Mini 141: The Streets of El Pallante - GAME OVER

[Locus Cosecant]

I don't like random voting at the start. If everybody knows it's meaningless, it does not achieve its stated aim.

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How would you start the game Locus Cosecant?

With a discussion of how sad it is that Fuldu is dead, and who might have had a grudge against him.

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My name, Kerplunk, is Locus

Cosecant

. That's 1/sin, okay?

Anyway, in terms of suspicions... I'm a little unhappy with the overly defensive way Nanook has been playing. I'd say he's the best candidate for the noose at this point.

vote: Nanook

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Unvote Nanook

. Too precarious, and my vote was not based on anything close to certainty.

I don't know if this is the way IS always plays, but I don't like it. I'm not sure I even care if that's how he normally plays, letting players get away with acting like scum hurts the town.

Vote Internet Stranger

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That hurts my feelings

Then stop acting like scum.

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bah screw the claim! lynch! lynch!

Yes! Lynch IS! Lynch IS!

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LOL @ Locus
You will get used to the way IS plays soon

So you're going to give him a free pass on acting scummy just because 'that's the way he plays'? No, that's not right. If somebody plays scummy, you lynch them for it.

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hey listen Locus, if we lynched IS every game that he acted like this, he would get lynched first every game!
Wake up mate, yeah IS is outspoken but he cant be scum in every game!
This is just how he plays.

If we lynched him first in every game, then hopefully he would learn not to play like a psycho. I'm all for this plan.

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I as do many others, happen to like IS and the way he plays.

Just because many people believe something doesn't make it not wrong. What would you look for to tell if IS was scum? He acts like scum anyway!

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Why is his location relevant to anything? Maybe a serial killer needs to know where someone is before they kill them. What useful information could you possibly hope to get, if you're town, by forcing a location claim?

fos: Flying Dutchman

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Why is his location relevant to anything?

vote: Locus Cosecant

if you don't know about living districts, then I doubt you're town.

I know about the districts. I just fail to see how they are relevant to the town. You would

know

this if you had read my post about them closely. I don't see how it helps the town to tell where they live.

Oh, and just to keep me from distracting you from finding actual scum, I can claim my location, if you want. Just to lay to rest the idea that I don't know about the districts, I will. I don't think it's helpful to the town, but if the general consensus is that I should location-claim, who am I to stand against the town?

Either way, though, b_k, your vote against me was pure crap, so either back it up with reasonableness, or unvote me.

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Actually, I would tend to agree that all the townies would know about the districtness. I find it kind of suspicious that you disagree with that theory. Perhaps you did not recieve any information about locationage, because you're scum, and thus you want to defeat the idea of the importance of districts before you're forced to reveal that you have no clue.

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Actually, I would tend to agree that all the townies would know about the districtness. I find it kind of suspicious that you disagree with that theory. Perhaps you did not recieve any information about locationage, because you're scum, and thus you want to defeat the idea of the importance of districts before you're forced to reveal that you have no clue.

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In Kerplunk’s version as he outlined in the first post, the first two are pretty much the same as a general role pm. He does something different w/ the win condition. Instead of saying “you win when all the baddies are gone”, he says what district you live in. So I see that what district one lives in is one’s win condition. So when you [Locus Cosecant] ask why a location is relevant, this sets off flags to me as it appears to be the win condition. Hence my vote on you.

unvote Internet Stranger, vote big_kahunia

The district you live in is the win condition? Someone here is displaying ignorance about what a pro-town role pm looks like, and here's a hint: it isn't me.

Sorry to disappoint you, Internet Stranger. I

would

dearly like to lynch you, but, you know, I'd rather lynch someone who demonstrates his scumminess, rather than one who camouflages it under an affected bloodthirst.

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In Kerplunk’s version as he outlined in the first post, the first two are pretty much the same as a general role pm. He does something different w/ the win condition. Instead of saying “you win when all the baddies are gone”, he says what district you live in. So I see that what district one lives in is one’s win condition. So when you [Locus Cosecant] ask why a location is relevant, this sets off flags to me as it appears to be the win condition. Hence my vote on you.

unvote Internet Stranger, vote big_kahunia

The district you live in is the win condition? Someone here is displaying ignorance about what a pro-town role pm looks like, and here's a hint: it isn't me.

Sorry to disappoint you, Internet Stranger. I

would

dearly like to lynch you, but, you know, I'd rather lynch someone who demonstrates his scumminess, rather than one who camouflages it under an affected bloodthirst.

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Someone here is displaying ignorance about what a pro-town role pm looks like, and here's a hint: it isn't me.

How am I displaying ignorance about what pms look like? My general one is how most of the pms I've received from games here have followed.

For this game, I mean. I'm sure you've recieved pro-town role pms in the past, but you sound like you didn't recieve one for this game.

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We can't tell a thing from this about the location receiving of non-townies.

I would

guess

, though, that it's the people who aren't a part of this town that would not live in this town and would therefore not know their way around the town.

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My main thought, which I didn’t clarify when I initially voted LC, is that all the scum may be living in

one

district. So that if he didn’t know about the importance of living districts, that is why I doubted he was town. So in essence I voted him based on my theory, which I forgot to post. Sorry to be so unclear in my earlier posts (hopefully I'm clear in this one).

That is BS. big_kahunia, please tell us where you live.

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First of all, it makes no sense to think that the mafia would make up one district of the town. Flavorfully or mechanically, it makes no sense for the mod to set it up that way. Did you see the role of the Neighborhood Watch? They look for suspicious activity in a given district. If all the mafia are in one district, this makes no sense.

Second of all, you say you didn't make that position "clear" when you first started voting me. You did make clear, though, that you thought I was scum

because I had no knowledge

of the districts. Then you

switched your position

, to saying your "main thought" was that all the scum would be living in one district.

I note that your location claim is one of the already outed locations, so that cannot be used to help verify my innocence. I live near the train station, though. That district has not been publicized, so if scum don't know the locations, I must innocent. I won't rule out that scum know locations. I am, however, innocent regardless. My role PM says so.

To sum up, then:
1)big_kahunia proposed a preposterous idea. Shaky.
2)big_kahunia changed his story. Very scummy.
3)I live next to the train station. Could very easily be townie.

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I still don't like Internet Stranger.

Vote: IS

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If we only have one killing group, why was a specific name given for the type of mafia NanookTheWolf was?

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Thanks Yggdrasil.

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I would swear I posted in this thread...

Anyway, the gist of the magical disappearing post was that, although I find b_k suspicious, and I hate IS with a passion, looking back over the thread, I find Dodgy noticeably more suspicious than either. Dodgy defended the idea that pro-town power roles might not have a location, which, to me, seems a bit silly, as well as acting very squirelly toward Nanook's wagon.

Sorry, IS, you know I hate you, but I gotta

unvote, vote Dodgy

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big_kahunia's post seals the deal for me. He outright admits that Dodgy is "suspicious", but says he doesn't find the evidence "incriminating". I'm not sure I understand the distinction there. What's more, he says that shelper is suspicious-looking because of how he threw suspicion on Nanook without voting him, to cover himself - can't that same logic be applied to Dodgy's voting dance?

I really like both Dodgy and big_kahunia as scum, now.

unvote, vote: big_kahunia

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He had a chance to claim. He just posted a post quoting a demand that he roleclaim, and he was curiously quiet about the subject.

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Well BK, you didnt role claim and that leaves me in a tricky situation.
I understand what you were trying to tell me in your post and because of this, I am going to stick my neck out and unvote you because, if what you were implying to me is true, and I have no option but to trust you, then I think the town is about to make a huge mistake!
If however you have fooled me then I would be forced to role claim and explain my actions.

Unvote: BK

Yeah, they're mafia together. Look at that crazy crap they're trying to pull. "I can't explain what I think, but gee whiz, guys, it would be a mistake to lynch him. Unless he's scum. But never fear, I have a ready-made alibi!"

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If you've laid hints as to your role, you might as well claim. The mafia are better at interpreting hints than normal folks are, since they have more information.

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unvote

, waiting for counterclaim.

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Well, there go my top two suspects, if we can believe b_k. When in doubt,

vote: Internet Stranger

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That claim makes a bit more sense... but it's also noticeably distinct from what big_kahunia said. Trying desperately to salvage yourself?

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I'm leaving until Monday to visit relatives. Please don't lynch me while I'm away.

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Now that I look at the thread, it would seem that Jaguar, formerly big_kahunia, has changed his/her story, which is somewhat inexcusable. Fine, IS, as much as my blood seethes with hatred for you, you win.

unvote, vote Jaguar

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big_kahunia: "007"
Jaguar: "Sean Connery"

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I'm the most outspoken recently, but I'm far from the driving force. Look at the history of the thread: I disagreed at first, and only agreed after rereading the thread. You're certainly a liar, certainly CYAing in post 214, and certainly throwing your lot in with Jaguar. I think I'd be happier lynching you, Dodgy, than I would to lynch Jaguar, if only because I don't want to risk losing a cop-type, but heck, I'm not too worried.

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He's begging to be lynched. Anybody wanna take him up on that offer? My vote'll be there in a heartbeat.

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Unvote

, Dodgy? You weren't voting me!

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And why the hell do you suddenly consider me innocent? I find this whole mess highly suspect.

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Jaguar's death description doesn't exactly make her sound sane.

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Sure, but if she's not sane, you're not cleared.

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Look, quit already.
She was sane and she was telling the truth, read kerplunk's post.

Well, I'm convinced.

vote: Dodgy

. Maybe make some arguments to support your points, instead of just stating it as gospel truth.

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Funny, I'm liking my Dodgy vote more and more.

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Maybe someone has a power they can use to rush to a lynch?

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Why do we trust Dodgy? The cop-ish that vouched for him didn't seem like the sanest of individuals.

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Locus, are you a little slow mate?
Please read the thread and stop asking the same questions over and over again!

I know you were investigated. I'm questioning the cop's sanity. Your refusal to even acknowledge that point just increases my doubts about you.

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He said no one was going to lynch you, presumably on the strength of Mr. Connery's evidence. He never said he investigated you, and one short ambiguous sentence does not erase a game's worth of scummy behavior on your part.

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ps. it is far more likely that he said no one was going to lynch me, because he had himself investigated me and found me innocent and held the power to save my butt!

You're not exactly the most unbiased person to be interpreting his statements. Like I say, one ambiguous statement isn't enough to eliminate a game's worth of scummy play.

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On top of that DOdgy is doing his damn best in trying to distract us away from Corsato.

Question: if Dodgy is the one trying to distract us, why are you voting Corsato? Why would he be trying to distract us if he weren't scum?

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I have already told the town where I live. I was the first to mention the trainstation location, in fact.

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Vote: IS

You've been lying.

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I'm voting you 'cause you've been lying. Granted, it gives me a certain visceral satisfaction, given my disagreement with your playstyle and the fact that you're getting me killed in like infinity games right now, but I'm voting you 'cause you've been lying, and the town cannot let you off after that. If that means we lose, oops, but we still made the right play. Someone who lies and gets someone lynched because of that lie gets lynched. Period.

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Gonna be gone until Saturday afternoon. Please don't lynch me while I'm gone and can't defend myself.

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unvote

, to try to think about this a bit. I don't know... there's a simple algorithm: if Albert says Beth is lying about her nightchoices, and you lynch Beth because of that, and Beth is pro-town, then you lynch Albert in the morning. The doc claim complicates things a little, but the fact that he's trying to dismiss everything I say as anti-IS bias... you know, screw it.

vote: IS

. You're pissing me off, man. I have a point, which you're flailing desperately to gloss over. What's going on?

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Flying Dutchman needs replacement, moderator. Leonidas, post please.

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er, not Leonidas, shelper.

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Is that a lynch?

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Anybody seen Kerplunk?

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Well, I think the lynch has already occurred. Where's the mod?

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Flying Dutchman needs replaced.

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Hello? Mod? Has this game been abandoned?

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FD needs replacement. I don't think we have a mod anymore.

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Fine.

vote: no lynch

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I think no-lynch is the way to go, what can I say?

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It's time for a mass role/location claim. Leonidas, why don't you start.

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Location claims?

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I'm still waiting for Leonidas to locationclaim.

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Any final arguments before I vote?

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I'm still mulling it over. Don't rush me.

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Sigh.

vote Leonidas

I'm sorry everybody. I did my best.

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I guess I was about 60/40% more convinced of your scumminess than of HairyMezican's. Really hard to tell, you're both horrible lurkers.

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Well played all, good job mod. Now go sign up for my mini-normal.