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[PlusJOYED]

What up yo
I recognize the worst and IV, nice to meet the rest of ya
I'll start catching up soon but I may be VL/A a bit this weekend

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worst ur triggering my hedgehog ptsd and ur pfp doesn't help

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VOTE: PlusJOYEDVOTE: PlusJOYEDVOTE: PlusJOYEDVOTE: PlusJOYEDVOTE: PlusJOYEDVOTE: PlusJOYEDVOTE: PlusJOYED

130 pqges to read AND people voting me right off the bat? This is gonna be fun

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first 20 pages impressions: nepthenes seems a little scummy from gut read

IV is townie, he seems self sacrificing with those jokes and he acted same way when he was VT in hedgehogs

The worst feels a lil scummy, shitposting more when they didn"t at all in hedgehogs but it is RVS so it's a weak lean. Last time I SR'd them I was wrong though

I love the prior posting style of zombie apocalypse. but he seems very random

suadade feels townie based on gut read

lavar is null rn

is saudade sausage?

norwegian's pfp is cute i need to read Nag

unabomber showed up late but is extremely agressive? damn son. Feels a little scummy to do so this early

I liked the convo with the worst and norwegian page 19, agree with norwegian

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my brain tired post work I'll read more later. Wanna give myself time to process each 20 page block

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is saudade sausage?

yes he's also dead

norwegian's pfp is cute i need to read Nag

also dead, also cute

unabomber showed up late but is extremely agressive? damn son. Feels a little scummy to do so this early

how so?

why would a townie flip out like that? It's not very helpful to town and to me feels like they wanted to prove themselves as townie early. I SR them atm first impression

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did zombie claim neapolitian? Like the ice cream? I'm gonna go look up what that does one sec

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?????
when/why did he claim that?

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did zombie claim neapolitian? Like the ice cream? I'm gonna go look up what that does one sec

You confirmed your role pm. In a normal.

My vote is spiritually here

No i saw from page 128

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I'm genuinely confused why since I'm not neapolitian. Are you trying to trick me since I didn't read the whole thread? The maf got a kill and it wasn't on me.

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I guess in a closed game making a fake claim isn't as damning as an open one compared to a newbie game

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where the fuck did he get such a specific fake claim and why
I guess in hopes he would become a mafia target and be protected?

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god damn I replaced into one hell of a slot

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I'm at 4? votes rn? with 6 to elim? normally I wouldn't claim but given these bizzare circumstances I will. I'm a vanilla townie

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My only idea why zombie would claim neapolitan is to attract maf attention by faking q pr claim in hopes to die n1 or to attract maf attention and be protected

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do i believe that elephants would fakeclaim n2-3 neap in an attempt to draw nks or manipulative roles?
sure i do

do i think that happened in this game?
mmmmmmhrm

well if you guys wanna elim me I ask that you make a point of it before I put a bunch of effort into defense/reading 100 more pages with solving effort and I get invested. I'll be back tomorrow

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true enough, I'm just fussy I replaced into a slot that fakeclaimed

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I believe that plusJOYED is at E-2 without N_M on the wagon, so, basically, an E-1.

I am ready for the day to end, personally, but I feel like others may want more from the day.

Unless anyone has a compelling reason for this slot not to be elimmed, speak now or forever hold your piece.

I don't like this logic

Suppose I am town. I've replaced into a slot that fakeclaimed and my only way to prove is through townie behavior and efforts to solve. This would take that away before town could change their minds on killing me.

Suppose I am scum. Why not let the day play out for as long as possible so to let me have a chance to incriminate my partners?
Unless you're my scum partner, which would make the most sense, but I know that's not true in this case.

Either way, as omgussy as this sounds from me, I don't like this post one bit and pings me as scummy.

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Sucks that my chance to prove im actually a tracker today got messed up but osuka fixed it as soon as he could and the fact I posted immediately after thread unlock should add some credence to that
So if youre going to call me scum I would like my proper title of Scum Tracker to be used thanks

I rly tr iv am i just biased bc I have no defenders besides him

Im willing to accept 99% town SS its not worth it to worry about

sounds like you might be pocketed

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I dislike that logic it seems very flawed.
VOTE: foureyes

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Like I said I'm still confused as to why VT zombie would do something like that. But why else would he do something like that at the start of day 2 without any pressure on him? He probably expected to die n2 to save a real town PR kill

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I feel like this is some sort of elaborate troll on me from zombie.

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why haven't you voted me yet 4 eyes? Are you wanting to protect your town image?

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I'm pretty confident I'll be miselimed today, I just wanna take down a scum with me

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worst, what do you think about 3350 vs 3353?

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- zombie had already set up this fakeclaim on d1. I think scum are more likely than town to set up fakeclaims early like that.
- maybe that’s what plus is trying to make us think? by claiming something different from their predecessor? that it’s too stupid for newbscum to do?

If he's vt wanting to fake claim a pr to draw maf attention and die/get protected, I think it makes all the more sense to breadcrumb day 1 in hopes maf might catch it. Do I agree with it though? nah it was still a dumb idea imo

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worst, what do you think about 3350 vs 3353?

I'm a bit intoxicated and the mech side of the discussion isn't really doing anything for me. i feel like four is trying to double down on burying you when you're basically in quicksand tho which is.....feeling kinda like useless content when we have two other scums to find if he's right .....

That's kind of what I was thinking too. He said scum would distance themselves from me, but that seems kind of easy to catch in hindsight day 3

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I think 4eyes is my main SR atm I still need to read day 1 though

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Starting to wonder if worst is hard pocketing me since they know I'm afraid of them. And if scum!worst defends me here and I die and flip VT, they could get towny points, but in reality they knew I was town. And if I survive they think I'd vote with them

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SR are currently the worst and 4eyes

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yeah I could see it

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nvm can I revote joyed

someone help me

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Where do you guys feel on the worst? From my perspective it looks like pocketing me but I also haven't read their iso

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who is duck?

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idk how the worst plays maf so I'd be inclined to take SS's word for it but it still feels pockety to me

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Maybe, but I was sussed out hard by everyone including the worst. Why would scum worst try to express a TR on me then backpedal?

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Lilith seems pretty town, sounds like a town thought process/flow from what I've seen day 2

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Billy seems a little defensive here and I don't understand why

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SS's point is that we have rolestopper!una who we can direct to rolestop a neapolitan claim and protect them for another night, forcing a result. una outed his rolestopper role before zombie's claim, so vt!zombie would have known that una could have rolestopped zombie to get a result. at what point was zombie intending to reveal that the claim was fake? after we wasted the rolestop on him?

yeah because zombie claimed after una (which I just found out una claimed rolestopper from this post) I'd argue that it supports my theory of zombie trying to attract maf attention and waste an nk on me or una off a 50/50 to confuse maf into attacking una or me if theres another tp. The problem is why they would make up that it's gated, when that makes it more confusing and a less likely target?

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I don't really understand why una claimed rolestopper either

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did he claim rolestopper day 1 or day 2?

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Billy seems a little defensive here and I don't understand why

What seems defensive?

referring to being heavy pocketed by worst mainly after it seemed to me like he was pocketing me.

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SS's point is that we have rolestopper!una who we can direct to rolestop a neapolitan claim and protect them for another night, forcing a result. una outed his rolestopper role before zombie's claim, so vt!zombie would have known that una could have rolestopped zombie to get a result. at what point was zombie intending to reveal that the claim was fake? after we wasted the rolestop on him?

yeah because zombie claimed after una (which I just found out una claimed rolestopper from this post) I'd argue that it supports my theory of zombie trying to attract maf attention and waste an nk on me or una off a 50/50 to confuse maf into attacking una or me if theres another tp. The problem is why they would make up that it's gated, when that makes it more confusing and a less likely target?

- why claim that it's gated?
- why claim at all given that we already had a tracker claim that was as of yet unresolved? I'd maybe see the fakeclaim as reasonable if nepenthes had been confirmably guiltied and/or was eliminated today, leaving the n2 NK open; or if zombie was scumreading nepenthes; but I don't think either applied

I don't know man. Regardless of alignment is seems like a huge misplay

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Maybe the whole n2 and n3 thing was to make it more believable since it's more specific?

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I still don't like the logic of four wanting to end the day early but no one else seems to have mentioned it yet besides myself

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@Joyed - If he's confident I dont consider that weird
He left room for other players who wanted more day to get that day

@Lilith No and its not for a good reason
Logically all of Fours play has been sound and I doubt Id catch him today with this stance because I agree with it

That reasoning makes sense to move him back to null for now

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idk how the worst plays maf so I'd be inclined to take SS's word for it but it still feels pockety to me

do you not follow my train of thought / do you think my read on you last night was made up? at what point did you realise I'm an evil scumbag trying to pocket u?

this is for joyed only everyone else pls let him answer

everyone else SR me who replaced into this slot except you defended me so I thought it was odd. I listened to something on a podcast once that the best way to brainwash someone is to torture them and then give them Gatorade or some other small favor/thing and the victims bad circumstance will amplfiy the motive and mass of the good deed. Kinda reminded me of my current situation and how it would be the best way to pocket someone

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you said you torture me in one of your posts so i brought it to mind

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plus pocketing a replacement in trouble is like the best way to pocket imo

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I was wrong on you once before but I don't think I'm wrong now
UNVOTE:
VOTE: the worst

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I told you worst, it was whenever you started pocketing me is when I first posted it

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what am I at? E2 I think?

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I think it's E-3. Me, lilith, IV.

4eyes too i think

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Let's go over this again ...
I replace into a slot that fakeclaimed
everyone SR's me immediately, including the worst
I put in effort to read a bit and appear townie
Worst backpedals and TR's me for some reason, hoping to pocket a sinking townie
I call out worst and they flip and turn on me, SRing me

This doesn't feel TvT. This is a bold scum worsty trying to recruit a pocket

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I told you worst, it was whenever you started pocketing me is when I first posted it

I never started pocketing you, lol.

looked pretty pockety to me and ill hold that opinion till my final twilight

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Let's go over this again ...
I replace into a slot that fakeclaimed
everyone SR's me immediately, including the worst
I put in effort to read a bit and appear townie
Worst backpedals and TR's me for some reason, hoping to pocket a sinking townie
I call out worst and they flip and turn on me, SRing me

This doesn't feel TvT. This is a bold scum worsty trying to recruit a pocket

nobody is giving you an inch and the day is turning into a Kill JOYED sesh. Which is more probable

1) town!worst gets anxious because nobody is talking about the alternative & while wasted suggests we may be wrong on you then changes his mind when sober because he pretty quickly lost flair for the argument

2) scum!worst sees everyone try to miselim you and decides to stick his neck out to try and townread you even though you're probably gonna die anyway and it will accomplish nothing except make him look worse by already knowing your alignment -- keeping in mind pocketing you when you're about to die is fucking stupid because scum!me actually needs to work slots who will be alive at endgame

lmk what u think

I think it's 2. It's something so blatant that it's hidden in plain sight. If I live, you would get townie points if I die green and a firm pocket if I live. The fact you immediately swung back around to attack me and call my logic ridiculous supports this conclusion. You just didn't expect me to call you out so you want me dead, which you'll probably get, but I know I've found a scum for town to elim day 3 after I flip VT, which is the best I can hope for given this slot.

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fair enough, flip worsty when i flip green doe

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yall trying to make me read day 1 but it's not gonna work, I'm going hard with IIOA here cuz im the d2 elim
Ignorance instead of analysis

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feels like deja vu kinda

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why am i still alive?

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ack gg you got me
i was scum neap 2,3

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what a tough slot to replace into for my first scum game

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what should i have done differently ya think?

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you actually just slipped and didn’t realize elements claimed the 2,3 then just went with it? lol

yeah

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bah

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ggs town