Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Noraa]

Also while I was eating, I realized something.

So first off does anyone besides me think that a vig killed BM?
ik thats a strange thing to consider especially since we only had one kill day 1 but I mean lots of things could've happened. The vig could've been role blocked or maybe their role is like the "odd day" or "even day" type or whatever bs.
Honestly im sorry this isnt that important and shit but like im literally having such a hard time believing scum willingly wasted a nk on BM that im willing to believe just about any theory my fried ass brain can think of rn.

BUT onto the important part that I realized while I was eating. Is that if our vig killed BM, then the scums .... didnt kill last night? idk if im right but like ... in all my scum games I was told I was not allowed to ever do a "no kill"
so if this theory is right which idk how high the likelihood of it being true is, then that means the scum doing the kill was jailed or something happened to them.
yeah idk. sorry if that theory's absolute bs but im not willing to believe scum killed BM. On the other hand, I think if a scum was roleblocked or jailed or whatever, the town pr that did it will know who one of the scums are.
Anyways im choosing to believe this theory unless anyone else can provide one that's more convincing cuz this one's vibing hot with me rn.

[Noraa]

I'd like to hear opinions on this theory of mine and maybe other theories as well cuz I refuse to believe the scums were so stupid they killed BM.

Im stubborn and that kicks me in the ass at times but either way I think anything is more likely than scums killing bm and need someone to either convince me otherwise or agree so that ik im not insane

[Noraa]

Btw Bob's activity in the thread sure skyrocketed after a lil pressure was placed there

[Noraa]

No kill is usually allowed in the games I have played.
It's not a terrible theory at all, but with no proof may as well drop it for now and revisit later if some evidence appears.

Apparently scum thought BMs role was a threat and made a move, is how we look at it for now, but I'm in no real rush to delve BMs iso trying to figure what's what right now.

No doubt he's in observers and guessed all the scum first time

So first off does anyone besides me think that a vig killed BM?

Well no kill is obviously allowed. I've just always been told(as scum) that I shouldn't ever do it.

it was definitely a thought that occurred to me. only one kill per night makes it less likely, but not impossible. as you say, vig could be limited, and scum kill could have been blocked.

probably best not to speculate about it at the moment though. if it is the case, we don't want to give scum clues as to the identity of the vig, or the person who stopped their kill. when those people are ready to claim, we should be able to piece together what happened.

until then, let's just focus on executing scum. bob has helpfully decided to bus his partner today, so that should make it easier.

oh yeah ur right. I was too concerned with the stronge BM kill to realize that I might end up being right and point scum in the right direction. rip me and my stupid brain. I'll have a fun time post game figuring out what was happening in the scum pt while I was over here dreaming up theories lel.

[Noraa]

I think we all shouldn't vote at all until later in the day. cuz with day 2 being a literal like 1 hour long, we have a lot of catching up to do after "wasting" that much time.

[Noraa]

dont rolefish

[Noraa]

im sure our prs know when they need to out. if no one's outing, it means there was no interesting tea last night

[Noraa]

I have a slight problem which is that our main two suspects today are teacher and bob
but like .... im fairly null on both maybe a bit more scum on bob but idk

[Noraa]

I've never liked Golden's play this game so I think that may be a good lim. Teacher I haven't looked into much this round. Ngl I had a fun fun time tunneling BM who the scums did dirty most likely with some weird manipulative. cuz he was 100% convinced Taylor was scum and the only people that would mess with night actions like that are the scums I think.

[Noraa]

First off, its shelly not shelley
Second off, solve me

[Noraa]

ouchie that sounded sounded fencesitty
but anyways meh u were a strong TR for day 1. After a missed day 2 on my part and some thinking while the thread was locked, im pretty null on u

[Noraa]

I'm not sure what to think here tbh. I feel like town is in a pretty bad position rn with this many mislims and stuff but im not too sure how to help. I want to help but I seriously, for the life of me, cannot fucking tell who is scum and who isnt. Everything is just flip flops when im town.

[Noraa]

u didnt like my catch up post?
I'll have uk that took me a shit shit shit ton of time

[Noraa]

Why would scum say it isnt a scum shot?

[Noraa]

I dont understand that logic

[Noraa]

uhhhhh wtf
scum would have to be legit stupid to kill bm out of fear when its very clear he would've been the lim of today.
ok but I must put out there that if that really was scum's nk, yeah uh sorry for calling y'all stupid and that must not sound hot ... having a newb call u stupid rip

[Noraa]

Ouch this desperate attempt to paint me as scum sure doesnt read hot

[Noraa]

TGP, if ur scum, im not sure how ur managing to fail at pocketing the most easily pocketed player ... ever(in other words, me)

if ur town, ur not seeming like town lel

[Noraa]

u just look like a scum that's given up tbh

[Noraa]

how can you be that certain bm is a scum kill?

[Noraa]

why tf would vig shoot me day 1?

[Noraa]

if ur town, ur really not acting it.
ur way to confident to be town
and ur randomly accusing
u have zero evidence that a scum!Noraa exists here bc there is zero evidence

[Noraa]

lmaoooooo that is scum before and after he visited the pt

[Noraa]

Lol TGB ur trying to convince me that im scum when ik very well im not. How in the world do u expect to convince me?

[Noraa]

I don't think it was ever as clear as scum! TS = town BM, but that vig theory makes a bit of sense

if there is a vig, then why haven't we had more double kills?

and if there is a vig, i think it should claim sooner then later

wtf why would u encourage a vig if we have one, to out?

idk but I remember being like holy fuck I was right BM is scum. And it was literally one of my most confident reads that I'd ever had. I was so convinced TaylorvBM was TvS that I couldn't believe it myself cuz trust me when I say im normally not confident in my reads ... like ever.

BM faking/gambiting that phoney guilty isn't scum!indicative, it's town indicative

and there's an outside chance there was some kind of interference?

no shit sherlock. there definitely was interference otherwise why would our own town cop/mailman hybrid thingie tunnel a vanilla to death?

Honestly im sorry this isnt that important and shit but like im literally having such a hard time believing scum willingly wasted a nk on BM that im willing to believe just about any theory my fried ass brain can think of rn.

while i disagree that BM was scum for his claim, I do believe scum might just not opt to kill there because of the pressure that would be on BM, and for the fact that BM was a huge interfering factor in town cohesion so… yeah

odd

why all the above posts if ur just gonna end up agreeing with me? scum!ico?

how can you be that certain bm is a scum kill?

why tf would vig shoot me day 1?

i keep feeling the need to respond to you

why certain? because there isn't any evidence of a vig
->no second kill N1
->no second kill N2
->BM CLAIMED A COP, AND GOT MURDERED FOR IT, it's really not that hard

if i had a vig shot N1, i'd have shot you faster then my dog eats a bone (and that's saying something)

so all these points don't really make me feel scum!TGP

And then this post. wtf.

Icos just diverting attention from the important things we have to get done to pissing me off in the thread. So what if my theory is wrong? Im a fucking noob that thought of this damn theory while I was eating lunch one day. If it's wrong, it's wrong. No need to make a big fuss out of it especially when its not even the most important thing here. All ico does is pick at my posts and divert attention. I'm pretty confident ico is one of the scums bc they are making little hurricanes out of nothing.

[Noraa]

I agree I haven't been on the right topic too much as well since I've been really weirded out by what happened last night(bm kill) but like continuing on and engaging me in this topic is not a towny thing to do. Town's main concern rn is finding scum not attacking a dang theory that I already said I didnt know if it was true. Its called a "theory" bc I dont know if its true if that wasn't clear enough.

[Noraa]

TGP's posting has been terrible ngl.
His teacher/Noraa solve is complete garbage to put it nicely
Bob's seeming scummy but im more down for a golden lim today
if golden flips green, I actually will be very shocked cuz they have been playing really really scummily

[Noraa]

why tf are you giving anyone a chance to do that at all?
just dont vote until we are near deadline and boom problem solved

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

Forgot to check if I'm allowed to do that but mod please spoiler it if its not allowed

[Noraa]

on a more serious note, username I think mass claim is a decent idea but also yeah it def feels really early since like ... lol I completely missed day 2.

[Noraa]

haha thanks and yaya

[Noraa]

why ask teacher specifically

[Noraa]

also silence scum!

anyways I'll claim if that's the consensus. No one has said much about mass claiming and I'm not sure if its the best idea so I will be waiting to hear more on it. Truth be told, I've never really had a mass claiming in any game before soooooooo idk

[Noraa]

wow and if teacher was scum do u really think he'd be so dumb as to claim a scum role?

[Noraa]

Welp the consensus is to claim ig.
Im vt as well.
im a bit concerned that two people claimed vt before me tho bc I dont believe there are that many vts....

[Noraa]

hm idk I just feel like vts are ... pretty rare(I rarely land vt in minis idk y) cuz the mods all seem obsessed with power roles for some reason so I almost always get some weak ass power role that's like idk town checker or whatever.

Golden trying to pocket me now is a bit late. I'm sarcastic and "hostile" to people that start vanity wagons on me for no apparent reason. Haven't purposefully been any of those(at least not to an extreme) but ur tunneling with zero reasons to back it up has got to go.

[Noraa]

I dont see the point in asking someone u think is scum to claim rn. I mean ik what massclaim is and if ur curious, they'll claim soon anyways. Why specifically ask them? it just seems so unnecessary and personally, if I was very confident in a SR, I wouldn't give two shits what they claimed. I would just be like ur scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum NOW DIE.

except then we realize that all ur SRs and reads are really weak and that leads to another prob

[Noraa]

I dont see the point in asking someone u think is scum to claim rn. I mean ik what massclaim is and if ur curious, they'll claim soon anyways. Why specifically ask them? it just seems so unnecessary and personally, if I was very confident in a SR, I wouldn't give two shits what they claimed. I would just be like ur scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum NOW DIE.

except then we realize that all ur SRs and reads are really weak and that leads to another prob

might be a sign of poor townplay on your part, not mine. deathtunnelling is generally considered bad and unhelpful.
anyways, i was trying to popcorn claim but clearly it didn't work.

if you have not already claimed, do so in your next post or you're automatically scum.

deathtunneling is generally done by town. its not poor town play, its townie fire

[Noraa]

huh townie fire is just the fire that each townie has in them right?
that's how I've always understood that term but if u think I'm crumbing cop, I'm not cop lmao. I sure wish I was but nah plain vanilla is good too. It means zero pressure lel.

[Noraa]

huh townie fire is just the fire that each townie has in them right?
that's how I've always understood that term but if u think I'm crumbing cop, I'm not cop lmao. I sure wish I was but nah plain vanilla is good too. It means zero pressure lel.

Show me in your iso where you played with zero pressure?

its a bit different here since bm placed pressure on me early on. but overall I have much less pressure to do well when I'm not a pr or scum lel.

[Noraa]

ur solve is very different from everyone else's and seems low-key out of the blue. I, for one know that scum team guess is wrong cuz a vt can't be in the scum team. Username does not seem like scum here. Mena I could consider

[Noraa]

I dont think that's how it works.
town can have wrong reads

[Noraa]

bad reads doesn't equal scum

[Noraa]

........?

[Noraa]

?

[Noraa]

I think TGP is scum here.
I can't see a single case where he isnt

[Noraa]

I agree that ur name doesn't belong there but user's entire play so far has been towny. I think user just has ..... bad reads but that's seems to be it.

however I could be convinced that he has been TRing a lot of townies in hopes of pocketing

[Noraa]

town is already in a shitty position imo. we shouldn't give scum opportunity to quick hammer ... ever

[Noraa]

im not willing to risk it and yes ur right, I sr TGP

[Noraa]

I think scum messed with his night actions

[Noraa]

noraa, if we wanna win this

there is gonna come a point at which we are gonna have to work together

reread my interactions with you and tell me straight you think that i'm scum trying to manipulate you?

yeah ur scum. I still think that. is that a problem?

I think scum messed with his night actions

they did not. there are no roles allowed in normal games that can do this in the way you're thinking.

i think i've pieced together what seems to have happened from the message Mena said he got:

BM saw 1789 from Taylor, then either didn't see or didn't believe her very next post explaining that that one was a joke and took the softclaim of "you wont lunch me due to my role" at face value. so when he checked her and was told she was vanilla, he thought he'd caught scum.

then he misrepresented his results to the rest of us instead of letting anyone have a chance to maybe figure out his mistake because BM being wrong is completely inconceivable to BM.

OH. well ... I didn't piece that together myself well.

goddammit ico i can't blindly sheep that read
i'll have to actually read those posts ig

hm. my issue with that is that BM after yesterday looked like both a perfect execution bait and a perfect vig shot and i don't get why any scum here would choose to like, shoot BM

pedit: well yes but actually no
i was talking about your "vig shoots noraa n1" line, tho maybe i'm biased because the last 3 vigis i saw in normal games were novice
and yeah, i don't see why scum kills a surefire d3 execution

What's novice mean? is that like odd day or even day or weak or whatever?
exactly. I'm glad someone agrees that scum wouldn't kill bm. I had one hell of a time trying to convince myself I wasn't insane while ico over here was like no there's no vig Noraa ur theorys stupid.

in what world do scum see BM claim cop with a guilty on a VT and assume that he is actually a cop

I think it doesn't matter whether or not scum believed the claim. cuz either was town would've limmed him today regardless of anything he said so scum wouldn't kill him. idc I'm sticking by my theory cuz I think its right. if no vig claims then I'll have to rethink my theory but either way I think I'm right.

assuming there is a vig tho, without a single shred of credible evidence, is laughable

if you truly have to believe there is a vig just because a NK doesn't make a ton of sense TO YOU, it's just bad

I think it's good.

Alonzo

VT

TheGoldenParadox

VT

Iconeum
iamausername

VT

Datisi

VT

teacher
bob3141
Noraa

VT

Menalque

Me, teacher, bob and mena still to go

Teacher
bob
Mena
Ico

in this order i think

so everyones gonna tell me that besides 3 fucking people left, everyone is a vanilla townie. wtf. no.

[Noraa]

These vanilla townie claims have some bs mixed in
I will die before believing there are this many vanilla townies.
idc what u say ico bc vts are somewhat rare. there is zero way there are this many.

[Noraa]

Also Ico I dont care if ur more experienced. You dont get to discredit my opinions bc I'm inexperienced.

[Noraa]

Whats a follower?

[Noraa]

Wait so BM got targeted by a Miscellaneous and a Role investigation?

My question is 1) does follower pick up scum actions(ex: scum kill, scum role block, etc)?
2) role investigation is the follower right?
3) if so, what is considered miscellaneous?

[Noraa]

Nvm this ins' voyeur

[Noraa]

*isnt

[Noraa]

Whats a follower?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Follower

UNVOTE: bob

unless there's a whole lot of power in teacher and Ico's claims, bob probably has to be town here. re-evaluation is required.

bob, did you put out any crumbs at all?

I dont agree with this.
Bob's night 2 actions are definitely correct. No shit. BM literally just died and I would assume cop is the investigative and misc is the mailman. What use is that? As for night 1, either Alonzo is his scum buddy or scum have some sort of tracker or whatever that checked alonzo night 1 and they r using that to pocket alonzo. This is the perspective looking from a scum!bob pov. His claim gave us zero new info and that leads me to believe he might not be what he claims to be.

[Noraa]

Everything just perfectly seems to make sense based off of what we know but we learn absolutely nothing new. Im having a hard time believing this claim. just no.

[Noraa]

basically yes username

[Noraa]

too many vt claims = there's def scum in there

bobs claim kinda equals scum claim imo. I dont like the claim. sorry but just no.

[Noraa]

its the fact that it fits in too perfectly that makes me really question bob

[Noraa]

Can someone plz tell Nora's VT isn't rare

ur gonna tell me there's like 6 vts day 3 and I'm supposed to believe that?
seriously wtf

[Noraa]

sounds like stalling so that u can consult with ur scum buddies before u come in and claim vt like ur other scum buddy did.

[Noraa]

I'm sussing three slots rn but I highly doubt its the solve

{Ico, Bob, Golden}

[Noraa]

TGP why you asking so much?
they'll clarify on their own but u constantly being like ok are you this just looks scummy

[Noraa]

You ask ico to claim
and then u ask mena

seriously dude where are ur pt buddies?

[Noraa]

Wait that claim was legit?
I thought it was a joke..

[Noraa]

Wait wait so Mena and Ico are ... masons?

[Noraa]

im confused. which parts were jokes and which parts weren't?

[Noraa]

What are neighbors?

[Noraa]

Wait so both u and ico dont know each others alignments but u have a pt?

[Noraa]

Well then ig unless teacher claims vig, my theory was wrong ;<

[Noraa]

damnit I tried T^T

[Noraa]

All the games I've been in lately have been really high on prs so I've kinda got used to there not being that many vts
and I still stand by my opinion that there are fake vts. I'm sure of it

[Noraa]

So how does claiming neighbor clear either of u if u dont know each others alignment...?

[Noraa]

Hm ok so I feel like this, in a way clears ico and mean bc neighbors r normally prs or scums right? If one was scum, the other would've died a while back ... right?

[Noraa]

"ascetic indecisive doctor neighbours"

[Noraa]

So ico, who'd u save d1 and d2?

[Noraa]

And mean claimed Fn neighbor yeah?

[Noraa]

*mena

[Noraa]

He’s not claiming N2

....y?

[Noraa]

Im not understanding why?
what's indecisive mod?

[Noraa]

I love how its day 3 and I legit can't put a damn town block together

[Noraa]

I dont think user is scum tho :/

[Noraa]

This is Marks wife. I am monitoring his email. I saw a request for him to post. Unfortunately, he was hospitalized earlier this week with Covid.

I hope your husband is fine and has a quick recovery. Do you mind going to the pm box and finding..
lmao no I'm not an asshole

Will you be playing in place of your husband?

[Noraa]

Okay... I've read some of this. I see I'm being asked to claim? I'm just a VT.

I think Iconeum and Menalque are both solid town and I believe the hood claim. I also believe Bob's follower claim.

I'm scumreading username. ISO is pretty blank and they have no intent of advancing the game with no solving mindset, and the inaction is heavily scum!AI I think (not sure how site meta is now though)

Alonzo's gut-town to me, I think Noraa's play is quite anti-town and the way they try and shade people without logical trajectories is scummy. Datisi is a scumlean from PoE at this point.

VOTE: Username

Very weak SRs and scum leans me. There is no follow up. I would expect a "ok so if user flips green, Noraa is our lim tmrw" if you truly believe I'm scum. I've been very scummy this game and I think the only people that would be absolutely convinced I'm town is scum.

i'm inclined to agree with iamauser in this case, and I think they captured it really well. While noraa is giving off a lot of traditionally scummy vibes, I'm also inclined to believe that most of that is based on her relative newness as opposed to her actually being scum. i'm really not that far out of my newbie phase myself (and i've regressed since my hiatus started) and i definitely understand how newbies can easily say things that are misinterpreted as scumtells. Noraa seems to me like pretty LHF, and ico's attacks on her feel like they're ignoring the other, more likely reason behind her oozing scumtells: her being a newbie, as opposed to her being scum.

This especially stood out to me. Being a newbie does have many similarities to being scum, yet here Noraa seems not to be really solving and instead spitballing strange theories when they're under pressure. They're trying to play it up being confused yet they have a few completed games here. They actively tried to discredit BM and didn't make any other reads after that; they were null on the ENTIRE PLAYER LIST.

Keep in mind I carried all those games at the same time. I have 3 finished games. 2 of which I replaced in halfway thru and only one completely completely finished. I actively tried to discredit BM? Lel if anything it was the opposite at first. So what if I'm null? This is cherry picked very interestingly.

sounds like stalling so that u can consult with ur scum buddies before u come in and claim vt like ur other scum buddy did.

For example, Noraa here starts shading Iconeum for consulting with Menalque in the hood (which is not AI) and says they're "stalling"? Taking some time to strategise the most protown claim is townie and here Noraa tries shading Ico.

Woah its not like I'm allowed to express my concern and come up with theories that I want to when I want to. I only try to explain things so they make sense to me. It doesn't matter to me whether it makes sense to you since I'm not that convinced any of my theories are true anyways.

Just me or does not teacher read scummier since the player switch?

Not just u. If teacher slot was scum. Poor teacher. His replacement is doing his hard work dirty considering I was starting to TR this slot hard until this replacement rolled in :/

[Noraa]

^exactly my point
there are fake vts

[Noraa]

Im having trouble deciding which ones are fake tho since there's like 6 vt claims or something :/

[Noraa]

How is golden clear?

[Noraa]

I think golden or teacher is our lim today cuz those two r prolly two of the scum team

[Noraa]

Wait so teacher was expected to claim a pr to balance things out but then he didn't right?

[Noraa]

Im starting to definitely consider a possibility that all the scum team claimed vt :/

[Noraa]

Who is misguiding me or am I just wandering around for no apparent reason?

Alonzo is town. I'm fairly certain of it.

[Noraa]

VOTE: menalque

y?

[Noraa]

Wait so lemme get this right.

Night one:
scum killed Bunno
Bob followed Alonzo and received "no action" (alonzo later claims vt AFTER Bob claims he followed him)
Mena ... does mena even have actions?
Ico saved ??? that they won't reveal for ??? reason and wants a nonexistent(unless they r hiding) tracker to claim to confirm them :/

Night two:
scum killed BM (yes I've given up on my theory ico's prolly right here even tho my prideful ass doesn't really wanna admit that)
Bob followed BM and received that there was a miscellaneous action and a (forgot what the other one was) action
Mena ... again ?
Ico saved another ???

currently the claims are like this:
Alonzo-VT
Noraa-VT
Golden-VT
User-VT
Datisi-VT
Professor-VT
Bob-follower
Mena-neighbor(no idea)
Ico-neighbor(doc)

[Noraa]

And also we know that there are 3 scums in the current remaining people
so 3/9 people here are scum

[Noraa]

Vcount

*GASP*
mod finally got a page top

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

You need to reread #2029

what about 2029?

[Noraa]

Vcount

*GASP*
mod finally got a page top

I actually missed a page bottom in reality

should've realized

[Noraa]

am i the only one here that thinks ico/mena/bob are mechanically confirmed and the entire scumteam is vanilla and claimed vt

because if you disagree please give me a reasonable alternate explanation

I somewhat agree atm

[Noraa]

If we’re relatively happy that TGP is town

i'm not happy with this. i'd feel much better if Noraa and Alonzo were your locktowns from the VT pool, given that i'm clearly never going to be one of them.

Prof is definitely an acceptable execution, but i want to hear some parting thoughts from Ico before we end the day, since he's probably dying tonight.

rip that's honestly probably true. Ico please claim who you targeted day 1 and 2 since you will likely die tonight since doctor is a very important role

[Noraa]

Hello friends

Info / compromise flips come from scum incredibly often from what I've seen. When I flip VT you all will need to re-evaluate. Remember to get username.

if you flip vt, we lose the game.

shit its ylo already?
holy fuck

[Noraa]

i think they're the ultimate tstbs read for me atm

like their thoughts about massclaim seem so blatantly contradictory i kinda don't think scum makes them?

as for her reads, they seem to be scattered in her iso and i can't make any sense of them right now
@nora, can you give tldrs on golden/alonzo/iaam?

All are town except golden. Or at least that's my current read.

There is no use in wifoming ourselves, tstbs does not exist

I know who newbscum are when I see them and this probs means it's datisi/noraa/username??

lmao did u just call all three of us newbscum?

Datisi has been consistently blending and pretty much just agreeing with the consensus which heavily pings. I think username/datisi are a feasible pair as well and the lack of interest from datisi to solve username (few mentions in ISO) is partnery and very opportunistically jumping on both Tayl0r Swift and shellyc

TGP what are your thoughts on Datisi?

seems more like you are agreeing with the consensus. People have started to sus user a lot lately. Datisi and I are fat nulls-SRs on most people's reads. U call Datisi out for doing something u do more obviously. you give zero reason as to why I'm scum. ur just like aha Noraa is newbscum. Wow so helpful.

[Noraa]

user has had really similar thoughts to my own all throughout the game besides a few strange TRs which is why I definitely think they are town. same thought process = same alignment for the most part.

alonzo has a lot of townie fire in that he sticks to his own opinions and has a TSTBS sort of vibe to him. I don't think it's likely that scum wouldn't try to look more town even today considering that if they all make it thru today, they win the game.

I've never thought golden was town before. His attempt to start a vanity wagon on me is just really lame and him holding onto it is really lame too. His whole case on me is basically nonexistent and his claim falls so perfectly in with the info that we currently know that I just don't believe it.

[Noraa]

seems more like you are agreeing with the consensus. People have started to sus user a lot lately. Datisi and I are fat nulls-SRs on most people's reads. U call Datisi out for doing something u do more obviously. you give zero reason as to why I'm scum. ur just like aha Noraa is newbscum. Wow so helpful.

You're scum for bullshitting and flailing. this is obvious OMGUS here. Noraa is obvscum and no townie would ever get so over defensive of self.

are you at E-2 rn?

[Noraa]

I don't think claiming your actions helps scum. Like you already saved those people and that's not exactly gonna help scum.

[Noraa]

It will help scum, stop asking

.....how?

[Noraa]

It will help scum, stop asking

.....how?

indecisive doctor = cannot attempt to save the same person two nights in a row

claiming who he docced last night = "hey scum look you have a free shot on this person tonight"

ohh wait can ico claim day 1's then?

[Noraa]

Hm that makes sense. I didn't know what indecisive meant :/

[Noraa]

Ico has also shared his targets with Mena in their PT, right? so if he dies, Mena will be able to tell us what they were.

Ig unless mena is scum :/

[Noraa]

"crashed around like a baby rhino"
I absolutely love that

[Noraa]

Ok so everyone can just yell at me for being stupid but idc im making this post anyways.
I hard claim novice 3 shot vig
why I didnt claim yesterday is very obvious. I only have three shots and I can't shoot day 1 bc of the novice part.
day 2 I shot BM for reasons that I mentioned. I crumbed in the shittiest way possible so im surprised I didnt die last night.
I'd like to blame mod for my killing mena last night as I changed my kill around so many times mod wouldn't let me change it any more
But yeah I was really unsure of who to kill and basically decided on Mena. There's only been one kill per night lately which I admit is weird but I killed those two not scums. I thought we had a role blocker so I figured they would be able to out a scum yesterday(since I killed BM not the scums) but the only other explanation is that Ico has been saving them.
Fuck me for killing mena and having bad reads but I need to out today so that I dont fuck up again tonight if there even is a tonight. I have one shot left so that means if we find two scums today, we lim one today and I kill one at night and we have a town win. I'm sorry for the poor decision making and I pray that scums dont have a roleblocker. If Ico is a scum doctor, we are also low-key screwed. Anyways take some time to process this and again, im sorry for the poor play and that I literally fucking shot two damn prs.

[Noraa]

In other words

I am vig and I killed both prs

[Noraa]

Yeah that sounds so shitty

[Noraa]

I am sorry again but I need to tell everyone this for setup info and to decide my kill tonight. And so that everyone knows scums kill will be me tonight most likely but my shot will still go thru as long as they dont have a role blocker or something like that

[Noraa]

Ok shut it im not happy with my choices but I think its best I out now.

[Noraa]

probably to avoid *gestures vaguely* that

though with that scum PR flip, the neighbours were basically masons

i've never seen a role watcher in practice, though i don't think it's that strong? like both ico/bob claims still firmly fit

ico, you got anything spicy from mena?

i'll try to be around tomorrow

pedit: wait what
lmao what
2 nights in a row only one death with a vig claim?

That is correct

[Noraa]

Scums might've figured it out after I crumbed the shittiest way possible and so decided to no kill to make my claim look shit but im claiming anyways. I can't wait any longer and im not fine with killing another pr

[Noraa]

why the fuck would you kill mena??? like
why
neighbours were basically IC after that scum flip

I reread some parts of the thread and I felt mena was scum.

[Noraa]

You can yell at me post game. I'll take it. I was being stupid.

[Noraa]

Anyways town needs to know I killed BM night 2 and Mena night three. Im not sure where the fuck the scum kills went but its likely that they no killed or ico saved both of them

[Noraa]

okay if anyone else has any fucking thing to claim they better do it now

otherwise i will trust noraa on the grounds that town power isn't enough otherwise

no. you will trust my claim bc if I was scum, I would not fucking claim like this and crumb the shittiest piece of shit yesterday. I literally near had a panic attack after I realized the thread locked. I was like FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK imma get nightkilled.

[Noraa]

Another possibility is that scums also killed mena last night

[Noraa]

I dont fucking know. But I vigged BM and then Mena

[Noraa]

Thats how it is and I have one more shot tonight

[Noraa]

If anyone doesnt believe my claim, they must go read my only finished town game, Ancient Arthropods. I "suggested theories" of a JKer and I WAS THAT FUCKING JKER.
My play is the exact same. The shit crumbing is present in both. I AM A VIG

[Noraa]

Sorry T^T im getting too excited about this claim

[Noraa]

i think the most likely scenario here is that n2 kill was docced and n3 kill was mena

goddamn it noraa why didn't you claim yesterday

if I claimed yesterday I would've died today

[Noraa]

That means today u would've had two dead prs

[Noraa]

And one of my shots wasted too

[Noraa]

Ah sorry I haven't ever been a vig before

[Noraa]

neighbour ascetic doc
neighbour role watcher
follower
novice 3 shot vig
combined mailman/vanillacop

i think????? this is maaaaaaybe balanced based on what the other 2 scums are???? but jesus christ this is a mess of a setup (not that i got any rights to talk about setups)

i need to sleep

also just occured to me, assuming the vig is true, if we misexecute today (gno to night as 4v2), scum gets a kill, and noraa shoots a townie, we lose on next daystart (2v2) so that needs to be planned out

thats why I claimed today

[Noraa]

Anyways T^T sorries.

[Noraa]

Thank the lords im not a full vig. otherwise all of town'd be dead by now

[Noraa]

Everyone thats drawing attention to me and talking about my bad kills(namely the ones that are going wtf and not actually inputting anything) are making me raise eyebrows.

I understand I made some pretty poor choices this game and played a shit towngame however with the current situation, towns goal is most definitely not to be drawing useless attention towards me in the form of "gosh how stupid are you"

Questioning my claim and drawing attention is reasonable but just solely drawing attention to me to criticize does not seem that towny to me.

A mixture of both is reasonable.

[Noraa]

I understand that is bullshit coming from me bc obviously no one likes being criticized but it definitely speaks some good logic. rn town's priority is not criticize our stupid vig. towns priority is find scum and win game.

[Noraa]

Also the question is with nora claimign to have shoot

n2 Bm and n3 menal

were both scum nigthkills blocked or did scum shoot teh same player as nora both nights. or a mixture of teh two

I am also wondering this

[Noraa]

I think most plausible explanation is that ico saved both

[Noraa]

Noraa we friends right?

You wouldn't shoot your old pal Alonzo?

hm who knows? .-.

[Noraa]

Noraa I have questions.
Can you give us some insight into your choice to go MENA over tgp who you had been scumreading longer and more consistently?

I was flip flopping between ico, mena, and datisi actually to be more specific. I didnt like TGB but looking back, I think the play's been pretty towny and my main problem with this slot was a bunch of OMGUSy shit tbh. But also a lot of my reads when im pr will be inaccurate bc I will sometimes purposefully sus slots that I think are town to make scum think im a stupid townie and keep me alive for longer. thats my tactic as pr. tho I must say my reads are kinda shit to begin with anyways so there's not a big difference :/

Yeah, my bad, first time hearing 'novice' as role

first time for me as well. I didnt know novice was a thing and I submitted a night action day 1 only to receive a reply that novice meant I could only shoot day 2 and afterwards.

I feel like noraa hasn't revealed all their role pm

I revealed it all. novice 3 shot vig. thats all there is to it. Not sure what "gated" means but this is my full role pm.

[Noraa]

Oh! then im gated vig

[Noraa]

Im novice and thats gated

[Noraa]

I haven't read yet

I protected mena last night

Is this possible? Cuz I sure did vig mena and it hella went thru.

[Noraa]

Noraa++++ scum for that claim

No if I was scum I would say something like I killed BM and last night my kill didnt go thru for some mysterious reason or some bullshit like that.

[Noraa]

I 100% killed BM and then Mena

[Noraa]

i think the most likely scenario here is that n2 kill was docced and n3 kill was mena

goddamn it noraa why didn't you claim yesterday

if I claimed yesterday I would've died today

Fuck off
Two neighbor claim and a doc outed

And you think scum were gonna kill you???

If I was sussing the right people, yes they would've killed me out of fear.

Noraa maybe town

You just said I was +++++scum for that claim.

ico is town and we're not voting there
I'm heavily townreading him and that scum role makes no sense if there's scum in the neighborhood

i think either scum and vig double-teamed mena (bc a single doc isn't enough to save that) or someone blocked ico

if it's the latter then scum blocked ico and then noraa is scum fakeclaiming vig??? i'll think about it

If there's a role blocker,
1)its not me
2)im screwed cuz they're gonna target me tonight

[Noraa]

FUCK
well ig even if there's a role blocker, I still needed to claim today cuz by myself im not that capable of catching scum :/

[Noraa]

Hmmm post game, if I find out I wanted to kill {ico, datisi, and mean} all of which are scum except the one I fucking killed, imma be greatly upset.

For immediately saying im scum but then 2 posts later saying im town, im honestly considering a ico/datisi/professor team rn

[Noraa]

u see I've never really thought user or alonzo was scum at all so idk.
my reads r pretty trash tho so if user is the consensus, im going there.

[Noraa]

Hmmm post game, if I find out I wanted to kill {ico, datisi, and mean} all of which are scum except the one I fucking killed, imma be greatly upset.

For immediately saying im scum but then 2 posts later saying im town, im honestly considering a ico/datisi/professor team rn

If you still believe I'm scum

Then town has what power?

Why did you not shoot me? You scum read. Me the entire game

What posts from mena made you scum read him?

I figured one of the town powers was scum. You were TSTBS. TGP I felt like I SRed mostly bc of OMGUSy shit. So I killed Mena thru Poe

[Noraa]

I doubt scum are roleblocling you noraa

Ur a great asset to them If ur townlol

perhaps when im alone. but rn im not the one deciding my kill. Im telling town to decide it for me bc I dont make good decisions

[Noraa]

ICo has varying degrees of equity depending on your stance

expand. when I saw ico calling me scum, I immediately thought ico was scum. two posts later they said I might be town. Currently am regretting not killing Ico as that was the first kill that I submitted to mod.

[Noraa]

ICo self protects , noraa shoots ICO, Bob follows tgp?

why would you want me to waste my shot?

[Noraa]

No Alonzo dont tell the other powers what to do. they do what they want to. we can't have the scum know exactly what will happen tonight

[Noraa]

what's bp?

[Noraa]

but also I only have one shot left. using it to confirm someone when there are many ways that could go wrong is a big NO from me....

[Noraa]

I'll just not shoot tonight then

[Noraa]

Ico if ur town doctor, that means scums "killed" TGP night 2. You saved so only BM kill registered and that was my shot not the scums. Double kill is impossible cuz BM was prime limbait whether or not his claim was true to the scums.

[Noraa]

Is there? After today's lim, six players, two have scanned as going nowhere to Bob.

Trying to use all the roles to solve rather than leave it to your gut noraa!

which two?

[Noraa]

One of the town powers is scum. Im fairly certain of it. I just didnt hit the right one yesterday. I dont think three scums will all claim vanilla.

[Noraa]

And my role is basically ungated so that adds a shit ton of town power

[Noraa]

On a scale of 1-10 how much did my/icos posts effect your decision last night @noraa? And if not us then who?

0

[Noraa]

Is there? After today's lim, six players, two have scanned as going nowhere to Bob.

Trying to use all the roles to solve rather than leave it to your gut noraa!

which two?

Myself and datisi

that just means that u and datisi aren't scum prs but either could be goon

[Noraa]

I dont really think anyone. I didnt know what I was doing and literally changed my shot around like 4 times or something.

[Noraa]

if you didn't know what you were doing why wouldn't you just holster why shoot conftown

I have three shots. If I wait, I'll die before I use them. You might think thats better considering I shot two prs but from my perspective, I didnt know what I would end up shooting

[Noraa]

ICo/?/?/mena

Who were the other two?

Also, this part of your story is questionable as the mod will take the last answer submitted even if you change your mind 100 times...

mod told me "no more changing"
idk if it was a joke but I just didnt change it :/

[Noraa]

prolly was a joke but eh I wasn't sure on who to kill anyways so I was just like ok imma just settle here

[Noraa]

thats possible

[Noraa]

I sincerely cannot see why a scum in my position would reveal rn.

[Noraa]

like 1) why the fuck would a scum come out and be like lel ik there's only been 1 kill every day but u gotta believe I was the vig that killed them
and 2) im "universally TRed" anyways. everyone just thinks im bad town but still town. I dont have to claim to survive the day and thats the only reason I could see scum doing this :/

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

ico when you get back and can high effort this game i need you to help me poe

bob - follower
ico - doctor neighbor
noraa - vig

iaaun - vt/maf
tgp - vt
dats - vt/maf
alonzo - vt/maf


shelly - vt
bunno - vt
taylor - vt
bm - cop
teacher - maf pt cop
menal - neighbor

yeah, this setup looks balanced. mafia could have a couple of goons or some weak PRs but it looks like this is pretty reasonable

@mod would you consider doing anything but taking the last answer submitted by nightfall; eg. would you prevent a vig from changing their target again if they had already changed it several times

i'd assume i'm essentially confirmed town because barring any shenanigans ico protected me n2 while nora shot bm so the mafia kill was on me

is this game solved? last three scum are in dats/alonzo/iaaun and we have one mislim before lylo: VOTE: iaaun

my proposed night plan is to vig alonzo, follow datisi, protect anyone

You say you believe my claim but then go ask mod if my story is real. wtf. nice way to throw shade at me. I might wanna vig u honestly

[Noraa]

Alonzo my claim is real but even if looking from an outsiders perspective I cannot see scum claiming like this.

[Noraa]

Then why are you throwing shade at me?

[Noraa]

Well mod was prolly joking but I took it as a sign to just park my shot there

[Noraa]

basically yes. ig be glad I'm a terrible vig not a mafia role blocker or some other scary shit

[Noraa]

TGP u are clearly questioning my claim

[Noraa]

you say you believe it but still throw shade

[Noraa]

If I have to vig a vt claim today, I really want to vig u

[Noraa]

You ask mod if he would do what I said he jokingly did.

[Noraa]

that's not throwing shade at my story?

[Noraa]

I blamed mod as a joke. the kill being on mena is obviously my fault. I switched around a shit ton and ended up on mena.

[Noraa]

noraa you said you didn't believe for a second scum killed bm.

either scum shot BM or i'm confirmed town. shooting me is playing against wincon. do you understand that?

yeah wtf. I literally TMI'ed the shit out of me yesterday. I literally hinted so damn strongly that I was the dang vig that killed BM.

[Noraa]

@mod would you consider doing anything but taking the last answer submitted by nightfall; eg. would you prevent a vig from changing their target again if they had already changed it several times

I will always resolve the last valid action a player sends me

right, right, that's what I assumed. okay. this raises noraa's scum equity, but not by enough that she can't remain townbinned for today.

well ... duh but it was a joke and u just accepted it and now ur gonna use it against me again lel. ur getting vigged tonight.

[Noraa]

lim iaaun, vig alonzo, follow datisi, protect anyone
@ico/noraa/bob/dats we okay with this?

why would I listen to someone that constantly questions my claim?

[Noraa]

Golden you do not tell the prs what to do. they do what they want.

[Noraa]

and plus if u say something like this, scum will know what will happen at night if the pr says yes

[Noraa]

lim iaaun, vig alonzo, follow datisi, protect anyone
@ico/noraa/bob/dats we okay with this?

why would I listen to someone that constantly questions my claim?

Just shoot me, then look at those who sat on the fence re alonzo

so you agree with golden is scum?

[Noraa]

if you agree, shouldn't u tell me to vig him?

[Noraa]

why does everyone seem so antitown all of a sudden? >:(

[Noraa]

Golden is flipping around too much. I want to vig this slot if there's no objections

[Noraa]

noraa if you think i'm scum that means:
scum!me killed BM night 2, when i could have gotten the easiest mislim in the world on them n3
i then turned around and started a wagon on teacher, apparently my scumbuddy, that went all the way to elimination

how is this in the universe of "oh okay this makes sense"

no scum team did a no kill

[Noraa]

tho ig no kill is kinda strange

[Noraa]

well ig scum tried to kill golden and ico saved is the most plausible explanation

[Noraa]

ok that makes the most sense and although my reads don't match this, im gonna clear both ico and golden for now.

[Noraa]

why is bob clear?

[Noraa]

so I think unless the scum team is literal galaxy brain, ico and golden actually have to be town upon rethinking. it doesn't make sense for them to no kill. town has no roleblocker so the kill being blocked is impossible. Scum killing mena with me I can believe but scum killing bm with me, I will die before I believe.

[Noraa]

so scum killed day 2 but it was blocked or saved.
iso saved golden and scum can't kill scum so these two must be clear