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Man it's been many many months since I have been in a game this small I didn't even notice that it takes 4 votes to lynch. I don't think its real vote worry since this is a random stage, but it's a good thing to remember. Azrael hasn't even come in yet. I think with random voting pretty much done except for one player who has yet to check in.strife220 wrote:Well this random voting stage isn't going anywhere fast.
ObligatoryUnvote, Vote: Retrowizfor putting a player L-2 on page 1! Sure fire lynch here; this tell is never wrong.
Did you notice I posted 3 minutes after your comment to strife about me? I didn't even notice it when I typed my first comment to you. We may have been typing about the same time, but I get distracted as I do this while I'm "working".Mirth wrote:It was only sort of a joke and not random. I find it interesting that you only now pick up on that particular post after Strife already mentioned it. Any explanation why you only comment after he did?
Strife: In all seriousness now, I think you're being a bit hasty and this strikes me as suspicious. I am, however, not going to vote you (yet) because I'm leaving my vote on Farside for a reason.
I've decided to just vote you from here on in if you are going to follow me. I think I need a bodyguard.Mirth wrote:Fair enough. As to why I'm voting you:
Since I've been in a bunch of games with you, I've come to realize that you're darned hard to get a read on either way. Thought I'd vote you and see how you react. Congratulations, you pass for now.
unvote:Farside
There where would a game go if we didn't point out small "errors" or ask questions and put pressure on people after the random vote stage?sekinj wrote:I do think putting pressure on people because of small mistakes is valuable, but retro's error has been explained to my satisfaction.
I think I need to read things better.sekinj wrote:The game would go no where fast. I was AGREEING that putting pressure on people for small mistakes was GOOD. However, in the case of retro's error, I am satisfied with his answer.farside22 wrote:There where would a game go if we didn't point out small "errors" or ask questions and put pressure on people after the random vote stage?sekinj wrote:I do think putting pressure on people because of small mistakes is valuable, but retro's error has been explained to my satisfaction.
I'm trying to figure out between Azrael, Retro and sekinj what the heck is going on.Mirth wrote:vote:Azraelw.t.f.? Why are we talking about killing on page 3? Also major scum points for planning a kill.
Retro is not off the hook for me though.
Retract the claws!Mirth wrote:Oh, and before I forget, since Retro is so insistent that I go do something with my time, starting this weekend, I'm going to go into some training (evenings/weekends). This will last a couple of weeks, and while I'll still be able to check the forums every day, my posting rate will probably reduced from either busyness or exhaustion.
I know you did I was answering Retro's question directed to me.sekinj wrote:i already answered this.farside22 wrote: Retro asked about my comment towards Sek and frankly it's exactly as Mirth stated. She is defending you and I want to know her reasons for why she feels one way about a person versus another.
Vacation? Haha...I didn't realize giving up nights and weekends was a vacation.Mirth wrote:[quote="retrowiz"but have fun on your vacation, I'm sure you deserve it!
I know this wasn't directed at me, but as I was reading I was about to ask for an extension when I saw the mod's note. My reason's is that this is a busy week for me and I will be gone Labor day weekend. Maybe Mirth had her reason's for asking too. I dont' know, but I don't think it's scummy.sekinj wrote:@mirth: Why did you think an extension was needed? This actually makes me more suspicous of you, cause it makes you look like you are trying to hard to be townie.
No I saw you address Iam, but you didn't attack him when he defended Retro as Sej did. Why does he get a free pass?Mirth wrote:Because I don't like the pace of this game and I almost always beg for deadline extensions?sekinj wrote:@mirth: Why did you think an extension was needed? This actually makes me more suspicous of you, cause it makes you look like you are trying to hard to be townie.
Retro: because I feel like asking now.
Farside: because it's what I do when I'm appeased, I did respond to Iam's comment in 50, actually, you must have missed, Retro's explanation is a whole lot of backtracking (i didn't mean to vote them but its still random!). Why those people alone, because they're currently holding my attention. This may or may not change.
Retro: I don't particularly care if you vote me, but please do so for a valid reason. Look at the kinds of questions we're answering for each other. Really darn obvious ones that anyone could address. Besides, if we were scum together, you'd think we'd being trying to associate?
What did he not answer? Or are you saying his answers were lacking? I'm confused.sekinj wrote:retro not responding to me, or any other arguments effectively was another reason I voted for him.farside22 wrote:My vote stayed off during my vacation. I didn't want a quick lynch while I was gone. Also there are so many people pinging my scumdar.
Mirth and Iam interaction that bugged me early on.
sekinj change of heart after a reread is questionable
Retro's weird unvote, vote and newbie card
Azrael's asking for the cop to claim.
I'm surprised that Mirth didn't question Sekinj further. Even with what she brought up retro never reacted or stated anything from her one post to her vote for him.
I'm feeling either Mirth or Azrael scum at the moment.
Just mostly the fact that I felt and still feel Mirth was ignoring you and what you said and focusing more on others. You would say something that someone else stated and she just glossed over your comment, but attacked others.farside wrote:
Mirth and Iam interaction that bugged me early on.
What interaction was this?
I felt Iam was defending Az more then anyone. If Az had turned up scum I would be looking at Iam more for that interaction.Farside 195: why Iam if Az is scum?
I think if there was a deputy they would have said something by now. Doing this just seems like a waste of time.If everyone agrees that the deputy should out him/herself, I think we should do it in a popcorn claim style; vote on a person to go first claiming deputy or not deputy, then they pick the next person, and so on until we've all claimed.
This statement is playing a newbie card in my opinion.retrowiz wrote:being a newbie to this game, I've made mistakes in every game I plaed, and learned from them, but how does "tone and word choice" possibly help? is there a list of words to use if scum VS. town? since your experienced at this game I'd love to be educated on that! I figured most experienced players would have a good poker face and be consistant with tone and word choice in all games.Azrael001 wrote:Well after realizing that I didn't read part of the thread, I reread it, then posted my opinions. The posts aren't that long, and there are only 25ish posts per page. Catching up took about twenty minutes (probably, this was the other day I can't remember exactly and I don't care enough to check). I almost never base my suspicions on mistakes, but rather on tone and word choice. It usually serves me well.
If you want to lynch me for a dumb mistake go ahead, but it would be a mistake.
That's not wishy washy at all.sekinj wrote:lol I guess I can't help but come off scummy.
I wasn't convinced enough of the Az scum to drop the hammer, but neither was I convinced enough of his town to try to defend him.
I can't care for people who play like this. If you are town you should be fighting to make a point and not play coy.I've played the "well I might be scum card" both as town and as scum.
An answer for this would be nice. I was going to ask and saw Iam beat me to the punch.sekinj wrote:thanks for reminding me of this. I meant to answer, but I got distracted by the wiz-kid.iamausername wrote:sekinj, do you want to try answering my questions to you in #222? And, while you're at it, why do you think the town feeling you get from farside is 'fake' this time?
I'm not seeing an answer for why I seem fake to you in your response.sekinj wrote:See post 241.farside22 wrote:An answer for this would be nice. I was going to ask and saw Iam beat me to the punch.sekinj wrote:thanks for reminding me of this. I meant to answer, but I got distracted by the wiz-kid.iamausername wrote:sekinj, do you want to try answering my questions to you in #222? And, while you're at it, why do you think the town feeling you get from farside is 'fake' this time?
Because I didn't want to answer questions for her? That's scummy?sekinj wrote:EBWOP: Oh, nevermind. In answering all of iam's other questions I guess I forgot the one farside would be most interested in.
She can't be town all the time. I think it is odd that iam always thinks farside plays scummy, and I always thinks she plays townie.
In this game at first her and mirth were going side by side. When that was pointed out, mirth embraced it and said basically said that it could indeed be a scumtell, while farside distanced herself from it. That made it seem more like mirth was town and farside could be scum. I know when I am town I am less concerned that my action appear scummy.
You missed the part where I agreed with your logic.sekinj wrote:It just seems sudden on your part where mirth just went when the flow... that's what seems scummy.
The distance meaning I needed to step away and look more at you as a player in this game and not someone I should be silly with.Mirth wrote:This post bothers me a bit. Especially the buddying and the saying you had to distance yourself. Because I wasn't being silly, just answering your questions because I didn't think they should have been asked in the first place since it was obvious why you were voting Sek. I see no point in distancing here.farside22 wrote:Because I didn't want to answer questions for her? That's scummy?sekinj wrote:EBWOP: Oh, nevermind. In answering all of iam's other questions I guess I forgot the one farside would be most interested in.
She can't be town all the time. I think it is odd that iam always thinks farside plays scummy, and I always thinks she plays townie.
In this game at first her and mirth were going side by side. When that was pointed out, mirth embraced it and said basically said that it could indeed be a scumtell, while farside distanced herself from it. That made it seem more like mirth was town and farside could be scum. I know when I am town I am less concerned that my action appear scummy.
Eh I could see what you are saying. I've stated I felt that way about others myself, however I answered her question since she answered mine. I was being silly at the time, but when someone stated we looked like scum buddies I realized that I can't be silly just because I know Mirth and enjoy her play style. I had to distance myself from her because I typically see her as town and I realized she could be scum.
Sek: I tend not to back down from stuff regardless of alignment. Keep that in mind.
Please unvote. This is lylo situation. If you are wrong then scum can come in and quick vote. I think everyone needs to decide where they stand before we vote like this.iamausername wrote:I don't believe that farside is scum.
I don't believe that Mirth and retro are scum together.
Therefore, by process of elimination, sekinj must be scum.
At this point, I can't see anything convincing me that these conclusions are incorrect, so I'm going to be bold andVote: sekinj.
Why do you think they are the scum pair?Mirth wrote:Eh, my 2 cents: I think it' a Sek/Retro scum pair.
Please answer this:sekinj wrote:and it will be a loss for the town if it is followed through on...farside22 wrote: Iamausername: I understood why you did what you did, but it was risky. I don't know how often you are online, but doing such an act could have been a loss for the town.
Also Retro needs to answer the above as well. He seems to be MIA which bothers me.if you were to vote right now who would you vote for and why?
Ah I missed him being gone. Well that could mean he is mafia and that is why there was no quick lynch. So your theory is somewhat flawed with Retro away. Retro could still be scum with Mirth and even you.iamausername wrote:I am online afarside22 wrote:I don't know how often you are online, but doing such an act could have been a loss for the town.lot. And more importantly, it could only be a loss for town if I'm voting town, and I'm pretty sure I'm not.
farside22 wrote:Also Retro needs to answer the above as well. He seems to be MIA which bothers me.retrowiz wrote:I will be away till 22nd. I might be able to comment now and again, but sporatic at best.
Sorry about that.sekinj wrote:farside22 wrote:Please answer this:
if you were to vote right now who would you vote for and why?
I was working on it...
Why do you think those are the pairs and how is Mirth town.sekinj wrote:I think either iam/retro or iam/farside are the scum team. I think mirth is probably town.
I've been at this too much today.Mirth wrote:I already said I think they're scum partners. I don't understand your question?
Didn't you just say you thought Mirth was town not too long ago? Yes I noticed you stated you were flip flopping that doesn't make it ok.sekinj wrote:OKAY!! I thought about this. I know you guys are goignt o say I flip flopped, but here is my reasoning:
unbiased general scenarios given far's argument:
AA. Three townies agree and are correct = retro AND sek are scum
AB. Two town + one bussing scum agree =eitherretro OR sek are scum
AC. One town + two scum agree = retro and sek are town
specific scenarios given my knowledge of my own PM (sek=town):
BA. Two town (mirth/iam) + one bussing scum (far) agree = retro is scum
BB. Two town (mirth/far) + one bussing scum (iam) agree = retro is scum
BC. Two town (iam/far) + one bussing scum (mirth) agree = retro is scum
BD. One town (far) + two scum (mirth/iam) = retro is town
BE. One town (iam) + two scum (mirth/far) = retro is town
BF. One town (mirth) + two scum (iam/far) = retro is town
HOWEVER --> far is the one who pointed out that is was weird to have 3 of 5 people agree on a scum pair, so that bumps her to town IMHHHO. So that knocks out scenarioes BA, BE, and BF.
the options remaining:
BB. iam/retro are scum
BC. mirth/retro are scum
BD. mirth/iam are scum
I personally think the strongest chance is that retro is scum. currently, after that I would go iam then mirth.
unvote, vote: retro
That is only true if everyone is has said something was scum right now and 3 people can't be scum. The only person not making sense is Retro.sekinj wrote:dang it people. Mirth, you just were last on my scum list, which makes you the most town. I was mostly talking about vibes at that point. Now, I think I actually have something substantial. However, it is probably too late because the scum have way too much swaying power.
I see sek's comment where she voted retro as scum bussing. I'm not placing a vote till Retro says something. Despite what I have seen of Mirth I still don't trust placing a vote without a quick hammer.iamausername wrote:Just wanted to point out the order here, given farside's concern about the multitude of agreement on retro/sekinj as the scumpair.iamausername wrote:USERNAME'S SCUMTEAM PICKS:
1. Mirth/sekinj
2. retro/sekinj
That said, Mirth's response to my initial big post alleviated some of my concerns about her and bridged the gap between the two possible pairings in my mind, and it wasn't a very big gap to start with.
What retro has to say for himself when he returns may change things again, of course.
I can't answer this so why ask it? I have an answer but you think I am going to say what it is?sekinj wrote:@far: What are you expecting Retro to say? I don't want you to post the answer in thread, but just consider it...
See I could see a mirth/ you combo or retro/ you combo. Since retro is a newbie I can see well I don't want to say what I will be looking for. The point is seeing what retro says may make things more perspective as far as who is your scum partner. Whether Mirth or Retro. I could vote for you and then see what Mirth does, but I have seen scum hammer themselves to stop conversation and I for one don't want that to happen either.sekinj wrote:if you were goign to react the same way no matter what he said, then there is no point in twiddling our thumbs. I'm not trying to rush it, I just wanted you to be sure to consider what you were expecting from retro before he said anything.
Yours was not ignored, but really if you are doing equations look at what Iam just did.sekinj wrote:I just ignored it, exactly like mine was ignored.Mirth wrote:Because if Iam and I were scum together, we would have quick lynched Retro with your vote already. If you did not think we were out of the picture as a scum pair, why did you not object to my math before.
He included himself in the equation.Sek/Retro
Sek/Mirth
Sek/Iam
Sek/Farside
Retro/Mirth
Retro/Iam
Retro/Farside
Woke up to feed my son and couldn't go back to sleep. He is now awake and ready to play. He is given me that look now that says "come on already."Mirth wrote:Why are you up at 6 am on a Sunday exactly? Sunday is for sleeping. Sleeping is good.
On topic: Retro should be back tomorrow. I'm really interested in hearing his thoughts.
Sek: Farside is right. I know I mostly ignored your equation because they didn't take into consideration all possibilities (namely the ones with you) and were weighted with opinion not fact.
Odd yes, vote worthy? I say no and it is weak reasoning.so am I compltely out of my mind for seeing them answering each other questions as a little odd?
I notice scum have hard time finding scum signs then town people.Not really much to say today. hard to supply analysis and compresension in day one. but AZ comment about cop claim just seems way too messed up to ignore.
This just rubs me as a post to post. No explanination. Nothing really behind it.@Az: not good, man. bad mistake to make. You look very scummy now.
I felt when I question sek that he was giving more leeway to retro in this case.farside22 wrote:
Sorry I have a lot on my mind as of late.
@ sekinj: Why do you think Retro correction isn't scummy, but Azrael001 mistake is scummy?
because retro's mistake was obvious in his first post about it. He says, "same reason, wrong name beside it" which references back to his first random vote against me. So, he was obviously still random voting, however badly he mis-read the thread and however misguided his attempt to 'correct' a random vote, he was still random voting. He then unvoted 5 minutes later because has was done with random voting as he states in Post 36.
Az on the other hand, breaks into the middle of the serious discussion with what looks like an all out attack without anything to back it up. He leaves it that way for over 24 hours, and only then comes back and says he made a mistake.
these are drastically different. I'm not saying Az is scum (which is why I haven't voted him), but I am saying his mistake was much more scummy.
Really seems to push aside the retro case in loo of Az.except that I dont' want townie's lynched... true I don't know retro's alignment for sure, but his mistake does nto scream scum to me pure and simple.
@mirth and farside: why are you ignoring the Az thing? simply because he is not responding? this is not good playing on anyone's part. Retro and Az both made mistakes because of not reading properly, yet you guys are making retro look scummier because he is participating, where Az isn't looking as scummy simply because he is lurking.
I just don't feel there was enough reason for her vote or comments. It just feel flat.I can't see the mirth/strife connection. sure it could be distancing at first, but currently their vote is split. You'd think they'd come together at some point. and Strife alone doesn't look like scum to me.
I think az and retro are the most scummy. I will vote for retro, because I think ven if he is not scum he is a distraction at this point. too many newbie mistakes and bad plays, not enough good defenses.
Vote: retro
After rereading sek's post I say sek is just as guilty of this.@far re:Retro - His play is just bad. His posts do not include content.
Just kind bypasses Retro which in a lylo point in the game should not be done.I am still suspicious of retro, but I will admit that maybe his newbieness just annoys me. So i'm going to ignore him for now.
I will admit that most of these seems weak, but this is all I have for now.
iam - for agreeing with me about retro. feels like buddying. Last time this happened to me, the other guy was scum. Iam also did it to Strife when strife said I was the most town player, who we know was town. He is also coaching in his post 17, which seems scummy.
far - always plays very townie, this time I think it's fake.
mirth - seems to have good agression tactics, sometimes goes off half cocked.
I won't quote the last one, but that is the list of who is scum or town list where after everything is said she votes retro.I would gladly vote for retro... but my suspicion against iam is strengthed by this:
iamausername Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:09 am wrote:
Yeah, this is Lylo, so NOBODY VOTE.
iamausername Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:51 am wrote:
At this point, I can't see anything convincing me that these conclusions are incorrect, so I'm going to be bold and Vote: sekinj.
Yeah, I know we have to vote at some time today, but to scream at everyone not to vote, and then lay down a vote without dicussion is pretty scummy. He examined everyone thoroughly, but at this point he should have fos'd first, or just announced his intentions.
I never said I saw you as scum with sek. I said I could see a link between you and retro. Also I see a link with sek and retro. With that thought in mind Retro is still the main link.iamausername wrote:Hi, this is me not hammering retro, thus proving that I am not scum with sekinj.
I saw pairing between two people both linked to retro.Mirth wrote:Yup. So the odds now:
Sek/Retro
Sek/Farside
Retro/Iam
Retro/Mirth
Retro/Farside
Retro has a 4/5 chance of being scum
Sek and Farside have a 2/5 chance of being scum
Iam and Mirth have a 1/5 chance of being scum
I still think Farside's vote is a little odd however, even if Retro is almost certainly scum.
Retro, claim please.
FOS: Sek:sekinj wrote:@mirth: Are you kidding? Did you not see my massive post yesterday?
vote: Iam
Building a case against a claimed doc is rediculous unless you are claiming doc at this point. The game is open and does say doc or deputy (1) nurse or cop (1) , 2 scum (1 rb, 1 scum) and 3 townies.sekinj wrote:iamausername wrote:No thanks. I'm confirmed town since nobody has countered me, so why would I need to?sekinj wrote:@iam: although you have claimed doc, I'd still like you to address the points in my case.
this game is such a lost cause. I *really* feel like voting myself out, but I will let mirth do the honors.