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Or adds letters

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Yesterday you were telling me to scum hunt, now that i am you’re acting like it’s the worst thing i could be doing.

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In fact, i have no clue where you stand in regard to all 4 of us,

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Oh, i totally get it, and went through my phases of understanding it.

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Dkk got my friendly neighbor action and from there they’ve tried all they could to tie me to them.

I literally got a rick roll message from them yesterday.

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I know my place in this game.

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A50, you don’t think Not Mafia has any chance at being scum here?!?

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It’s either Not Mafia A50, Not Mafia VP, or Not Mafia DGB.

I don’t see why we wouldn’t fade Not Mafia today. He literally saved Dkk.

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You made a grave mistake forcing a 1v1 with me.

I checked FL last night as literally my check did not matter as Koba was going to do the kill regardless. I'm lowkey thinking they tracked me or something and freaked and forced themselves into a 1v1 with me

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According to Jackson. Not according to me, DGB.

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Not Mafia’s Night 4 on A50.

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DGB might have just slipped DGB/NM by not putting NM’s night 4, but i might be reaching.

Scum is confirmed to have a roleblocker.

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Odd night Friendly Neighbor
Detective
Role Watcher
Universal back up
7 VT

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multitasking Mailman
Maybe an Alien? (i don’t know if this would be full, i don’t think so.)
Goon probably.

Actually, power wise, I think I have to be town.

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Not Mafia’s Night 4 on A50.

I reformatted VP's list, I didn't add any Night 4.

Was N_M the only claimed action for N4?

Yeah.

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No one had any other role stuff to claim.

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I function as a weaker IC, which goes hand in hand with Role Watcher.

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Scum is confirmed to have a roleblocker.

Because your N3 action failed, correct?

Yes. This is obviously from my perspective that it’s confirmed.

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I guess it’s possible it’s A50-VP.

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I think they claimed Marky Mark was their target? Seems like they created a play to specifically take down Marky Mark. That actually might be evident of a Role Cop of sorts. Likely Not Mafia’s slot. Maybe scum have multiple Multitasking Roles.

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Mafia Multitasking JOAT actually would fit perfectly.

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Hmm. DGB is probably town because of that actually, and the fact DGB/FL are getting pushed.

Is it just VP/A50?

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I think they claimed Marky Mark was their target? Seems like they created a play to specifically take down Marky Mark. That actually might be evident of a Role Cop of sorts. Likely Not Mafia’s slot. Maybe scum have multiple Multitasking Roles.

You mean MM got a message from Koba?

Let me check, I have a vague recollection that MM claimed to not have received such a message.

I remember Marky Mark role getting outed Day 1 because of Kkoba, i think they said they were Simple.

Right after Infinity outed.

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@DGB - if you’re town, we just need to successfully town read 1 of them. I have no clue, lol

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Not Mafia seems townie every time they talk to me, but I always town read scum Not Mafia, and logic shows they are scum here.

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I didn’t mean like talk to me, as in they are saying stuff to me, i meant every time they talk, they come across as town to me.

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well i dont think the claim makes koba town. i do think the claim means we wait a day to see if we can confirm koba's claim. i also dont see why the role has to be a town role. so maybe it doesnt change anything and its still a good elim

i dont think that they're a simple town mailman though.

Why in the bloody hell would they publicize a result then? Wouldn't they just wait till night and then ice Mark?

Yeah,

so I didn't get a message last night

, but I'm a town PR. I don't think there's any point holding this back now as it's obvious that if I was VT I would have CCed koba.

Yeah, I think koba was trying to act like it was a guilty, but then backed off?

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They might have role copped him.

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VP and A50

Or VP and Not Mafia.

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I don’t see why we wouldn’t fade Not Mafia today. He literally saved Dkk.

Saved DkK from what? Can you quote?

Marky Mark had a weird guilty one Dkk, and Dkk fought back, then Not Mafia came in and claimed Doctor Voyeur, which felt like a counterclaim to Marky Mark, and ended up helping push Marky Mark over the edge to being faded.

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No. I think people didn’t understand why it would ever be a guilty, and then Kkoba backed away.

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i just don’t understand why Dkk would target DGB knowing that Marky Mark was targeting there with a role that he said could confirm people’s roles.

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What was the "weird guilty?"

He claimed he saw a Mailman target you. Then he added the Multitasking part in a separate post.

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I think it’s just VP and Not Mafia.

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VP is the one who’s been actively at my neck for a couple days now, and I think he’s been trying super hard to discredit me.

Dkk and Not Mafia helped convince me and Andres to push Marky Mark, so VP actively chose the other side.

@A50 - i don’t think them defending Marky Mark is townie at all, I think it’s TMI.

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That’s weird, though because Not Mafia would have had to be bussing a long time if that is true, which I can kinda see. They never really put VP in any danger.

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@DGB - if you’re town, we just need to successfully town read 1 of them. I have no clue, lol

This applies to everyone, why even bother saying this?

Because I’m talking to DGB there.

If I were talking to you, I’d have said the same thing to you.

I’m trying to find other townies moreso than scum right now because it achieves the same outcome.

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I town read him when he replaced in, and so far my gut hasn’t been wrong on that, but he started posting stuff, I think...Day 2? That i started to feel uneasy about them.

Then they disappeared for days, which I don’t know if ScumA50 does that. I was half hoping they’d come in and immediately see that I’m town since they’ve known me for a while, and that would be that, but that didn’t happen

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I kinda think VP is always scum here.

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And then 1 of you is scum with them, but i don’t know which one of you.

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VP-DGB.

Does this make sense? Probably what I’m looking at next.

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Not Mafia, I really don’t want to lose to scum you again

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Fade VP today, I am going to target 1 of the remaining 3 of you tonight.

This game is going to end in a 50-50 with me deciding, and while that’s gonna be more stressful than this day phase, I think I’m okay with it. I have a good track record in 3p lylo.

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@Not Mafia - should we target the same person, or separate? You can make sure certain people stay alive, and if you’re scum, we lock you in somewhere. What are your thoughts on that?

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Fade VP today, I am going to target 1 of the remaining 3 of you tonight.

This game is going to end in a 50-50 with me deciding, and while that’s gonna be more stressful than this day phase, I think I’m okay with it. I have a good track record in 3p lylo.

This is me in the hopeful situation of my Friendly Neighbor going through.

Elsewise, it’s just a free for all tomorrow, but with less people.

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I’ll be back later.

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Hmm.

What’re you thinking, who’s scum?

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I definitely see it, her and Kkoba ties me up really nicely towards them if that’s the case. I’ll be back in like an hour and a half.

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I wanna talk to VP again before anything is decided.

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FL, why were you so certain you were not roleblocked N3?

Confbias, i explained on the day. I go into fight or flight mode when I think I’m being setup.

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In the game the above post is quoted from (VP and A50 were both in that game too and can attest to this) I called a scum fake claim because the player was obvscum, everyone went on about how it didn't make sense for scum to fakeclaim that role and my post above was ridiculous. Guess what? The player was scum, logic is overrated, it's a social game.

I was not in this game.

FL getting frantic about me is weird.

A50, you're the person I guess I most confidently town read here. Can I get your thoughts on what FL is saying here? I know I'm not scum, so I obviously find it scummy to say I'm always scum here. But maybe I'm just being reactionary

I’m not getting frantic at all, I’ve clearly been looking at every single slot. You were away, and I had been talking to the other 3 in a way that felt townie. I was already aware 1 scum at least was there.

I specifically stated I wanted to talk to you, so i could get how it felt interacting 1 on 1, and it seems like every time i disappear, someone comes in and tries to discredit me and set up a push.

Scum are actively trying to make a gamestate where i am scummy because of my ability to obv town and genuinely game solve.

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If A50 was my partner, we would have interacted far more than we did this game.

That is my forever fake mason claim buddy. Usually my tell on him is he doesn’t interact with me, but he came into this game on replacement interacting with me, but then he disappeared, so it felt off.

He always tries to hide out from my radar when he is scum, though, so i can definitely see A50 scum here, especially because he’s pushing the DGB/FL angle that was going to hand scum the victory.

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Plus if they had a RB, why wouldn't they RB Jackson last night and kill FN?

Why would they ever kill me?

You keep acting like I should have been killed, but I’m the scummiest looking player in this game right now. I am never a kill here.

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Roleblock is likely limited to like 2-shot or Nonconsecutive for balance

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Objectively, FL looks pretty bad.

He was very sketchy about the Friendly Neighbor claim. Eventually it became odd day but had not started that way (going by memory here).

As a result, he is only "confirmed" to the dead scum. DkKoba was scum read by a plethora of players from day 1 - so not an optimal choice of target by FLtown.

For N3, FL claims a roleblock. Small point but no one has been roleblocked other than him (i hope i remember correctly).

N5 he can say he confirmed himself to whoever will turn up dead, or his scumpal.

Tell me about it.

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Like, i get it, but 2 of you are scum, and 2 of you are getting played by scum. I’m effectively framed well. Dkk Rick rolled me they knew they had me. I knew they had me, but please please please give it the chance to at least let me try to get my FN out. We have a legitimate chance. I highly doubt scum have access to a roleblocked on night 5, unless they’re also odd night, but that’s just kind of weird.


Like I said Multitasking JOAT makes the most sense.

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Like, I’m very self orientated right now, i get it, but i feel I’ve been extremely clear on all my reads this entire game, I’ve been active, I’ve been answering any thoughts or questions, I’ve reconsidered my reads, now understand why I need to make sure that I focus on myself here.

If I am faded, town will lose.

I know how it looks.

But whichever town of you is out there, please do not fade me. I have multiple games on record, I think even two this year, where I was town, and I was the game losing misfade in 5p elo.

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Zoeys extraordinary playlist was a game it happened in this year

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Okay, look, I have reasons to believe every single one of you guys could be town.

VP - I’ve felt this way all game, I felt like there was a chance you could be scum pocketing me, and we were on the same side a bunch of times this game.

Not Mafia - I’m tone reading you hard as town, but i always do that when you are scum. I’ve been actively speaking out for a while now, not even just this game, that you are not unreadable, and I feel like I’ve shown you that I actively try to read you based on what you do.

A50 - he doesn’t interact with me when he’s scum, or if he does, it comes off super fake, like he’s weary of me. I caught him hard once when I was trolling all game, then stopped trolling and solved Day 4, but I have also caught him out multiple times immediately after him replacing in, even on Day 1. I’m usually solid at being comfortable town reading A50. I was earlier in the game, before he disappeared.

DGB - i scum read you all game. We keep getting pushed as the scum team, so that makes me go 50/50 with your slot because I do think scum were tying me to you and Kkoba, regardless if it’s you that is doing it. You don’t seem to be taking much direct action, which i think scum is taking action. You stated you town read me, though, and I’m 50/50 with what I think about it.


2 of these reasons aren’t real, and that’s what I’m working with right now.

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N_Mscum could have roleblocked FLtown then confirmed that JV failed to receive the message but that seems like a high risk, low pay off, galaxy brain move.

I don’t necessarily think it would have been planned to work that way. If scum roleblocked me, and he claimed voyeur, it actually helps make his claim more believable and he already would know my action was blocked so coming into thread seeing the fight.

Not saying that’s what happened, it’s just what happened if they are scum.

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FL your reasons for townreading A50 may be convincing to you, but they are not to me.

That’s fair. I am aware, and it’s a read I haven’t pushed for days. His lurking out changed it for me, but it’s still the fact that I trust my gut, if that makes sense. I’m not really trying to convince you guys with those reasons, I’m more just trying to explain where I’m coming from. It’s honestly not enough for me to say A50 isn’t scum anymore, because I think my reasons for town reading everyone are solid reasons to town read them, that just means 2 players did well.

I think it’s VP because I think he’s a strong enough player to have orchestrated this. That’s essentially why I think I’m leaning you, VP.

I don’t see any of the others as that type to be able to gambit like that. A50 might do a solo gambit, but he was mia.

Not Mafia is good scum, but I don’t think he would communicate with his team that much.

Unless Dkk just was doing the most as scum, which I guess was possible.

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FL, I truly do want to figure out if you're town here. You see what I'm saying about how weird it is you're saying all the claimed PRs are town though, right?

For what it’s worth, normals I mod generally used to have like 6 town PR’s, not like OP roles, but you shouldn’t know scum’s last PR’s so certainly, so I don’t understand how you could think 1 town PR difference changes things?

Scum have another PR, I think it’s possible there’s a world where Not Mafia is town.

I came in earlier this day phase specifically stating that I thought Not Mafia was always scum here, which directly means I came in thinking the exact opposite of what you just accused me of.

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Not Mafia and A50 team?

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You know what, both times I lost to Not Mafia, it was because I town read him and defended him.he could have been playing this entire game around that knowledge.

I don’t know him as a person, just a player.

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Hey, VP, if you vote Not Mafia, you can hammer check DGB and I here.

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He would have voted Not Mafia as well. We all know he town read me so hard

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Don’t hammer test, Bp, don’t

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I panicked when I saw A50, then remembered it was all a big joke to begin with.

I planned this part too. And the last part.

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I saw me hit Bp instead of vp as well, and still clicked send.

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Wait....

DGB/A50....?

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The DGB/DKK connection that wins by tying me to them, check

Benefits from A50 bussing DGB here to successfully take me down Day 6, check

Doesn’t kill me in any scenario beyond fear for A50.

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The fact that it seems to be a harder time for some of us than others makes me think it could be Not Mafia-A50

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Jackson, Taylor, DGB probably have scum, maybe multiple in them. I don't really think DGB/Taylor are partners.

Jackson, Taylor, Not Mafia could be the team.

I low-key TR FL now (and for a weird reason I assure you).

Scum!FL knows what he's doing and his thoughts are traditionally well-organized. He may try to produce as much noise as possible to confuse everyone, but he does say "Jackson, Taylor, Not Mafia could be the team" while his vote is on DGB!!!

Good observation.

Could be TMI

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Yeah, i told you I town read him early in the game.

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Like the tell when scum is telling the truth about why they town read someone, but they only know it because they are scum and know that player is town

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He might only have been able to read me like that if he was scum, and made a good post because he saw exactly what was happening because he didn’t have to wonder if i was town or not, that’s why it can sound really good.

However A50 can read me, and he has caught me out as scum too, he made the push that caught me in Team Mafia. I slipped, but I would have talked myself through it if A50 didn’t push me like he did there.

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At this point, don’t not fade me for the chance, I guess.

You gotta just read me as town.

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PR’s don’t matter here, with 2 unflipped scum, there is a chance both slots are town if scum have a strong role, which would make sense. Usually i go 1 strong role, 1 weak role, 1 goon, mail man is the weak role, they have the strong role and the goon, even if Not Mafia is scum. The power of that last PR would differentiate the amount of PR’s, though, but it’s probably Not Mafia if they are scum that is the PR.

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Yeah, I’ve been down that rabbit hole, VP. I don’t know where i am on it anymore, and am kind of just enjoying the slide now

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I’ll do some VCA with my name green so you can see that image of it too.

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Eh tonight

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I don’t think VP looks good from the Marky Mark wagon, but I think that’s difference of opinion on what I think scum would do.

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I think Not Mafia-A50. The Taylor wagon can make sense if only 1 scum, and if VP is town, then that works.

I don’t know if DGB is able to fake VCA as scum. I don’t personally think she said much there, so VP acting like it was super strong is a little suspicious, but there was some townie stuff there, but it’s easy to hide behind VCA when you make yourself green.

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Alternatively, I guess VP could be trying a pocket on DGB.

I think I want Not Mafia today. I’d rather lose to any of you guys than Not Mafia again.

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Alternatively, I guess VP could be trying a pocket on DGB.

I think I want Not Mafia today. I’d rather lose to any of you guys than Not Mafia again.

Specifically because I town read and defended Not Mafia, and that’s what happened both times he was scum and beat me, not just because it’s Not Mafia.

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Not Mafia claiming right during the Dkk-Marky mark face off, unproven role claim (like mine, but i know my role, so you can use this point against me, that’s fine)

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Flavor Leaf: 3 (Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324, VP Baltar) How come this wagon is too small, but the Gamma Emerald one with 3 isn’t when it’s implying I could be scum on that wagon.

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Flavor Leaf: 3 (Infinity 324, VP Baltar, DrippingGoofball)

This one as well.

You are actively protecting VP and yourself on this one, actually.

This wagon has 2 unflipped players.

One of you are scum confirmed.

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Marky Mark: 5 (ELIMINATED) (Andresvmb, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, DkKoba, DrippingGoofball)
DkKoba: 3 (JacksonVirgo, Marky Mark, VP Baltar)
Not Voting: 1 (Almost50)

VP does not look good here. He’s splitting the difference. Had he needed to change votes, he could have.

You are actively protecting VPB and Yourself with these VCA.

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I retract my Not Mafia will to fade.

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@VPB - town you should definitely be seeing exactly why I am town here.

Hell, A50, you should be seeing my townie mindset here as well.

You all are scummy now to me.

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geraintm: 7 (ELIMINATED)
(Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball, VP Baltar, Infinity 324, Tayl0r Swift, Almost50, Marky Mark)

DGB pushed this as “expecting mucho scum in VPB and A50.

This was the wagon that she pushed through.

Gera was the counter wagon to Dkkoba.

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And Infinity

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Zero scum flipped on that Gera wagon, and there’s 3 unflipped slot.

VPB didn’t even read the VCA by DGB, he just tried to compliment and get town cred maybe.

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DGB is town I think for sure. Wagon analysis is genuine.

Who do you want to yeet today DGB?

I am still undecided.

Looking at the scumputer (though its worth has its limits) though... from your perspective, FL should look pretty scummy. Everyone flipped on a lot of major wagons, except the two of you. If you're town you have reasons to think FL is scum; similarly FL can look at the same pattern and find you scummy, if he's town.

Actually, this is more of a reason why we should town read each other. We haven’t been the ones pushing through fades, we’ve been here reacting to the pushes and trying to figure out the right one.

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DGB is scum. Scum tried to tie me together with Dkk and DGB.

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Dkk targeted DGB to specifically be seen by Marky Mark probably to make it seem like they aren’t partners.

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You’re also pushing VCA when one of the remaining slots is Not Mafia, who didn’t do much like all game, and A50, who was away for days.

VP and I show up scummier on the wagons because we were around to join the wagons when they were active and happening.

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I don’t think VP looks good from the Marky Mark wagon, but I think that’s difference of opinion on what I think scum would do.

What makes that wagon hard to analyze is that a lot happened after Marky Mark was believed to be yeeted - but wasn't yet.

Scum was probably aware that he wasn’t though?

That’s like a solid thing to play on as scum, even newer scum would be able to do that.

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Well, I’m not scum, and it looks like you’re actively trying to pit VP and I together because there was a lot in those VC’s you didn’t seem to want to mention. You pushed the Gera wagon.

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I was the one who tried to get Dkkoba flash wagoned that same day while I was pushing you as well, and you hard pushed Gera.

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DGB is scum. Scum tried to tie me together with Dkk and DGB.

You tied yourself to DkKoba when you claimed to have targeted DkKoba with the Friendly Neighbor message.

But in your opinion, who is the scum who tied to tie you together with DkKoba?

I don't understand how I am tied to you at all.

I gave them the opening, sure, but i didn’t tie myself to them. I just threw them the rope.

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DGB is scum. Scum tried to tie me together with Dkk and DGB.

You tied yourself to DkKoba when you claimed to have targeted DkKoba with the Friendly Neighbor message.

But in your opinion, who is the scum who tied to tie you together with DkKoba?

I don't understand how I am tied to you at all.

You are tied to me because of the way it was getting pushed as DKK/DGB/FL scum team.

If you can’t see that yet, then you aren’t gonna see it.

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I don’t think VP looks good from the Marky Mark wagon, but I think that’s difference of opinion on what I think scum would do.

What makes that wagon hard to analyze is that a lot happened after Marky Mark was believed to be yeeted - but wasn't yet.

Scum was probably aware that he wasn’t though?

That’s like a solid thing to play on as scum, even newer scum would be able to do that.

I sure didn't realize, I though I was voting MM when I wasn't.

Why would scum be aware more than the townies who weren't?

Scum are always more aware than townies.

This is like a basic fact.

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I was unaware, wanna know why. Because I’m town.

When I’m scum I know literally every single thing that’s happened in a game.

I am consistent when I am scum, as A50 meta confirmed me.

I have not been any of that this game.

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Not Mafia claiming right during the Dkk-Marky mark face off, unproven role claim (like mine, but i know my role, so you can use this point against me, that’s fine)

What is the significance of that claim timing? I don't recall the events immediately surrounding it.

Marky Mark claimed guilty
Dkk counter pushed
Not Mafia claimed a counter claim role
Faded Marky Mark

If you are scum, you are purposefully playing obtuse right now, and it’s really annoying.

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Well, I’m not scum, and it looks like you’re actively trying to pit VP and I together because there was a lot in those VC’s you didn’t seem to want to mention. You pushed the Gera wagon.

Yes, and I was majorly convinced that DkKoba was town, that is not in my favor.

If you are town, that’s how you got tied to Dkk, theympocketed you.

I don’t understand why you aren’t seeing these things. It’s like basic mafia stuff

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Small wagons are not unusable, i don’t know why you were pushing like they were. I use spread out vc in my VCA all the time.

I used VCA to catch out A50 in that game I said i trolled all game and came in with a solve.

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I actually believe you are the scummiest VCA wise.

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This entire day is just circular WIFOM

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I’m just trying to get 1 town read at this point.

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Anytime someone makes a push or does something like DGB’s VCA, i feel like they’re scum pushing for the victory.

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A50 pushing DGB and myself is pretty scummy.

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Small wagons are not unusable, i don’t know why you were pushing like they were. I use spread out vc in my VCA all the time.

I used VCA to catch out A50 in that game I said i trolled all game and came in with a solve.

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the wagons are small, the vote counts are important. They're too close to being vanity wagons. I only look if the gamestate is within elimination distance, though it is a subjective measure.

3 votes is plenty readable. People play in threes.

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DGB-A50
VP-Not Mafia
A50-Not Mafia
DGB-Not Mafia
VP-DGB

I don’t think i think it’s VP-A50 here, gambit stuff wouldn’t have worked unless VP masterminded.

I don’t know if i think it’s scummy or townie that A50 was away for multiple day phases. The days were fast, but a lot happened, and that means it had to have happened within the scum that were around, and I don’t know if that’s what happened. I think all scum were around.

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Anytime someone makes a push or does something like DGB’s VCA, i feel like they’re scum pushing for the victory.

The same is true about you right now, you are making a big push to be seen as town, and in the last page starting to find players scummy.

But then it is end game after all, we want to make our team mates proud. The decisions are more important, and we have more information to work with.

It's a stretch to see that as AI.

You could say that N_M is scum hoping we'll forget about him and he's refreshing every 30s in case he can hammer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, but I town cased you guys too. I’m clearly scum hunting and town hunting.

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Then it’s just A50-Not Mafia and the 3 of us are talking in circles. Neither of them are going in circles like we are.

[Flavor Leaf]

The biggest prob with VCA in this game is the inconsistent VCs. Lots happened between each VC.

The reason I like DGB here is she is being open in her analysis. It's about intentions.

At best I give it 10% of the weight of any decision I might make.

Damn, i think i changed my mind on you completely now that you said 10.

I’d have given you 35.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Not Mafia

If you two are scum, you win.

[Flavor Leaf]

Post. Hurry

[Flavor Leaf]

literally post anything right now, it can be a period.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Not Mafia

Damn it, VP.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now you post.

I was sitting there spamming preview on my computer while messaging on my iPad.

[Flavor Leaf]

For what it’s worth, i don’t think you two are scum together, but i don’t think you would have been able to get a hammer there even if you were.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Not Mafia

Do you have an actual rationale for this? Or was it only brinksmanship?

I was sitting her spamming the unvote preview.

I was seeing if you guys would try to hammer.

[Flavor Leaf]

So ok, leave the vote FL. Seems like it has to be NM or FL today.

I do not like this, lol.

Like i don’t believe it’s VP-A50, which is the only other scum team who could wuickhammer Not Mafia, but oh my gosh, this post sucks.

(Not ona player level, but on a I have to read you level)

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t even feel like you guys wanna solve. It kinda feels like you’re just waiting.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t even feel like you guys wanna solve. It kinda feels like you’re just waiting.

Not solving?

I just went through Koba's iso!!!

ok so I gave up halfway through but still

For all I know you had those posts lined up for you by Dkk.

But yeah, you’re kinda doing some solving. I realized it after I said it, but VP is just waiting around. But that might be playstyle. He’s passively standing back and commenting here and there.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that I keep getting town vibes when all 3 of us are posting, means scumNM and A50 are waiting for us to turn on each other, but this happened in my last game, where scum expected Cabd and I to tunnel each other and destroy town, but we just ended up town reading each other.

[Flavor Leaf]

While yelling at each other.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Not Mafia

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Not Mafia

[Flavor Leaf]

YOU GUYS KEEP DISAPPEARING WHEN I TRY TO BAIT YOU TO HAMMER LOLOLOLOLOLOL IM GONNA CRY

[Flavor Leaf]

I sat there for 3 straight minutes spam clicking preview, then it did a reload failed thing on me, and i panicked so hard

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, you’re town DGB.

Who’s the other?

[Flavor Leaf]

VP.

DGB-VP are town.

The scum are NM and A50.

This game is solved.

[Flavor Leaf]

The only leaf that brings the beef.

Can’t handle the spice, don’t ask for the flavor

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, Not Mafia is the PR if scum.

I actually think A50 might have spewed it when he was casing us. He kept pushing like I was probably the goon, and DGB was the PR, so i feel he’s TMIing that scum have a PR, which I already believed, and that Not Mafia is the PR.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think it matters which of them is faded, tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, it is very possible there are three town here sniping.

That’s what I’m saying. It legit keeps being us 3, then eventually one of them interject, but the 3 of us consistently come together, and hash things out, and look at the possibilities.

Not Mafia hasn’t done this.

A50 is pushing DGB/FL solely.

I think this game is just solved.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like yes, Not Mafia never does, but it’s the fact that the 3 of us specifically are.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unless you think both DGB and myself are coming together to dupe you, just see that I am town.

DGB is trying to solve too, I think she is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia is never night killed here. A no kill happens before he is night killed.

[Flavor Leaf]

A50 is a better dueler

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia targeting A50 opens up his “availability” to target any of us tonight, which allows him to do a No Kill and fake a clear.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s if we go A50 today, that is something to be aware of.

Read off play, not by claims from here on.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m feeling comfortable that i solved.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is the big problem with FL and DGB. They are both good players and yet had a series of bungles throughout the game that I have to believe for them to be town. My heart wants to believe them I think, but A50 makes good points about DGB that makes me feel like I'm just being soft.

NM has been scummy toward me, but I fully admit my own confirmation bias in that situation.

A50 - so your premise is that DGB is probably the common denominator here and we will figure out the other scum tomorrow?

I don’t have bungles as scum.

I have bungles as town.

Almost50 saw me play as SK when he modded Overkill 2. It was a 23 or 26 i forget how many players, multiball, kill heavy game, and I got to being the last player standing because of how damn consistent I was.

I am too consistent as scum, that is a weakness of mine.

I am all over the fucking place as town, everyone’s favorite village idiot, except I’m insane and can solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck it.

Not Mafia doctors VP tonight. I target there tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

There being VP.

[Flavor Leaf]

I expect to have to 1v1 Not Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think we just lose if DGB is faded, though. A50 is clearly scum for me now, which means it’s A50 and Not Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

@DGB - If you are town, you should be seeing the only possibly way I can be scum in this gamestate is with you.

Look at how every other slot is reacting to me.

I guess I could be scum with VP as well, but we’d have had to have some fire scum theatre for that.

[Flavor Leaf]

This situation really sucks if DGB is actually scum. I die like 100% of the time tomorrow, and I just have to hope scum’s Roleblocker is no longer.

A50 pushing DGB likely means they do have access to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

It was implied Dkk targeted Marky Mark. They might have even said it.

I’ve definitely brought this up already this day phase

[Flavor Leaf]

Let me try to use my shot on you tonight, VP.

I’m town reading you here, I have essentially town read you all game, A50 push essentially locks it in for me that you are town.

I’m not against the idea of DGB/A50, and A50 pushing for distancing reasons, and they’re waiting for someone to lolvote me, or it’s just Not Mafia and A50.

I don’t see us being able to fade A50 based on needing one of DGB or Not Mafia.

There’s also the roleblock/No Kill scenario tomorrow, which is probably the best option for any of you guys who would be scum.

I think DGB is a Goon in that scenario

I think A50 PR.

But if it’s A50/Not Mafia, I think Not Mafia PR, A50 goon.

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL - it can't be NM & DGB why?

It probably can be, I’m just tunneled onto A50 in this moment in time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would it be N_M? He is as opaque as usual.

That’s a personality thing, doesn’t me he is town.

The claim timing. Role Watcher/Voyeur being counter claims due to similarity.

Role Watcher, Voyeur, and Detective are all investigative roles with a Universal Backup and a Friendly Neighbor?

It’s not the amount of PR’s that are worrying me, that is fine, it’s the 3 investigatives, and the UB, which effectively makes 4 Investigatives. If I had died first, Jackson would have gotten my ability, and that’s kinda cool.

I think Not Mafia is outed by flipped roles.

[Flavor Leaf]

So it’s DGB and Not Mafia. :/

And I’m gonna be left with A50 and Not Mafia tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, what if the balance for the town power is scum having a number of investigatives too? Infinity and Mark were the crosshairs immediately at the start of D2. It's just too targeted to be a random occurrence.

Voyeur seems specifically like to catch out Role Watcher, and learn what roles are on the town side.

I don’t think Not Mafia made that claim up. Maybe the doctor part of it.

[Flavor Leaf]

He’s probably a Multitasking Roleblocker Voyeur

[Flavor Leaf]

And the Role Watcher was the most dangerous role to that. They sacrificed Dkk to get rid of it.

I can see Dkk as the type of player to wanna be killed for the greater good, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m ordered most useful to least

Role Watcher
Voyeur
Detective

I’m order from most useful for town to have

Detective
Role Watcher
Voyeur

[Flavor Leaf]

In*

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like to point out what again is happening with the 3 of us.

It’s just Not Mafia and A50.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia dies, I 50/50 Friendly Neighbor between the 2 of you, and maybe finally draw a night kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

We’ve worked this, and every time I come back to this same solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can just look at my messages to see the entire song lyrics.

[Flavor Leaf]

See, I’m torn.

I want A50 first, but Not Mafia probably is the PR that’s gonna make the game harder.

[Flavor Leaf]

but like, it doesn’t actually matter if we can trust the 3 of us are town

[Flavor Leaf]

See, I’m torn.

I want A50 first, but Not Mafia probably is the PR that’s gonna make the game harder.

Why A50 first?

I just think scumA50 has a better chance at 1v1ing me with words.

Not Mafia is the PR, though, they will likely make my friendly neighbor not go through, so that’s annoying to deal with too, so yeah. I think they both are scum, anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m gonna make a bold move.

VOTE: Not Mafia

DGB, you scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

A50 gonna actively lurk out now to not let this be a hammer clear on DGB/A50.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Not Mafia

Every time i try to hammer check when people are around, people disappear.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, that's a really good point, I just don't know exactly where scum Not Mafia's abilities are. I have lost to scumNot Mafia twice, so I'm afraid to give him a pass for simply underestimating him.

I am town, Not Mafia.

Who is scum for you if you straight up knew I was town?

[Flavor Leaf]

the fact that it's such a good point, shows exactly why you can't underestimate Not Mafia, even if town Not Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

it also has some town synergy with Marky Mark but it definitely feels like a bit of mod wifom/trolling bu having both in the set-up.

this is the line here that makes me think he is scum playing off the fact he gets underestimated.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can you direct me to these games please? Your paranoia doesn't seem correctly placed, if you were saying "NM has won against me before as scum by hiding behind his meta", I'd easily believe it, this evil genius line, I'm not as ready to believe. There is the odd scum game where I've made a couple of galaxy brain plays but I don't recall you being in them

they're from a while ago.

I know one was in a Newbie game.

One was a Normal, I believe? I don't have time to look for it right now, that's some computer time. I personally don't wanna look for it, and we don't have to use that as a reason, but like you have beaten me as scum specifically after I defended you.

[Flavor Leaf]

it also has some town synergy with Marky Mark but it definitely feels like a bit of mod wifom/trolling bu having both in the set-up.

this is the line here that makes me think he is scum playing off the fact he gets underestimated.

What is it about that line that makes you think that?

It feels like you're trying to find that in to cover your tracks.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think if A50/VP were the scum team, they'd have just voted me.

I think it's Not Mafia/A50 still.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia/A50 makes sense for scum to go after DGB specifically first because it makes me look scummy no matter what.

A50 knows I'm not an easy misfade. Him pushing DGB and calling me the partner specifically discredits me.

I also think A50 isn't worried at all about getting faded because Not Mafia, as A50 states, is "the PR scum were planning to win the game on" role, which allows Not Mafia to come into the game tomorrow if A50 is faded, and take me out.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah.

VOTE: Not Mafia

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Not Mafia, and my Friendly Neighbor will be able to go off if I don't target the Night Kill.

This also gives the chance I get killed tonight, which is relieving.

I town read DGB.

I don't think the team is VP/A50, as I stated.

[Flavor Leaf]

There is the odd scum game where I've made a couple of galaxy brain plays but I don't recall you being in them

@DGB - see, he knows he's capable of it. Don't underestimate him because of his act.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Not Mafia - if you aren't scum, then VP is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

DGB disappears every time I vote Not Mafia, and it makes me so nervous.

[Flavor Leaf]

I see this. I just don't know if that makes you town.

The difference from that game you linked, I don't believe you planned to die Day 1 there, and I was defending you Day 1 here, so I dont see why you would ever purposefully go down,

[Flavor Leaf]

who's scum then if you are town?

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Not Mafia

[Flavor Leaf]

gah, you guys were busy while I was working.

FL, you feeling sure about NM? I'm maybe willing to give this a shot.

My gut is saying DGB, but you're the most logical partner for her and I'm not certain at all you're scum here.

I have no idea. Yes. I keep coming back to NM and A50, so I think I'm willing to give it a shot.

DGB/Not Mafia could be the team still if I'm wrong on A50.

A50 legit just could be town giving me a chance because my role, I guess.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Not Mafia

so not sure then

i was just spam unvote previewing, saw you post, and sent it.

I hate that DGB disappears everytime it happens, but I can't like schedule it, ya know

[Flavor Leaf]

but NM could also totally be scum with DGB. I don't get why it HAS to be NM & A50 necessarily.

I'm just wifoming myself into every possible combination here.

gah, you guys were busy while I was working.

FL, you feeling sure about NM? I'm maybe willing to give this a shot.

My gut is saying DGB, but you're the most logical partner for her and I'm not certain at all you're scum here.

I have no idea. Yes. I keep coming back to NM and A50, so I think I'm willing to give it a shot.

DGB/Not Mafia could be the team still if I'm wrong on A50.

A50 legit just could be town giving me a chance because my role, I guess.

Nice, mind meld. Yeah, let's kill Not Mafia then.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not Mafia coming in now to defend himself makes sense as scum last ditch effort.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm gonna do it. Full sending.

VOTE: Not Mafia

if it's VP/DGB, good game.

[Flavor Leaf]

if I'm a scumteam and we're doing a 2000IQ gambit, you don't send me to endgame

I don't think you had a choice.

And scum don't have daytalk, right? Planning does get harder because of that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I came into this day thinking it was Not Mafia/VP. What a ride

[Flavor Leaf]

This definitely feels like Flavour Leaf fishing for a vote so DGB can hammer, I can see FL posting in the scum PT every 5 seconds asking if she's ready to hammer if VP votes me

if I'm a scumteam and we're doing a 2000IQ gambit, you don't send me to endgame

I don't think you had a choice.

And scum don't have daytalk, right? Planning does get harder because of that.

No idea mate

I'm saying the scum don't have daytalk question in a way where I'm bringing up the fact that it's been confirmed by the ruleset and in game multiple times.


This feels like an attempt to try to make a tell like you were acting like you didn't know scum didn't have daytalk.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd forgotten you were boonskiies until I saw your sig just now, our history goes back a lot longer than I thought, makes your paranoia of me make more sense as town

yeah, there's been a lot. If you played Town of Salem ever, I definitely played for a couple days, and went against someone named Not Mafia even that played like you, so I was like...is this...Not Mafia?

I came into this day thinking it was Not Mafia/VP. What a ride

You've changed your mind about 27892538914727959023478395234985 times and named every possible team multiple times

That's why you should know I'm town by now who's gone back and forth on every single combination.

This is what I see in both DGB an VPB, and why I think they are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

f it's VP/DGB, good game.

we could have hammered last night if that were the case.

This is the only possible combination that's been ruled out as plausible.

I don't necessarily agree with this because I think you could have easily posted and not been able to get the votes up, which I mentioned yesterday, but nonetheless, I do think you 2 are town based on we are the ones who kept going back and forth on reads.