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[OopsieDaisy]

Heyo, Daisy here! Haven't played in a few years (and that was on an alt with a yucky deadname) so this should be a fun reintro to stuffs!

Now iirc from the few episodes of A:TLA I watched, wasn't Zuko trying to kill the avatar? That seems pretty sus if you ask me...

VOTE: Prince Zuko

[OopsieDaisy]

Wow! What do you find in page 1 to think this pairs/reads?

It's entirely gut

Wait you've got gut reads on people who haven't spoke yet? I wanna borrow some of those telepathy powers they sound cool as heck

[OopsieDaisy]

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca, Shigaraki, Death}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

Updated to include all players, for some reason I thought this was an 11 player game.

I also appreciate the town lean on the co-mod who posted

[OopsieDaisy]

Daisy come and town-spew

Nah, maybe later if I'm feeling up to it

[OopsieDaisy]

Daisy come and town-spew

Nah, maybe later if I'm feeling up to it

this isn't helping your case

I don't care about my case lmao, go push someone else this is boring

[OopsieDaisy]

I'm sorry you rolled scum and we caught you page 1

You always say this and you're always wrong lol, what makes this time any different?

[OopsieDaisy]

Also for the record this interaction isn't scum indicative for El they're fine for now

[OopsieDaisy]

I refute that I'm always wrong.
I was right when we played friends and enemies and enemies.
Town you is bubbly. This isn't you being bubbly.
This is a reeeeeeead.

Ofc I'm not being bubbly how the hell are you supposed to naturally bounce off of people on a forum, it's a completely different game

[OopsieDaisy]

I can't exactly whack on a pair of shades and start stacking bananas on my head can I?

[OopsieDaisy]

And then you refuse to town-spew yet are still being active.

What do you even mean by town-spew? Like the only thing to talk about right now is your push on me which isn't really indicative of anything. I think there's another peep on the wagon but typical forum behaviour is to start a big wagon to get people talking right?

[OopsieDaisy]

And then you refuse to town-spew yet are still being active.

What do you even mean by town-spew? Like the only thing to talk about right now is your push on me which isn't really indicative of anything. I think there's another peep on the wagon but typical forum behaviour is to start a big wagon to get people talking right?

i explicitly said i think you're scum. you don't think that's worthy of your time?

Not really, what makes it worthy of my time?

[OopsieDaisy]

you seemed to be getting hella defensive at elements pushing you. and you're dismissing my vote as "another peep on the wagon bc forum like build wagon" when i'm saying that's not why i'm voting you. it's odd.

I'm a very odd person, idk I haven't heard enough from you that's worth talking about. I guess maybe cause I know El outside the game I'm a lot more willing to call em out on stuff but eh, idk if I'm missing something but the only reason you're voting me is cause you "think I'm scum" with like nothing else so there's not really anything to glean from that.

[OopsieDaisy]

the only reason you're voting me is cause you "think I'm scum" with like nothing else so there's not really anything to glean from that.

Have you tried asking why he thinks you're scum?

That's not my responsibility?

[OopsieDaisy]

If they wanna say why they think I'm scum then they can do it lmao, why should I have to prod em for it?

[OopsieDaisy]

How many forum games have you played Daisy?

2 five years ago, 2-3 three years ago & the one I dropped out of a couple months ago that you modded on another forum cause I decided it was a good idea to swap accounts with the really active person when I had a busy af schedule

[OopsieDaisy]

If they wanna say why they think I'm scum then they can do it lmao, why should I have to prod em for it?

So you can refute their points and show you're town

I'm not interested in proving my innocence right now, I wanna hear what more people think about the interaction first

[OopsieDaisy]

I'm not interested in proving my innocence right now, I wanna hear what more people think about the interaction first

you wanna hear more what people think of the interaction first, but you're also not interested in asking about it at all?

No I wanna hear more people, not the same people.

[OopsieDaisy]

...but you hadn't even heard my reasoning?

do you have an opinion on my slot yet?

You're pushing the game forward and prodding me with questions, that's good.

[OopsieDaisy]

Daisy, do you have a read on me yet?

No not really, you're usually like this as either alignment

[OopsieDaisy]

I've heard enough. Nice catch Elements.

VOTE: OopsieDaisy

Yeah unlike the first two votes on me this one I don't like.

UNVOTE: Prince Zuko
VOTE: NPOM

[OopsieDaisy]

Elements was much more diplomatic in his last game. He lost that game as town so I believe his willingnes to learn from his mistakes that game is super townie, and I agree with him on most of his points on oopsie so far.

Wait El's diplomatic on here? That's the exact opposite of how I've see them play in our discord games lol

[OopsieDaisy]

Elements was much more diplomatic in his last game. He lost that game as town so I believe his willingnes to learn from his mistakes that game is super townie, and I agree with him on most of his points on oopsie so far.

Wait El's diplomatic on here? That's the exact opposite of how I've see them play in our discord games lol

I'm contrasting THEIR play here with his play in 2181. I don't play on discord. I did play with THEM in 2181 for the first part of the game. THEY are much more aggressive early on here than THEY were in 2181. Mixing up THEIR play based on performance is townie, in my opinion.

Ok it is p funny that you made a point to capitlise all the they's and you still messed it up once lol, tho we appreciate the effort :P

[OopsieDaisy]

And yea that's fair obvs, I'm just contrasting that to my experience with them which is that they usually are very aggressive when they're playing with me

[OopsieDaisy]

Any sort of information is helpful to town and meta is information.

incorrect. Scum is also playing this game and gives false information all the time. This information can easily be used to white knight bad wagons and cause town to slip up. It's a towns duty to discern bad information from good information but to assume that anything a person bings to the table to inform the town is helpful is bad play.

Surely if someone's pumping out bad info that gives a bad read on them right? Don't we wanna encourage people to speak their mind cause it'll give more info about them or am I being dumb?

[OopsieDaisy]

Any sort of information is helpful to town and meta is information.

incorrect. Scum is also playing this game and gives false information all the time. This information can easily be used to white knight bad wagons and cause town to slip up. It's a towns duty to discern bad information from good information but to assume that anything a person bings to the table to inform the town is helpful is bad play.

Surely if someone's pumping out bad info that gives a bad read on them right? Don't we wanna encourage people to speak their mind cause it'll give more info about them or am I being dumb?

If you want to encourage people to speak their mind why did you vote me after I voted you?

Because I thought your comment after your vote in the post was an attempt to pocket El as scum, which you doubled down on in another post afterwards.

[OopsieDaisy]

I've heard enough.

Nice catch Elements.

VOTE: OopsieDaisy

Elements was much more diplomatic in his last game. He lost that game as town so I believe his willingnes to learn from his mistakes that game is super townie, and I agree with him on most of his points on oopsie so far.

These two posts are what I'm on about

[OopsieDaisy]

Any sort of information is helpful to town and meta is information.

incorrect. Scum is also playing this game and gives false information all the time. This information can easily be used to white knight bad wagons and cause town to slip up. It's a towns duty to discern bad information from good information but to assume that anything a person bings to the table to inform the town is helpful is bad play.

Surely if someone's pumping out bad info that gives a bad read on them right? Don't we wanna encourage people to speak their mind cause it'll give more info about them or am I being dumb?

If you want to encourage people to speak their mind why did you vote me after I voted you?

Because I thought your comment after your vote in the post was an attempt to pocket El as scum, which you doubled down on in another post afterwards.

That's certainly not what it comes across as.

Town hunting is part of the game.

I mean that's the vibe I get from it, idk what else to tell you I voted based on that and your further comments haven't given me anything that's pinged me as town.

[OopsieDaisy]

Point is that meta is an easily abused thing. I have to take Elements word on meta play of Daisy or go read through countless pages of games that they are both in to confirm what element is saying is true and even then, people grow and learn from past mistakes. Meta is not a guaranteed answer to someones play style and can easily be misinterpreted. boy oh boy do scum like to misinterpret things for their benefit.

I've never played a text-based mafia game with El

[OopsieDaisy]

So you wouldn't even be able to check

[OopsieDaisy]

Yeah, it's called town hunting. I agree with Elements and I find Elements pro town.

If you think I'm pocketing that's your perrogative but as I said, if you think anyone who townreads someone else is pocketing then you're probably not town yourself.

But that's not what I think, it's specifically that townread that doesn't read well to me. You don't see me going round yelling at everyone for daring to town read someone?

[OopsieDaisy]

The reason you don't like my townread is because I voted you. That's the difference.

This all comes down to your defensive posture.

Wait hang on a sec you're the only one on my wagon I scum read?

[OopsieDaisy]

I will make a sudden impact on my entrance...

this is a foreshadowing

This is scum. Town doesn’t need an elaborate gambit to join the game.

Salsabil/shigaraki/who else?

Wait a sec since when does scum need an elaborate gambit to join the game lmao? I feel like that's NAI at best

[OopsieDaisy]

Wait hang on a sec why is there this giant wagon on someone who has claimed cop? Doesn't the logic of "Don't vote Shigaraki Day 1 cause either they're mafia lying and we can figure it out later, or they're town and we vote out a cop" apply to Cook too?

[OopsieDaisy]

Tfw you call out the big wagon for not making sense, inadventently causing everyone to jump onto you as you're the most viable 2nd wagon right now.



I'll get a read list done shortly, just so if the wagon does get hammered there's some info on what I think of people rather than just grumpy me from yesterday.

[OopsieDaisy]

I still screaming Daisy but multiple wagons are a good thing.

If you're not screaming Daisy right now I'm going to be very dissappointed.

Scumread

Ah what it was all a lie? BS can't believe this tomfoolery.

Anyways back to making my read list

[OopsieDaisy]

Okie I did it! Read list time :3

Cook/Shigaraki:
Lumping these two together because they’ve both claimed cop and haven’t shown any signs of backing off of it. Vote me over these peeps please.

Datisi:
Datisi is my top town read (bar the cop claims by virtue of mechanics) this game. I really like the way they’re proactively engaging with the game, from prodding me with questions on Page 4 to the way they’ve reacted to the Cook wagon I’ve just really liked. I can follow their progression and again the proactivity is great to see.

Salsa:
Seem like a relatively new player who’s being proactive and asking questions, can’t complain about this slot one bit right now. Town lean.

El:
El’s starting to make a bit more sense to me. Now that I’ve read back I think I understand why El was meta-reading me as scum.

Daisy come and town-spew

Nah, maybe later if I'm feeling up to it

this isn't helping your case

I always do what El tells me to in the discord games when I’m town, so this probably pinged them cause of that. Tho I don’t think I’ve ever town spewed on command so wcyd. The rest of El’s play is pretty par for the course for what I expect of them. Also Death Note please don’t kill me for mentioning meta again lmao, I promise I’ll stop now <3

SoS/Luca/Zuko/Saudade/Ranny:
Not got anything to comment on these lot yet, null vibes.

NPOM:
I still really don’t like NPOM, but I’m starting to think it’s less “Oh I think they’re scum” and more of a kinda playstyle clash. The little comments of:

I've heard enough. Nice catch Elements.

VOTE: OopsieDaisy

You're not supposed to like it. Good OMGUS though.

Really reek of this just arrogance that I don’t mesh well with at all. But now that I’m aware of this I’m not sure if I’ll keep my vote on em just yet.

DeathNote:

You have been defending Oopsie more then she has defended herself. If she flips scum, I'm going to naturally assume you are a partner.

I don’t understand this comment? Datisi literally had their vote on me. Sure they had a discussion about how being defensive is NAI or smth but like idk I don’t vibe with this.

Bar this DeathNote has been decently active and has had good contributions for discussion but looking at their join date they should be experienced enough to be able to do that as scum, so for the sake of not keeping my vote on NPOM cause that wagon’s gonna go nowhere and I’m slowly figuring them out, I’ll park my vote here for now.

UNVOTE: NPOM
VOTE: DeathNote

[OopsieDaisy]

fairly certain 154 was aimed at salsa, and not me.

oopsie, is there a reason why you like... don't contribute at all until after someone starts looking at your direction?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm still feeling out how to play on forum and until someone points a finger at me and forces me to speak I don't really know what to say? Like it's not like anything that's happened in the last like 7 pages has made anymore worth pushing in my eyes.

And heck you're right, ig that makes my point moot.

UNVOTE: DeathNote

[OopsieDaisy]

*anyone, not anymore

[OopsieDaisy]

She's been reactive rather than proactive and I found her stance of 'elim me instead of the cops' a bit weird. I'm about to go offline so I'll review her again later.

How come? Is it not really important to keep PRs alive as long as possible to get info?

[OopsieDaisy]

Also note on Saudade who's joined:

I like them, they're sorta spamposty and not necessarily always on topic but that kinda leads me to believe they're not taking time to think about their posts too hard and they're just speaking from the mind, which is a p townie thing to do in my books.

[OopsieDaisy]

Oh ye lemme sheep this wagon real quick. The SoS one is just a pressure wagon and I ain't hopping on the cops.

VOTE: DeathNote

[OopsieDaisy]

what's wrong with pressure wagons

Nothing, just that I don't see the point in hopping on it when the point's already been made

[OopsieDaisy]

I feel comfortable blocking me ranny elements cook datisi and deathnote.

You feel comfy town blocking 6 people on Day 1?

[OopsieDaisy]

Daisy I want to leave alone for the moment, she becomes very easy to read late game

Ok I like El a lot more for this, if they were scum here I think they'd look to push me harder and look for an easy early elim based on a "meta" that only El & I know of each other.

[OopsieDaisy]

Deathnote havent posted anything of value since I voted him lmao someone hold me what do I do

*using my almightly strength, I take a hold of Dade with a vice grip*

P.S: Am I good to call you Dade?

[OopsieDaisy]

dont touch me

I apologise sir, I won't make the same mistake again

[OopsieDaisy]

Luca's fine ig, they've said things but I haven't really gotten any town vibes off em yet so they're still sat in the null read club.

[OopsieDaisy]

OopsieDaisy

:

Your vote on

DeathNote

on 395 was clearly a misunderstanding basis but I don't understand 715. If it's a pressure vote then it contradicts your 717, but if it's not a pressure vote, then what is the reason?

And I read you

Null/

Scum

for now.

My vote was useless sitting on nobody and I didn't really like the SoS wagon, it felt like a pressure wagon but the kind of safe pressure wagon where placing your vote on it doesn't put you at any risk at all, and wouldn't change anything about the state of the game. The DN wagon was only I think 1 or 2 people tall at that point? So I wanted to see what would happen if I gave it some weight, and as we've been able to see over the past few days there's been some nice discussion coming from this wagon existing rather than just inactive = bad.

What interests me is despite you only pointing out one town motivated post in my entire ISO, you still read me as a scummy null rather than committing to an actual scumread and/or voting me. Is there a reason why you're unwilling to commit?

[OopsieDaisy]

This game's super boring, y'all can fade me if you want.

I'm not actually a cop

im a motha fucking vigilante

Also wtf is going on here lmao

[OopsieDaisy]

What are your thoughts of the SoS wagon now?

I mean it makes a little more sense but it's still not achieving anything, I think SoS has said like one or two meaningful things since the wagon started so idk if the "pressure" is getting to them at all.

At the same time though, more pressure is useful and I've achieved what I wanted out of voting DN so I might as well join in.

UNVOTE: DeathNote
VOTE: SoS

[OopsieDaisy]

I think this is scum being pushed for lurking and hoping if they don't react to the pressure people will get bored and drop off

Idk votes can be p meaningful

[OopsieDaisy]

But yea bar that there's nothing

[OopsieDaisy]

Oh nice I got a pagetop

[OopsieDaisy]

Wait what's the deal with this Dade wagon? You peeps maybe wanna like, explain why you're voting em or smth cause right now I'm just seeing 3 naked votes and Salsa just going off their reasoning yesterday. Tho I suppose we can wait and see how Dade reacts when they get back.

[OopsieDaisy]

This isn't the right time

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

If you're so confident I'm scum you wanna vote me now rather than letting me marinate into an easy Day 3/4 wagon for yourself?

I'm starting to think El (and I suppose maybe DM's) hesitation to vote me is that they know I'm an easy wagon that they don't need to push right now cause they can do so once the player count is thinned out, and I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of that.

[OopsieDaisy]

Screams of scum prepping the game for themselves

[OopsieDaisy]

Actually wait I haven't voted anyone yet have I?

VOTE: Elements

[OopsieDaisy]

Also sorry if I'm being ratty I'm just a bit bleh today

[OopsieDaisy]

Ah heck I got a new PC on Saturday and kinda completely forgot about the game, gimme a sec to catch up

[OopsieDaisy]

But yea I don't think Dade is a good vote, I still like them this game and the fact no-one really wanted to explain their votes on em for a while read as, weird to me.

My scumread on El is starting to get a bit stronger based of associatives + their eagerness to try and get this day finished off of a flimsy wagon.

[OopsieDaisy]

flimsy wagon.

Elaborate

The one that started with 3 naked votes, that one.

[OopsieDaisy]

Right yeah I apologies for not being here on Day 3, I was in a discord mafia session, went to check the day cause I realised it had started and by the time I caught up the hammer had already swung.

It looks like I'm on the chopping block, which naturally sucks cause I'm town, but if in terms of net gain 2 scum in the past 2 days for me going out now ain't too bad of a trade.

I don't really know where my reads sit as there's been a lot happening, and the last read I went and pushed was a hard townread on a scumslot so I need to try and gather my thoughts. Initial thoughts lead me to think El's my most likely scumslot, but their eagerness to wagon on both town and scum has me scratching my head a bit.

[OopsieDaisy]

*apologise not apologies

[OopsieDaisy]

Also DeathNote/Ranny/NPOM seems like a decent townblock, at least for now, considering they were on both scum wagons