Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~

[Dannflor]

hey

I've read nothing yet but will try to do so tonight

an extension would be great??

[Dannflor]

I need momrangal to tell me about her reads. I'm isoing slots today, and hers is messy. She posted a reads-list, but she's voted for people on the town reads side of that list. She has also voted a lot of slots, and the impression I'm getting is 'any lynch,' bar two or three people.

Why did you choose momrangal to ISO today out of all the slots?

Are you already reading the slot in any particular way

You’re one of my like, dead null reads so far so if you have any particularly strong stances / opinions about the game I’d love to hear it

[Dannflor]

I’ve read like half way through the game, phone posting some of my thoughts now:

Ari strikes me as town. His first post that everyone jumped on him for strikes me as just classic nice Ari style and not super alignment indicative either way. He’s an easy player for scum to jump on early because honestly he does come off as scummy a lot (I had this same experience in Your Nightmare and miselimmed him) but I think his reaction to the wagon was good, he showed a desire to sort the motivations of people going after him instead of straight defense (I can quote specific posts when I get home from work)

Infinity is also an early town reading for the mind meld on Ari, or at least being earth and cautious about approaching his slot based on a surface level scummy post. I also like his push on Murdercat, not necessarily because I’m reading MC as scum but because of how genuine the push seems. I like how honest he is about it being pure gut and that giving him a lot of success before. I feel he’d be a bit more pressured as scum to add additional reasons to his push but the transparency makes his push read as a real read.

Titus there was an early post that pinged me as scum but then that read reversed and I’m leaning town now? Putting this here as a reminder so I can quote the posts later.

MC I’m mixed on

The gamma emerald slot is my main scum read so far but the slot seems to not be here so probably a bad wagon

I’ll try to catch up fully and form some reads on the other slots on my lunch break in a few hours

[Dannflor]

Here we are again, with Infinity wagon being difficult to maintain DESPITE the fact that more than one person expressed a desire to eliminate him.

Not keen on JV while he's being replaced

That I remember, there was 2 of us and this one screams of oppotuneism..

VOTE: Infinity
I'm sensing a shift in the balance of power.

VOTE: Aristo-faynes

I like Haschel, they make me feel bad about myself

Ari is town. I'm 77% sure of it.

And honestly I'd rather yeet here.

Flea why isn’t this post accompanied with a vote

[Dannflor]

Like I get deadline is a thing

But why are you waiting to see who else will bite

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Flea

[Dannflor]

Re: momrangal,

From what I’ve read, being “out for blood” in a game that’s fairly low content might just be net town?

It’s part of what I liked about infinity’s push on mc

[Dannflor]

Uh toogeloo is asking mom to engage them, not saying they want to eliminate somewhere

[Dannflor]

Here we are again, with Infinity wagon being difficult to maintain DESPITE the fact that more than one person expressed a desire to eliminate him.

Not keen on JV while he's being replaced

That I remember, there was 2 of us and this one screams of oppotuneism..

VOTE: Infinity
I'm sensing a shift in the balance of power.

VOTE: Aristo-faynes

I like Haschel, they make me feel bad about myself

Ari is town. I'm 77% sure of it.

And honestly I'd rather yeet here.

Flea why isn’t this post accompanied with a vote

Because we both know "ewwww vanity wagon!" will be called.

It’s only a vanity wagon if you don’t try to genuinely push it or get other people to vote with you

Like if you just want to sit on the pre established wagons because it’s easier then there was 0 reason to wait for my replacement

[Dannflor]

Right now, I'm good with a Flea or mom lim (though I might be the only one interested in the latter), and against an Ari or Infinity lim. Probably wouldn't lim Haschal either, though I don't think anyone cares about Italiano's lim anymore.

aint engaging me though. and your vote after that post aint the prettiest.

Figured it’s a better place to put it than nowhere

Why do you want to elim there?

[Dannflor]

I would urge you to just vote and make a small case why because with the deadline extension we can afford to not settle if that makes sense

Maybe not the most persuasive argument from the leading wagon but like

Don’t hide behind the deadline and then go oopsie what can I do

[Dannflor]

Also uh

Toogeloo is voting you?

[Dannflor]

I’m now jackson Virgo I think

[Dannflor]

Would be awk if I was gamma considering I’ve been scum reading that slot

[Dannflor]

Specifically didn’t like how they approached the Ari wagon

There were a few posts specifically that pinged me I can pull up when I’m home

Kinda moot tho because I have no interest in running up a vla slot

[Dannflor]

Whoa walk me through the infinity scum read?

[Dannflor]

I think you’ll find im quite trigger happy with my vote in general Flea

[Dannflor]

MC I’m mixed on

Scum is more likely to either null read me or town lock me with little reasoning I've found

Well you’re definitely not null

[Dannflor]

I’ll be home in a few hours and finish my catch up then

Feeling less completely urgent now that we have at least a little breathing room re: extension

[Dannflor]

Wasn’t my wagon leading not a couple pages ago

Why those two specifically?

[Dannflor]

Um my power just went out

Catch-up may be delayed

[Dannflor]

where do you want to go instead

[Dannflor]

VOTE: toogeloo

[Dannflor]

I like mom too

[Dannflor]

as a town read not as a wagon

[Dannflor]

[4] Flea The Magician: Aristophanes, Toogeloo, Dannflor, Titus
[4] Aristophanes: MURDERCAT, Haschel Cedricson, JohnnyFarrar, Momrangal
[2] Dannflor: Infinity 324, Flea the Magician
[1] Infinity 324: In the beginning
[1] Not Voting: Salsabil Faria

I'm questioning both the leading wagons right now.

I'm thinking and looking at stuff...

I feel like a lot of lurkers here just watching this unfold.

You think they are both town?

There's two things going through my head.

Either mom is protecting Flea, and they're both scum, or both wagons are being diverted from someone else, possibly Dann or Infinity.

I really don't like how Titus voted Flea and then mom voted Ari though, which is why I'm leaning more on the former. Titus and Mom are almost assuredly not group scum together based on those votes and the timing.

My main concern here though is for as dynamic as this vote seems to be, the game is very quiet. Something about it all is off putting.

mannnn this sequence just feels like a way for scum to wash their hands of either wagon

too much wagon dynamics analysis not enough focus on their individual reads of the slots

I don't understand the conclusion that Titus and Mom are assuredly not scum together

[Dannflor]

VOTE: flea I like this better than ari ig

it's not really just between these two

why are you being so lazy

[Dannflor]

if you scum read me you should just like

say that

[Dannflor]

that was to toogeloo

Infinity why do you scum read me?

[Dannflor]

Yikes

I mean nice

but yikes

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Infinity

[Dannflor]

VOTE: toogeloo

[Dannflor]

I think Dann is my #1 scum read at this point, with the remaining scum member in the leftovers.

I think Dann is my #1 scum read at this point, with the remaining scum member in the leftovers.

[Dannflor]

I really don't think you have to worry about another deadline scramble when the deadline is like 6 days away, just vote me

[Dannflor]

I'm leaning town on Toog fwiw.

why?

[Dannflor]

Where do you see a lack of agenda?

The reason I'm scum reading them is because they seem like they have the agenda, both yesterday in how they suddenly turned their attention to me and avoided both of the leading wagons, and today when they are literally openly voting with town reads instead of their own scum reads because it like... suits them better... or something?

[Dannflor]

openly voting with town reads instead of their own scum reads

How is this having an agenda? FYPOV you are town so what motivation is there for Toog to not vote you?

it saves me as a push later and plays to be in the favor of other slots rather than genuinely pushing what they think is correct in the game

I don't buy their deadline excuse because *gestures at deadline*

it's like the definition of political play

That's not always scum, there are a lot of political town players, but like, I don't see why he feels the need to play this way

[Dannflor]

tbf I was town reading ari too and it wasn't because of any crumbed inno lol

[Dannflor]

it like... suits them better... or something?

Is the "or something" doubting the scum motivation for toog to play like this, or doubting the town motivation?

town motivation

I don't understand the town motivation for not wanting to push their top scum read

[Dannflor]

sorry who is the gunsmith

I see the backup gunsmith in the mod iso but

I may have forgotten to read like 10 pages

[Dannflor]

oh wait it's ITB nvm

[Dannflor]

Also I'm just going to put this out there because I was thinking about it earlier, this is a gypyx game so don't 100% trust an unCC'd gunsmith claim.

is that normal-certified?

I thought that type of alignment fuckery wasn't

[Dannflor]

oh I see

[Dannflor]

nvm

I thought a backup for a role of opposite alignment wouldn't function

but it appears I am wrong

[Dannflor]

hi sorry it's finals week but making time for this game today

although it seems nothing is happening

[Dannflor]

has infinity claimed or no

[Dannflor]

I think I'd rather [not infinity] here but will reread today and confirm that

has anyone like, cased infinity, or does everyone have difference reasons for voting

[Dannflor]

okay so was I

so was Toogeloo briefly I think

I'm sure there were other slots who had him as town? high or not

I feel like there should be more than that to a case especially considering Ari tends to be a fairly good bus candidate due to his high miselim rate

[Dannflor]

I don't think Infinity needs to be elimmed really

I had like a brief moment of paranoia over the night but like I think occam's razor is that she is just town

Titus I agree as town Murdercat is probably my strongest uh oh paranoia read but I have to be trying a lot harder in this game to ever catch him so I'm not gonna bother

which leaves [toog, johnny, salsabil]

johnny is probably the towniest out of these three? Nothing from salsabil has been towny and I still really don't think Gamma was town posting.

can people who are town reading Toogeloo go over why exactly?

[Dannflor]

Am I next up to claim?

[Dannflor]

yes okay gotcha

I apologize for my inactivity and it's NAI but of course I will say that

I'm a VT

[Dannflor]

wp toog

sorry for leaving you high and dry there