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Huh? One of?In post 1669, shiki wrote:
to you it isIn post 1665, VFP wrote:Think of it this way... the scum team is confirmed to me.
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one of {sigmund, dwlee, nero cain}
right? so how does this narrow anything further than it already is,I prefer they, thanks :)-
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What does this even mean? In no way for you is sig mech cleared.In post 1676, VFP wrote:Because Sig is the back up plan.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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I'm not, you're practically scum claiming. Just letting you know you're dumb if you're town.In post 1688, VFP wrote:Why are you treating me as more likely town here than scum?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Nero and you town implies shiki sig rae scum. They're equivalent.In post 1691, VFP wrote:
Isn't the game over anyway if Shiki is scum?In post 1689, Dwlee99 wrote:If Nero is town and you're town game is already over. Shiki has won our hearts and minds.
If Shiki Sig and Rae were the actual scum team, then don't I get limmed regardless?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Nero is this going to come down to who can towntell harder in 2 days?
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Do you think Nero is town?In post 1693, Dwlee99 wrote:Nero and you town implies shiki sig rae scum. They're equivalent.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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I'm cleared to town with a brain I think. I don't kill Gamma I don't kill Anya.
Voting yourself as town in MELO is actually the quintessential game throwing example as town.VFP wrote:
So explain to me how I am game throwing if 2 scum are voting me?In post 1697, Dwlee99 wrote:Nero is this going to come down to who can towntell harder in 2 days?
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Do you think Nero is town?In post 1693, Dwlee99 wrote:Nero and you town implies shiki sig rae scum. They're equivalent.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Buddy, you're two votes from hammer. Even fypov you can't confirm Nero!scum.In post 1702, VFP wrote:Even without a Dwlee vote here, Nero and Rae are confirmed scum to me with no hammer.
As I said, a traitor flip confirms me, regardless how you like to play it, a scum team flip doesn't confirm me.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Anya wanted to kill your slot wtf are you talking about you don't kill Anya.In post 1704, VFP wrote:
Okay? I don't think scum me kills Anya there.In post 1699, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm cleared to town with a brain I think. I don't kill Gamma I don't kill Anya.
What's the argument here?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Trying to figure out if any slot can be confirmed scum fmpov without assuming Shiki town.
This could make sense if it was isolated to just Anya, but I don't kill Gamma there.VFP wrote:
I kill for roles not threat.In post 1709, Dwlee99 wrote:
Anya wanted to kill your slot wtf are you talking about you don't kill Anya.In post 1704, VFP wrote:
Okay? I don't think scum me kills Anya there.In post 1699, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm cleared to town with a brain I think. I don't kill Gamma I don't kill Anya.
What's the argument here?
As I said, what's your argument?
Do you not kill someone because they are town reading you, or do you kill to use the "they wanted you dead" card?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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I miselimed you too here though.
I mean, I remembered the games from back then but probably cause I took a long break.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Seems like maybe I'm just town and you're both scum or dumbIn post 1748, Nero Cain wrote:
I like how we are both accusing each other of theatre with DW.In post 1744, VFP wrote:
Lol @ scum theatreIn post 1742, Nero Cain wrote:lol @ posting a game from 4-5 years ago.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Okay so here's what I think:
If Rae is evil and Sigmund is good, Rae claims a guilty on Sigmund because Sig is an obvious check and also scummy as fuck. Gg scum win etc. That means if Rae is evil, it has to be with Sigmund imo. Assuming VFP town (so no bussing), Nero is confirmed scum because otherwise two scum (sig + shiki?) could log on and hammer this. Okay, so assuming Rae is evil I think that Nero and Sig have to be evil as well.
If Rae is good, then the team is VFP + two of {Nero, Sig, Shiki}. Now the question is if we discard the Shiki slot from the list. If we do then Nero + Sig are still scum regardless of Rae's alignment. If we don't, then it is possible that one of them isn't and Shiki is evil but I think at this point a lot of us are trusting the game on Shiki not tricking us.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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VFP the only thing that could convince me you're good is if you can convince me that the novice macho cop would make this game unbalanced. I'm trying to find all the 12p games and look at how they've been balanced but I don't know how to find them.
I'm also trying to figure out if killing outside of the guilty 1v1 could work.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Why do you think Rae has to check Nero?In post 1770, VFP wrote:The more results the muddier it can get on questions.
Scum want to give as little as possible.
Ask yourself, why did Rae not check Nero?
I don't remember.In post 1771, VFP wrote:I havent finished reading yet, but is Shiki a scum read to Rae day 1?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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What do you mean?In post 1779, Rae wrote:all this stupid shit about who's confirmed who is nonsense as well. the only person confirmed is vfp and then you go off that for the rest of the game.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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I still don't understand how this relates to the "who's confirmed is nonsense" take. The confirmed things are only from certain people's perspectives assuming they are town. Is your point that none of it matters because VFP flips scum here anyway?In post 1781, Rae wrote:despite me being all rah rah about the lack of hammer telling you that's overzealous of me. it should be the same for anyone else. i want to believe that scum will try to save vfp no matter what and the details shouldn't be put into it. i am also not going to play these ridiculous headgames. scum self-vote to appeal all the fucking time.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Here is VFP doing the same thing in a different mini as scum. Shiki I'm now pretending you're an IC. Rae check someone in {me, Nero, Sigmund} doctors both protect Shiki I think.In post 1643, VFP wrote:I just saw the FN claim.
I think this game is solved then.
Lim me.
Lim in the masons
If fake lim the other Mason, if real, it's just Dunn and Egix.
Both pairs have credit to lie on the roles.
Masons were just caught if scum
Egix is the lim if claiming VT.
Do it in that order as town won't have FN's and Masons
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UNVOTE:In post 1804, shiki wrote:wait unvote need to think about no elimination againI prefer they, thanks :)-
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If we are going to eliminate VFP we should do it before no eliminating in case VFP is a role that can counter a cop. If you want to throw Rae off a roof then my only reason for not no eliminating is that we keep two confirmed town voices in the game in T3 and Johnny (if they're here)I prefer they, thanks :)-
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I think we have a better chance of winning if we kill VFP today for a variety of percent reasons. I think regardless of what happens we should just kill VFP -> Nero -> Sigmund in that order anyway.In post 1822, shiki wrote:
you think there's a higher chance of vfp being a roleblocker than of the mafia killing rae if vfp is eliminated and flips mafia today?In post 1821, Dwlee99 wrote:I think we have a better chance of Rae getting as check off if we kill VFP first because VFP could have a way to block Rae's action from going through.
that doesn't seem right to meI prefer they, thanks :)-
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If VFP is town I'm town. What nefarious purpose do you think I could have for wanting this flip first?In post 1826, shiki wrote:
i dunno, kinda feels like you do not want a no elimination for nefarious reasonsIn post 1823, Dwlee99 wrote:I think we have a better chance of winning if we kill VFP today for a variety of percent reasons.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Rae could just be night killed in the situation where we know we are eliminating VFP after a no elimination anyway. Then scum get to kill Rae and a mason.In post 1832, shiki wrote:
explain why rae doesn't get nightkilled in this situationIn post 1830, Dwlee99 wrote:If VFP is mafia and we eliminate, Rae checks in {Dwlee, Nero, Sigmund} and if no roleblocker the game is solved?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Er right it is still down to one of three. I would like having a confirmed town in the game personally but I see your point now.In post 1836, shiki wrote:
right but then we know for sure that vfp is mafiaIn post 1833, Dwlee99 wrote:Rae could just be night killed in the situation where we know we are eliminating VFP after a no elimination anyway. Then scum get to kill Rae and a mason.
like town doesn't win by any more by keeping an extra town alive, i don't understandI prefer they, thanks :)-
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