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[Battle Mage]

yeah i support massclaim

Bet you do.

I sure do.

[Battle Mage]

If I were gambited, I’d be conf town by now and y’all would be questioning it, but still likely not do much about it until a few days.

You’re not involved in the gambit

I'm not either. No big plans. So if you see a gambit from me, you can ruin it.

Okay then
Scum SB visits Titus to give her fruit to either legitimize SB or Titus or both
Titus’s reaction expecting two kills instead of one means SK and scum probably have a doc to prevent SK or vig kill
Titus doesn’t want SB or BM elimmed but wants to look weak and hopeless and no one listens to me and coast to end game.

Titus has been trying to hint doc/rb for a while

dude, if you're going to basically drop loaves that you and Titus are both PRs, are we losing anything by pinning everyone down to a claim?

[Battle Mage]

BM, usually you’ve been obv town for me, and here you’re neutral town at best.

I’m noting this for post game if you end up being scum.

that's fine. i'm town again ftr.

[Battle Mage]

If I were gambited, I’d be conf town by now and y’all would be questioning it, but still likely not do much about it until a few days.

You’re not involved in the gambit

I'm not either. No big plans. So if you see a gambit from me, you can ruin it.

Okay then
Scum SB visits Titus to give her fruit to either legitimize SB or Titus or both
Titus’s reaction expecting two kills instead of one means SK and scum probably have a doc to prevent SK or vig kill
Titus doesn’t want SB or BM elimmed but wants to look weak and hopeless and no one listens to me and coast to end game.

Titus has been trying to hint doc/rb for a while

dude, if you're going to basically drop loaves that you and Titus are both PRs, are we losing anything by pinning everyone down to a claim?

Titus already outed I am a PR anyway. The risk was null. Much more important we elim SB and probably BM. I die 1-2 scum gone #worth

why did you let Titus out you as a PR? I don't get it man.

[Battle Mage]

it wouldnt shock me if Math was just scum, but no need to resolve today. this just feels so similar to his approach in the large theme where he was scum.

good to get superbowl's take on that.

[Battle Mage]

I had a feeling that there might have been a Scum Mason Claim gambit going on with NPOM, Johnny, or Math.

Math might have confirmed it.

You said you are bold, correct?

So pushing Titus for pulling a gambit to tie her and Superbowl together and going for a Mason claim setup gambit is the type of thing you might do as scum, right?

And no. Fake claiming masons would not be something done in this scenario, I have done wild claims but they’ve been to the wire and are sold and you want them. I am a good scum and generally never have to fake claim if scum. If I do I did something wrong.

In this case you’ll notice post one of mine >> mason hint

i've only played with you once as scum, and you did fakeclaim prematurely there.

[Battle Mage]

tbh Math it's probably for the best if you do get elimmed at night if you're just gonna tunnel me cause you're jealous of my sweet hood

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Superbowl9

Thumbs up.

And do it. I dare you.

I die or my partner dies. Me or partner becomes conf town

if you die tonight, i dont think your claim achieves anything really.

[Battle Mage]

Math just TMI’d the fruit vendor was town.

erm, isnt that superbowl? so i thought his point was superbowl wasnt town?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Mathblade

yeah fk it, i'm down VOTE: mathblade

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Superbowl9

Thumbs up.

And do it. I dare you.

I die or my partner dies. Me or partner becomes conf town

if you die tonight, i dont think your claim achieves anything really.

It does.

It confirms my partner who I have crumbed.

heh...i got it.

your crumbing is...eh

[Battle Mage]

i dont really see why you bother claiming PR and saying "I crumbed my partner in a really obv way". like, you may as well just claim them at that point but w/e!

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Superbowl9

Thumbs up.

And do it. I dare you.

I die or my partner dies. Me or partner becomes conf town

if you die tonight, i dont think your claim achieves anything really.

It does.

It confirms my partner who I have crumbed.

heh...i got it.

your crumbing is...eh

Then why are you voting me and not SB?

you crumbing a partner doesnt mean you claim is necessarily true. i'll reflect on it.

[Battle Mage]

UNVOTE:

yeah ok fuck it, i buy the mason claim.

[Battle Mage]

It’s mod-confirmed that town has RB and neighborizer. Given that town has masons, that leaves scum with ??? to balance it out? What, if not fruit vendor? I can think of a bunch of roles that don’t make sense in this setup. Cop, bulletproof...

TMI on masons?

i dont really see why you bother claiming PR and saying "I crumbed my partner in a really obv way". like, you may as well just claim them at that point but w/e!

No clue what you're talking about, I'd trust MathBlade with the nuclear launch codes. He's never revealed a secret in his life

[Battle Mage]

math, please re-think your read on me.

hammer (or screwdriver) as requested:

VOTE: Superbowl

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[Battle Mage]

Can I get a list of all claims please I'm getting confused.

No we can do that tomorrow, none of the current claims were necessary

outrageous. we shoulda just massclaimed but w/e

[Battle Mage]

Can I get a list of all claims please I'm getting confused.

No we can do that tomorrow, none of the current claims were necessary

outrageous. we shoulda just massclaimed but w/e

We’re doing that first thing tomorrow. Get your thinking caps on for your fake claims.

i already claimed dude.

[Battle Mage]

I’m just quoting this to bookmark my post. Work kept me busy and I have a lot of pages in this game to still catch up on (seriously wtf happened?).

I disagree with the people calling BM scum in these past few pages I read. He’s kinda all over the place with votes but I don’t see the scum motivation for it. Reads more like Town who really doesn’t know what to do here. I think scum here would have an idea of what they want the gamestate to be and would either push for a more focused path or let it be if it’s already what they want.

good take

[Battle Mage]

we're still playing?? bloody hell, it's the day that won't end.

VOTE: hessian

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: superbowl

[Battle Mage]

thanks mate!

[Battle Mage]

this might be controversial but VOTE: no elim

yes, i do mean the player.

[Battle Mage]

oh yeah i forget all about the mason claim haha

[Battle Mage]

i guess it's sus he didnt die?

[Battle Mage]

Can we get an agreement that no one will suicide anymore? It's frustrating to lose people like that.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the consensus is against Mathblade at this point. I'm not sure but at the same point if Math's right that's two people who are hard aligned with each other. I also disagree with crumbing a mason partner in general. TLDR, I think there's better places to look, but I wouldn't run it past Math.

Double moonlogic, Math and Flavor are S v S. Given how hard I TR Flavor, I doubt this is a thing. It would depend on Math scum first to even be entertained.

it's possible. I agree we need to flip 1 scum first to topple the tower.

can we massclaim and evaluate the mathclaim based on that?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: OutWorldER

I'm VLA for weekend

[Battle Mage]

Titus is trying to elim me here? eh, i dunno at what stage I should start taking this personally.

The only possible town ower solution is scum has a buttload of power.

^basically this.

My hero solve is something like: OutWorldER + 2 of Flavor Leaf/Titus/No Elim

However I also think from a balance perspective, either OutWorldER or the masons are lying. I'm wary of the fact Math survived last night, and also I had thought his partner was OutWorldER based on his crumbing which threw me off. But happy to do OutWorldER today and go from there, especially given Math seems to be doing the Lord's work today.

can someone do a quick summary of claims for me?

[Battle Mage]

I'm fine with being elimmed tomorrow if OutWorldER flips town.

[Battle Mage]

Titus is trying to elim me here? eh, i dunno at what stage I should start taking this personally.

The only possible town ower solution is scum has a buttload of power.

^basically this.

My hero solve is something like: OutWorldER + 2 of Flavor Leaf/Titus/No Elim

However I also think from a balance perspective, either OutWorldER or the masons are lying. I'm wary of the fact Math survived last night, and also I had thought his partner was OutWorldER based on his crumbing which threw me off. But happy to do OutWorldER today and go from there, especially given Math seems to be doing the Lord's work today.

can someone do a quick summary of claims for me?

Dude, NPOM is like confirmed scum.

He claimed Vanilla yesterday, then changed it to Neapolitan after I called him out on him trying to change roles. And he's been acting dumb about it all day phase since.

Math is incorrectly derp tunneling or scum.

this is helpful, can you ping me some quotes on NPOM?

I mean Math is voting OutWorldER-scum so hard to criticise him for that.

Has everyone claimed? I really want a list of the claims...

[Battle Mage]

I'm fine with being elimmed tomorrow if OutWorldER flips town.

I don't really want either of you flipped.

I want NPOM or the Masons. If Outer is flipped, and is town, I will not be moving my vote off of Mathblade.

I'm non-negotiable on Outer, take from that what you will.

[Battle Mage]

everyone else claimed vanilla? interesting.

So I will go out on a limb and say:

I believe the NPOM claim. I don't believe the Outer claim.

[Battle Mage]

lol Titus I actually wasnt defending NPOM until just now, but ok.

[Battle Mage]

I'm fine with being elimmed tomorrow if OutWorldER flips town.

I don't really want either of you flipped.

I want NPOM or the Masons. If Outer is flipped, and is town, I will not be moving my vote off of Mathblade.

I'm non-negotiable on Outer, take from that what you will.

How'd you get from non-neogitatable on Outer from voting NPOM yesterday?

Now, you're defending NPOM. That screams that you're defending NPOM because you just need Math and you'll miseliminate whatever townie Math says to.

See Titus? Teams are forming

Me on Outer is a good thing right now.

tbh Math, i think if you're scum, town is fucked, so I'm rolling with ya.

although last time i said that, you were scum and town did win, so

[Battle Mage]

everyone else claimed vanilla? interesting.

So I will go out on a limb and say:

I believe the NPOM claim. I don't believe the Outer claim.

No one else has officially claimed.

You're not going out on a limb at all. You're basically obvscumming.

You believe a liar who lied under pressure but don't believe a bodyguard when its the only protective claimed?

If you're town, you should just defer to my reads on this

[Battle Mage]

I'm fine with being elimmed tomorrow if OutWorldER flips town.

What does this mean? Is it a scum claim? Two more miselims and scum wins.

lol come on Ranny, it's fairly obvious what it means.

[Battle Mage]

haha ok ok I think it's probably just Titus-Flavor Leaf-OutWorldER here.

So here's what we do:

We elim OutWorldER today

If OWER flips town, you flip me (I will literally self-vote, it's all good). And obviously if you buy into the theory I'm scum with NPOM, you could flip him straight after me.

If OWER flips scum, we flip Flavor Leaf/Titus tomorrow (and then the other one on the next day).

[Battle Mage]

I can't see why anybody wouldn't get on board with that, if they scumread me, or townread me.

[Battle Mage]

Like, Math, you're trying to live, right?

Outer targets you tonight, boom.

You automatically live or Outer is conf scum.

No. I am not trying to live.

I play each day as if I am dead the next one.

I really think it’s Outer and Alch and FL or Titus here.

But by forcing wagons I can see if Titus’s case has merit and by giving Ranny hammers it literally removes stupid me from the equation.

I think it's FL + Titus dude, with Alch-town, but we can afford 1 mis-elim later on if needed.

[Battle Mage]

the pleading of Titus and FL towards Math is a bit weak

[Battle Mage]

haha ok ok I think it's probably just Titus-Flavor Leaf-OutWorldER here.

So here's what we do:

We elim OutWorldER today

If OWER flips town, you flip me (I will literally self-vote, it's all good). And obviously if you buy into the theory I'm scum with NPOM, you could flip him straight after me.

If OWER flips scum, we flip Flavor Leaf/Titus tomorrow (and then the other one on the next day).

If you’re town this plan sucks we lose

Pedit a million can’t be both here imho one is pocketed by the other or I am the idiot.

nah I'm very sure OWER is scum.

[Battle Mage]

*shrug*

I figure it's obvious to scum that I'm a PR at this point anyway so I'll do my proper claim.

I am

an alternate night Doctor.

I'll keep the even or odd to myself for now. Obviously I claimed VT to reduce my chances of getting killed (sue me).

Hence

I don't believe the Bodyguard claim because 2 gated protectives who could actually do double duty on some nights, doesn't seem viable to me.

And

I do believe the alternate night neapolitan claim because I figure there's bound to be an investigative, and the gating tessellates well with my role.

Hence NPOM-town, OWER-scum.

I figure Titus and Flavor Leaf must both be scum too, because they both figured out I was actually a PR and tried to undermine me. Especially from FL, who I know would take a different line as town.

There's very little reason for me to make this as a scum-gambit either, given I clearly wasn't getting elimmed today and I'd be guaranteeing myself as the elim tomorrow. I voted for OWER as soon as he had claimed but was hoping I could elim him without outting myself.

VOTE: OutWorldER

[Battle Mage]

also, hence me being so interested in the setup and claims (when as colleagues will know, i hate mech stuff)

[Battle Mage]

*shrug*

I figure it's obvious to scum that I'm a PR at this point anyway so I'll do my proper claim.

I am

an alternate night Doctor.

I'll keep the even or odd to myself for now. Obviously I claimed VT to reduce my chances of getting killed (sue me).

Hence

I don't believe the Bodyguard claim because 2 gated protectives who could actually do double duty on some nights, doesn't seem viable to me.

And

I do believe the alternate night neapolitan claim because I figure there's bound to be an investigative, and the gating tessellates well with my role.

Hence NPOM-town, OWER-scum.

I figure Titus and Flavor Leaf must both be scum too, because they both figured out I was actually a PR and tried to undermine me. Especially from FL, who I know would take a different line as town.

There's very little reason for me to make this as a scum-gambit either, given I clearly wasn't getting elimmed today and I'd be guaranteeing myself as the elim tomorrow. I voted for OWER as soon as he had claimed but was hoping I could elim him without outting myself.

VOTE: OutWorldER

Actions?

On the night I could act, I protected Flavor Leaf.

[Battle Mage]

if Flavor Leaf is town here, and didn't twig I was actually doctor, I dunno what to say

[Battle Mage]

*shrug*

I figure it's obvious to scum that I'm a PR at this point anyway so I'll do my proper claim.

I am

an alternate night Doctor.

I'll keep the even or odd to myself for now. Obviously I claimed VT to reduce my chances of getting killed (sue me).

Hence

I don't believe the Bodyguard claim because 2 gated protectives who could actually do double duty on some nights, doesn't seem viable to me.

And

I do believe the alternate night neapolitan claim because I figure there's bound to be an investigative, and the gating tessellates well with my role.

Hence NPOM-town, OWER-scum.

I figure Titus and Flavor Leaf must both be scum too, because they both figured out I was actually a PR and tried to undermine me. Especially from FL, who I know would take a different line as town.

There's very little reason for me to make this as a scum-gambit either, given I clearly wasn't getting elimmed today and I'd be guaranteeing myself as the elim tomorrow. I voted for OWER as soon as he had claimed but was hoping I could elim him without outting myself.

VOTE: OutWorldER

Actions?

On the night I could act, I protected Flavor Leaf.

When did you switch to scumreading Flavor?

lol I'm trying to keep the odd/even bit concealed, this is not a helpful question for that

[Battle Mage]

And I do believe the alternate night neapolitan claim because I figure there's bound to be an investigative, and the gating tessellates well with my role.

with a pair of masons, you think there's an investigative.

And yet another changed claim that I called out.

dude I bet the game on him flipping scum, out of nowhere. It's fairly obvious I had a mech reason.

[Battle Mage]

*shrug*

I figure it's obvious to scum that I'm a PR at this point anyway so I'll do my proper claim.

I am

an alternate night Doctor.

I'll keep the even or odd to myself for now. Obviously I claimed VT to reduce my chances of getting killed (sue me).

Hence

I don't believe the Bodyguard claim because 2 gated protectives who could actually do double duty on some nights, doesn't seem viable to me.

And

I do believe the alternate night neapolitan claim because I figure there's bound to be an investigative, and the gating tessellates well with my role.

Hence NPOM-town, OWER-scum.

I figure Titus and Flavor Leaf must both be scum too, because they both figured out I was actually a PR and tried to undermine me. Especially from FL, who I know would take a different line as town.

There's very little reason for me to make this as a scum-gambit either, given I clearly wasn't getting elimmed today and I'd be guaranteeing myself as the elim tomorrow. I voted for OWER as soon as he had claimed but was hoping I could elim him without outting myself.

VOTE: OutWorldER

Actions?

On the night I could act, I protected Flavor Leaf.

When did you switch to scumreading Flavor?

lol I'm trying to keep the odd/even bit concealed, this is not a helpful question for that

The elim is between NPOM and Outer.

If your claim is true scum probably have an RB or you’re dead. No reason to conceal this if you’re town.

with the possibility of 2 masons, and an investigative, I can see a world where they don't kill me tonight. Especially when it feels like town is close to the solve. You're a smart dude, I think I've given you what you need.

[Battle Mage]

lol Math come on

I'm an odd-night Doc, so I was out and about on Night 1. And I'll be protecting our neapolitan tonight.

[Battle Mage]

if either Titus or FL are town, honestly... i can't believe i had to hard claim here.

[Battle Mage]

if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.

Lol thanks Titus, I'd forgotten that! I had this thing nailed at the start of Day 2!

[Battle Mage]

lol Math come on

I'm an odd-night Doc, so I was out and about on Night 1. And I'll be protecting our neapolitan tonight.

Now with that out when did you switch to scumreading Flavor?

lol no idea dude, go back and read it.

i protected FL night 1 because I figured he was the strongest player and most likely NK if town.

[Battle Mage]

I am trying to figure out the odds of two scum claiming VT and then PR.

It seems incredibly not smart/coached

eh, claiming vanilla was a no-brainer for me because:

A. I've gone over 30 consecutive games without being mis-elimmed so I figured I'm likely only dying by NK here anyway.
B. Actually claiming my role just means I die anyway, so isn't particularly useful.

[Battle Mage]

I think NPOM got caught, and Battle Mage is covering.

lol there's no equity in that, I'd be better off bussing and getting a mis-elim the following day using my sweet obvtownness

[Battle Mage]

Pretty much I am thinking if BM is scum it’s NPOM+BM+FL/Titus here

This reeks of coaching. If BM is scum he doesn’t come up with a fake claim like that to try to convince people outer is scum. He does that because he’s told to.

Spoiler:

i'm town

[Battle Mage]

lol Titus' bad faith takes

[Battle Mage]

*shrug*

I figure it's obvious to scum that I'm a PR at this point anyway so I'll do my proper claim.

I am

an alternate night Doctor.

I'll keep the even or odd to myself for now. Obviously I claimed VT to reduce my chances of getting killed (sue me).

Hence

I don't believe the Bodyguard claim because 2 gated protectives who could actually do double duty on some nights, doesn't seem viable to me.

And

I do believe the alternate night neapolitan claim because I figure there's bound to be an investigative, and the gating tessellates well with my role.

Hence NPOM-town, OWER-scum.

I figure Titus and Flavor Leaf must both be scum too, because they both figured out I was actually a PR and tried to undermine me. Especially from FL, who I know would take a different line as town.

There's very little reason for me to make this as a scum-gambit either, given I clearly wasn't getting elimmed today and I'd be guaranteeing myself as the elim tomorrow. I voted for OWER as soon as he had claimed but was hoping I could elim him without outting myself.

VOTE: OutWorldER

[Battle Mage]

FL, if you join me on Outer today, I'm willing to look at that tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

@Titus why are you not voting NPOM? I think I missed that.

Because I was a) holding out for BM and b) was going to quick hammer if you voted him.

VLA until Sunday

weren't you voting me for hammering yesterday? (although it wasn't exactly quick, and was very much facilitated by superbowl)

[Battle Mage]

I figure it's obvious to scum that I'm a PR at this point anyway so I'll do my proper claim.

Hey BM why do you think this would be obvious to scum or to anyone? I didn’t see where you crumbed it.

lol! maybe ask Flavor Leaf or Titus since they both picked up on it. i was hinting at it for numerous posts today, after I figured there was a risk we wouldn't elim OWER unless I gave a bit more help.

[Battle Mage]

also, i don't even have the paranoia of OWER-town in a weird setup with 2 town protectives and a roleblocker, given if that was the case scum would just have taken up my offer to elim him, then me.

[Battle Mage]

Titus let me be blunt here. You’re acting an awful lot like a fourth scum and this is ELO.

I get both NPOM’s and BM’s claims are suspect as fuck. But the fact you’re literally waiting out in the wings for a quick hammer (your words) instead of voting NPOM when in your world there is no way I could be scum is sus as fuck.

You’re not even considering traitor which is normal, and I don’t know if the above is a slip.

Give me a reason by play you’re town here. Not mechanics. Play.

how on earth is Titus acting like it's ELO? and how is my claim remotely "suspect"?

I really hope, if my solve is right, you're just screwing around, and not actually going to throw the game for town.

[Battle Mage]

I feel like there is probably not one town player left alive who has played well, and virtually every town player who is dead, had a better showing.

[Battle Mage]

it seems very simple to me. We have 2 claimed protectives. Me and OWER. Unlikely, given all the other claimed and revealed roles. How the claimed masons don't see it, is beyond me.

I figure it goes like this:

Ranny sheeps Math
Math stalls but ultimately does whatever Titus and Flavor Leaf tell him

I have no idea why but whatever. Just seems a shitty way to lose when we can easily win this.

[Battle Mage]

I figure it's obvious to scum that I'm a PR at this point anyway so I'll do my proper claim.

Hey BM why do you think this would be obvious to scum or to anyone? I didn’t see where you crumbed it.

lol! maybe ask Flavor Leaf or Titus since they both picked up on it. i was hinting at it for numerous posts today, after I figured there was a risk we wouldn't elim OWER unless I gave a bit more help.

So you started crumbing it day 3?

it wasn't really crumbing, i was dropping whole fking loaves. i was hoping Titus or FL would be town, take the hint, and we could bury it in content so I wouldnt have to claim.

[Battle Mage]

it seems to me that you're about to throw away the game regardless of anything I say because you are listening to Titus and FL and not me.

You'll forgive me if I don't waste my time going back to dig out quotes which you can easily find yourself (you were here when this all happened and I know you're not stupid).

absolutely ridiculous

[Battle Mage]

can you just look at the claims please, and tell me setup-wise what makes sense - 1 protective and investigative on alternating nights - yes. 2 protectives which overlap awkwardly - no. that's essentially what this boils down to. i only 'crumbed' when i knew it was necessary to risk outting my role to get OWER-elimmed. it doesn't make sense for me to do that as a gambit to save hypothetical partner NPOM when it buys me maximum of 1 mis-elim for 2 consecutive scum elims, or potentially 2 consecutive scum-elims and conftowning somebody else.

If you are masons, think about the permutations here - what makes sense in terms of setup and also the way each player has approached it. It's not like BM doesn't fakeclaim as town often if there's a reason, and it's pretty obvious that the manner I claimed VT (under no pressure, and using the excuse of being neighbourhooded to make it believable) was just to stop me being NKed. My role is alternate night so it kinda relies on me surviving a few night phases to get value from it.

[Battle Mage]

Like, end of the day, I know I caught scum.

For all we know, both wagons are scum, and we’re just fighting over which one.

If there’s bussing going on, NPOM is not any actual danger here.

If you're town, I am convinced you know I'm right about OWER, and you trust me on this. I've played with FL-town (or your alts) a few times and you always eventually have confidence in me, and you also always have good mech savvy. Here you haven't even really talked about the setup impact of these claims and you've latched onto the fact someone 'fakeclaimed', despite the fact I think you have done that as town before too.

[Battle Mage]

can you just look at the claims please, and tell me setup-wise what makes sense - 1 protective and investigative on alternating nights - yes. 2 protectives which overlap awkwardly - no. that's essentially what this boils down to. i only 'crumbed' when i knew it was necessary to risk outting my role to get OWER-elimmed. it doesn't make sense for me to do that as a gambit to save hypothetical partner NPOM when it buys me maximum of 1 mis-elim for 2 consecutive scum elims, or potentially 2 consecutive scum-elims and conftowning somebody else.

If you are masons, think about the permutations here - what makes sense in terms of setup and also the way each player has approached it. It's not like BM doesn't fakeclaim as town often if there's a reason, and it's pretty obvious that the manner I claimed VT (under no pressure, and using the excuse of being neighbourhooded to make it believable) was just to stop me being NKed. My role is alternate night so it kinda relies on me surviving a few night phases to get value from it.

So you’re claiming coached?

i dont know what that sentence means

[Battle Mage]

can you just look at the claims please, and tell me setup-wise what makes sense - 1 protective and investigative on alternating nights - yes. 2 protectives which overlap awkwardly - no. that's essentially what this boils down to. i only 'crumbed' when i knew it was necessary to risk outting my role to get OWER-elimmed. it doesn't make sense for me to do that as a gambit to save hypothetical partner NPOM when it buys me maximum of 1 mis-elim for 2 consecutive scum elims, or potentially 2 consecutive scum-elims and conftowning somebody else.

If you are masons, think about the permutations here - what makes sense in terms of setup and also the way each player has approached it. It's not like

BM

doesn't fakeclaim as town often if there's a reason, and it's pretty obvious that the manner I claimed VT (under no pressure, and using the excuse of being neighbourhooded to make it believable) was just to stop me being NKed. My role is alternate night so it kinda relies on me surviving a few night phases to get value from it.

That’s an odd way to refer to yourself. Bold is me

ok Math, just focus on crap like that, and ignore the substance of everything I said.

[Battle Mage]

lol scumslip? dude get real.

also, ftr i am never "coached" as scum - people who try, get bussed to death immediately.

consider me checked out for the day, as I think this is a lost cause. Math seems more interested in keeping FL happy than elimming scum or even talking about the possibility of elimming scum, or even talking to me about anything actually useful.

[Battle Mage]

Math, I can live with you calling me scum here, although it's completely ridiculous given what has happened.

You claiming I'm some shit scum who would need coaching, or would even listen to coaching, is insulting. I'm fking great as scum, I often suck as town.

[Battle Mage]

The main issue here is BM referred to himself in the third person.

People don’t do that even in drafts or edits.

That was a copy pasta from a scum PT.

I've referred to myself in the 3rd person lots of times in games - I expect it's NAI but who cares? You're jumping at shadows and ignoring EVERYTHING WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HAPPENING. I feel like I'm talking a maniac off a ledge right now.

[Battle Mage]

The main issue here is BM referred to himself in the third person.

People don’t do that even in drafts or edits.

That was a copy pasta from a scum PT.

I've referred to myself in the 3rd person lots of times in games - I expect it's NAI but who cares? You're jumping at shadows and ignoring EVERYTHING WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HAPPENING. I feel like I'm talking a maniac off a ledge right now.

You see why I wanted to fade in the masons now yesterday?

i would have considered this today, prior to:

A. the claim from OWER
B. The fact that currently, if the masons are scum, they are pretty much guaranteed to win and I can't fathom why they would milk it like this.

[Battle Mage]

Math, I can live with you calling me scum here, although it's completely ridiculous given what has happened.

You claiming I'm some shit scum who would need coaching, or would even listen to coaching, is insulting. I'm fking great as scum, I often suck as town.

Good scum coordinate with buddies. It may not be FL but that’s the most likely. It makes the most sense. The tone of that post is all wrong and the third person is bad. You didn’t point out your “loaves”. You were coached or you failed to edit something. I just don’t know what or who.

lol this is exactly why i didnt bother doing your job for you. it doesn't matter what i say or do. You're clearly unable to:

1. Consider my alignment and motivation in an objective and holistic way.
2. See the bigger picture within the game and address the key issues of the day.

I tried, and this is what I get, so my conscience is clear. Good town consider what people say in good faith and respond accordingly, rather than tunnelling on nothing and throwing baseless and pointless accusations at somebody trying to talk them down from the brink.

If you gave this game more than 2 minutes consideration, I wholeheartedly believe you can make a sensible decision. But I just think you would rather indulge in ludicrous speculation and ultimately do what FL tells you.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Nopoweroverme

doesn't look like we can do anything else anyway. what a joke. at least there's a statistical chance he can be scum. It's virtually unanimous anyway, and I'm obviously wasting my breath with Mathblade.

But I'm sure my solve is right and this probably flips town. Whatever.

[Battle Mage]

I’m back to thinking Masons and NPOM.

They can’t be this delusional as town, they just can’t.

I hear ya on the delusional bit, but even if they were the most inept scum, surely they would have taken the easy win from back to back OWER and BM flips.

[Battle Mage]

FL has no logical reasoning for continuing his push on me besides being scum himself.

i apologise dude, as I do think you're town (albeit you've been scummy town at times, as discussed on Day 2!). I just think it's a lost cause because I'm the only one posting who thinks that, and there's 3 people about to hammer you anyway.

[Battle Mage]

FL has no logical reasoning for continuing his push on me besides being scum himself.

i apologise dude, as I do think you're town (albeit you've been scummy town at times, as discussed on Day 2!). I just think it's a lost cause because I'm the only one posting who thinks that, and there's 3 people about to hammer you anyway.

Actually no. I think NPOM could be town here

I am slow playing this for reactions and possibly elim Outer

The fact you moved is HUGE and Titus’s response is VERY important

I assumed you would say this, because you've decided I'm scum for no good reason, and are reading everything else through that incorrect lens.

[Battle Mage]

FL has no logical reasoning for continuing his push on me besides being scum himself.

i apologise dude, as I do think you're town (albeit you've been scummy town at times, as discussed on Day 2!). I just think it's a lost cause because I'm the only one posting who thinks that, and there's 3 people about to hammer you anyway.

Actually no. I think NPOM could be town here

I am slow playing this for reactions and possibly elim Outer

The fact you moved is HUGE and Titus’s response is VERY important

I assumed you would say this, because you've decided I'm scum for no good reason, and are reading everything else through that incorrect lens.

Arguing with you about my read right now is counter productive.

Titus! I subpoena you! Look at the shiny wagon!!!

Clearly you considered actually engaging with me in any meaningful way was counter-productive.

[Battle Mage]

congrats to scum, but i have to say awful town performance. On Day 3 (and even moreso Day 4), OWER->FL was a no-brainer and then we would have had at least 1 mis-elim to try and hit Alch. A cleansweep for mafia there is unforgivable. But as I said on Day 3, with the numbers as they were, we needed the masons to play ball to have a chance.



mafia more or less killed all the right people at the right time though, to their credit. And it's funny looking back I was dead right about OWER originally - he did that open-hammer gambit because he was confident in his experienced scumbuddies.

[Battle Mage]

@Battle Mage I think you’re being overly critical of the Masons. Like I said, an important part of the game is to be able to convince people that you are right. You had the game mostly figured out - just like Johnny and Math for example. But you also made mistakes - if I remember correctly, you revealing your role *hurt* your credibility more than it helped for example when you were trying to avoid having NPOM executed. If anything, it gave the Scum more room to throw misinformation out there. Waiting to reveal your role on a later Day could have made the difference there.

Anyway, onto the next one.

I don't agree on the timing of revealing my role. Doing it later wouldn't have helped as the momentum would already have been with scum and also makes my counterclaim ALOT less credible, and doing it earlier would have prevented OWER slipping in the first place. I suppose there's an argument I don't claim at all there, but like what's the point in not counterclaiming scum in that slot? Any half decent novice town elims the original claim first on a counter-claim by default. Or failing that, elims me to confscum OWER. elimming the investigative was dumb, as no-elim rightly said. Looking back at this game, I'm baffled.