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I don't think anyone said it together I guess. People have variously mentioned either person. Ico, less...that's more coming from me.In post 1871, Datisi wrote:
who are you agreeing *with* here? or who said that ratherIn post 1870, VP Baltar wrote:In other news, I'm starting to agree that one of Ico and Luca are scum, with a lean toward Ico.
I just think both of their postings in this last series have been strange.YOUR AD HERE
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Who was the vig exactly?In post 1900, innocentvillager wrote:really bizarre vigilante shotYOUR AD HERE
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I wouldn't say she was cleared entirely by the dueling wagons, but I'm not interested in yeeting her today.In post 1905, innocentvillager wrote:do you still want to kill Anya, vpb?YOUR AD HERE
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How many scum you think in that pool?In post 1907, innocentvillager wrote:i mean we can probably win this on dayplay right? there's gotta be scum in {Ico, NM, maybe Luca} right?YOUR AD HERE
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Two with a maybe? Wow.In post 1913, innocentvillager wrote:i mean ideally 2?YOUR AD HERE
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I think this is definitely winnable through day play. I'll do some Datisi rereading tomorrow probs. Mostly I think Ico wanted that kill though.
If you ISO Ico, you will also see some waffling around picking Anya vs George. No real hard push for either and then finally tips over onto George when it looks likely to happen.YOUR AD HERE
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This is not a terrible guess.In post 1921, Luca Blight wrote:George, Icon, gypyx would be my guess for the team rnYOUR AD HERE
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In post 1740, Iconeum wrote:
fun factIn post 1738, Wooper wrote:fun side note, ico is still voting anya
anya can still take the yeet
There are exactly zero George or Anya posts between these two posts from Ico.In post 1748, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: GB
anya's recent posting is someting she can hopefully keep up
GB is just blatantly stalling at this point, doing jack shit. If this is town, then it's not a bad yeet anyway
If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc
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This basically.In post 1995, Luca Blight wrote:So far all Icon has done today is say why he's not scum
I'd like to see some actual reads/thoughts soon
Also, NM being vig makes sense because I would have shot NM given the chance. Luv u, boo <3YOUR AD HERE
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why wooper over your top scum read of Luca?In post 1997, Not_Mafia wrote:
YeahIn post 1991, AliceK wrote:@N_M Can you confirm who you shot? (I am 99% sure it was Wooper, but confirm pls)
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Did you go back over wooper after the George flip?In post 1999, Not_Mafia wrote:They were both scumreadsYOUR AD HERE
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Sigh.In post 2006, Not_Mafia wrote:LucaYOUR AD HERE
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I don't get the sense you reevaluated your reads at all after the flip, and that bad shot erased our D1 gains.
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While I agree you griped about the Anya wagon, I think you are giving yourself too much credit on George happening. You were not voting either and were somewhat actively trying to get a policy on NM, weren't you?In post 2016, innocentvillager wrote:
i mean you can (at least partially) thank me for thatIn post 1986, geraintm wrote:1st, im goign to have to stop this "scum never get eliminated day 1" thing
we were going to kill anya then i started yelling about how about something felt off and tbh partly using your logic of "town is just going apathy kill anya today", then people started going over to george
literally im only ever scum if you think im exactly scum with Anya and diverted over to my other scumbuddy georgeYOUR AD HERE
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I expressly said I could still see him flipping scum based on his reaction...so no I did not find him townie post hammer that I recall.In post 2019, innocentvillager wrote:datisi and vpb also both thought George's rxn was towny
Datisi pushed back when I said that, and I sort of took his word that he knew better than me.YOUR AD HERE
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I need to reread, but I feel like you are overstating your importance to the George yeet happening yesterday. Not saying you didn't have an effect, but I don't think you were a primary driver or anything.In post 2020, innocentvillager wrote:
like i said im better at the defense part. there are people who are better at the offense part. The offense wouldn't have happened without the defense. i did end up voting george after i was pushed by you to pick Anya or George.In post 2018, VP Baltar wrote:While I agree you griped about the Anya wagon, I think you are giving yourself too much credit on George happening. You were not voting either and were somewhat actively trying to get a policy on NM, weren't you?YOUR AD HERE
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Looking forward to this content imminently btwIn post 1949, Gypyx wrote:hey sup, lemme get a seat and all, but motivation to play kinda came back so i should bring more contentYOUR AD HERE
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Can I get a full reads list from you gypyx with bullet point reasons for each person ?In post 2039, Gypyx wrote:may i interest you in a giraffe wagon anime gril ?
between other stuff, because of this recently (yeah i had the second half of this post written before)
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this feels like the most "scum banking on a dead town's wrong reads" nglIn post 1906, innocentvillager wrote:we should also probably sheep Datisi btw bc he died.
@Datisi please channel your reads energy through to the main thread, maybe we'll be able to pick up on something.
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Going to give my full take on the game because I think things have actually sorted somewhat clearly at this point already.
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Not_Mafia- hearing no counter to his vig shot, seems to be town. (There's no way a normal would put an extra killing scum's hands for a night would it?)
Geraintm- his informed role about a strongman seems legit considering town had a roleblocker. He's either gutsy af scum, or just plain town.
Norwegian- His push on George D1 seems pretty legit to me after I reviewed it. Could have been a preplanned bus, but I didn't get that vibe from his posting.
Luca- He seems to be solving today. I'm not sure on the actual reasons people are saying they suspect him other than~hand waving~meta.
Who the heck knows:
Anya- lol, I mean whatever. Probably town, but I've got no clue.
AliceK- Really haven't seen any substance here yet.
All the scum are likely in this pile:
innocent villager- Not sure if it's just style clashing here, but I didn't like his waffling on Anya and George yesterday, or his kind of overstating his importance today. IDK. Something about him is just pinging me weird. I could be wrong here though.
Gypyx- Lots of unexplained reads throughout the game, and doesn't seem to have a clear viewpoint on the game. Not looking great. Kind of camped on George without hard pushing it.
Iconeum- Already stated why I think this is scum.YOUR AD HERE
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If Iconeum or Gypyx don't flip scum, I feel like it's almost got to be IV and one of Anya/AliceK.
Norwegian could be wolfing, but that seems like a "break glass" kind of emergency consideration. I think the above breakdown is a pretty solid path to town victory with zero PR help.YOUR AD HERE
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Wait...you think he is lying about killing wooper?In post 2091, Gypyx wrote:+1 Not_Mafia - don't buy the vig claim, but that'll sort itself so it's as a "yeah i'm willing to leave em alone for now" tokenYOUR AD HERE
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lol I have no idea how you came up with this plan to play mafia...but it makes no senseIn post 2127, geraintm wrote:
im just playing the %sIn post 2100, Iconeum wrote:
ur gonna have a bad time if you think that a strong townread has to be correct in their reads just because you think they are townIn post 2085, geraintm wrote:Considering that not-mafia is the one person i am strongly town reading now (due to claim) they would be the person i would be following with their votes, i wish they were being more active.
i said day 1 that my plan was to get to day 2 seen as scum, work out who i beleived was the most towny person around and ensure that there was a 2 person little group of towniness that was around.
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I agree with this take. I didn't see (and don't see) that post as a perspective slip so much as Ico making more excuses why he isn't scum hunting at that point in the day.In post 2133, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Tbh it didn’t really bother me? What bothered me the most was that it seemed like he was just spamming irrelevant content instead of saying things that matter like their reads and why they’ve supposedly been so townie.In post 2102, Luca Blight wrote:Norwegian, can you give me a sanity-check on the above?
It seems weird as fuck to me but maybe I'm missing something hereYOUR AD HERE
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Can you elaborate on this without giving up the game? I'm very confused unless you are like counterclaiming.In post 2141, Gypyx wrote:
i think he's lying about being the vigIn post 2128, VP Baltar wrote:
Wait...you think he is lying about killing wooper?In post 2091, Gypyx wrote:+1 Not_Mafia - don't buy the vig claim, but that'll sort itself so it's as a "yeah i'm willing to leave em alone for now" tokenYOUR AD HERE
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Fwiw, people play against their own meta all the time. This is a bad defense.In post 2143, Gypyx wrote:i also don't think ico doubles down on breaking his meta of not bussing when he did that litterally last scumgame
Second, I am going to take a wild guess that when this game is over and I read the scum PT, I am going to see George Bailey begging to get bussed. That was a terrible D1 as scum and almost certainly had some intentional nose dive in there. If he didn't want to play scum or something, then he would just have his buddies bus him D1 for cred.
If Ico never usually buses, that actually makes more sense why the bus was completely awkward and easy to spot.YOUR AD HERE
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Also, there is the fact NM wasn't the vig target. I mean, if anyone else is the vig and shot wooper over him last night, I'm going to have shit to say post game.In post 2146, Gypyx wrote:i do not claim i am the vig or anything
i just think not_mafia isn't the vig, and i don't get how y'all are just buying it without any second thoughts
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Those reasons being?In post 2152, Gypyx wrote:i could see reasons for a vig to not want to shoot n_m
Also, based on your scum list, your guess at a solve is IV + one of Anya/Alice?YOUR AD HERE
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What are you even talking about? I have a very hard time following what you are saying this game or why you're saying it.In post 2156, geraintm wrote:
a claim is one thing (on day 2) and he may well refuse (if he knows it is in the best intersts of town for today, but i think he gets basically one days grace), but people need to back off him (which i think they are)In post 2130, VP Baltar wrote:I forgot about gypyx's crumb. I may want to force him to claim today.YOUR AD HERE
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I don't think we should run him up just to claim either. But he is firmly in my scum PoE, and getting a claim is an added bonus I may consider vs. yeeting Iconeum today.In post 2162, geraintm wrote:but....i dont feel like they need to claim. they should not be the focus of today's elimination and in my opinion they should not needlessly be run up just to force a claim from them
Look, if you believe that NM is a town vig, it's highly questionable that town has much more power from my perspective.
Vig + doc + roleblocker vs. Goon + Strongman + ???
That doesn't feel too unbalanced to me.YOUR AD HERE
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Right, informed role too!In post 2164, Luca Blight wrote:Not to mention the informed role
That’s a good point actually and supports my theory that gypyx was probably crumbing his scum pr roleYOUR AD HERE
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Pretty sure he was the one I was talking to yesterday who said you had to be crumbing a PR, and said he'd be very suspicious if it turned out to be VT when I mentioned that possibility.In post 2172, Gypyx wrote:
why exactly?In post 2171, VP Baltar wrote:lol can't wait for IV to read this
Maybe it was Geraint? I can't recall now.YOUR AD HERE
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Then it was Geraint. Someone I was having this convo with yesterdayIn post 2178, innocentvillager wrote:
please quote me on this. i did not say this ever.In post 2175, VP Baltar wrote:he'd be very suspicious if it turned out to be VT when I mentioned that possibility.YOUR AD HERE
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Yes, actually this was the exchange I was referring to. (Sorry, half paying attention bc I'm at work)In post 2182, innocentvillager wrote:these were my thoughts on Gypyx's claim. it's possible that he was trying to claim multiple things at once, or for some reason just decided he was going to claim VT today
I thought I remembered you saying you didn't think it'd be VT, but rereading the exchange fully, you didn't quite go that far.
I still think you are giving town points for something that was incredibly convoluted and fakeable to many directions as needed. But you didn't discount that VT could be a possibilityYOUR AD HERE
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The problem is that gypyx could have made up literally any story to any role with such vague clues.In post 2198, innocentvillager wrote:im not saying im right, ive just had it out there and like zero people have actually engaged with it or agreed
To me, it means nothing, and is perhaps even slightly negative? Why crumb VT at all?
Actually: Gypyx, do you crumb your role in every game you play?YOUR AD HERE
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Because if he is forced to claim later and needs to claim a power role, he has a "crumb" that could be made to fit any role he wants.In post 2200, innocentvillager wrote:but, what's his intention when he posts it?
"See guys, told you I was the Town cop!" Or whatever.
I don't even think it was a big brain plan, so much as something the master of crazy roles would cook up on a normal afternoon.
I'm not saying he can't be a VT here...just saying there is definitely motive to do that as scum.YOUR AD HERE
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What made you want to crumb VT? When did you get the idea?In post 2202, Gypyx wrote:but this is my first time crumbing VT, wanted to try something out, hopefully attract scum's attention, that sorta stuffYOUR AD HERE
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Why are you townreading Gypyx?In post 2206, Iconeum wrote:
i have no idea how you are coming to your conclusions this gameIn post 2164, Luca Blight wrote:Not to mention the informed role
That’s a good point actually and supports my theory that gypyx was probably crumbing his scum pr role
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Luca and I have basically already said this. Can I get a full reads list from you and your thoughts on Gypyx's claim?In post 2216, AliceK wrote:Imo 1-2 scums in {gypex, Ico, iv}. Could be that there is a deepwolf somewhere, but that's something to focus in p5/p3YOUR AD HERE
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Why are you not answering my question and only focusing on Luca?
Why are you not trying to convince others Luca is scum beyond "he is attacking me"?
If you're town, you seem like you're just giving up and IDK what I'm supposed to do with that. I don't feel like I'm engaging you in bad faith here.YOUR AD HERE
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You are giving him town cred for it. Not sure why you think that is so crazyIn post 2224, innocentvillager wrote:In post 2201, VP Baltar wrote:
Because if he is forced to claim later and needs to claim a power role, he has a "crumb" that could be made to fit any role he wants.In post 2200, innocentvillager wrote:but, what's his intention when he posts it?
"See guys, told you I was the Town cop!" Or whatever.
I don't even think it was a big brain plan, so much as something the master of crazy roles would cook up on a normal afternoon.
I'm not saying he can't be a VT here...just saying there is definitely motive to do that as scum.
to clarify you are both arguing that, IF HE IS SCUM, he literally crumbed NONSENSE, thinking that he would be able to spin it into any claim he wanted. And that somehow it would get him towncred. That's literally what you're both saying. Is that correct?In post 2204, Luca Blight wrote:The scum benefit to such a crumb is
1) no-one wants to lim you D1 in case you’re a pr
2) you can use it to explain away just about any claim that is convenient in the moment
If gypyx is scum then he’s hardly a power wolf, and so such a gimmick might prove useful to him to at least help him get through the first day
If he’s Town then he might do it to bait the NK I guessYOUR AD HERE
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Are you going to add original thoughts to this game or just do this schtick the whole time?In post 2229, Anya wrote:the mouse dragon wolf awaits his executionYOUR AD HERE
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How will it become more clear specifically?In post 2235, geraintm wrote:
yes, and if they turn out to be scum it will become more and more obvious as the game progresses. there is no need to vote Gypyx todayIn post 2221, Luca Blight wrote:
What?In post 2220, geraintm wrote:sorry for being mostly absent today.
im not voting for gypyx anytime today. they;ll be found out later if it is fake.
Do you realize gypyx claimed vt?YOUR AD HERE
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Lots of pages overnight. That's an improvement at least.
Look, I think Ico and Gypyx are either scum, or being kind of babies about fair questions from Luca. This defense of 'he doesn't want answers' is complete gaslighting. He isn't being unreasonable or even pushing that hard. Gypyx stalling for time basically everytime he gets asked a question bugs the hell out of me. *cough cough* George*cough*
I momentarily considered whether Geraint is getting too much of a free pass here, but I actually came to many of the same wagon conclusions he did in that last post.
I have a very hard time believing there are zero scum in {Ico, gypyx, IV}.
I may be willing to consider making Gypyx and IV the dueling wagons today.
In regards to Alice's progression...from what Ico posted, that doesn't look great. I'd need to ISO alice for full context though. I also think it is worth noting Alice is a noob, and sometimes unexplained progressions happen.YOUR AD HERE
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