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Wow this is saudade 2.0.

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VOTE: Datisi

Not saying Oopsie can't but scum, but, yeah...

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The way Saudade and Firebringer tried to bring me down, and the way Datisi tried to do the same thing.

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everyone should be voting npom

the pleasure ill get when the wagon will flip from me to him will be immense

I think death note and NPOM are the mafia right now. I know im just gonna hear omgus from everyone about that, but they are the only ones interacting with me in way that screams scum. I think datisi is very townie. I think elements is very likely town just from actions but also looking back at NPOM.

somewhere in the day 2, you decided no, saudade is 100% scum (where?) and, *before* saudade flipped, you started preflip-associating me with him, which undermined any townread you had on me, despite me being your top townread on day 1.

fucking bullshit.

VOTE: npom

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town, since there are probably three scum.

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I am 80% on scum!Datisi so I will not be changing my vote today most likely.

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Oopsie talking about townblocks sounds extremely suspicious, I must say.

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Wisdom of the crowd, don't see a claim making a difference.

VOTE: Daisy

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I'm vanilla townie. I was on both scum wagons and I believe you were off both.

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60% last scum is datisi
30% elements
10% someone else.

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Of course not.

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I'm willing to eliminate elements based on deathnote but he could be wrong. Outside chance of ranny but I doubt it.

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Well if it's not you and not me it's someone else.

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Could be luca I suppose but he's been pretty town.

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Elements is scummier than ranny or luca imho.

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I'm a reasonable person. Death could have had a result that would have cleared you.

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Elements was pushing cook death and oopsie at different points.

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I didn't check for crumbs.

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I lowered your odds based on me being wrong on oopsie.

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That was before you pointed out deaths statement.

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So...I'm scum because I'm more sure on my reads? You haven't read my last few games obviously.

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I've had a good scumhunting record in recent games. When you hit scum you gain confidence.

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If Deathnote was being literal, why didn't he just claim?

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I'm just not sure how a tracker could in any way 100% clear Datisi.

Make it less probable sure, but not 100% clear.

If DeathNote tracked Datisi to a house other than the dead towns, then that just means he's not the killer, he could skill be a non-killing scum.

If DeathNote tracked another player to the dead towns house, I'm pretty confident he would have claimed that.

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That's possible but there's only one night that could have happened.

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Maybe Luca? You (Ranny) could potentially be scum as well. I like your detailed explanation of Daisy but you hop off FB for a moment due to the claim maybe expecting others to do the same since that's what happened with Cook and when the pressure stays, you get annoyed and return your vote asking for a hammer. I do think you are town but scum could do a similar move with their backs against the wall here.

Luca had a good presence during the shig vote but has since dropped in town status for me.

NPOM/Datisi are the only two I don't see me ever voting. Elements is a hard push too but not impossible.

Confused why DN would track Datisi here.

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You would think plowing through facts is smart, not boneheaded.

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I was feeling yesterday that DeathNote was trying to coach Cook. Their early responses today look planned together. So there’s a decent chance they’re part of the scum team. I think DeathNote is the better elim because I would still feel stupid about eliminating a cop at this stage.

I don't know that scum!ranny knowingly pairs two town in the same sentence here.

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I'm afraid that if we fall on the DN-Clears-Datisi sword it could win the game for scum if he was wrong.

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I know that game reviewers favor town on this site so setup spec can be dangerous.

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The latter, I believe.

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Millers should claim on their first post.

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I'm suspicious of Datisi but DeathNote may clear him so I'm not willing to elim there.

Ranny seems to have a town mindset.

Luca also seems to be very engaged and asking the right questions, but also a good player so I could see him being scum without more evidence.

Elements is the player that seems the most obviously scummy.

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Elements 50% chance
Luca Blight 25% chance
Datisi 15% chance
Rannygazoo 10% chance

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What doesn't make sense?

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It's called working off of what is happening in front of you.

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I think you are being OMGUSy.

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I'm working right now I don't have the time.

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You seem more interested in attacking your attacker than finding scum.

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I would guess it would apply to both.

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Daisy was definately LHF, and you also scumread other town players. Also, firebringers townread of you looks bad.

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I don't think anyone else sees you as mech cleared.

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We don't know that dn tracked you for sure.

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No one's pushing you. We just can't clear you.

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I want a picture of this.

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lol.

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If either ranny or luca think datisi is 100% cleared I invite them to say so.

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I think less because of no day 1 Miller claim and no outright claim by dn.

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I'm not sure why the hoopla over if datisi is 5% or 15% cleared.

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VOTE: elements

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I'm not voting for the smoking gun, I just think the game is solved.

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Luca as of now.

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Are you planning on killing Datisi?

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I'm pretty sure elements is trying to turn town against each other. Clever, but it won't work.

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This is pure ate.

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Luca as of now.

and why?

Ranny has been more recklessly town than Luca.

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Are you trying to influence elo from the grave? Why not just cut to the chase?

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We are not eliming Luca.

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I would self vote before eliming Luca.

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Go ahead and vote.

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Either we win or we will have a fun ELO.

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He crumbed me.

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NPOM/Datisi are the only two I don't see me ever voting. Elements is a hard push too but not impossible.

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It's not Ranny, it's you.

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Elements is definately acting like caught scum.

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It's pretty obvious he tracked me n2 and you n3.

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My track may not be a 100% clear because there would have been a 2nd mafia alive at the time.

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Pretty cruel of the mafia to nightkill someone who had a power outage.

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My pov should be self evident I shouldn't have to explain it. What do you think I meant?

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Yeah, so think to yourself what's the difference between those two statements.

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I'm not being cryptic about anything, and I'm wanting Datisi to answer.

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Today, we are eliming Elements
Tomorrow, if the game isn't over(which it should be) we are eliming Luca.

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I'm pretty sure I don't like Luca's vote of Ranny over Elements.

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I'm stating my current preference.

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Ranny has a more pro town voting record and didn't openly push town as much as Elements.

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I was feeling yesterday that DeathNote was trying to coach Cook. Their early responses today look planned together. So there’s a decent chance they’re part of the scum team. I think DeathNote is the better elim because I would still feel stupid about eliminating a cop at this stage.

I don't know that scum!ranny knowingly pairs two town in the same sentence here.

Like I said this doesn't seem like an informed post.

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Yeah you've also thought I was scum for a good portion of the game which was wrong.

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DeathNote is known town and he trusted me over Luca. You should do the same.

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This is basically ELO because nothing is going to change D6.

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DeathNote is known town and he trusted me over Luca. You should do the same.

Just because you're more likely to be town than someone doesn't mean your more right than them.

Oh wait, you suddently have something to say because Luca is giving you towncred?

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Yeah there's no self interested behavior there.

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elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

I currently have two reads I'm happy with:
NPOM town
Daisy scum

This is ironic.

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And elements asking what we are going to do in ELO in order to try and make Luca feel threatened is scummy as hell.

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My towncase is well documented.

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I've voted two scum players and DN probably tracked me to an alive player.

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Ok Datisi you are making no sense.

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I've already claimed VT.

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Or rather he tracked me and I didn't kill anyone.

Sorry, it's 8 in the morning here.

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yeah, town slipped.

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Maybe not, but 1+1=2.

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Because DN is the best lead that we have right now, even though I'm tired and mispoke.

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I'm not saying it is.

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UNVOTE:

I'm second guessing myself now.

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If anything Ranny is pocketing me, I'm not pocketing Ranny.

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If you say so. My whole point was that I wanted to elim Elements today and you tomorrow based on my townread of Ranny and Datisi as the probable night kill.

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I only have one scum game.

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I probably need to build a wiki page.

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Ranny's lack of gamesolving right now worries me.

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I still feel Elements is using a lot of AtE and has been pushing the wrong people the whole game.

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I fucking hate every post elements have ever made in this game

this game or ever?

This seems like a town!Elements case.

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Don't go!:(

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Luca's vote made this game a lot more confusing.

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I don't know that saudade has the emotional intelligence for distancing.

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I was hoping this wouldn't fall all on one person but it's looking like Datisi may end up being kingmaker here.

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Luca twice states he's throwing his hands up to Datisi.

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Saud/El helps El and the Luca vote hurts Luca but is enough to push El up the ladder?

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Finished Phase 1 of my wiki.

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I think he's acting weird, I am going to meta.

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[Quote=Luca Blight]Tchill, you can’t afford Gobble to be lynched because the game would be up. That’s probably why you asked A50 to replace out as he wasn’t game enough and was heading towards a Lynch.

Anyway this is pointless. I know you’re scum, you know I’m Town. It’s up for Klick to decide.[/quote]

Mini Normal 2095, he was town in this game.

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My instinct says scum!Elements.

If I swerve from that it will be against gut.

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huh?

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I'm not towning myself, do your own work.

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nm I misunderstood.

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Yeah I need to work on that.

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I'm inclined to think sos and Shig are scum buddies.

Why? There are people trying to pivot away from the SOS wagon for no good reason but Shiggy isn’t the first one that comes to mind.

im masons with SoS and Prince Zuko.

Ok now this is obvious BS. I don’t get why you’re protecting the inactives.

He’s already said that he’s death tunneling Cook. He’ll say anything to keep votes on Cook and off anyone else. Just disregard him for the rest of the day.

good post

This is somewhat damning.

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scum theater?

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Elements still has the scummier voting/attacking history.

Ranny has the scummier possible players in the dead thread.

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Saudade didn't make Ranny look good.

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Elements still has the scummier voting/attacking history.

i don't get this argument when all three of you have been on like, the exact same wagons every day

This is not true at all, especially Day 1 and 2.

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Town
{Luca, Shigaraki}
{Datsi, Deathnote, npom}
{Rannygazoo, sos, sausage, zuko}
{Salsa, cook}
{Daisy}
Scum

sure I can vote cook
VOTE: cook
i think that's e-2?

VOTE: SoS

VOTE: datisi

elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

I currently have two reads I'm happy with:
NPOM town
Daisy scum

So I'm flowing my vote with what's happening to see if it'll help me figure anyone else out.
Your return to day 2 has me leaning on you town and your wagon expanded like a balloon.
So I'm listening to what your saying and moving my vote to Datisi. Not that that's explicitly what you said, I just felt that's the way the wind was blowing

I've changed my mind again

We don't yeet any of {NPOM, Salsa, ranny} today
My preferred yeets would be {Cook, Daisy, Luca, Deathnote, Datisi}
but I have the annoying feeling Daisy is going to flip town despite her being scummy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone has defended her?

I'd say I'm at a 7/10 unsureness level with this game as a whole. I don't have any particularly strong scum reads and my poe is too large

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It doesn't prove anything, I just think ranny has played a more pro town game at this point.

If ranny is scum, it is based on how other players acted, not on his play per se imho.

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Yes, because he was more likely to attack town and defend scum, imho.

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I understand your point. But I still think ranny is more pro town than elements.

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I probably shouldnt've signed up for this game I don't feel nearly as interested in this as I usually am

I think this post pinged me.

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Ranny-must-be-scum-because-its-easy-to-act-town-as-scum isn't exactly a great argument for scum!ranny.

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I'll work on it but my wiki button should work.

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Ah ok.

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Hey Datisi, what do you think are your weaknesses as a mafia player?

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Hey Datisi, what do you think are your weaknesses as a mafia player?

i don't know how to play mafia

Somehow I don't think this is an honest assesment.

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I mean I am self aware enough to say my biggest weaknesses are attention to detail and logical analysis.

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Because I think you are good at looking confident but your win loss record doesn't seem to back that up.

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And your hydra record seems to suggest a weakness might be working with others.

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I'm saying you need to listen to other players rather than rely solely on yourself if you want to win this game.

Luca put you in a bad position but it's not all on you.

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At this point I’m willing to stake the game on NPOM being town, because it would be easy for him to hammer me and then miselim El for the win.

Same goes for Datisi, of course.

This is something scum!ranny could say of course.

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You're threatened by others questioning you rather than seeing it as a overall plus, it seems like in my opinion.

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Because you need to be introspective if you actually want to catch scum. Very likely the game could be decided right here. I don't want it to be just on you so I am trying to do what I can to help you.

I frankly think the scum!ranny argument is fairly weak. I think you don't be responsible for a town loss so you are deferring to Luca and I think Luca is deferring to you which I think is a path to disaster for town.

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Because I'm trying to have an open mind, but scum!ele is still the stronger possibility.

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If you eliminate ranny then it's me luca and elements in elo and you don't want that.

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Or me for that matter. Elements and luca in elo is a disaster.

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If you read great idea mafia you'll see I don't rush to judgement in elo.

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Datisi if you make this me and ranny vs you and luca you are effectively making elements kingmaker.

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Yeah let's look at one post over a whole day of posts.

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I'm flabbergasted that flipped town stated they would never vote me yet Datisi still prefers Luca.

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Yeah well Datisi has been wrong many times.

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She's right that luca is town but wrong about ranny being scum.

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He's sorry

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So lets elim elements without datisi.

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Who wouldn't be?

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I still think the ranny post where he scumreads two town players is town indicative.

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Ranny seems like a decent player. Why would such a play be beyond him as scum? I don't get it.

It just seems the way the post was constructed did not seem to come from scum.

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I still think the ranny post where he scumreads two town players is town indicative.

And this is why I'm never voting Elements today. I don't trust you to make the right call in ELO between me and Ranny if Elements flips green.

I would if you made a solid argument and didn't expect me to rely on Datisis pocket of you.

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And you're Ranny vote did not look town at all.

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Because it sounded like you didn't really think Ranny was scummy, you just wanted to make sure Datisi had the deciding vote.

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I don't think it's town at all to defer an elimination to a conftown. You should be conftown to yourself.

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Even if you've done it as town it's still scummy.

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Well, maybe I was wrong.

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Although elements posting fast night before the flip leads me to believe he is scum.

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In fact I'm going out on a limb and saying that's a scumslip. Town would assume the game is over especially since he voted ranny.

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Usually scum self hammer.

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We'll see soon enough.