturday and sundays

i'm so ashamed...

Kids With Lungs
Feel free to call me a stinky dodo brain if I mixed up your alignment

oh right! yeah i was scum with the magical bear

but i quickly glanced at that game and I saw that I had the second most posts in that game, number 1 being my scum buddy
ofcourse that doesn't really cover your point of being silent until pressed on, but I also don't think it compares like this game where I was just… not here?

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gamma/tris/testa are early townreads

alchemist and vision… not so much

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184 ~ someone not named datisi? townreading iconeum??? on early day one?????

yes, it pinged me too

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re testa and gamma: both for somewhat the reasons

gamma feels solvey and uncommitted at this point, while giving thoughts
tris as well, but has the added benefit of sharing my thoughts (rather, me sharing hers) wrt alch

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i don't wann vote tris anymore and

this is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad

Why is it bad?
You think it's likely for scum to lolhammer at this point of D1?
And even if they did, you think they'd get away with it?

This falls under a similar category with why I voted for tris earlier.
Over-explaining your reasonings and actions this early in the game pings me hard as scummy.

i don't consider that scummy at all

it feels like a genuine concern about the day ending prematurely
lolhammers *do* happen, accidental hammers *do* happen, quickhammers *do* happen

and no, they don't get punished most of the time

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i don't think or feel that gamma's posts were in bad faith - i'd not have a townlean on them if i did

alchemist otoh uses logic like the one VP used to defend his buddy npow - yeah i scumread that

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Tbh I don't really think tris' posts are scummy.

this was the main post that made me go 'this is town'

i don't feel that scum are gonna defend a buddy here in this way, and scum are also not gonna stop someone from scumreading someone else if you know what i mean

very early logic, but i see something in it

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i think going against such a push so early is town!indicative

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weekend vla

i'm so sorry

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. You've always seemed pretty scummy and kinda active lurkish.

ehhh

i really don't consider myself as a lurkish player, but maybe we only played together in larger games where i might tend to do that more

as for the scummy part

well

yeah

[Iconeum]

zzzzz still waiting for something to bite on
someone do something scummy thanks

ur scum

i think this read is gonna age really well

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Icon also started posting in Kids With Lungs in response to pressure D2, so I don’t think becoming more active in response to pressure here is particularly Town-indicative. I think you probably took your vote off too early.

shouldn't be anything you can relate to, because IIRC that was a setup where D2 was in fact a lylo. Gamestate was excellent for us (scumteam), and we were just waiting for deadline to pressure town.

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i'd love to see an EV wagon

VOTE: echovision

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catching up

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this kinda angsty angry post is sorta what I associate with newb town and remember of you. Hey I said it was silly.

on site for almost a year and a half, getting called newbtown... have we played together before?

i don't like how you have so much feeling in your posts but i guess it tags a little more as town than scum

-Echo: I don't like this about you
-Also Echo: I think i'll townread you for it

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i feel like my wagon is more based on the convenience of getting me out of the game than getting scum out of the game, i don't think i've been overwhelmingly scummy, moreso annoying and obnoxious to play with

i think you are actually scum

there's no reason to 'just' want you out of the game

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re tris 163:


i don't wann vote tris anymore and this is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad

VOTE: echovision hi can you explain your ico/una townreads please

this

is where you voted me in the first place, which doesn't seem like it was because you scum read me (at the time)
you were just jumpin around and happened to find something that you liked, because i didn't answer your question the way you wanted me to

you were just... randomly calling people town?

also i feel obligated to point out that of you're town, the odds of a random other player also being town are 8/11, not 9/12

i don't think this is a legit scumslip but i could be persuaded otherwise

oh and then you thought i was scum because of my fantastic statistics

and yet despite these posts, you squeeze out a datisi townread?

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cakez if

i

had something unique and interesting to say i'm sure you can come up with something
until then i'ma vibe
VOTE: sircakez

incoming: cakez saying, "omg i've been pushing you so hard all game and now you're voting me that's so scummy of you omg gfy"

i agree with SiroftheCakez that EV has been more active in general because of pressure, but i kinda disagree that it didn't get better
actually was liking EV posts some more lately, but the general conclusions still seem off. Mostly about what I quoted wrt datisi.

Don't like gamma. Keeps pushing me for not being here early game is... fishy.

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I disagree that Echo has really gotten better; I think he's actually started playing because of pressure

but what about the fact that he's done this before.

playing more/better because of pressure is NAI

what makes you think EV is a bad wagon, Tris? Honest question.

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ico why are you still voting echo, i thought you liked some of their recent posts

i wanna talk to tris about echo first

besides, why are you assuming that liking recent posts = townread in general?

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I'll apologize beforehand - that usually means walls with me..

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i'm not, but in the same breath you talk about liking recent posts from echo and not liking recent posts from gamma, so i kinda Assumed Things

do you have any hot takes for me pls i can't get into this game

i'm in a place where i wanna vote gamma, but i'm not quite done with Echo yet

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datisi, give me some read on mizzy? what's your thoughts there?

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what do you think of gamma's pressure on me? his case in general?

if we flopped echo on the spot, red or green?

thoughts on tris?

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ok i'm done with my revaluation, after reading mizzy, testa, tris and echo again

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VOTE: gamma

who thinks i'm wrong for townreading both testa and tris? (im a sucker the 't')

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how does this not make sense?just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's scum, i don't like meta diving but that doesn't make whoever does it scum??

ok

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my uneducated guess for scum team is mizzy, cakes, testa
that's all for me folks see you later

like

gamma instead of testa and… profit?

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I sorta feel like Echo is just a goon that is trying to get lynched over pr scum Gamma

i don't really feel EV scum anymore

more like a misunderstood townie

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i don't have an outstanding opinion on sirofthecakez

but i've got a townread on testa

as for my thoughts on you… if null had a dead center, you'd be dead center in the dead center of the dead center

i hope this helps

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i'm working on sorting other players right now

hoping you will find your groove tho

i think i very very rarely push my nullreads, so you shouldn't be that surprised about it, even if it is you

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i've seen you being uninvested in a game before - it's NAI

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for the record, i don't agree that your iso is absolute shiite

it's close to a tsjernobyl-meme

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Skitter30 is replacing mizzytasic. The game clock is restarting

Live footage from scum PT, probably:

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I think I am finally getting first town vibes from Datisi. Kind of liked their recent interactions with Ico, also I share his "hesitation" about Ico (unless I misinterpret here lol). Although I am not really sure why Ico should be scumreading him instead of being null at him?

what did you like?

the 'oh god oh god i'm doing jackshit this game, better get started' or the panicked 'omg ico y u no scumread me'

or smt else?

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Can you gather all your catch-up in one post thanks

i actually prefer the shotgun-style spam post thingy

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i don't feel like nero was playing buddy buddy to me

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if gamma ever flips scum, scum!skitter comes onto the table

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i'm not sure that's a genuine townread skitter has, or because she's still reading earlier in the game. I townread gamma a bit at that point as well

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i read your thoughts on me and i feel obligated to defend myself by saying that in the game i recently modded, there was a lolhammer like 24 hours in which did Wonders for town (ico can confirm)

wonders

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ughhh i hate echo's posts on page 18, it just reads trying so hard to be the "haha quirky townie look i'm solving but if you execute me i don't care haha it's on you"

re testa and gamma: both for somewhat the reasons

gamma feels solvey and uncommitted at this point, while giving thoughts

i don't think or feel that gamma's posts were in bad faith - i'd not have a townlean on them if i did

Don't like gamma. Keeps pushing me for not being here early game is... fishy.

ico can you explain this progression to me pls

i think it's explained in this quote?

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i liked gamma early in the game

he kept pushing me over not being here at gamestart, over and over again, without any kind of read evolution or trying to engage with me

i didn't like gamma so much anymore

what's more to say?

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i mean like... the Nuance and Reasons behind it lol

imagine expecting nuance in Ico reads

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weren't you kinda sorta scumreading mizzy and now you're saying rhey were townscumconeum confirmed ggez

i know but then i couldn't post this meme so here we are

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i don't think i was really scumreading mizzy tho

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well ye that's why i said kinda sorta

you had them in the weird poe thing but i don't think it was an actual scumread

well no?

you said i kinda scumread mizz, so my gif doesn't make sense

but i think i didn't scumread mizz, but had a weirdish tonal read rather

and i used 'probably' as well

so why give me crap about that in the first place

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i need to bump heads with you

it's the only way to get a proper read

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what are your gut reads right now

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ico, skitt town
tris, testa, sircakez like, probably town
alch/gamma have scum unless ico flips scum
echovision can die

roughly the same

ok then

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don't think skitter's town

i think there's a ++ chance of skitter v nero being town v town, and this kind of remark is bleeding scum imo

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looks like we have L-1 on gamma with under 24 hours to go

a claim perchance?

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VOTE: skitter

VOTE: skitter
Think she's trying to position herself tactically here

stop sheeping and pocketing me
VOTE: gamma
that's l-1
thank u have a good night

don't think skitter's town

EV is your skitter scumread independant or connected to your vote/scumread on gamma?

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VOTE: skitter

VOTE: skitter
Think she's trying to position herself tactically here

while this is, like, wrong, it's also a bonkers vote for scum to be making in this gamestate

(namely: he's currently the leading wagon. and is following his cw onto a vanity wagon that is extremely unlikely to get traction in the next (i think) 17 hours or whatever it is. survivalistic scum don't really make this vote)

oof. i think you're right. i noticed it earlier, but i didn't want to give up on my scumread, but it's actually a strong piece of evidence UNVOTE:

i disagree with the assessment here, because survivalistic town would also not be making that vote. I'd argue that it's more scum!indicative then town, and that it gives + scum equity to the cw as scum are more likely to not be counter-voting on partners.

And yes, this happens. Trust me

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don't get me wrong, i'm not opposing an EV flip

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ok sure, ev is scum in that world though

yeap, my point was just that it doesn't necesarily point to town!gamma because of reasons i said

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no u

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i disagree with a ton of what Una is saying, yet i don't scumread him

like, i'm reading it and i think he believes what he's saying and it's genuine and all

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Una, u think i'm town or do we need to go manno v dragon first?

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if we agree that we just think the other has bad takes, but is generally townie, maybe we can find some truth in the middle here

if you think my bad takes are because they are fake... better put some gloves on

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yes

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not enough to get a no lynch

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what is your thoughts on the competing wagons rn?

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not sure what the votes are at rn

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5 each?

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VOTE: echo

claim it or lose it

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i disagree with the assessment here, because survivalistic town would also not be making that vote. I'd argue that it's more scum!indicative then town, and that it gives + scum equity to the cw as scum are more likely to not be counter-voting on partners.

A) so the thing is that i fundementally dont believe survivalism to be a town-indicative trait, but it is fairly correlated with being scum imo

B) so yu're saying you see gamma/echo as svs? Or am i misunderstanding the second bit?

I believe that survivalism is a NAI trait. At least, I know I do that from both allignments. And from a basic thoughts level: town!gamma knows he's town, so his flip is Always 'the wrong one'. As for Echo, he can't know.

Yes, I think gamma not wanting to cross-vote is scum/scum indicative.

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datisi noooo

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i'll give this game my attention later today

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ok

VOTE: nerooooooi jenkins

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i don't know

nero was on datisi radar and datisi ded

i've got no idea

i'm starting here

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well the push on me is lame. I mean, I didn't kill anyone last night but that's what I'm being accused of. I think asking the question "why do I kill Datisi over Skitter?" is a perfectly sound question. I could have certainly pushed Datisi and that would have been easier, no?

lame? yes probably

i don't have a better place to start this day however

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but if I was pushing a skitter/datisi team then why do I ever kill datisi?

fair point

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ok

VOTE: nerooooooi jenkins

i don't know

nero was on datisi radar and datisi ded

i've got no idea

i'm starting here

I don’t like this
Your entrance today also pinged me

i know it's a bad entrance
that's what happens when i don't know what to do

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Iconeum apparently tried to pull this weird agreement with me yesterday while I wasn't caught up to the point.While I didn't townread them at that point, I didn't outright scumread them either.But that "appeal" felt a little off to me. Could've been for goofs as well, but somehow I feel like they meant it.

i do not remember what this is about but

if it's serious 'ill go look it up

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Iconeum apparently tried to pull this weird agreement with me yesterday while I wasn't caught up to the point.While I didn't townread them at that point, I didn't outright scumread them either.But that "appeal" felt a little off to me. Could've been for goofs as well, but somehow I feel like they meant it.

ok so i went and reread my iso wrt you, and i can't find anything that could relate to this

what exactly are you refering to?

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you realize that datisi was joking with the 543, right?

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not an actual joke, but, not serious

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i disagree with a ton of what Una is saying, yet i don't scumread him

like, i'm reading it and i think he believes what he's saying and it's genuine and all

+

Una, u think i'm town or do we need to go manno v dragon first?

+

if we agree that we just think the other has bad takes, but is generally townie, maybe we can find some truth in the middle here

if you think my bad takes are because they are fake... better put some gloves on

..didn't feel genuine to me.
Might've been an attempt at pocketing/appeasing.

or i was trying to sort you? and get you to townread me?

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if it pinged you that much, why not call it out before?

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Iconeum is likely town and we just have differing reads.

VOTE: una

hey look, you thought i was townie after i made those posts yesterday, but now you think i'm scum for it because it wasn't genuine according to you?

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you realize that datisi was joking with the 543, right?

That's neither here nor there now.
If Datisi were to be around and confirm that to us, then sure, whatever.
But they did get killed N1, and there are always ~reasons~.

And your stance towards the mizzy/skitter -slot wasn't very consistent with that post tbh.

mmhmm let me get the quote for you

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here's the proof

and right after, datisi put me as town so please

don't push this like dats was scumreading me lol

Spoiler:

my uneducated guess for scum team is mizzy, cakes, testa
that's all for me folks see you later

like

gamma instead of testa and… profit?

i took this as "not townreading maybe kinda scumreading" in order to make that joke

if you think my "scumconeum confirmed ggez" comment is actually genuinely me giving you crap about it... datisi, have we met?

ico, skitt town
tris, testa, sircakez like, probably town
alch/gamma have scum unless ico flips scum
echovision can die

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i'm edgy because it looks like you are trying to spin a narrative where datisi was scumreading/pushing me while they weren't

and on top of that you are now scumreading me for something you were townreading me on yesterday

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i will explain with a gif how i feel about you, Una

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i disagree with a ton of what Una is saying, yet i don't scumread him

like, i'm reading it and i think he believes what he's saying and it's genuine and all

+

Una, u think i'm town or do we need to go manno v dragon first?

+

if we agree that we just think the other has bad takes, but is generally townie, maybe we can find some truth in the middle here

if you think my bad takes are because they are fake... better put some gloves on

..didn't feel genuine to me.
Might've been an attempt at pocketing/appeasing.

these posts 'don't feel genuine to you'

which means scum, and not town, right?

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my point is

you called me town after i made those posts yesterday

and now you come in calling me 'not genuine' for making said posts

how can i know to what point you are caught up??

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Picking this up for myself now that I'm going to need a break from catching up (falling behind at work )

ok so you did say it...

and the posts quoted in there are far from caught up so

UNVOTE:

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i really wanna look back at why the gamma wagon didn't go thru

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neither

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i wasn't scumreading you for sorting things

i was scumreading you for what i said, which was a straight contradiction on your end - which happened to not be true but that doesn't mean my thoughts weren't genuine

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i also wasn't scumreading you for posting posts from a dead town, i was doing it because you seemed to be cherry picking and trying to force a different conclusion then what datisi intended

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i see your point about 1 scum probably being off wagon (at least)

but i know gamma's wagon got quite far (Exe -1?), and then it dissappeared

i was even gonna give datisi some crap about pulling me onto gamma :p

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i don't have a better place to start this day however

Why not the other person that Datisi was hard scumreading, Gamma?

yes go on

am interested

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why?

->daystart
->unsure what this game exactly was
->confusion over NK
->no solid reads
->???

as i got back into this game, you can see i moved away from you and am now sniffing at the general direction of gamma already so

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his 74 clearly pinged me.

same tbh

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Yes. Also, my top two town rn are Icon and Nero.

huh

i don't think nero and myself are townreading each other that much

why are you?

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Not_Mafia is replacing Skitter30

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that is literally all i have to say and i feel bad about it

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Why are you scumreading Ico? Is it for his opening on D2?

prob. I can be very OMGUSy. But I mean, FMPOV both Gamma (whom Datisi was scum reading) and Skitter (whom he was town reading but said he hated her posting and said he was going to re-evaluate on d2) have just as much reason to kill Datsi. Not to mention that NKA is pretty inaccurate and a weak push. So it's confusing to me why he's picking me. And when pressed on it (901 904) he's rather elusive and not forthcoming.

but 966 and 967 also just kinda pinged me.

i don't know what to say or give you, dude

i'm lost right now and i'm having trouble getting into this day

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VOTE: shellyc

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: gamma

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is it not an option that scum have an encryptor of sorts?

or is the 'scum do not have daytalk' fixed?

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weekend vla, rejoice!

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VOTE: nm

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hmm

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it's lylo right?

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would you mind if i go last?

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smt like

Not_Mafia
Gamma Emerald
Alchemist21
tris
UnaBombaH
Egix96
Testarossa
Iconeum

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I'm in a neighbourhood with Alchemist and Una

10 bucks says this is the scumteam lol

i'm about 55% serious

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NM + Alch + ??

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gamma maybe

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nero contemplates trying to get alch flip over SirC, NM quickhammers

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who kills datisi N1

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I've been rather disconnected with this one from the get go, and I do feel sorry for that.

i feel you

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oh shit the hood is real? nice

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me/testa/una town

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NM + gamma?

that quickhammer was so dirty, but it's also NM so…??!!??

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are NM and alch active in the hood?

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if you wanna massclaim, you gotta give input on the order

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did skitter say Usefull Things?

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skitter wanting to out hood sounds +town to me, because scum might naturally feel that town are gonna try and sort the hood

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and NM's quickhammer, as despicable as it is, is NAI

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alch + gamma + ?

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skitter and gamma feel like the only ones who'd NK datisi on N1

i'm not sure

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@Ico:
What do you think of Egix? If NM is scum he looks as a pretty suitable partner imo. Just go through his ISO with focus on his reads/stances on Mizzy/skitter. He has been weirdly on the edge on them for the whole game. Same viceversa with Mizzy/skitter on Egix.

i'll have a look

what's your townreads looking like?

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a point of concern is why did the mizzy slot need so many replacement

i hate to play like this, but it's on my mind

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@Ico:
What do you think of Egix? If NM is scum he looks as a pretty suitable partner imo. Just go through his ISO with focus on his reads/stances on Mizzy/skitter. He has been weirdly on the edge on them for the whole game. Same viceversa with Mizzy/skitter on Egix.

i'll have a look

what's your townreads looking like?

can you link a couple posts? I just reread egix and i found a grand total of 0 (zero) references to the mizzy slot

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Not_Mafia
Gamma Emerald
Alchemist21
tris
UnaBombaH
Egix96
Testarossa
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let's assume 3 scum

Ico/testa/Una (tris) town

that leaves all scum in alch/gamma/egix/NM

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tris + skit slot + ?? would be spicey

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{Nero Cain, Gamma Emerald, Tesarossa, Iconeum} varying degrees of town, not ordered
{not_mafia} - skitter wasn't around long enough for me to get a read on her. but, the slot does get some residual towniness from mizzy. i'll have to go off of that for now, because not_mafia isn't easily readable
{SirCakez, Alchemist21, UnabombaH, Egix96} people i need to figure out. likely some scum in here. i'm not confident enough in my townreads to say they're all in here. i don't think sircakez and unabombah are SvS though.

Your progression here seems kinda whack.

I mean, I get it if you were voting Echo purely to avert a Gamma yeet, but I'm just a bit surprised that skitt's post there was enough to make you flip your read on Gamma.

well as i said, i had noticed the same thing, and then skitter's post was enough to convince me.

tris, if you didn't have a read on skitter, how was she able to convince you of anything? You admit to having her change your mind for stuff that caught your attention as well, it's odd that you didn't have at least a townish lean there?

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'at each other' but i can't find a single post from egix that interacts with the mizzy slot? or am i just blind?

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exactly, so i don't understand your 'at each other' here

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i don't really see much in this

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what do you think of my poe in 1126?

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yeah well

if i were a dayvig, i'd shoot gamma right now

it's not based on a ton of evidence, but i feel how he pushed me on D2 and then never came back around to me and now was trying to work with me somewhat at this daystart is... unnatural

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or, translated to gamma language:

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well yeah

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don't expect deep well-thought out cases from me here

if i had any kind of decent reads, i'd have spouted them by now

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feel free to start the massclaim

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But purely on the mech-side - if we have 2/3 scum in a hood that has daytalk, in a game where scum don't have daytalk..?Makes absolutely no sense.

random thought here: if scum has 2 people in a hood with a town, they just NK the town and have a scum pt with daytalk lel

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you can go

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popcorn is fine imo

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there's only been 4 claims, no?

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perhaps the hoodies wanna claim more then just neighbour

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i'm a 1shot jailkeeper

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After rereading everything that has been said for the past few days, I have an unshakeable feeling that something was close to happening earlier.
But I still want to make sure that we have the full massclaim down before I out it.

shoot

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oh dang

well at least 1 read confirmed lel

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I don't think i should claim my action

Maybe i even still have my shot

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Commuter is practically always town
Why you wanna lynch in commuter jk claim?

I think sorting the hood is way to go

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I STILL think Ico's claim is too minute to be a legitimate attempt to fakeclaim a PR as scum. 1 shot JK is super pitiful, scum would go for the full deal, or at least something like odd night to fit datisi's flip
but there's ALSO the fact SC flipped personal, and Ico is like the only remaining visiting role left. Maybe ico is like, gated Rb of some sort?

I think I just made myself very LESS certain of Ico's town status.

Could be, although I feel it's difficult to deduce what the scum power is here.

Actually I think a full Jailkeeper would have stuck out way too much, so it had to be gated in some way. As you I was actually suspecting scum would claim something with Odd-Night too, but I guess that was too predictable anyway.

I hope Ico is soon around after the weekend or later at Sunday, because now that I think about it I actually have a specific question about his claim.

Hmmm?

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Hmmm?

It is related to your jk shot though. But I don't think part of the question doesn't hurt, because it is kind of obvious you weren't using your shot there.

Can you explain what your read was on Nero at the end of D2 after Cakez flip? I am pretty sure you didn't use your shot in N1, because neither were there any outstanding suspicions going by your D2 entrance nor was it easy to predict the N1 kill (at least I couldn't). However I think if you weren't scumreading Nero, anyone should have seen the Nero kill coming by a mile. Now you voted him in the beginning of D2, but seemed rather clueless. Later you at least voted Nero's suspects (counting symbolic NM vote in twilight). So I don't really know where you had your mind in this matter. Why were you using your jk shot anywhere else or not that night?

I did not see thé Nero kill coming obviously