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Also while I was eating, I realized something.
So first off does anyone besides me think that a vig killed BM?
ik thats a strange thing to consider especially since we only had one kill day 1 but I mean lots of things could've happened. The vig could've been role blocked or maybe their role is like the "odd day" or "even day" type or whatever bs.
Honestly im sorry this isnt that important and shit but like im literally having such a hard time believing scum willingly wasted a nk on BM that im willing to believe just about any theory my fried ass brain can think of rn.
BUT onto the important part that I realized while I was eating. Is that if our vig killed BM, then the scums .... didnt kill last night? idk if im right but like ... in all my scum games I was told I was not allowed to ever do a "no kill"
so if this theory is right which idk how high the likelihood of it being true is, then that means the scum doing the kill was jailed or something happened to them.
yeah idk. sorry if that theory's absolute bs but im not willing to believe scum killed BM. On the other hand, I think if a scum was roleblocked or jailed or whatever, the town pr that did it will know who one of the scums are.
Anyways im choosing to believe this theory unless anyone else can provide one that's more convincing cuz this one's vibing hot with me rn.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I'd like to hear opinions on this theory of mine and maybe other theories as well cuz I refuse to believe the scums were so stupid they killed BM.
Im stubborn and that kicks me in the ass at times but either way I think anything is more likely than scums killing bm and need someone to either convince me otherwise or agree so that ik im not insaneDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Btw Bob's activity in the thread sure skyrocketed after a lil pressure was placed thereDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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In post 2190, Alonzo wrote:No kill is usually allowed in the games I have played.
It's not a terrible theory at all, but with no proof may as well drop it for now and revisit later if some evidence appears.
Apparently scum thought BMs role was a threat and made a move, is how we look at it for now, but I'm in no real rush to delve BMs iso trying to figure what's what right now.
No doubt he's in observers and guessed all the scum first time
oh yeah ur right. I was too concerned with the stronge BM kill to realize that I might end up being right and point scum in the right direction. rip me and my stupid brain. I'll have a fun time post game figuring out what was happening in the scum pt while I was over here dreaming up theories lel.In post 2192, iamausername wrote:
Well no kill is obviously allowed. I've just always been told(as scum) that I shouldn't ever do it.In post 2187, Noraa wrote: So first off does anyone besides me think that a vig killed BM?
it was definitely a thought that occurred to me. only one kill per night makes it less likely, but not impossible. as you say, vig could be limited, and scum kill could have been blocked.
probably best not to speculate about it at the moment though. if it is the case, we don't want to give scum clues as to the identity of the vig, or the person who stopped their kill. when those people are ready to claim, we should be able to piece together what happened.
until then, let's just focus on executing scum. bob has helpfully decided to bus his partner today, so that should make it easier.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I think we all shouldn't vote at all until later in the day. cuz with day 2 being a literal like 1 hour long, we have a lot of catching up to do after "wasting" that much time.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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dont rolefishDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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im sure our prs know when they need to out. if no one's outing, it means there was no interesting tea last nightDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I have a slight problem which is that our main two suspects today are teacher and bob
but like .... im fairly null on both maybe a bit more scum on bob but idkDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I've never liked Golden's play this game so I think that may be a good lim. Teacher I haven't looked into much this round. Ngl I had a fun fun time tunneling BM who the scums did dirty most likely with some weird manipulative. cuz he was 100% convinced Taylor was scum and the only people that would mess with night actions like that are the scums I think.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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First off, its shelly not shelley
Second off, solve meDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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ouchie that sounded sounded fencesitty
but anyways meh u were a strong TR for day 1. After a missed day 2 on my part and some thinking while the thread was locked, im pretty null on uDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I'm not sure what to think here tbh. I feel like town is in a pretty bad position rn with this many mislims and stuff but im not too sure how to help. I want to help but I seriously, for the life of me, cannot fucking tell who is scum and who isnt. Everything is just flip flops when im town.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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u didnt like my catch up post?
I'll have uk that took me a shit shit shit ton of timeDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Why would scum say it isnt a scum shot?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I dont understand that logicDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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uhhhhh wtf
scum would have to be legit stupid to kill bm out of fear when its very clear he would've been the lim of today.
ok but I must put out there that if that really was scum's nk, yeah uh sorry for calling y'all stupid and that must not sound hot ... having a newb call u stupid ripDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Ouch this desperate attempt to paint me as scum sure doesnt read hotDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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TGP, if ur scum, im not sure how ur managing to fail at pocketing the most easily pocketed player ... ever(in other words, me)
if ur town, ur not seeming like town lelDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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u just look like a scum that's given up tbhDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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how can you be that certain bm is a scum kill?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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why tf would vig shoot me day 1?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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if ur town, ur really not acting it.
ur way to confident to be town
and ur randomly accusing
u have zero evidence that a scum!Noraa exists here bc there is zero evidenceDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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lmaoooooo that is scum before and after he visited the ptDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Lol TGB ur trying to convince me that im scum when ik very well im not. How in the world do u expect to convince me?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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wtf why would u encourage a vig if we have one, to out?In post 2238, Iconeum wrote:
if there is a vig, then why haven't we had more double kills?In post 2174, Alonzo wrote:I don't think it was ever as clear as scum! TS = town BM, but that vig theory makes a bit of sense
and if there is a vig, i think it should claim sooner then later
no shit sherlock. there definitely was interference otherwise why would our own town cop/mailman hybrid thingie tunnel a vanilla to death?In post 2239, Iconeum wrote:
BM faking/gambiting that phoney guilty isn't scum!indicative, it's town indicativeIn post 2175, Noraa wrote:idk but I remember being like holy fuck I was right BM is scum. And it was literally one of my most confident reads that I'd ever had. I was so convinced TaylorvBM was TvS that I couldn't believe it myself cuz trust me when I say im normally not confident in my reads ... like ever.
and there's an outside chance there was some kind of interference?
why all the above posts if ur just gonna end up agreeing with me? scum!ico?In post 2241, Iconeum wrote:
while i disagree that BM was scum for his claim, I do believe scum might just not opt to kill there because of the pressure that would be on BM, and for the fact that BM was a huge interfering factor in town cohesion so… yeahIn post 2187, Noraa wrote:Honestly im sorry this isnt that important and shit but like im literally having such a hard time believing scum willingly wasted a nk on BM that im willing to believe just about any theory my fried ass brain can think of rn.
odd
And then this post. wtf.In post 2245, Iconeum wrote:In post 2230, Noraa wrote:how can you be that certain bm is a scum kill?
i keep feeling the need to respond to youIn post 2231, Noraa wrote:why tf would vig shoot me day 1?
why certain? because there isn't any evidence of a vig
->no second kill N1
->no second kill N2
->BM CLAIMED A COP, AND GOT MURDERED FOR IT, it's really not that hard
if i had a vig shot N1, i'd have shot you faster then my dog eats a bone (and that's saying something)
so all these points don't really make me feel scum!TGP
Icos just diverting attention from the important things we have to get done to pissing me off in the thread. So what if my theory is wrong? Im a fucking noob that thought of this damn theory while I was eating lunch one day. If it's wrong, it's wrong. No need to make a big fuss out of it especially when its not even the most important thing here. All ico does is pick at my posts and divert attention. I'm pretty confident ico is one of the scums bc they are making little hurricanes out of nothing.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I agree I haven't been on the right topic too much as well since I've been really weirded out by what happened last night(bm kill) but like continuing on and engaging me in this topic is not a towny thing to do. Town's main concern rn is finding scum not attacking a dang theory that I already said I didnt know if it was true. Its called a "theory" bc I dont know if its true if that wasn't clear enough.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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TGP's posting has been terrible ngl.
His teacher/Noraa solve is complete garbage to put it nicely
Bob's seeming scummy but im more down for a golden lim today
if golden flips green, I actually will be very shocked cuz they have been playing really really scummilyDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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why tf are you giving anyone a chance to do that at all?
just dont vote until we are near deadline and boom problem solvedDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Forgot to check if I'm allowed to do that but mod please spoiler it if its not allowedDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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on a more serious note, username I think mass claim is a decent idea but also yeah it def feels really early since like ... lol I completely missed day 2.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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haha thanks and yayaDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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why ask teacher specificallyDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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also silence scum!
anyways I'll claim if that's the consensus. No one has said much about mass claiming and I'm not sure if its the best idea so I will be waiting to hear more on it. Truth be told, I've never really had a mass claiming in any game before soooooooo idkDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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wow and if teacher was scum do u really think he'd be so dumb as to claim a scum role?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Welp the consensus is to claim ig.
Im vt as well.
im a bit concerned that two people claimed vt before me tho bc I dont believe there are that many vts....Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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hm idk I just feel like vts are ... pretty rare(I rarely land vt in minis idk y) cuz the mods all seem obsessed with power roles for some reason so I almost always get some weak ass power role that's like idk town checker or whatever.
Golden trying to pocket me now is a bit late. I'm sarcastic and "hostile" to people that start vanity wagons on me for no apparent reason. Haven't purposefully been any of those(at least not to an extreme) but ur tunneling with zero reasons to back it up has got to go.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I dont see the point in asking someone u think is scum to claim rn. I mean ik what massclaim is and if ur curious, they'll claim soon anyways. Why specifically ask them? it just seems so unnecessary and personally, if I was very confident in a SR, I wouldn't give two shits what they claimed. I would just be like ur scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum NOW DIE.
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deathtunneling is generally done by town. its not poor town play, its townie fireIn post 2295, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
might be a sign of poor townplay on your part, not mine. deathtunnelling is generally considered bad and unhelpful.In post 2293, Noraa wrote:I dont see the point in asking someone u think is scum to claim rn. I mean ik what massclaim is and if ur curious, they'll claim soon anyways. Why specifically ask them? it just seems so unnecessary and personally, if I was very confident in a SR, I wouldn't give two shits what they claimed. I would just be like ur scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum NOW DIE.
except then we realize that all ur SRs and reads are really weak and that leads to another prob
anyways, i was trying to popcorn claim but clearly it didn't work.if you have not already claimed, do so in your next post or you're automatically scum.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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huh townie fire is just the fire that each townie has in them right?
that's how I've always understood that term but if u think I'm crumbing cop, I'm not cop lmao. I sure wish I was but nah plain vanilla is good too. It means zero pressure lel.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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its a bit different here since bm placed pressure on me early on. but overall I have much less pressure to do well when I'm not a pr or scum lel.In post 2305, Alonzo wrote:
Show me in your iso where you played with zero pressure?In post 2304, Noraa wrote:huh townie fire is just the fire that each townie has in them right?
that's how I've always understood that term but if u think I'm crumbing cop, I'm not cop lmao. I sure wish I was but nah plain vanilla is good too. It means zero pressure lel.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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ur solve is very different from everyone else's and seems low-key out of the blue. I, for one know that scum team guess is wrong cuz a vt can't be in the scum team. Username does not seem like scum here. Mena I could considerDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I dont think that's how it works.
town can have wrong readsDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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bad reads doesn't equal scumDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I think TGP is scum here.
I can't see a single case where he isntDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I agree that ur name doesn't belong there but user's entire play so far has been towny. I think user just has ..... bad reads but that's seems to be it.
however I could be convinced that he has been TRing a lot of townies in hopes of pocketingDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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town is already in a shitty position imo. we shouldn't give scum opportunity to quick hammer ... everDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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im not willing to risk it and yes ur right, I sr TGPDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I think scum messed with his night actionsDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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yeah ur scum. I still think that. is that a problem?In post 2345, Iconeum wrote:noraa, if we wanna win this
there is gonna come a point at which we are gonna have to work together
reread my interactions with you and tell me straight you think that i'm scum trying to manipulate you?
OH. well ... I didn't piece that together myself well.In post 2351, iamausername wrote:
they did not. there are no roles allowed in normal games that can do this in the way you're thinking.In post 2333, Noraa wrote:I think scum messed with his night actions
i think i've pieced together what seems to have happened from the message Mena said he got:
BM saw 1789 from Taylor, then either didn't see or didn't believe her very next post explaining that that one was a joke and took the softclaim of "you wont lunch me due to my role" at face value. so when he checked her and was told she was vanilla, he thought he'd caught scum.
then he misrepresented his results to the rest of us instead of letting anyone have a chance to maybe figure out his mistake because BM being wrong is completely inconceivable to BM.
What's novice mean? is that like odd day or even day or weak or whatever?In post 2352, Datisi wrote:goddammit ico i can't blindly sheep that read
i'll have to actually read those posts ig
hm. my issue with that is that BM after yesterday looked like both a perfect execution bait and a perfect vig shot and i don't get why any scum here would choose to like, shoot BM
pedit: well yes but actually no
i was talking about your "vig shoots noraa n1" line, tho maybe i'm biased because the last 3 vigis i saw in normal games were novice
and yeah, i don't see why scum kills a surefire d3 execution
exactly. I'm glad someone agrees that scum wouldn't kill bm. I had one hell of a time trying to convince myself I wasn't insane while ico over here was like no there's no vig Noraa ur theorys stupid.
I think it doesn't matter whether or not scum believed the claim. cuz either was town would've limmed him today regardless of anything he said so scum wouldn't kill him. idc I'm sticking by my theory cuz I think its right. if no vig claims then I'll have to rethink my theory but either way I think I'm right.In post 2354, iamausername wrote:in what world do scum see BM claim cop with a guilty on a VT and assume that he is actually a cop
I think it's good.In post 2359, Iconeum wrote:assuming there is a vig tho, without a single shred of credible evidence, is laughable
if you truly have to believe there is a vig just because a NK doesn't make a ton of sense TO YOU, it's just bad
so everyones gonna tell me that besides 3 fucking people left, everyone is a vanilla townie. wtf. no.In post 2363, Iconeum wrote:AlonzoVT
TheGoldenParadoxVT
Iconeum
iamausernameVT
DatisiVT
teacher
bob3141
NoraaVT
Menalque
Me, teacher, bob and mena still to go
Teacher
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Ico
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These vanilla townie claims have some bs mixed in
I will die before believing there are this many vanilla townies.
idc what u say ico bc vts are somewhat rare. there is zero way there are this many.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Also Ico I dont care if ur more experienced. You dont get to discredit my opinions bc I'm inexperienced.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Wait so BM got targeted by a Miscellaneous and a Role investigation?
My question is 1) does follower pick up scum actions(ex: scum kill, scum role block, etc)?
2) role investigation is the follower right?
3) if so, what is considered miscellaneous?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Nvm this ins' voyeurDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I dont agree with this.In post 2387, iamausername wrote:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=FollowerIn post 2386, Noraa wrote:Whats a follower?
UNVOTE: bob
unless there's a whole lot of power in teacher and Ico's claims, bob probably has to be town here. re-evaluation is required.
bob, did you put out any crumbs at all?
Bob's night 2 actions are definitely correct. No shit. BM literally just died and I would assume cop is the investigative and misc is the mailman. What use is that? As for night 1, either Alonzo is his scum buddy or scum have some sort of tracker or whatever that checked alonzo night 1 and they r using that to pocket alonzo. This is the perspective looking from a scum!bob pov. His claim gave us zero new info and that leads me to believe he might not be what he claims to be.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Everything just perfectly seems to make sense based off of what we know but we learn absolutely nothing new. Im having a hard time believing this claim. just no.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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basically yes usernameDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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