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[Elements]

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

VOTE: Daisy

[Elements]

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca, Shigaraki, Death}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

Updated to include all players, for some reason I thought this was an 11 player game.

[Elements]

ooo someone to talk too

[Elements]

Wow! What do you find in page 1 to think this pairs/reads?

It's entirely gut

[Elements]

Except NPOM, that read is solid

[Elements]

2 of the three that haven't spoken are null

[Elements]

What can I say
Noraa is just that townie

[Elements]

Revision 3

Town
{Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca, Shigaraki, Death, Sausage}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

[Elements]

It's based on the significant difference towards rvs compared to the game you modded

[Elements]

I'm seeing rvs is stupid don't do it from scum npom and a lol rvs what a dumb idea am I right? Here

[Elements]

do you really think that such a different approach to earlygame is necessarily because of a different colour role PM?

I play a lot more irl mafia and my best reads are often almost instantaneous day one reads. While very different there are definitely applications to early game in a forum settings. Especially if you've played with said party recently.

[Elements]

Daisy come and town-spew

[Elements]

Your gut feeling doesn't make any sense to me.

care to elaborate?

[Elements]

Daisy come and town-spew

Nah, maybe later if I'm feeling up to it

this isn't helping your case

[Elements]

That feels so fake Daisy

[Elements]

I'm sorry you rolled scum and we caught you page 1

[Elements]

I refute that I'm always wrong.
I was right when we played friends and enemies and enemies.
Town you is bubbly. This isn't you being bubbly.
This is a reeeeeeead.

[Elements]

And then you refuse to town-spew yet are still being active.

[Elements]

you can be bubbly in a forum

[Elements]

bubbly bubble
bubbly bubble bubbly

[Elements]

easy

[Elements]

[Elements]

What do you even mean by town-spew?

Daisy come and town-spew

Nah, maybe later if I'm feeling up to it

Bit contradictory but ok

[Elements]

Your gut feeling doesn't make any sense to me.

care to elaborate?

seems weird to me.

Weird in a "how did they get there" way or weird in a "they're pushing a narrative" way?

[Elements]

And then you refuse to town-spew yet are still being active.

What do you even mean by town-spew? Like

the only thing to talk about right now is your push on me

which isn't really indicative of anything. I think there's another peep on the wagon but typical forum behaviour is to start a big wagon to get people talking right?

i explicitly said i think you're scum. you don't think that's worthy of your time?

Not really, what makes it worthy of my time?

The fact that you said it's the only thing to talk about

[Elements]

"How you got there" way

are you scumming me for it? or is your vote more of a "i don't understand what going on here, so i'll vote and hope it goes away"?

[Elements]

the only reason you're voting me is cause you "think I'm scum" with like nothing else so there's not really anything to glean from that.

Have you tried asking why he thinks you're scum?

[Elements]

How many forum games have you played Daisy?

[Elements]

the only reason you're voting me is cause you "think I'm scum" with like nothing else so there's not really anything to glean from that.

Have you tried asking why he thinks you're scum?

That's not my responsibility?

Have I somehow missed you never asking people why they scumread you?

[Elements]

If they wanna say why they think I'm scum then they can do it lmao, why should I have to prod em for it?

So you can refute their points and show you're town

[Elements]

I actually can't understand you specially your conversation with

OopsieDaisy

.

That's fair. Daisy and I play mafia over discord weekly and as town she's chaotic and bubbly, whereas as scum she's much more serious and solvey.

[Elements]

I'm not interested in proving my innocence right now, I wanna hear what more people think about the interaction first

you wanna hear more what people think of the interaction first, but you're also not interested in asking about it at all?

No I wanna hear more people, not the same people.

More people aren't here.
Why not engage with the people who are?

[Elements]

Daisy, do you have a read on me yet?

[Elements]

hot take: getting defensive when scumread is nai, and even town-indicative with some players. the idea that the town shouldn't be defensive or survivalistic is completely illogical. town doesn't wanna hang either, they're not jesters.

I agree with this
But it's clearly a scum slip

[Elements]

deathnote's hatred of meta feels perfomative.

but I don't think it's nessecerily scum performative

[Elements]

Town
{Luca, Shigaraki}
{Datsi, Deathnote, npom}
{Rannygazoo, sos, sausage, zuko}
{Salsa, cook}
{Daisy}
Scum

[Elements]

I think that's where I'm at atm

[Elements]

I'm actively dreading it

[Elements]

It's still partly left over from the gut read, but nothing she's done has dissuaded my scum lean there.

[Elements]

sure I can vote cook
VOTE: cook
i think that's e-2?

[Elements]

ooo you scum read me! tell me more

[Elements]

ooo you scum read me! tell me more

Wagon inciting. Scum-lean versus a scumread.

well this is thoroughly disappointing.
UNVOTE:

[Elements]

If I had to guess, it's Cook, Son of a Shephard, and Elements, but least sure on the Elements one.

ooo, it's me again!
do you have a better reason than cook?

[Elements]

VOTE: SoS

[Elements]

Cook isn't scum, he wouldnt instantly cc cop and then retract it, it doesnt make sense from a scum position

This also isn't what cook has done

[Elements]

I think Elements comes out looking worse than Oopsie. The quick vote in 618 makes it seem like they were monitoring the thread or scum pt.

Yes, I monitor the thread. What of it?

[Elements]

what's wrong with pressure wagons

[Elements]

is that not the whole point?

[Elements]

if 3 people jump on and then everyone else is like "eh, there's pressure there now I don't have to vote" that stops there being any form of pressure. SoS isn't feeling any because no one else is going to vote him so he doesn't have to.
We have to keep the pressure on until something actually happen

[Elements]

Elements your posts annoy me

I am aware

[Elements]

My posts annoy a lot of people

[Elements]

I think the annoyance of my posts shout be town indicative tbh

Sausage, have you ever played with scum me?

[Elements]

I can see that

[Elements]

VOTE: NPOM

Let's do this.

The aura around him just off, not like vibes, he did not pass go

yea no lol
good joke

[Elements]

Datisi you around for a chat?

[Elements]

Is Luca town?

[Elements]

I thinking
Luca, npom, You, ranny
all pretty solid town reads atm

[Elements]

Daisy I want to leave alone for the moment, she becomes very easy to read late game

[Elements]

*later in the game

[Elements]

Experience?

[Elements]

correction: do you

have

experience and are you speaking from a position of authority on this matter?

I have a lot of ftf experience with Daisy which is where my stance on her comes from. No forum experience, but I think a lot of her mannerisms and the way she'll try and game solve will carry over.

[Elements]

pagetop race
go go go

[Elements]

huh, i wanted a page bottom

ftf = face to face

[Elements]

I thinking
Luca, npom, You, ranny
all pretty solid town reads atm

@Elements:

any likely pairs?

nope

[Elements]

ah

through video?

yea
over discord

[Elements]

can I persuade you to join in on the voting SoS?

[Elements]

you're right
I'm just lazy and checked the votecount on page 31

[Elements]

e-4?

[Elements]

*3

[Elements]

Daisy, what are your thoughts on Luca

[Elements]

Elements what are YOUR thoughts on death note

scummyer side of null

[Elements]

vibes

[Elements]

haven't looked into him yes

[Elements]

Datisi, come join us on SoS

[Elements]

Jester is not normal

[Elements]

Their gut reading on 36 was interesting but NAI for me now. But 31 pinged me slightly cause it was on page 2 and still doesn't make sense to me. Please explain to me the reason.

Deathnote is going to love this: meta.
It's not rlly meta. The last game I played npom was scum and I was saying he was from day 1 and he feels very different here. So either he's town, or his scum game has changed massively

Your vote on

Cook

(363) seemed like a pressure vote but your unvote him on 548 doesn't make sense to me. Can you explain this vote/unvote think on

Cook

?

Can't rlly remember, but I do like big wagons day one, and lots of them. I do a lot of wagon hopping and asking people to vote to try and get them to build up.

Your vote on

Son of a Shepard

was either a pressure vote or you were jumping around wagons. What town motivation you're founded from this?

See above. But also don't think the slot has done enough.

If I understand correctly, your 753 is an agreeing post with

NoPowerOverMe

's 752. If it's correct that what is the reason for your thought process here? You find

NoPowerOverMe

is a solid town and that's why you agreed with his point of view? Or you have your own reason?

I town read npom and both of those players are in my poe and I can see some of their interactions coming from both as scum.

Can you elaborate your townreads (787) on

Luca Blight

and

Rannygazoo

? Also, what are your current read on

DeathNote

and why?

Deathnote is null, still haven't looked into him. Luca and Datisi both read town to me. That's it rlly.

[Elements]

What are your thoughts of the SoS wagon now?

[Elements]

Scum going crazy

[Elements]

Ohhh how wonderful to be surrounded by my friends once again, yes?

Excuse my ignorance, what be a weeb my friends? And, more importantly, why must we flirt when we discuss said weebs?

Please, be patient my friends. Tomorrow is a brand new day, when all will be satisfied.
Until then, my wagon is just pressure, message loud and clear, now let’s just pivot to, at least in my opinion, a more juicy wagon.
My word that was a terrible sentence, my apologies.
VOTE: DeathNote

Why is your name DeathNote when your avatar is (I believe) from DBZ?

Please tell me what is meaningful out of this marvel of an iso

[Elements]

I think this is scum being pushed for lurking and hoping if they don't react to the pressure people will get bored and drop off

[Elements]

VOTE: SoS

This is E-2

[Elements]

you can do zuko and SoS in like 5 seconds they have 9? posts between them, most of which are not game relevent

[Elements]

intent to put sos at e-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRW0RM4V0k

[Elements]

No purple breakdown for the chosen one?
This group is wasting their vote on a VT.

Should have claimed cop

[Elements]

I had a dream where npom flipped mafia goon

[Elements]

I think he's being towny.

[Elements]

The read list gives me town vibes somehow despite just being a read list

[Elements]

VOTE: saudade

[Elements]

lets go team
we can elim sausage before he even gets to the thread

[Elements]

VOTE: datisi

[Elements]

elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

If I told you would I have not then have said a word?

[Elements]

elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

I currently have two reads I'm happy with:
NPOM town
Daisy scum

So I'm flowing my vote with what's happening to see if it'll help me figure anyone else out.
Your return to day 2 has me leaning on you town and your wagon expanded like a balloon.
So I'm listening to what your saying and moving my vote to Datisi. Not that that's explicitly what you said, I just felt that's the way the wind was blowing

[Elements]

This isn't the right time

[Elements]

geez where did all this sausage hate come from

[Elements]

I've sort of neglected this game for a bit, what have I missed?

[Elements]

I've sort of neglected this game for a bit, what have I missed?

[Elements]

I get you probably think I seem 'flat' compared to the previous game we were in, but this game in general has been really flat. I begin to feel apathetic when certain slots are not producing anything, as it makes getting a clear picture of the game impossible.

I'll do some iso dives and try and make things happen

[Elements]

I get you probably think I seem 'flat' compared to the previous game we were in, but this game in general has been really flat. I begin to feel apathetic when certain slots are not producing anything, as it makes getting a clear picture of the game impossible.

I'll do some iso dives and try and make things happen

I've changed my mind, this seems like effort

[Elements]

ima do a read list instead

[Elements]

I've changed my mind again

We don't yeet any of {NPOM, Salsa, ranny} today
My preferred yeets would be {Cook, Daisy, Luca, Deathnote, Datisi}
but I have the annoying feeling Daisy is going to flip town despite her being scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone has defended her?

I'd say I'm at a 7/10 unsureness level with this game as a whole. I don't have any particularly strong scum reads and my poe is too large

[Elements]

ooo, in that case I'd be in favour of a saudade elim over a Daisy one
VOTE: saudade

[Elements]

I'm getting the feeling I'm being more detrimental to the town than helpful

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

[Elements]

Btw, what does this

yeet

word mean? Elimination? Google shows me different meaning which is not associated with this.

yeet=elimination

[Elements]

I've changed my mind again

We don't yeet any of {NPOM, Salsa, ranny} today
My preferred yeets would be {Cook, Daisy, Luca, Deathnote, Datisi}
but I have the annoying feeling Daisy is going to flip town despite her being scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone has defended her?

I'd say I'm at a 7/10 unsureness level with this game as a whole. I don't have any particularly strong scum reads and my poe is too large

What do you think about

Deathnote

?

Scum!Deathnote -> town!daisy

[Elements]

town saudade -> town daisy, scum datisi, scum daathnote
scum saudade -> scum daisy, town datisi

[Elements]

idk what it implies for you

[Elements]

what's wrong with a sausage vote?

[Elements]

I still think she's probably scum, but the fact no one has rlly defended her at all or tried to interact with her to produce content makes me question that it could be scummy town rather than abandoned scum partner

[Elements]

I fucking hate every post elements have ever made in this game

this game or ever?

[Elements]

VOTE: saudade

[Elements]

I feel like all we've been doing today is waiting for a zuko replacement so we can then eliminate saudade

[Elements]

UNVOTE:
ugh

[Elements]

VOTE: saudade
e-1

[Elements]

im claiming cop btw.

is this serious or are you joining in the claim game?

[Elements]

interesting

[Elements]

im gonna assume it was a jest

[Elements]

you're the third cop claim this game

[Elements]

one is dead, one was "blocked"

[Elements]

now you've reminded us all, what was your result?

[Elements]

i rlly hope this is a legitimate 3 cop game and it's all mod wifom

[Elements]

VOTE: saudade
e-1

Why are you in such a rush to end the day?

it's stagnant

[Elements]

flimsy wagon.

Elaborate

[Elements]

flimsy wagon.

Elaborate

[Elements]

but why is it flimsy

[Elements]

npom, do what you were doing day 1 again. You were much less scummmy

[Elements]

VOTE: Daisy
anything to say for yourself?

[Elements]

@mods - can we get a clarification on that role? You putting n2 n3 must mean they can only use their action n2 and n3 right?

why do we need mad clarification here. what else could it possibly mean

[Elements]

*mod

[Elements]

npom are you still towning salsa?

[Elements]

if so why?

[Elements]

it's very tempting to hammer....

[Elements]

VOTE: firebringer

[Elements]

VOTE: daisy
DAISYYYYYYY!
come and defend yourself

[Elements]

Also DeathNote/Ranny/NPOM seems like a decent townblock, at least for now, considering they were on both scum wagons

Why does this apply to all three of them but not to me?
2 of them were also on the SoS wagon, so if that's your reasoning it doesn't work.

[Elements]

Luca, which two of us would you rather be in a final three with?
Us being me, npom, Ranny

[Elements]

also VT

[Elements]

What are your thoughts right now, Elements?

I've got a group project meeting in an hour I need to prepare for. After that I plan on doing some VCA

[Elements]

The problem I with npom is that day 1 he was very town. Lately however he's been saying things that don't logically make sense

[Elements]

NpOM can you scum case me

[Elements]

I lowered your odds based on me being wrong on oopsie.

This.

[Elements]

I don't get how you can go from 80% scum datisi to putting someone more scummy than them after a town flip when there's only 1 scum left

[Elements]

might

I'm also starting to wonder if this is you role fishing again

[Elements]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Zuko prove me wrong.

I can’t, but I feel like since we already spent a day paring down the useless slots, we should now focus on the associations we have.

I was feeling yesterday that DeathNote was trying to coach Cook. Their early responses today look planned together. So there’s a decent chance they’re part of the scum team. I think DeathNote is the better elim because I would still feel stupid about eliminating a cop at this stage.

question to the table: why was it so easy to wagon sos yesterday, but zuko never got past 2 votes, despite the slots feeling decently similar

Not enough votes to go around? The vibe I got from Zuko is that he was distracted but willing to try. When SoS posted 771, it became clear that he would never help town and had to go.

@Luca I’ve played two games with PlusJOYED (helped wagon him in the first) and in both of them, he just seemed lost. Like he was some issues to be work out and shouldn’t be playing mafia. I was dead when he was eliminated the second time around, but it was the right choice because he was never going to contribute and the slot was always going to be suspicious.

I don’t feel that way about Zuko’s slot, and I don’t really buy that SoS was a counter-wagon to Zuko, because it was there first. In fact, I’m going to take it nice and chill until Zuko is replaced.

these are condemning for ranny

[Elements]

your play now is reminding me of PIFiMDM

[Elements]

what does that even mean though

[Elements]

like seriously

[Elements]

how is not understanding a progression OMGUS
how is calling your day 1 rlly town OMGUS
and you still haven't scum cased me like I asked

[Elements]

I think Ranny is the last scum

[Elements]

I think it was Daisy being apathetic

[Elements]

I don't think anyone else sees you as mech cleared.

everyone except you sees it as such

[Elements]

A millar that's a cop enabler and the mafia know they're a cop enabler
He's not just a Miller

[Elements]

VOTE: elements

ok cool I'm the lim for today. let's just take that as red.
You are now in this hypothetical scenario where it is you, Luca, Ranny with one scum left. Who are you voting and why?

[Elements]

@Ranny
Imagine you are in a hypothetical scenario where it is you, Luca, Npom with one scum left. Who are you voting and why?

[Elements]

@Luca
Imagine are now in this hypothetical scenario where it is you, NPOM, Ranny with one scum left. Who are you voting and why?

[Elements]

Are you planning on killing Datisi?

I'm planning on being the elimination today

[Elements]

Luca as of now.

and why?

[Elements]

I think Datisi, Salsa, Shigaraki are Town. Town-leans on NPOM, DeathNote and Elements.

That leaves Cook, Saudade, Daisy, Zuko, Shephard and Rannygazoo.

Right now I'm only willing to eliminate in this pool of players:

Cook, Daisy, Zuko, Saudade, Sherphard

Out of this my biggest SR is Cook, by far. Daisy has basically claimed VT already so I wouldn't mind going there as a safer bet. The other three need to get moving. We still have 8 days so I'm willing to wait until they've had enough time to catch-up fully.

[Elements]

you think this comes from a scum buddy so early?
Plus Luca was one of the main people pushing for Zuko over SoS

[Elements]

This is pure ate.

it's not ate in the slightest

[Elements]

yes, that's exactly what I'm doing

[Elements]

we may as well have two days of elo right

[Elements]

can you not just answer the question

[Elements]

the elo one

[Elements]

i suppost you;ve already answered it with your readlist, I was more talking to NPOM

[Elements]

VOTE: NPOM

[Elements]

my angle here is, if I get to tomorrow I get yeeted over anyone so I should be taken out today. We can all agree on that and move on to what the final three will be.

[Elements]

VOTE: NPOM

Is this seriously who you think is scum or is this pressure?

I think it's NPOM

[Elements]

can you quote it for me npom

[Elements]

VOTE: Ranny
It's just Ranny then

[Elements]

if that is a clear

[Elements]

and when it's not me
it's ranny

[Elements]

Son of a Shepard(3)

- Rannygazoo, NoPowerOverMe, Elements

DeathNote(3)

- Cook, Saudade, OopsieDaisy

Prince Zuko(2)

- Luca Blight, Datisi

Cook(1)

- Shigaraki

OopsieDaisy(1)

- DeathNote

Shigaraki(1)

- Salsabil Faria

Not Voting (2)

- Prince Zuko, Son of a Shepard

I said at the time that the DeathNote wagon was being pushed by scum, and I was right about that. With me and Datisi pushing the Zuko elim, it makes sense for there to be one scum on both of the other two wagons. Zuko was not defending himself so his scum buddies were having to do that for him indirectly.

this

[Elements]

we don't have to discuss me anymore, I'm the elim for the day
you can stop brining me up NPOM

[Elements]

yo datisi, we be waiting for you

[Elements]

npom confuses me

[Elements]

DeathNote is known town and he trusted me over Luca. You should do the same.

Just because you're more likely to be town than someone doesn't mean your more right than them.

[Elements]

Also if Elements flips green then it's game over, as NPOM votes me over Ranny in ELO.

This is why I'm no longer pushing for my elim.

[Elements]

elements what is your read on npom at this moment in time

unbelievably misguided town - based pretty much entirely on Deathnote
If we vote Ranny and he flips green my expectation is you die, npom immediately votes me tomorrow and that will either confirm Luca as town or win him the game

[Elements]

elements what is your read on npom at this moment in time

the only reason I'm not voting him is because of Deathnote

[Elements]

scummy scum scum scum

[Elements]

my only reservations are the towniness from day 1

[Elements]

if you're reading by play, how does npom look like rn

I don;t see town being this obtuse and unhelpful

[Elements]

im gonna iso deathnote

[Elements]

NPOM/Datisi are the only two I don't see me ever voting. Elements is a hard push too but not impossible.

This is probably tracked me night 1 yes?

[Elements]

i thought he tracked either me or daisy on n1

bc first thing he said on day 2 is "we shouldn't be clearing datisi" - i actually thought he was a neap with a non-vt check on me

and he was like "oopsie is a bad vote today" or smt

that would make sense is you or deathnote were jailkept too

[Elements]

And elements asking what we are going to do in ELO in order to try and make Luca feel threatened is scummy as hell.

no it's not
the only reason I'm no longer pushing my elimination is because you're going to vote Luca over Ranny and lose the game. which is something I've already said

[Elements]

I don’t see the benefit of ending the day before Zuko and Saudade catch up.

[Elements]

is this 100 words total or 100 words per bullet point

[Elements]

- When I did my first read list I forgot multiple people were in the game including Saudade
- As scum I don't go so hard on Daisy with the knowledge she's town for a couple of reasons; 1) It looks rlly bad for me when she flips 2) she is a liability in elo and I can use my meta on her to influence others reads to keep her around
- I was fully prepared to lim sausage before the zuko slot was replaced
- my willingness to be the lim today so we could have a 2 day elo

[Elements]

so what role are you claiming

[Elements]

I've voted two scum players and DN probably tracked me to an alive player.

if you're vt then wtf is this

[Elements]

does anyone else think npom is spouting random garbage?

[Elements]

If I've been ateing it hasn't been ono purpose

[Elements]

I thinking
Luca, npom, You [datisi], ranny
all pretty solid town reads atm

good fucking post elements

[Elements]

I thinking
Luca, npom, You [datisi], ranny
all pretty solid town reads atm

good fucking post elements

tbf, there are 3 town in that set

[Elements]

I fucking hate every post elements have ever made in this game

this game or ever?

This seems like a town!Elements case.

Imagine for a second that this is real, both in the game thread and the scum pt. Doesn’t this explain why Saudade was content to leave when he did?

So your scum case on me involves:
"Saudade was fine leaving the game"
"Saudade didn't enjoy elements' posting"
"This would be exaggerated if they were in a pt"
"Ergo Elements scum"

[Elements]

Sure, is there a problem with that?

My case on you involves how little resistance there was on Saudade and FB’s wagons. I mean, both elims felt like they didn’t really have to happen when they did. It matches your involvement at the time.

lets go team
we can elim sausage before he even gets to the thread

geez where did all this sausage hate come from

I've sort of neglected this game for a bit, what have I missed?

I think this progression is telling.

Aside from that, you’ve been hard to read because you didn’t do much except feud with Daisy.

I think asking everyone to wait for the low activity scum to catch up is more damming than this.

[Elements]

Why is El making a big deal out of me wanting Zuko to post or be replaced before acting on that slot, when this post exists?]

I was talking about this

I don’t see the benefit of ending the day before Zuko and Saudade catch up.

[Elements]

except that they're over 900 posts apart. but yes, in both of them you are asking for time for your scum buddies to catch up