Open 85 - Jester Mafia (Game over) before 630

[Rishi]

/confirm

[Rishi]

Vote: Skruffs

Lurking. Obvscum.

[Rishi]

Also, I think The Jester should take that pic from the opening post as his avatar.

[Rishi]

wow why is every one, ok only 3 people, voting me. all i did was vote randomly. thats it. also what clues do we have that the jester is the jester. also sorry if the post comes out weird. i am using my phone to respond.

Well the clue that The Jester is the Jester is his screen name. I'm not sure how you missed something so obvious, but you really need to step things up if you want to play in a non-newbie game.

As foriddanlight [sic] pointed out, we're testing your reaction to being bandwagoned. You're acting defensive. That's interesting.

[Rishi]

vote; raverblud

his suspishus

Wow. This is going to get real old real fast.

[Rishi]

Out of interest, would this game end if the Jester was lynched, or would we continue till the normal ending?

Yes. The game ends. If the Jester wins, the rest of us lose.

[Rishi]

Out of interest, would this game end if the Jester was lynched, or would we continue till the normal ending?

Yes. The game ends. If the Jester wins, the rest of us lose.

In the last Jester game (Open 71) the game continued even after the Jester was lynched Day 1, although it was said that the Jester got 1st place, and the Mafia got 2nd place.

Either way, both the Town and Mafia want to make sure not to lynch the Jester.

"Second place" is just a nice way of saying "loser." If the Jester gets lynched, then there's no point in playing any more.

[Rishi]

Lynching the most pro-town player isn't anti-town?
Hmmm....

First of all, we were still in a somewhat joke phase at that point.

Secondly, a lot of times scum will appear to be very much pro-town. Also, if someone really looks pro-town, there's a good chance that person is not the jester.

Thirdly, Skruffs, unlike you, is an experienced player and knows what he's doing. He's not going to drop a stupid obvious scumtell like that.

Fourthly, if someone says something that is so obviously scummy in your eyes, shouldn't your first thought be "jester"?

[Rishi]

EBWOP

Unvote

[Rishi]

vote; raverblud

quote]ur fase is reel old

um, what?

I have no idea. I'm guessing it's someone's alt and they think this is funny.

[Rishi]

But if people claim Jester, couldn't that be interpreted as a "scumtell". There are a lot of causes for suspicion, and since this is the first day, it's important for the town to pick up on these signs.

I agree that there's no reason for a townie to claim Jester.

However, the actual jester could claim jester, setting up a WIFOM situation. Not really super-effective, though. We'd probably not lynch the claimed jester and let the Mafia deal with it during the night.

[Rishi]

What do we do about cretin, by the way? Eventually we're not going to be able to ignore him.

He has no prior games played, so I can't tell if it's a jester ploy. I definitely don't want him alive in a hypothetical endgame, though.

[Rishi]

vote cr3t1n

I'm willing to take the chance. We have to lynch someone.

Why cretin? He's annoying, but he's actually contributed more than you in this game.

[Rishi]

vote cr3t1n

I'm willing to take the chance. We have to lynch someone.

Why cretin? He's annoying, but he's actually contributed more than you in this game.

What has he contributed?

Not much. But what have you contributed?

Remember, I didn't say that cretin was helpful. Just more than you so far.

[Rishi]

Rishi, are you trying to defend and reign in a scumbuddy? Cause it feels like that's a possibility. The only things cretin has contributed is...absolutely nothing. Posts != contribution. Posts with thought put into them are. However, Sun hasn't really met that requirement either. They both are non contributors as of yet. But it's hypocritical to focus on one, Rishi. Why?

Cretin is obviously not taking the game seriously. He's an idiot that'll likely be replaced soon. The posts show very little, but he's more annoying than scummy.

Sun Tzu on the other hand doesn't come into the game for a couple days and then posts, "We have to lynch someone." It's cretin's first vote. It's not like he's in danger of being lynched right now. Cretin is an easy target because he's unlikely to defend himself beyond saying something like "ur meen." It's pretty easy to attempt to lynch the annoying guy. Being annoying is a null-tell. How is calling for a lynch on Page 3 not scummy?

I know it's early but we need something to kickstart discussion.

Also, how come when one player defends another, those players automatically become scumbuddies? Trying to set up some chain lynches there?

[Rishi]

Cretin is obviously not taking the game seriously. He's an idiot that'll likely be replaced soon. The posts show very little, but he's more annoying than scummy.

That's an option? He has a right to play the game in his own way now, doesn't he?

From your earlier post, it didn't sound like you thought that was an option...

What do we do about cretin, by the way? Eventually we're not going to be able to ignore him.

He has no prior games played, so I can't tell if it's a jester ploy. I definitely don't want him alive in a hypothetical endgame, though.

Hmm. That does seem like a contradiction. Good catch.

Also, how come when one player defends another, those players automatically become scumbuddies? Trying to set up some chain lynches there?

I don't care for this. The only way forbiddan could be setting up chain lynches was if a. She and Cr3tin were scum partners and b. She's bussing her partner on page 3 and c. She thinks that the town would buy that and automatically lynch Rishi Day 2.

My statement about chain lynches was no more ridiculous than forbiddan's [sic] statement about me and cretin being scumbuddies. That's what I was going for.

[Rishi]

My statement about chain lynches was no more ridiculous than forbiddan's [sic] statement about me and cretin being scumbuddies. That's what I was going for.

You say that nooow...

What's that supposed to mean? I brought up the chain lynches thing in my previous post. When did I claim I was trying to say something different?

[Rishi]

What it means is that earlier you seemed mildly more serious. I've tried the it was a joke thing as a defense before. It doesn't work. However, to be honest, I was just being pedantic :P.

Thanks for the advice, n00b.

[Rishi]

About 3 people are acting jestery. They can't all be the jester.

Who are the three that you think are acting jestery?

Also, in the one jester game that I read (don't remember which one it was, but it was the one where d3sisted was the jester and was lynched Day 1), he wasn't really acting blatantly jestery.

I guess everyone would play it differently though.

[Rishi]

I'm willing to take the chance. We have to lynch someone.

this is my reason. my only true reason. i have thought about it and it seems scummy to me. i even sat on it a few days thinking about it before i voted.

So, why didn't you say anything immediately when he said it?

[Rishi]

Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?

If the jester is lynched, everyone else loses. If the mafia make it seem like they're the jester, then their plan is busted when the real jester is NKed.

Why do you assume that's the Mafia's plan?

[Rishi]

Yeah, but there's been more than one game where the Jester has won on Day 1. We can't avoid the issue entirely.

[Rishi]

I want to hear more from The Jester (the player).

[Rishi]

Yup.
Thing is, mafia will probably slip *less*, because they know who's the scum adn woh's the town. They don't know who the jester is, which is probably why they will be less likely to vote for an obviously scummy acting player (liek you guys seem to think I am).

I agree. Also, when I play scum, I tend to craft my responses very carefully. As a townie, I often just say whatever comes to mind.

[Rishi]

How about this?

I have a strong suspicion that Skruffs is the Jester. Let's make the mafia kill Skruffs. If Skruffs doesn't die, then we lynch him the next day.

Skruffs would only not die if...

a. He is mafia.
b. He is not, and the mafia are very confident that he's not mafia.

Unvote

How are we sure what the Mafia will do? And, after you set up "We'll lynch Skruffs if he isn't dead," then why would they kill him unless they also think he's the jester?

What I don't like is that people aren't actually reading what Skruffs is saying and understanding the points that he brings up. I don't necessarily agree with him, but his argument isn't completely unsound. It seems like people are just reacting, with "OMFG. That's st00pid" and not actually refuting his plan.

Vote: Crazy

Saying something completely ridiculous while trying to look town.

[Rishi]

You think Skruffs is acting more jestery than, say, Xtoxm?

Also, I claim doctor.

[Rishi]

We could always lynch Sun Tzu. He's just following the crowd (seems scummy) but he's not posting enough to make it obvious that he's trying to be lynched. I doubt he's the jester.

[Rishi]

We could always lynch Sun Tzu. He's just following the crowd (seems scummy) but he's not posting enough to make it obvious that he's trying to be lynched. I doubt he's the jester.

He's been lurking, again, right? It's his meta. Whether he's scum or town, I'm not sure.

Right, but would he do that as the jester? You'd think the jester would be doing something to actively try to get lynched.

I guess I'm saying that, at this point in the game, when lynching we should think about who is NOT the jester rather than trying to figure out who is scum.

[Rishi]

I guess I'm saying that, at this point in the game, when lynching we should think about who is NOT the jester rather than trying to figure out who is scum.

FUCK NO! The goal is ALWAYS to lynch scum. If we lynch the jester, we've screwed up, but we are ALWAYS to hunt scum, not kill a lurker cause they aren't the jester! that's horrible.

I didn't say that was the only reason that we should consider a Sun Tzu lynch. I really feel like his posts have little content. He seems to be following other people's suspicions and attacking easy targets. The fact that he's lurking is a bonus. The fact that he has no avatar is a double bonus.

[Rishi]

Rishi, what's up? You start off with me, then try to get suspicion on Xtoxm, and then Sun Tzu. That's a bit odd.

Vote: Rishi

Well, you guys seem like easier targets than Kmd, who is my real suspicion.

[Rishi]

Well, you guys seem like easier targets than Kmd, who is my real suspicion.

Um, wow, I don't even know WHAT to make of this. If you are town, you tell everyone who you suspect and why! You don't go for the EASIEST TARGET! So, why do you think kmd is scum, and why aren't you voting him.

1. Not true. There are instances when townies should keep their suspicions to themselves.

2. I have no intention of answering this question.

[Rishi]

This business is starting to look really Scummy.

I don't like this post at all.

[Rishi]

cr3t1n: Who's alt are you?

I was wondering the same thing.

[Rishi]

wat is a alt

Alternate account. We are reasonably sure that this isn't your first account on mafia scum. This account seems like a gimmick, so they wanna know who you really are.

If you're reasonably sure that he's an alt, then why do you need to explain to him what it is? He's just pretending not to know.

Anyway, if he doesn't want to answer the question, he doesn't want to. That's fine. His posts are still a little annoying to read, but at least he's playing.

[Rishi]

He's given us more than some players. Sun Tzu, Xtoxm, Apothecary. Even The Jester to some extent. (The Jester's posts do contain reasonable content - but there's just so few of them.)

Wow. There's a lot of people I want to lynch. Pretty much everyone except for Skruffs and cretin.

[Rishi]

Well, when I said things are starting to look scummy I was refering to the fact Rishi was willing to take easy targets and lynch them. He then later admits that he would like to lynch multiple people. If that's a plan to at least try and find a mafia, it wouldn't be worth the multiple deaths of townies.

So in my opinion, Rishi is the person I suspect most of being a scum.

Ok, you should have clarified this. I agree that Rishi shouldn't be going after easy targets. If you have suspicions, speak up about it. And just saying "I am suspicious of this person but I'll talk about that after the easy targets are gone" doesn't count.

Man I was going to say that. You've pre-empted me.

[Rishi]

RAver: If he was scum, why would it make EITHER of us likely scum with him?

Right. I'm not that dumb.

[Rishi]

Ooh. I'm at L -1.

Self-hammer for the win?

[Rishi]

Planning the next day's lynch is a very powerful (And intentionally ignored) c. option, nice of you to forget it.

QFT.

[Rishi]

I can't believe no one sees the brilliance of the Skruffs plan.

The way that you guys jump at the slightest scummy behavior... not good in this game.

[Rishi]

How can more discussion possibly be bad?

[Rishi]

Ooh. I'm at L -1.

Self-hammer for the win?

what did you mean for self-hammer for the win? if you where town y would you ask. and i am sure the jester wouldnt ask if he can.

Someone has been spending too much time around cr3t1n.

[Rishi]

Wow. Apothecary is acting weird. I don't like this "disjointed mind" excuse. And I also don't like how he just jumped on my bandwagon putting me at L -1. I mean, I think at that point, there was a good possibility of me being the jester. I'm actually starting to like him a little for being a jester right now. He's definitely calling attention to himself. And maybe he knew it was safe to put me at L -1.

In any case, there's no reason for me to act jestery any more since it's pretty much been proven that I am not the jester. (But, you know, guys, you should have thought of that BEFORE you put me at L -1.) I was following the Skruffs plan. Now, I don't want to hear any more yelling or arguing about why you guys think it's stupid. Here's the thing. The Mafia will have a distinct advantage in this game once the jester is gone. At that point, everyone can start acting town and the Mafia will find it easy to blend in. The town will have no power roles, and will be in lylo fairly soon after that. You can all throw temper tantrums if you want about the horribleness of what I did, but if three experienced players (me, Skruffs, Xtoxm) are all thinking it's a decent idea, it can't be completely off base.

I'm convinced that the actual scum are hiding amongst the people who are trying really hard to act townie right now. That's why I fingered Kmd earlier. I am convinced there's at least one scum amongst Kmd, forbiddan [sic] and Crazy.

[Rishi]

Rishi, how the heck does the Skruffs plan even work? If it's in the mafia's benefit to kill the Jester, like you just said, then how would everyone acting like Jesters help?

Because the Mafia wouldn't know who was the jester. If only one person is acting like the jester, then it becomes patently obviously.

You realize if the jester remains alive, we force the Mafia into killing the scummiest players for us. Sounds like a good situation to me.

[Rishi]

Guys, he's acting jestery, like we all should be. Sheesh.

I think Xtoxm is town. There's this quote here and another post where he says he likes Skruffs' idea.

[Rishi]

Also, too much jester speculation helps scum. If you really think we're about to lynch the jester, speak up. But, otherwise, I don't see how this is super productive.

[Rishi]

Eh. Consider it a modification of the plan. I have no idea what the Mafia will try to do. We'll have more information tomorrow when we see if a really pro-town player or a jestery player winds up dead.

[Rishi]

And apparently, we don't want a 'No Lynch' on Day one.

We don't. The scum will quickly outnumber us if we No Lynch. And it gives us no information to go on.

I don't like how Xtoxm's last post was fishing for jester information even after we talked about how jester speculation is bad, at least for now.

If my bandwagon dried up, who should we lynch? I'm starting to like a Sun Tzu lynch.

[Rishi]

Can someone PLEASE tell me why this is even a halfway good idea? I mean, I've read every post and so far it's only saying killing the jester gives the mafia an advantage. Um, wouldn't focusing on killing the mafia NOT give them an advantage? I guess I want a better explanation.

How do you tell the difference between Mafia and a jester?

Of course we want to catch the Mafia, but what traits does the Mafia exhibit that the jester does not?

[Rishi]

Well, Mafia are people who craft their posts to seem innocent, while Jesters often fake their posts to poorly hide a fake scumtell.

Townies are people who only have to worry about saying something that SEEMS scummy.

Was asking forbiddan [sic]. Still would like her to answer.

[Rishi]

Mafia want to look good. Though they might use the jester as an excuse to let themselves slip a bit. But either way, the mafia still can be caught through their actions, even with a jester mixing things up. If you have everyone acting jesterish, i.e., scummy, then you are creating a lot of noise for the mafia to hide it. I don't like that plan at all.

So, if Mafia wants to look good but might slip on occasion, why have all your votes been for people who have been acting jestery? Shouldn't you be looking for people who are trying to act like town but failing?

[Rishi]

You're not an idiot.. I used "The Jester", not "A jester",a nd the name and role are going to get mixed up.
AT LEAST AS LONG AS JESTER IS ALIVE... or the jester.. or both...

Are you hinting at something?

[Rishi]

I don't understand why everyone unvoted because Rishi isn't the Jester. That makes him more likely to be scum. Even a random lynch of someone we are sure is not the jester is a good day 1 lynch.

Other than the fact that I'm not the jester, how is a random lynch of me better than a random lynch of you? At least I contribute.

Every time you post, you don't add anything to the conversation. You just rehash arguments that have already been made.

Also, Crazy, if I were scum, I would probably never have tried acting jestery. I did almost get lynched, after all.

I'd like to see cr3t1n post more, but I'm really not interested in lynching him at this point.

[Rishi]

He was talking to me. He messed up the quote tags.

But it's still a good point, Crazy.

[Rishi]

Let's throw on some more votes. I'm willing to switch my vote if a better idea comes along.

Unvote, Vote: Sun Tzu

[Rishi]

You guys don't have the balls to lynch me.

Hmm.

[Rishi]

I lost count. Is that a lynch or is it L -1?

[Rishi]

Well, that sucks. What now?

Why so forlorn?

[Rishi]

Why so forlorn?

We lynched a townie, and a townie was NKd. We STILL have to worry about the jester, and we haven't found scum at all. This is a bad start.

That's Mafia sometimes. Sun Tzu was essentially a deadline lynch, not really an informed lynch. And I think Apothecary was an honest attempt by the Mafia to hit the jester.

I've found in my face-to-face games that the first player to complain about losing a townie is often a member of the Mafia. Most people don't comment in the manner that you just did in online games (since it attracts unnecessary attention and doesn't really add anything to the game), so I'm not sure if it holds up. It's still notable, though.

[Rishi]

wat is tj

tj = The Jester (the player).

[Rishi]

I've hosted face to face games and found everyone usually complains about a town kill at around the same time. But, either way, I guess I was honestly hoping to hit scum or see the jester dead.

True. I've often seen people overreact though as Mafia (or werewolves, which is what we usually play).

Yeah, I suppose I know this, I've played enough games...but I guess because I'm used to screw ups due to 72 hour deadlines (at the other places I play), I hoped a 3 week game would lead to more...discernable lynches.

Yeah, our lynches are usually slightly more informed here, but I think (from what I've seen anyway) the quality of play on this site is generally higher than other sites. Unfortunately, that goes for the Mafia as well. Bad players (like Sun Tzu was) often get lynched on Day 1.

[Rishi]

i have a feeling skruffs is the jester.
wasnt your idea to have everyone act jestery? i didnt see how that would work before and now i have a feeling it hurt the town more then helped.

Please explain further.

[Rishi]

Yeah, but the Mafia also have to worry about the jester. They have to be careful about steering us into lynching someone they think is the jester.

Seriously, I don't like how people in this thread are starting to spell gloom and doom just because we have two townies left.

[Rishi]

EBWOP: Because we're two townies down.

[Rishi]

Ok, Apo was NK'd. Everyone says it was an attempt at finding the jester. I'm not so sure of that. I put out a little suspicion on Apo. Not much, but enough that it was there. Some one may have been trying to make the connection that I'm scum because Apo was NK'd.

Uh... I don't think that anyone made the connection because you brought it up. It seems odd that you did.

[Rishi]

The mafia are hurt if they kill hte jester. I Really really do not like how you are trying ot paint the mafia as jester hunteres when they are obviously not trying to kill the jester, since they killed a pro-town acting player.

There was a bit of speculation towards the end of Day 1 that Apoth might be the jester.

[Rishi]

Well, the best way for them to blend in is to wait and see if others do so first.

Also, where did Rishi disapear to?

Here. Sorry.

Will re-read and catch up tomorrow.

[Rishi]

Sorry I didn't get a chance to do that re-read yesterday. Will do so soon (definitely before leaving for Gen Con).

[Rishi]

Sorry. Didn't get a chance to do my re-read, but I think that fact that I'm logging in from Gen Con and not doing about a thousand fun things I could be doing shows I care about this game, at least a little.

We are talking in circles. I don't like how forbiddan (and others) keep bringing the conversation back to "the plan" and how it doesn't make sense. It seems like something scum would do to distract us from scumhunting. It's easy to hide your alignment when doing setup discussion because everything you say is theoretical. You're not pushing for a specific lynch and take no actions that you can be held accountable for. Some people like "the plan." Some people don't. Arguing about it isn't going to convince people.

In any case, Kmd and forbiddan are tops on my scum list, because I think, from Day 1, their plan was to blend in with the town. If townies are acting jestery, it makes it a lot harder for them to hide. That's why they keep trying to convince people not to act jestery. Also, there's no better way to kill conversation than to beat dead horses. Less information and convo helps scum.

I pretty strongly feel Skruffs is town, for the record.

[Rishi]

Vote: forbiddanlight

I like how you conveniently pulled out quotes that demonstrated the points you wanted to make and then continued to beat dead horses. Are you not listening to what I'm saying?

This discussion about whether people should or should not act jestery is DEAD. I don't see how this discussion continues to be productive. Let's scumhunt, please.

And, Kmd, an attack on cretin? Really? You're pointing out that he has no reasoning in his post and he should provide some? And you actually expect him to say something? Really? It seems like you're trying to look pro-town by pointing out the painfully obvious.

[Rishi]

Posting in all my games: Back home, but things are a bit busy right now. Will get caught up in my games tomorrow.

[Rishi]

The Jester and Kmd are my top suspects.

reasoning?

Okay. Caught up.

More lazy "participation" by Kmd. How hard is it to ask for reasoning? He often tries to look pro-town by asking for people to justify their suspicions (putting in the absolute minimum amount of effort in order to look pro-town), but he rarely posts suspicions of his own.

[Rishi]

I asked for reasoning because when you post who is suspicious without reasoning, the person can't defend themself and nobody knows what your case is.

As for my own suspicions, I posted earlier that all I am seeing is WIFOMy suspicions but I can't really use that because the group I'd be looking at includes myself.

I am noticing that people are looking into that same group though. The players who didn't like the jestery plan. (Me, Forbidden, Crazy)

I'm not denying that posting suspicions without reasoning is suspect, but it seems like that's all you do with your posts. I mean, anyone except maybe fresh-out-the-box newbies can levy this criticism. My point is not that the criticism isn't valid, it's just that it's too easy. You're only scratching the surface and not delving deeper into anyone's posts. The fact that you don't find anyone scummy is further evidence that you're being lazy.

I don't think that forbiddan [sic] is right that you're not paying attention, but you're not reading as carefully as you should be.

[Rishi]

Hmm. I'm okay with a Kmd lynch at this point. Probably not forbiddan [sic].

Unvote

I would not want to see Skruffs lynched. I need to re-read The Jester since others are finding him scummy. Is there a case on him? You don't need to reiterate it if there is - just point me to a post.

[Rishi]

Rishi just hopped up on my susspicions list for saying he thinks I am town. Seems like buddying to me.

Said I don't want to see you lynched.

[Rishi]

I pretty strongly feel Skruffs is town, for the record.

Oh. Right.

Still feel Skruffs is town.

[Rishi]

Wait, what? Before this, you say you only "didn't want to see him lynched", not that you thought he was town. Now crazy shows you where you said you think he is town and you come out with what looks like a "Oh yeah, is that what I think? Yeah, I think he's town then."

FoS Rishi

Seriously, dude, try harder.

[Rishi]

Wait, what? Before this, you say you only "didn't want to see him lynched", not that you thought he was town. Now crazy shows you where you said you think he is town and you come out with what looks like a "Oh yeah, is that what I think? Yeah, I think he's town then."

FoS Rishi

Seriously, dude, try harder.

Is that honestly the only defense you have for your inconsistency? I'm beginning to see the other's point of view on you. Downplaying this point is NOT a defense. Why did you backtrack?

I really have no defense. I know that some time has passed in between those two statements and my opinion of Skruffs has changed somewhat. But I got caught in an inconsistent statement, stemming from inattentiveness more than anything else.

Obviously, there is no defense here. However, I really don't like how Kmd jumped on by pointing out the painfully obvious. He even explained it for the rest of you in case you didn't realize what an idiotic statement I made.

With the deadline coming up, I'm good with a Kmd lynch. He's trying hard to look town without actually contributing anything useful.

Vote: Kmd4390

[Rishi]

The deadline is the 31st. That's a little over a week.

Then I won't be voting Kmd yet. I still feel stronger about Skruffs. I'll see if I can build more of a case than the Jester plan.

Skruffs is a lot more likely to be jester (role) than Kmd.

[Rishi]

Huh.

I think that the shot at Skruffs was an honest attempt at hitting the jester. So we know the Mafia's plan at this point. I have a couple of jester suspicions, but most of my strong ones are gone.

I would be okay with a Crazy or forbiddan lynch. I'd need to re-read to consider lynching The Jester (player).

[Rishi]

Still need to catch up a little in this game, but how can I be the jester? Why wouldn't I have self-hammered on Day 1 for the win?

[Rishi]

Read before posting. It helps.

Right.

You know, I wish cr3t1n was playing in more games. It might help in getting a read on him.

[Rishi]

I think that he's an alt and would probably use a similar playstyle in other games too...Could be wrong, though.

Yeah, but I don't think he'll tell us who is his primary account.

[Rishi]

Okay, did my re-read. I agree with The Jester (player) that a little bit of speculation on who the jester (role) is could be useful at this point. I think the Mafia, with the Apothecary and Skruffs kills also want to kill the jester and we should help them out. Obviously, me and The Jester couldn't be the jester. I don't see it being Crazy or forbiddanlight either, because they haven't really done anything to make themselves get lynched. That leaves Xtoxm, raverblood and cr3t1n.

As many have said before, cr3t1n is unreadable. He hasn't played in any real games besides this one, and his scant posts elsewhere on the site are like his ones here. If you look at the way that he signed up for games, he was using the same posting style. So he planned on playing this way from the very beginning. By coincidence, he might have gotten the jester role, but the only reason I would suspect him is by process of elimination.

I don't think raverblood has been playing a particularly pro-town game, but he also hasn't done much to get himself lynched either. His posts look like they are trying to be pro-town. Anyone have a meta-read on him? I wouldn't say that lurking puts him off the hook though. We did lynch Sun Tzu for lurking.

That leaves Xtoxm. He kind of followed the Skruffs plan on Day 1 by acting jestery and was acting a little off before the plan was being revealed. Now he does seem to be acting a little more pro-town, because it's obvious we aren't going to lynch those people who were acting a little crazy. His best chance of getting lynched is to look pro-town and then slip up. He's also been solidly in the middle - not too town and not too scummy, which means that he isn't going to be a target for scum no matter which way they try to kill. So, Xtoxm is my pick for a smart jester. Someone who isn't trying to win on Day 1, but somewhere down the line.

And I'm sorry... not going to hammer The Jester (player). He's actually making sense to me. My picks for Mafia are 2 out of the following 3: raverblood, forbiddanlight [sic] and Crazy. As I said, raverblood's posts look like they are trying to be pro-town. As for forbiddanlight, she's had a couple of moments where she's tossed out votes for no reason. Also, as I pointed out on Day 2, it felt like she was trying to cover up the fact that she wasn't posting suspicions by doing a lot of setup discussion, so it seemed like she was contributing without saying anything. As for Crazy, well, Skruffs was suspicious of him, and I think Skruffs is a good player. Also, Crazy has, from the get-go, been trying to look very townie. (Yes, I believe the Mafia would want to look townie in this game - which is why they are killing off the people who are not acting townie. It makes it easier for them to hide.) Finally, Crazy, me and Xtoxm are the only players who were on both lynches. I find it unlikely that both lynches were scum-free.

Still would like to hear more from raverblood and cr3t1n. My suspicion on Xtoxm as jester is partially by default, since I don't feel like I have enough of a read on them.

Sorry... this post turned out longer than I expected.

[Rishi]

I guess he wanted a chance to act like an idiot without getting his reputation ruined.

<shrug> It won the game for him. Who are we to criticize?