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weak crumbs

pedit: ok then you die now
VOTE: gypyx

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inb4 vengefull bulletproof, vig and ascetic neighbour doctor lol

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gypyx amiright ^^

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yeah i'm calling it

this is the adjusted baLAnce for that game

with a gunsmith added to town power to make it right

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Anyways, i think the solve is either ico / ydrasse or ico / iv here

i'm… Always in your solve?

Even with all my memeing?

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gypyx those are terrible solves btw.

most in this game are gonna agree they are terrible...

what i'm really unsure of is: are they scummy?

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like, those solves are so out of the blue i don't really see them coming from scum?

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like, those solves are so out of the blue i don't really see them coming from scum?

what if gypyx was scum with say, BM, and didn't catchup with the game and didn't have partner to tell them about the game

the solves seem like 1 minute skimwork

don't get me wrong, i don't townread gypyx all of a sudden over a 'solve'

i just don't see the scum agenda behind it

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gypyx + mini isn't out of this world if gypyx flips scum

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is bm just hard claiming scum doc here

yeah that's what scum doc's do

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(jk)

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BM, we are not running up a third player right now

gypyx should probably be flipped

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running up as in

gypyx also claimed

i don't know if it's the best thing to have 3 day 1 claims ya know

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VOTE: gypyx

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and i'm an expert on reading Gypyx.

i'll have you know i am 1 for 1 in catching scumpyx

what's your record

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nice stats

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you got thoughts on mini? she's definitely on my list to look into tomorrow

yeah i got some thoughts but nothing hot and heavy

my beef is mostly the afk-potato Mini's been eating, despite being active elsewhere on site

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whats the rules for reading gypyx and why are you joining despite not being convinced

from what i remember, gypyx obvscums as scum, i didnt see that here. i'm reasonably happy we have a good townblock here and should win this game by process of elimination, so i'm fairly easygoing today.

i'm also considerably happy with the townblock but eh

you ain't in it

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well you hard claimed scum doc

i think they are cleared by gunsmiths?

no?

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well, your solves are still in my range so i guess

maybe you can apply for TownBlock tomorrow

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maybe you can apply for TownBlock tomorrow

as the Gunsmith I propose to reject BM's application if he doesn't obvtown soon

shhh, i'm just playing along with scumBM here so they don't fearkill me over you

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i've been avoiding interacting with datisi?

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if Shelly is a gunsmith of course, she could pull a good result tonight with quite a small pool to play with. I think if we flip town today, there's a case for massclaiming tomorrow to try and avoid 2 consecutive days of ExLo.

i mean

it's a gunsmith claim

you gotta account for fake guilties here

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why so sure on Ico anyway?

Gut
Interactions with datisi
Push on shelly

Gtg

wait i'm scum because of my interactions with datisi? I thought I just read that you said

lack of interaction?

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i think Gypyx is a townie cuz he's fine with dying and doesn't care, i think mafia would care more. if you're a townie, you should care more than this though!!

i have some bad feelings from you, battle mage :c

gypyx did exactly the same kind of play last time we got him to flip scum

so no, gypyx is perfectly capable of faking this kind of 'being fine with dying'

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if you were town here Gypyx, I don't understand why you didn't put up more of a fight

doesn't this make more sense from Gypyx if he's just a vanilla townie? i think he'd put up more of a fight if he was a powerful role or mafia..

again, last time we caught scum!gypyx they claimed vt and were looking like helping to solve the game post-flip

this is entirely in scum!gypyx range

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@Ydrasse: your triangle is almost like mine! we both have almost straight line graphs :>

@Battle Mage: hmmm i dunno. i was confused by post 928 as well because it seems

like an innocent mistake Gypyx made even if he is mafia

so why would it make you more confident

i didn't assume it was an innocent mistake, no. It could have been, but the fact is he cut out a key part of the sentence and then used this botched statement to reach a conclusion which:

A. Didn't make sense and was clearly not the most likely explanation for what I meant.
B. Made me look bad i.e. shading me.

Not that it would really benefit him to do that if he was scum I guess, given he has clearly accepted he is dying. So no, overall I suppose I'm not convinced he's scum, but I didn't like the seemingly intentional misrep.

I'm going to go for a soul-read though and VOTE: Staarling. The white-knighting of Gypyx screams informed-scum distancing from an inevitable townflip, and the bold above feels like a slip to get the alignment the wrong way around.

that's a bad vote if i've ever seen one

with hours to deadline, you wanna go away from a scummy slot, with 2 claims already, onto one of the most townread slots of day 1?

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VOTE: Battle Mage

seems to me that he changed his mind on me as soon as he saw i had some suspicion on him

i don't think that

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I see we are still a couple heads down so far

where's Mini and the Bailey?

Im here just didnt realise the game started lol.
I feel like you are town and from my understanding

you're fairly new to this?

lol this makes me so happy, and actually makes me think it ain't Ico-Mini. hmm....

It's definitely Mini + 1, given her iso, so maybe that's the starting point.

DID YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT UP

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why so sure on Ico anyway?

Gut
Interactions with datisi
Push on shelly

Gtg

wow

you say i've never initiated contact with datisi?
i mean, it's easily disproven lol

the fact he pushed shelly, or the way he pushed shelly? and what about the interactions with datisi? gimme some detail

Basically, make a quick ctrl+F "dat" in ico's iso, you'll notice he's never the one starting the contact with him, apart from that RVS townbin that he doesn't really reconsider through the game from what i've read (i get the lack of reconsideration but still)

And ico's push on shelly is a lot of poiting out bad reads and not really about shelly being scum, which like, town will never make a perfect game with all thier reads on point but yet ico will act like being wrong is being

scum

Anyways, i insist that i'm the better exe here, for gamestate sakes, like, should i self-hammer?

^^ this

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oops

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link medespite gypyx claiming town how are you so confident in a scum!gypyx world?

i am less certain about gypyx scum then last game, but it's still all here

and there is no way we find a better flip right now so...

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viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84074

iso gypyx

vt claim at around post 1500
and everything around it is similar to his play here, except no fake gambits i think

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honestly wasn't sure if it was hammer or not

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ico posted this meme in response to shelly calling him lamisty. From what I understand one of saudade's big tells early game at least from the two games i played with town!him is that when people are deflectiony to these early accusations in an attempt to seem like they don't care. I felt that this reaction somewhat fell into that category. You modded 2163 and saw how he used it to catch Kerset early. He caught me early as scum in 2160 with this tell as well, so I've seen a 2/2 success rate for finding scum with this tell which is incredibly high even with small sample size given the base rate should be 25%.

how was posting a 'come at me bruh' gif, deflectionary towards someone calling me out?

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rawr!

catching up today

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wait Ydrasse was really sure on shelly being mafia and she died in the night, what if shelly killed her to keep her quiet?
maybe i'm onto something here!!!
VOTE: shelly

you realize shellyc claimed gunsmith

and you just townspewed shellyc for ?? reasons

and now you scumread shellyc for ?? reasons

… computing results…

error...

town by default? I doubt scum comes up with stuff like this?

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me/shellyc/staarling/bm town

datisi better be town, i've not seen a solid reason to scumread them and i kinda townread them but you know

*paranoia*

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where does that leave scum to hide?

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mini and iv?

there's probably at least 1 scum in here yeah

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me/shellyc/staarling/bm town

whyyyyyyy is BM a towner?

why aren't they?

I feel like they are attempting to solve, they have reads, are pushing it

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i'm back!!!

so my early read today is that shelly is town because of the way Sirius was explaining how all flips are the same and the don't think too much part. if shelly were mafia, she would already know that Ydrasse was the mafia kill

wait Ydrasse was really sure on shelly being mafia and she died in the night, what if shelly killed her to keep her quiet?
maybe i'm onto something here!!!
VOTE: shelly

staarling I would on behalf of ico ask you to explain this trajectory on me

I had a tinfoil hat yesterday that staarling is really damn good scum but eh...

shelly, i doubt this is a scum!agenda trajectory
it's also construed in a very me/I kind of way, which points to being uninformed

it's a take that I think comes from (sorry) newbtown more then scum. And it's similar reasoning to which I've been townreading staarling throughout the game

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why not minimegabyte again?

yo BM

properly case Mini for us will you?

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town are me/ico/staarling/Dats

scum are iv/mini/BM, leaning towards the former two

With no surprises in the prevailing townblock we shall have a high chance of getting a red!flip today

datisi do you agree with the poe and solve here?

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what's your (datisi and shellyc) reasoning on iv scum?

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i needed to be reminded of IV's unwillingness to explain stuff

i'm down to vote IV yeah

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my vote would be E-1, yeah?

or did i miss smt

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VOTE: IV

E-1

let's hear a claim

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gotta move forward right

i don't see myself voting outside of mini/iv today

i townread both you and datisi

why not

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i agree with datisi here

also it's easier to just hold on to believing the townblock is a thing, at least until another flip

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bloody hell do we really have a whole new page about Shelly saying i'm tunnelling when i'm not, and people asking me to case mini when i have?

yeah, ill give it a miss for now.

BM, i iso'd you

there's literally nothing there

IF you have cased mini, it's not a big deal for you to quote yourself right?

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why not minimegabyte again?

yo BM

properly case Mini for us will you?

i did already (as much as im gonna do) - read back

please just quote it?

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BM please

it's REALLY not big of an issue

just quote what you consider to be your case on mini

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it's not an unreasonable request

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Mini's whole ISO is pretty much entirely a combo of complete fluff/stalling and kissing up to shelly. Not much evidence of actual scumhunting or a town mindset. In the context of this game where most players have put in some effort (Datisi, Iconeum, Shelly for instance), flipping Mini is a complete no-brainer.

^ i have no idea what anyone could possibly want, or expect, from a Mini-case. i also have no idea why we're flipping IV, but don't have a strong objection.

I thought you were talking about this post, yeah.

But do you realize the problem?

You push mini over fluffing/non-efforting where you admit to doing this yourself to some extent.

I also don't understand why you are upset with people not sheeping you on this post.

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major concern?? i provided reasoning on the late page, and you agreed with it? so where's your major concern? and why have you ignored what happened?

lazy

Yes, I agreed with it. But it's pretty vague, don't ya think? fluff and stalling applies to a few slots in this gamestate here.

there is literally nothing else to say. let me put it another way - do you think, on balance, they've done enough to prove they're town?

Why are you giving crap to Shellyc about (town) mini, when they have mini in their PoE solve?

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Honest Ico TM* thoughts here

Shellyc is town
BM is town
IV is probably scum

BM is upset about people not blindly sheeping them *despite that grand and epic case they made*
BM needs to step down just a little, look at what they are using to push mini, and come to the conclusion that *just maybe* it's not as persuasive as they think it is

This game is not datisi!scum with IV!scum, nor is it shellyc!scum with IV!scum
This game is not BM!scum + Mini!scum

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IV scum with Mini flipping town probably points to BM being the partner tho

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I don't see an endgame where IV is alive and I'm happy about it

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I think that in the specific situation where IV flips red and Mini flips green, BM might be a partner yeah.

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IV + Mini don't win this game

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IV + BM don't win this game

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something silly like datisi + BM have a solid chance

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but I think an IV flip (pending claim) is just solid, and a lot of stuff can be worked out in a mass claim in LYLO anyway

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something about this game is completely de-motivating me. maybe it's the incessant random solves out of nowhere which involve me being scum somehow.

is it possible we can try and elim 1 scum first, and THEN work out who the partner is?

literally

nobody

is doing random solves that include you somehow

get the fuck off of your high horse and work with us here

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BM pls

take a step back and read the game

you *have* to be townreading at least like 2 out of 3 in me/shellyc/datisi right? ALL our solves for today are basicly IV + probably mini

with an established case on IV, that we ALL wanna see flipped

we ALL asked you to provide a case on Mini to which you basicly said 'No, i just want all of you to blindly sheep me as i'm not putting more effort into this game'
and then continued to just cry about how you are somehow in the solve today?

i don't get it

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yes i've been drinking

yes it's only 6 pm

sue me

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I had actually responded to your specific ask on the Mini case previously, so you've obviously ignored it.

i ignored it?

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Mini's whole ISO is pretty much entirely a combo of complete fluff/stalling and kissing up to shelly. Not much evidence of actual scumhunting or a town mindset. In the context of this game where most players have put in some effort (Datisi, Iconeum, Shelly for instance), flipping Mini is a complete no-brainer.

^ i have no idea what anyone could possibly want, or expect, from a Mini-case. i also have no idea why we're flipping IV, but don't have a strong objection.

I thought you were talking about this post, yeah.

But do you realize the problem?

You push mini over fluffing/non-efforting where you admit to doing this yourself to some extent.

I also don't understand why you are upset with people not sheeping you on this post.

then wtf was this?

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I think that in the specific situation where IV flips red and Mini flips green, BM might be a partner yeah.

you literally said you weren't doing this...and then you did it.

this is literally one of the most out-there options i put in
exactly 1 specific case pending 2 specific flips…

gtfo

BM seriously
i'm disliking you more and more here, but on a playstyle level

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Honest Ico TM* thoughts here

Shellyc is town
BM is town
IV is probably scum

BM is upset about people not blindly sheeping them *despite that grand and epic case they made*
BM needs to step down just a little, look at what they are using to push mini, and come to the conclusion that *just maybe* it's not as persuasive as they think it is

This game is not datisi!scum with IV!scum, nor is it shellyc!scum with IV!scum
This game is not BM!scum + Mini!scum

dude, im not pushing that my "grand and epic case" is persuasive. I'm simply saying, over and over again, that i've posted the only case that can be made on the lurkerslot, and I'm bored of people going "well BM won't tell us what his case is" because they ain't reading. you can say it's a shit case, but i'd love to see someone do better, rather than just whinge at me for not doing something i did.

i also dont know why, given you think im town, you're wasting time with solves which involve me as scum. despite saying you wouldn't.

this game!!

I THINK YOU ARE TOWN
I THINK THERE ARE A VERY VERY VERY FEW OPTIONS WHERE YOU POSSIBLY POTENTIALLY CAN MAYBE FIT AS SCUM

I'M WASTING MY TIME ON YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCKING UP ALL ATTENTION AND DRIVING US AWAY FROM WORKING TOGETHER

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Mini's whole ISO is pretty much entirely a combo of complete fluff/stalling and kissing up to shelly. Not much evidence of actual scumhunting or a town mindset. In the context of this game where most players have put in some effort (Datisi, Iconeum, Shelly for instance), flipping Mini is a complete no-brainer.

^ i have no idea what anyone could possibly want, or expect, from a Mini-case. i also have no idea why we're flipping IV, but don't have a strong objection.

I thought you were talking about this post, yeah.

But do you realize the problem?

You push mini over fluffing/non-efforting where you admit to doing this yourself to some extent.

I also don't understand why you are upset with people not sheeping you on this post.

erm no. my low-efforting is still me giving opinions, and getting stuck in. it's different from fluff.

i'm literally not upset with people not sheeping me, and i have no idea why you're STILL banging on that drum. i'm frustrated that nobody seems motivated to do anything other than moan about me not posting stuff which i did post.

jezus fucking christ get your head out o-

sorry i'm getting heated here BM - please stop

How can you honestly say we are doing nothing, when it's you who is actively sabotaging the townblock here?

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oh goddamnit and now the fucking lolhammer

sure

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at least it's on IV

tho i'd have loved to see a claim first because you know

POTENTIAL PR AND STUFF

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if this flips green i'm coming for staartling

they're dead then

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any and all of datisi/shelly/bm who are alive tomorrow

we can sit back and talk this thru properly this time without putting votes out there

tho i'm kinda with shellyc here, this feels more like an intended 'oops i hammered' post then anything else

now, who in this game would coach like that?

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now if this flips red

i'll sleep better

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but that hammer doesn't feel right lol

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tho i'm kinda with shellyc here, this feels more like an intended 'oops i hammered' post then anything else

now, who in this game would coach like that?

I'm not sure

I dont think Mini coaches staarling to do that
maybe BM

ngl, i think both BM and you would do that
maaaybe datisi, but more unlikely

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but holy shit if staarling v bm there is scumtheater i'll be damned lol

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as long as this doesn't flip town pr, i'm fine with it

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ngl, i think both BM and you would do that

admittedly, scum!me might have done that actually

i like to do wack things as scum tbh

alas I am town but IV please flip green so I don’t stress over this.

well this is awkward

is it a typo or?

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sCuMsLiP

also if i die and town reaches lylo where shelly is alive take a good look at claims etc etc

no no no

we are going to lylo together :p

->if neither of us is scum, they'll take us because paranoia
->if one of us is scum, they'll take us because pocket

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i'd be worried if all of BM/ico/shellyc/datisi are in lylo together

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how many posts can we squeeze out in lylo

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no u

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where is sirius im getting scared

u should be, u already sLipped once

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i'm just gonna pretend that won't happen so if iv does flip scum i can gloat tomorrow how i wasn't nervous At All during that twilight

twilight (and night in extension) is very painful as town imo

the paranoia + nerves + the feeling of the Big Scary Informed Minority looming over you

u never know when the scums will come for you

#notathreat
#orisit?

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the flip

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is anybody LAMIST reading me yet?

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you assume you are going to be alive
and that it's going to be lylo

ok

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you see, the joke is that saying that implies you know tomorrow is lylo
which makes you caught scum

ico stays in the townblock, but we reboot in [POSSIBLY TOMORROW] lylo

satisfied?

backtracking

gottem

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i did not say the word tmr btw so don't know how you got there

it was kinda implied

and you seem awfully defensive about this

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aaight boys n girls

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Unless anyone wants to proceed to massclaim, this game *should* be solved by executing Mini into BM

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that's L-1 already btw

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i do not have a spicey result :s

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hey my townie friends

is it normal for scum to be multitasking?

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just checking because reasons

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contemplating just potentially ending this game here

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i think there's like... A Reason why i'm alive right now, and i wanna see if i'm right on that Reason

paranoia?

I'm not sure there's much to be paranoid about you

you're TRing ico but so am I

hey if you wanna confirm me as town just tell me

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like, the 3 of us have a solid townread on each other, and our PoE (that got us scum flipped), is still the same

discussion isn't going to progress that into something outside of (mini/bm) here

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honestly, BM feels like town who caught scum and was just fighting us over their scumread

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like, the 3 of us have a solid townread on each other, and our PoE (that got us scum flipped), is still the same

discussion isn't going to progress that into something outside of (mini/bm) here

ico why arent you hammin' then? if you think we should just End The Day

because we are all here and it's cozy

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and truth be told, yeah i'm slightly paranoid about you being alive :p

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but seeing how i'm going to the next day anyway if we are mistaken, i wanna get my bearings right

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and truth be told, yeah i'm slightly paranoid about you being alive :p

I'm slightly confuzzled but I don't think mini!scum realises optimal night actions

this is in my head as one of a few possible reasons yeah

intent to hammer

i'd like to see a claim, Mini

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and truth be told, yeah i'm slightly paranoid about you being alive :p

this @ shelly or me? :p

the claimed gunsmith

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also like

BM is potentially scum because they pushed really hard against the flip that got us scum
and they replaced GB, which I found highly suspicious to begin with (the rep out)

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a pagetop for daddy

ps: don't look up fail gifs

it will suck you in

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and otoh, i think i wanna give BM more credit wrt night kills

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even this night, i don't think BM makes that kill?

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crumbs?

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full doc and full gunsmith?
hmm

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i'm thinking about doing this

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yeah i'm doing this

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there it is

shenanigans have been called

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alsooo i just realized that shelly was roleblocked instead of being killed even though she said she's a gunsmith.. is that normal for mafia to do?

That is a good question i would have thought mafia would have killed her aswell I’m not sure

yo doc

whattup with this?

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what are the odds of 2 town roles in a 9p mini that protect from kills?

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close to zero, right?

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i think ur scum

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what are the odds of 2 town roles in a 9p mini that protect from kills?

Didn’t realise Gunsmith protected people from kills?

it doesn't?

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BM claims next

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we are massclaiming, probably best option now with a claimed doc

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wait i misinterpreted the whole situation

i know whats going on, I retract 1352

please don't retract my posts

that's rude

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wtf lol i swear i thought that was mine

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1-shot rolecop and what looks to be a full roleblocker

vs full doc/full gunsmith/??

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is that on the high or low end for scum power vs town?

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1-shot rolecop and what looks to be a full roleblocker

vs full doc/full gunsmith/??

Why do you believe there is a third tpr?

i've got a feeling we are going to see more non-vt claims

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Mini is just scum here tho

They are covering up for a possible tracker or smt (because of shellyc being rolebocked twice)

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and you aren't exe'd yet

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got some reads for us?

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And I shouldnt be as a Town Doctor

that would depend on the remaining claims

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have you been reading the game?

the reasons appear to be unknown only to yourself...

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and in the scenario where you are today's flip, and you do turn green, it would be very helpfull to have your reads

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but if you really wanna know, i'm more interested in flipping BM over you today, pending claims

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i have indeed

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now

reads please

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Spoiler:

@mini probably need your reads on all the active slots so far, I especially want to hear about datisi and ydrasse

To be honest i really havent got anything that particularly stands out but from what i have read.

Ydrasse: Im really not knowing how to sort them/read them aorn. There is some things that ping as scummy but also things that ping as townie.
Scummy posts = 197, 207 - this one to me just doesnt make sense
More townie posts = 274, 280

So honestly no idea how to read them rn

Datisi: They are strange to me but they are someone i have never played with before so ive read just their posts and i dont know really. Its just weird i dont know how else to explain it. They talk about town readin people and then go to ask people why they themselves are town and it is really making me struggle to read them

other then your townread on the claimed gunsmith, this was the last actual read you posted

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everything since then was remarkebly absent of taking stances/content
and had a lot of stalling in it

so instead of AtE'ing and hiding behind a claim, how about you tell us what you think about players still alive in this game?

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Point being?

for the entirity of this game, you have expressed 1 townread on a claimed PR, and 2 reads where you said 'i don't know what to make of this slot'.
That's it.

I scumread you for it, that's my point.

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How about i do that when im less mad

what are you mad about?

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It makes no sense so feel free to explain why

PoE and claims

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Unless you’re scum and don’t care who we flip unless it’s you

I helped execute scum last day

what were you doing?

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Mini, if I'm scum and you are town. Why didn't I help BM push you yesterday instead of killing my partner?

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Well with Datisi/Ico I will really have to read isos a thousand times to see if anything sticks out as either alignment because right now I cant see anything to base a read on.

can't

see anything

to base a read on

we only have like

550 posts

to base that on

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I haven’t read in detail I have just skimmed and to be honest I probably should have replaced out considering most of the game I’ve been in hospital but I wanted to play cause it’s not often I get a Town PR so I have not read the game in depth

why were you mad?

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correct

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Because there was a point where you were town reading BM what happened to that?

PoE mostly
The fact that they fought so hard against what turned out to be a red flip isn't helping either

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I think you are scummier because you have a complete and utter lack of reads/progression in this game
Combined with the fact that town!BM still makes sense with an IV/Mini scumteam, yeah.

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Okay fair enough so just a hypothetical scenario

Say both me and BM flip green keeping this in mind before eliminating today who would you next look at?

There are 5 of us alive right now.

Ico/Datisi/Shellyc/BM/Mini

In a normal case, if both you and BM are flipped (green), assuming 2 nightkills, this game is LONG over by the time i need to worry about something like that.

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ok sherrif

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which part?

the one where I told you your hypothetical scenario isn't going to happen because there aren't enough players alive for that to be a thing?

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Well let me tell you this I AM A TOWN DOCTOR.

Now for a little bit let that sink into your brain

Why are you assuming that I need to take your words for the Holy Bible?

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In a normal case, if both you and BM are flipped (green), assuming 2 nightkills, this game is LONG over by the time i need to worry about something like that.

To me they way this is said is in a “I won’t be a night kill” kind of way

well, ur not wrong

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I did in fact treat your question from a pov where i'm not the nk

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Okay fair enough so just a hypothetical scenario

Say both me and BM flip green keeping this in mind before eliminating today who would you next look at?

So, you ask me a question about what I would do in a certain scenario, and then you take my answer and scumread me for it because I answer from a pov where i'm still alive?

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let's just get BM in here with a claim so we can get this show on the road

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was hoping to get some more chat in before my

weekend vla

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In a normal case, if both you and BM are flipped (green), assuming 2 nightkills, this game is LONG over by the time i need to worry about something like that.

how confident are you on both me/shelly being town? and how much will you be around on weekend

after seeing IV flip red, i'm comfortable that the solve is withing BM/Mini

i'm not around more or less then I am otherwise during weekend

but with deadline as it is, i see no real problem

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In a normal case, if both you and BM are flipped (green), assuming 2 nightkills, this game is LONG over by the time i need to worry about something like that.

how confident are you on both me/shelly being town? and how much will you be around on weekend

can i also turn this around and ask if you still agree with 'the solve' and are equally confident in shellyc and me?

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i just wish i was vengefull this game

that woulda been awesome lol

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Gypyx being all town would be pretty implausible.

improbable, not impossible

i've seen it happen somewhat recently

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theory would suggest Mini actually being doc, otherwise town seems rather light on power for now

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Ok we Flip bm now?

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pagetop

Datisi you claim and I'll go last

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Im a gated bulletproof

Unless important ill keep thé modified to myself

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I’m going to read everything and catch up cause I didn’t even know dag had started

I’ve just woken up I will catch up as soon as I can but I’m going to be at the hospital today but will jump on as soon as I can

I’m on mobile right now and most of what I can see are pretty long posts so I’ll catch this game up when I get home

Alrght im home I am going to catch up

I’m off to hospital so I will get on when I can

Hey all just a heads up I’m in hospital with a fractured back and neck so if I’m not very active thats the reason

Been discharged from hospital will catch up when I can

hi mini do you have reads at all

I have really missed i feel a lot of the game from being in hospital and even now i still cant move much or focus on things for a long period of time so i am slowly reading back

Not rightnow

Okay give me a couple hours then I’ll read the entire game

Sorry guys bit busy atm will post later

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Doc checker gunsmith no

Roleblocker one shot Ellecom

Balanced y/n ?

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Date is capabele of faking here

And they crumbs are bad
But mini is just scum i think

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Gunsmith bp checker

Rolecop x shot and rb

Makes most Sense?

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I don't think bp plus doc make Sense without a vig

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And they crumbs are bad

excuse me?

pedit:
perhaps. keep in mind the other scum role could still be gated or something

On phone sry for typos

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Heavy auto correct

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yep agree, it's mini first for sure. If not, we look between Shelly and Datisi.

Im Flipping you before datsi tho

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i was not talking about the typos, i was talking about the shade

Suck it

You knows im right

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yep agree, it's mini first for sure. If not, we look between Shelly and Datisi.

Im Flipping you before datsi tho

I don't think that makes sense, for setup reasons discussed above. For me to be scum here, setup definitely too town heavy.

Hmm
Actually yeah

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Bulletproof and doc

Yes of no

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tbh, i dont really see why Ico did want to claim last as a gated BP

Should be'obv after a doc claim

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if mini is town -

ico kind of pr slipped while interrogating mini so eh???

bm is alwayyyyys town
datisi is probtown still based off bm. GTH i'd put datisi above ico.

ico. hmmm.

I practical my claimde my role

Dient slip anything

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i even messed up the unvote so...

we will look at ico i promise mini!

No we wont

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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this is literally

my worst nightmare

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This day is in the situation of Eliminate or Lose.

so we are now in eLOL

indeed

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this is my first town lylo ever

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hot take

i was wrong about the town block

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one of you went for the hard bus

but who

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is datisi around? i wanna talk to him

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doctor
1-shot bp
checker
gunsmith (with no results)

1-shot rolecop
roleblocker or smt

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doctor
1-shot bp
checker

1-shot rolecop
goon

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doctor
1-shot bp
gunsmith

1-shot rolecop
roleblocker or smt



which is the most likely scenario?

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first scenario is out because BM got killed

soooo

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im pre-emptively claiming before E-1 so when my wagon dissipates we have more time to get to gypyx

I'm a

Town Gunsmith

. Yes, ungated. Yes, I may well be the only tpr.

crumb #1:

i think almost the whole plist knows that my inconsistencies is

ammunition

for scum to push on for a free misexe?

crumb #2:

ico seems really

firepower

-heavy this game and disagreeable which is another reason to TR them

so. ico talk to me about where your rough solve is now. has it changed?

i like the crumbs

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also claiming 1-shot bp?

yes

i hinted heavily at this

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i didn't like datisi's crumbs

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need to reread what happened on the IV exe

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datisi versus iv

fuck me that's not scum/scum interaction right?

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i didn't like datisi's crumbs

can you point of the *specifics* of why you dislike them?

IIRC they were a random selection of letters from 1 or several posts without any kind of structure in them

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both of you were solidly pushing IV

shellyc was the one to call me on board

but datisi interaction with IV is so far fetched to be scum

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ok i found the post

wasn't random

datisi prob town here

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datisi you know my claim is *probably* legit simply by the way i reacted to Mini, right?